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Re: Quick Poll : Florida Revival : Todd Bentley

r180 — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:56:55 -0000

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Re: Organic Church Movement

NathanCarlson — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:24:04 -0000

There is a difference between the church militant (church in the world) and a militant church. It is impossible to use hate, anger, or fear to win people to an authentic relationship with Christ. Rather, we must love them into it. We are at war against sin, powers, and principalities, we are not at war with those who live at the ends of the earth. I understand what you are saying in regard to what the church "looks like" to you, but using military language is always dangerous in a conversation including those from outside the church and, in my opinion, should only be used in conversations within the community of faith in calling the faithful to action in the world (i.e. and internal conversation for edification or clarification).

Re: Quick Poll : Florida Revival : Todd Bentley

r180 — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:55:33 -0000

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Re: Quick Poll : Florida Revival : Todd Bentley

r180 — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:23:55 -0000

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Re: Rick Joyner : Lee Grady : Todd Bentley Divorce : Charisma Article

r180 — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:41:58 -0000

Rick did address something very important. We don't have the right to haphazardly announce our negative critiques of another person. There is appropriate biblical protocol for that, appropriate authority structures to consider. For me to rip at someone whom I have no direct relationship is irresponsible.

Now, does Todd's authority have a right and responsibility to bring correction? Yes. Without question. However, though we may have concerns, the rest of us must humbly pray and intercede and serve the process of healing and restoration. To do so doesn't condone sin, but rather, it ministers to the one who fell into sin.

The letter you read from Rick was supposed to be private, between him and Lee... but, for some reason, Lee took the liberty to share it publicly.

Re: The House Church Movement : Healthy? Unhealthy?

r180 — Sat, 06 Jun 2009 13:10:36 -0000

A key reason I wrote the book was to dispel the wrong idea that you mention. "What if God tells me to leave and my pastor tells me to stay?"

It's a trust issue. Do we trust God, who established all authority, to work it all out? Or must we take matters into our own hands, violate God's protocol and refuse to submit?

If we only submit to the point where we don't want to submit it's not submission at all.

I'd encourage you to read the book and let me know what you think.

Re: Mobile Podcast

r180 — Tue, 19 May 2009 11:25:59 -0000

Ha! It was a goose!
We can definitely get together for dinner... when? Come on over here, we want to try out our new, huge dining room table!!

Re: Home business : stay at home : ministry support

r180 — Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:56:32 -0000

Hi Harry!
Thanks so much for your thoughts and concerns. I really appreciate it! Amy and I have had similar thoughts and have been very careful to pick the home businesses that support our ministry. For example, another home business that I have is web and graphic design, and Amy has had an ebay business that has helped support our ministry.

When we were directing the internship at IHOP, we'd do a track on finances and support raising. We encouraged everybody to get into prayer and seek the Lord regarding multiple streams of income. Some would work a part-time job and have an ebay business and rent out a room of their house, for example. Others had a home business and owned some real estate. Still others had internet businesses while also consulting and training in their area of expertise. The rest of the time they were free to be in the prayer room, minister, etc.

God will bring the necessary resources as we step according to his plans. We feel very much at peace about stepping out. But, certainly keep us in prayer! We'll need it!

Re: An important letter from Dutch Sheets : Todd Bentley : Divorce : Marriage : Revival : Lakeland

r180 — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:54:10 -0000

I think a lot of people tend to get too nervous (which is different than cautious) regarding moves of God, who he uses, how it unfolds, etc. The approach I take is to simply watch, enjoy, allow the Holy Spirit to work through it and discern for me personally what part of it, if any, I should grab hold of. If I feel something is off, I don't receive that, and if something is on, I do receive that.

If something is clearly heretical, which means a teaching violates an absolute of scripture, and the person teaching it would easily be identified as a non-Christian, then certainly share, with a humble heart and also with prophetic boldness, that it's heresy.

However, if the perceived wrong teaching doesn't threaten the absolutes, then take a breath and relax, pray and trust that God can use people with different theological perspectives than our own.

Always pray, intercede for the person, lift them up, speak well of them. The other issues that we need to be cautious of are clear immorality and clear financial indescretion. Then, if there are issues, that person's overseers are the only ones with the biblical authority to bring discipline.

I watch teachers and ministers from a variety of Christian camps. I certainly don't agree with 100% of them, and there is nobody I agree with 100% of the time. But, I just receive the blessing of the parts that truly impact me.

Re: A suspicious spirit : Heresy hunters : A critical discussion : Todd Bentley : Rick Joyner : Gossip : Slander

r180 — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:15:08 -0000

How in the world can you know the condition of another person's heart? You are handling this with a vendetta, with anger... I don't sense love for Todd at all in your post.

You should notice that Todd has been judged. Now, what would you propose? Abandon him? Hate him?

To presume you, of all the billions of people on the earth, have the insight necessary and the authority necessary to deem absolutely that Todd Bentley is unsaved is arrogant and simply silly.

It's almost like you want him to be hurt! You want him slandered. Why? That's not at all Christ-like.

