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Re: DADT: Can You Compare The Fight for LGBT Rights to the Civil Rights Movement?

whiterosebuddy — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 01:46:41 -0000

exactly.

Re: DADT: Can You Compare The Fight for LGBT Rights to the Civil Rights Movement?

whiterosebuddy — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:35:19 -0000

"Ah, but the fatal flaw in your argument is this: states that discriminate against same-sex marriage are not discriminating against behaviors, they're discriminating against a classification of people."

I disagree. Who you choose based on gender does not qualify as a 'classification of people" it qualifies as a classification of behavior.

"For example, a same-sex couple cannot obtain a marriage license in California if they promise to stop engaging in homosexual behavior"

Correct, but engaging in a specific behavior does not constitute an identity nor classification of person. Rather, it is a behavior,specifically a sexual behavior, that is not being condoned by the state.

"therefore, the law discriminates against the individual for who they are, not for what they do."

No the law is not discriminating against the individual. The law is discriminating against condoning specific behaviors by the individual. No different than it would if it was incest, molestation or rape. It is not the individual it is the behavior they are choosing to engage in. All of those individuals can get married. The incest/rape individual simply cannot marry the person they choose to engage in deviant sexual acts with. That individual can still marry they simply cannot marry an individual that the state is sanctioning their deviant sexual behavior. Therefore the stat is not discriminating against WHO they are but rather about WHAT they do. i.e. behavior.

"But you raise an interesting issue as to what it means to genuinely be Gay"

Um, no. I am not questioning what it means to be gay at all. I am simply saying they are human beings who choose as individuals to engage in sexual acts that the state has no reason to sanction. Whether a person ceases to engage (celibacy) or not does not determine the reason for not sanctioning their sexual activity. It is that the sexual activity, just like lewd and disorderly conduct are not sanctioned for ANY individual.

"The behavior of a Gay or Lesbian individual is merely one aspect of what makes them Gay or Lesbian."

I agree, and that in and of itself, is the basis of the individual not being able to claim their sexual behavior as an identity. No more so that a robber, rapist, or pedophile can claim their activity as an 'identity' it is simply something they DO not who they ARE. All of them are human beings with rights and privileges independent of their actions. Their behaviors do not entitled them to some special class of people, it is merely what they do. The law treats them as individuals whose behavior is unacceptable.

The flaw in your logic is that individuals do not claim that robbing banks or prostituting is an 'identity'. Rather it is something they DO. So whether you are hetero/homosexual engaging in that behavior entitles you to no special rights under the law, you are treated as an individual without regard to your proclivities that violate the law.

"because being a heterosexual person is not defined by our behavior alone."

Precisely. Being hetero does not entitle you to special privileges and neither does being homosexual. We are all human beings who CHOOSE to ACT based on free will and we bear the consequences of those actions. We can not carve out special rights based on behaviors for some folks. And traditionally and historically society has in fact agreed that certain behaviors simple will not be tolerated nor accepted.

Re: DADT: Can You Compare The Fight for LGBT Rights to the Civil Rights Movement?

whiterosebuddy — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:29:09 -0000

I completely agree.

Point of fact there is simply not one civil rights that individuals who engage in homosexual acts do not have. They engage their sexual proclivities in their homes and are not prosecuted for such. The federal law protects them from discrimination in employment, housing and education just as it does heterosexuals.

The incessant whinning about some non-existent discrimination is just nauseating and completely unfounded. Particularly, when homosexuals are some of the biggest racial bigots as demonstrated when folks go to restaurants, bars, clubs that are frequented by primarily homosexuals.

It is just a huge narcissitic self-centered suckfest where individuals want special rights based on what they do with their genitalia.

Re: DADT: Can You Compare The Fight for LGBT Rights to the Civil Rights Movement?

whiterosebuddy — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:24:14 -0000

"You say its the behavior that you don't approve of, what separates you from a Klansman who says the same thing about African-Americans. "

For someone who chooses to use the word ignorance you repeatedly demonstrate a paucity of knowledge by conflating race with behavior.

Race is not a behavior.

Individuals choose their lifestyle no one chooses race.