Re: A suspicious spirit : Heresy hunters : A critical discussion : Todd Bentley : Rick Joyner : Gossip : Slander

joelstephan — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:44:57 -0000

That line 'Todd is repentant' just struck me.

You're right. He's taking full responsibility for his actions, and not trying to justify them. He's not making documentaries justifying or blaming others about why he fell. He's seeking Godly counsel and seems to be genuinely repentant.

Wow... light bulb moment.

John, thanks for what you do here. I'm going to give him all the grace I can muster up!

Re: A suspicious spirit : Heresy hunters : A critical discussion : Todd Bentley : Rick Joyner : Gossip : Slander

r180 — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:59:22 -0000

Yep, good catch. Thanks... it's fixed now.

Re: A suspicious spirit : Heresy hunters : A critical discussion : Todd Bentley : Rick Joyner : Gossip : Slander

r180 — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:48:30 -0000

Of course, we are to judge. I agree... but, not as rogue abusers of God's people. We must understand protocol, process, who's the appropriate person to bring the judgment, etc.

We must remember- Todd is repentant! Judgment by man is over. Done. Why would anybody want to do more damage? It's a demonic strategy. People love doctrine more than people, and it is showing now more than ever. It's not either/or, it's both/and. If we apply biblical doctrine to issues like this, the result will be zealous love!

Remember, I agreed with you that church discipline must be embraced. But, the scriptures you are referring to have to do with the unrepentant. Todd Bentley is your brother, you must love him, serve him and embrace him! Not expel him! My goodness!!

Re: A suspicious spirit : Heresy hunters : A critical discussion : Todd Bentley : Rick Joyner : Gossip : Slander

r180 — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:17:19 -0000

I agree the rapid remarriage may not have been appriopriate... but, it's not my place to figure all of that out for Todd. I don't know him. I'm sure there's a lot of details I'm not privileged to.

Re: A serious obstacle to revival : in Detroit, teaching on this tonight at 7pm : International House of Prayer East Detroit : blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

r180 — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:57:16 -0000

Yep, I'll be at IHOPE next Friday and at Bethel a week from tomorrow.

Re: Amazon Kindle and iPhone : 20 Elements of Revival : Michigan this Friday and next

ryantrax — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:30:02 -0000

Cool, thanks I'll get it.

Re: Amazon Kindle and iPhone : 20 Elements of Revival : Michigan this Friday and next

r180 — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:23:45 -0000

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Re: The crisis in the church- it’s way more serious than we think : Hell, salvation and intimacy

r180 — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:16:51 -0000

I just had to ban my first commenter... ever! I thought I'd let you know why, so we can be sure to understand the (very liberal) guidelines on this blog.

From time to time I'll run across someone who over values his or her own opinion so much that he or she devalues other people's opinions- and as a result, devalues other people (Christian people!). Not only is this an immature and insensitive way to discuss issues, it can be quite arrogant.

It's great to be zealous, firm, bold, passionate and confident as we discuss our insights on biblical topics, but we also have to admit that different streams within the body of Christ interprets certain parts of scripture slightly differently.

We must always be unmovable when it comes to the absolutes of scripture, but the many non-absolutes must be open for discussion.

There's a huge difference between saying, "You are in error." and, "In my opinion I feel you may be in error."

See the difference?

Re: The crisis in the church- it’s way more serious than we think : Hell, salvation and intimacy

r180 — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:37:27 -0000

Do you agree that you might be wrong? Is it possible that others might be right?

Re: The crisis in the church- it’s way more serious than we think : Hell, salvation and intimacy

r180 — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:27:06 -0000

The point is this- respect.

It's one thing to say, "I humbly feel you might be in error."
But it's inappropriate to say, "You are in error... because I say so."

The exception would be the absolutes of scripture. We must be firm regarding the absolutes. The absolutes are the core Christian tenants. Jesus died on the cross, rose from the dead, etc.

However, you are addressing non-absolutes that people simply have differing views on.

Re: The crisis in the church- it’s way more serious than we think : Hell, salvation and intimacy

r180 — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:34:49 -0000

You need to change your approach if you want to be heard. It's ok to hold to an opinion, but to presume to have the right to make the final call on what is and is not error is inappropriate.

Surely you agree that Christians hold to different view, do you not?

The reason I deleted your comment is because of this issue. I'm fine with differing views, and I'm even fine with being zealous and passionate about our views... but, it's not ok to accuse or presume you have the right to be the final authority for somebody else on scriptural issues, specifically on the non-absolutes.

Re: The crisis in the church- it’s way more serious than we think : Hell, salvation and intimacy

harry — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:37:33 -0000

Michael...........What does I never knew you mean ? In the greek ???? I believe you are missing what this call to the church is about ! It was a wonderful comment though !

Re: The crisis in the church- it’s way more serious than we think : Hell, salvation and intimacy

r180 — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:55:14 -0000

I'd actually argue it's the polar opposite of legalism. The desire for God, to be with him, to receive him, etc. is to pray. I'm not talking shooting up requests, or 'saying our prayers'. I'm talking a back and forth, vital, active, powerful, consuming encounter with God.