Re: DADT: Can You Compare The Fight for LGBT Rights to the Civil Rights Movement?

whiterosebuddy — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:21:49 -0000

Friends and relatives that are drunks and drug addicts engage in behaviors that are simply not tolerated as well. Everyone has the right to decide what behaviors they will condone or accept, independent of the relationship you may have with that person. As you full well know every mother loves her child still even if they are a homocidial maniac, however that does not mean the person will be accepted and tolerated at family events.

Each individual chooses their burdens. If you make a choice to imbibe drugs or rob a bank or rape or molest people then you will be held accountable for the choices. It is no different if you choose to engage in a sexually deviant act.

A drug addict engages in deviant addictive behavior..a homosexual engages in deviant sexual behavior.

If you can't comprehend that doesn't mean it is BS, just means you have poor comprehension.

Re: DADT: Can You Compare The Fight for LGBT Rights to the Civil Rights Movement?

whiterosebuddy — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:15:53 -0000

"That statement is inaccurate because of your need to separate the lgbt identity and the African-American identity"

It is indicative of gross ignorance to suggest, imply or infer..that the gender of a sexual partner is in anyway an identity. Sexual proclivities are not an identity. They are simply deviant sexual practices which 98% of the population does not engage in. Not an identity whatsoever.

As GoreVidal said..there is no such thing as a homosexual,there are only individuals who engage in homosexual acts.

Moreover, the sexual habits of Bayard and Jordan were not their identities either.

Re: DADT: Can You Compare The Fight for LGBT Rights to the Civil Rights Movement?

whiterosebuddy — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:12:32 -0000

thxs..my oversight

Re: DADT: Can You Compare The Fight for LGBT Rights to the Civil Rights Movement?

whiterosebuddy — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:12:10 -0000

No.
It is very logical. We as individuals and as a society decide which behaviors are acceptable/tolerable and/or legal. Note, prostitution, lewd drunken behavior, incest, robbery, murder...are all unacceptable behaviors that society neither condones or accepts. In fact, they are viewed as so intolerable that they are in fact, illegal.

It is very logical. Society has always 'discriminated' against behaviors not conducive to what is deemed a civil society.

Perhaps you do not understand that logic, but anyone who has ever been assaulted, robbed or murdered gets it.

Society even has laws against jay walking...as well as disorderly conduct..all of these laws are about behaviors.

No one thinks making any of these behaviors illegal is discriminatory.

If they did, drunk drivers and prostitutes and drug addicts would be able to inflict their proclivities on society in general.

But alas, it is not tolerated...nor does society have to tolerate sexual behaviors.

Nothing discriminatory about that ...you are free to do as you choose in the privacy of your own home.

Keep it behind close doors and you can engage in any illicit behavior whether it is lewd, crude and socially unacceptable to the rest of the world.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread

whiterosebuddy — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:50:52 -0000

Hey Val!!

Wassup!!

Re: DADT: Can You Compare The Fight for LGBT Rights to the Civil Rights Movement?

whiterosebuddy — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:46:43 -0000

"As an lgbt of color I have to say from the heart"

Jill
Thanks for letting us know your personal bias as a member of the LBGT community.

Re: DADT: Can You Compare The Fight for LGBT Rights to the Civil Rights Movement?

whiterosebuddy — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:44:57 -0000

Love your commentary. Harvey Milk was a human being. Independent of his sexual preference in partner. That is what is missed. Most of us accept that individuals get to have their choice of gender in partner..what we don't accept is that we have to tolerate or support that choice. No different that a drunk or drug addict..they get to have their drug of choice..but WE do not have to accept the BEHAVIOR that comes with it as acceptable nor do we have to tolerate it. That drunk or drug addict can do whatever they choose but don't mean society has to say that being intoxicated or stoned is acceptable. Puhleeeeeze!!

Re: DADT: Can You Compare The Fight for LGBT Rights to the Civil Rights Movement?

whiterosebuddy — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:41:57 -0000

Tell it!! Even if they did go through all that the civil rights leaders did ..don't mean it should be accepted nor tolerated. Right is right, even when no one is doing it and wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.

Re: DADT: Can You Compare The Fight for LGBT Rights to the Civil Rights Movement?

whiterosebuddy — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:38:20 -0000

"There are still too many differences between (A) Race and (B) Human Sexuality"

hmmmm, yes! Race is immutable as defined in America..sexuality is not. Sexuality is a behavior in terms of preference of gender of your partner. Behavior is not immutable.

"don't think that the Gay struggle should be compared to the Black struggle because it doesn't need to be in order to be victorious"

victorious? um no. Behaviors are either accepted/tolerated or not and their is nothing discriminatory about that. every individual chooses what they will accept/tolerate when it comes to behavior.

Re: Thursday Open Thread

whiterosebuddy — Thu, 02 Dec 2010 14:09:15 -0000

"The antipathy which many of these leaders feel for Iran has long been well known. But so has their reluctance to do anything about it. And so have the internal divisions within Arab governments and Gulf ruling families, and their deep fears of either Iranian retaliation or popular upheaval, and their bottomless hunger for U.S. weapons systems, and their hopes that the U.S. would magically solve their problems for them, and the disconnect between the palaces and the public. "

What this makes absolutely clear is that American lives have been traded as the cost for OIL. American petroleum mfgrs have supported endless war in the MiddleEast for oil profits and access. That is the message Americans should be hearing. The Saudi's are fine with giving us oil as long as we fight the MiddleEast wars.

What a travesty.

Re: Afternoon Open Thread

whiterosebuddy — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:04:35 -0000

Wow. Just Wow.

Jourdon sho was no dummy.

Re: Monday Open Thread

whiterosebuddy — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:21:59 -0000

The GOP is batshytcrazy...and they are going to reap what they sow...they created this demented angry masses and it is going to bite them hard in the ass.

Re: Monday Open Thread

whiterosebuddy — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:18:09 -0000

"Does not matter - the Democrats owned congress and the white house. "

It mattered a great deal. Individuals incapable of critical thinking are the only ones who believe it did not matter.i.e. simplistic minds

I repeat, the bills reported out of committee are not indicative of a party-line vote.

Re: Monday Open Thread

whiterosebuddy — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 14:30:45 -0000

"remember that the Democrats had supermajorities in congress and owned the White House. "

Congress is not run by in that manner. The majority only determines who gets chairmanships and what issues are brought up for votes. It does not decide what gets voted for based on party line.

geez.

Re: Monday Open Thread

whiterosebuddy — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 14:16:51 -0000

So when you cheer against America and claim it is a bully state, does that mean you are a patriot or does it mean you are not even a citizen?

Politicians are essential to progress when it comes to foreign diplomacy...they may not always get it right,but history attests to the fact that political astuteness is necessary for all of the global powers to co-exist peacefully otherwise there is endless war.

So just how is it that you believe wikileaks has aided in the quest for world peace?

Re: Monday Open Thread

whiterosebuddy — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:41:49 -0000

Being hammered on the economy for policies your administration enacted or supported is just.

Actively, seeking to destroy the economy just for political gain to blame an opponent is not just!

IOW's people who come up with lame policies and take actions to undermine the economy deserve to be voted out of office.

It is simply outrageous to vote against someone who is trying to improve the economy but is being undermined by his political opponents, the very political opponents who created the phucked up economy to begin with!!

Re: Afternoon Open Thread

whiterosebuddy — Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:43:44 -0000

"John Lewis, Maya Angelou Win Medals of Freedom"

Win? how so? who were their competitors in the race...I think EARNED fits more appropriately here than win.

Re: Afternoon Open Thread

whiterosebuddy — Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:40:44 -0000

HUH? puhleeeze. Just got one question regarding your admiration for his 'blue collar' success. Who does he support now? Is he championing the 'blue collar' folks?

Or is he so busy reveling in having made it out that hob nobbing with the upper class has given him amnesia about where he came from.

Just askin/

and wonderin

based on his vote if you truly know the differnece....or are u so impressed by his beginnings that you overlook who he votes for?

Just wonderin.

Re: Afternoon Open Thread

whiterosebuddy — Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:36:33 -0000

ICAM!! Howard is a good actor!! I think he will portray Mandela WELL.

Re: Afternoon Open Thread

whiterosebuddy — Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:31:34 -0000

"Jane Hamsher was interviewed on Morning Joe about what POTUS needs to do; I didn't click. I've had a good week; why piss myself off? "

I HEAR that!!...this is where I am...done turnied them suckas off...cuz they piss me off with their BS!

Re: Afternoon Open Thread

whiterosebuddy — Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:27:58 -0000

Tutu....Moore....... can KMA!!