The simple way to say it is: The issue of prayer is a barometer. To lack desire to have relationship with God is an indicator of an at risk position in Christ.

As we are zealously in love with God and receive him, his forgiveness, his life... then all is very well. However, if we don't receive God's forgiveness and his love, then all is most certainly not ok at all.

We are to love him with every part of us... Can you imagine anybody loving someone and not spending a lot of time with them? It makes no sense. That's really the point. If we receive God's tangible love, we will desire to spend time with him.

That doesn't mean it's always 'a high'... it's not always easy... but our love continually provokes us to seek his face.

Re: Restoration of Apostles and Prophets : TONIGHT- live video broadcast on this topic!

r180 — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:25:50 -0000

Hi!
Amy and I are praying, and stepping... making plans, but remaining flexible.
Right now, we're planning on launching two ministries, one in Detroit and one in Manitou or Colorado Springs, and we hope to be in the Springs in late May.

Element Church would be a ministry of RHOP. The idea is based on my book 20 Elements of Revival, and also the blueprint vision I received several years ago. The main foundation of night and day prayer is RHOP, and from that various departments of the city church will emerge. Element would be one of those departments. (That's one reason I like 'element'... it's a part of the grand experiment)

RHOP and Element would share the same building in the foreseeable future, unless something dramatic happens (like a lot of money showing up!)

The plan is for Element to be an Acts 2, revival/prophecy/prayer fueled church experience. It would meet on Sundays, but that would be just a part of the entire picture. The primary activity of everybody involved will always be prayer.

I'll be the director/leader of the ministry, and will be the primary teacher/vision caster when I'm in town. However, services will be very dynamic and flexible... we'll impart and pray as the thrust of what we do on Sundays... teaching will happen, but just as a part of the whole.

I've heard of Burn, but don't know precisely what their format is.
We'll not land on a single model, but will be prophecy heavy... meaning, we'll go from season to season as the Lord leads.

So, I fully expect 24/7 prayer to happen at some point, though in the early stages we'll focus primarily on developing the team, casting the vision, imparting the core values, etc.

Re: Deception in the Church : Strange Fire in the House of the Lord : Colorado Springs church plant

Tony Davis — Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:13:38 -0000

Dear ones we must be ever mindful of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, I have never heard Mr. Bentley preach or teach so I will not accuse one I've never heard or seen. But I do know the word of God clearly teaches in the last days, "even the most learned will be deceived" meaning if any believer believes he/she cannot be deceived then your deceived already (I do not mean this harshly its just fact) the Apostle Paul speaks about this kind of attitude in his ltr to the Galatians 5th or 6th chapter. So we must be ever deligent Ephesians speaks about false teachers' and pastors' parading around as "light" basically if Satan parades around like an "angel of light" then why not his servants? No we must not be critical when God is doing a "new thing" but it will not be outside of his written word. The Lord himself said, "there will be many who come in my name, saying they are Christ, saying I am here and there don't not follow them for I am none of those places." I am reminded of a verse of scripture in the bk of Isaiah, w/God speaking saying, "the reason that the false prophets are flurshing is because you want it so" and of course Paul saying, "the people will heap up for themselves pastors' and teachers' itching there ears" notice in both verses of scripture "what we wanted or what we wanted to receive." So this is not a time for us not to be mindful remember the verse " a workman not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" or "silly laden women (and men) ever learning but never coming into the knowledge of the truth." Or you could say, "ever seeing and not seeing, ever hearing and not hearing (this can be true in both the positive and negative)" I think this is true of the children of Israel when requesting and wanting a king like the nations around (did they not see the wickedness of the nations around them, but even in the midst of seeing they refused to see and hear and said, "nay we will still have a king of our own flesh and blood."). And as far the verses used from Zechariah 5:9-10 I do not believe these women are angels, but are symbols of the wicked condition of the nation and that God will do away w/all evil in the future and yes Paul does speak of not getting ourselves caught up in things that have no relevance at all, but accomplish only to separate and cause schism in the family of God. And thus in my opinion there is nothing in scripture indicating female angels perhaps this "Emma" spoken of by Mr. Bentley is more symbolic than an angel just as the whore of babylon is symbolic of the world system which I believe these (2) women characterize in the bk of Zechariah. The Lord does not want us getting caught up in every strange wind and doctrine, because when the ultimate False Prophet comes on the scene he to will be duplicating the miracles performed by the prophets Moses and Elijah remember the prophets are subject to the prophets and we know one of the symbols of a prophet is an eagle which symbolizes both true and false. If you all would allow me a comical or nostalgic moment, I'm reminded of the end portion of the movie Star Wars epidode II: Attack of the Clones, when Master Obi Wan said, "if it hadn't been for the clones we would've won the victory, then Master Yoda said, "victory you say Master Obi Wan, not victory the shroud of the dark side has fallen, behold the clone wars begin" (excuse me I'm a star wars fan (smile)). But notice was not Master Obi Wan a learned man, but he was deceived as was the prophet spoken of in the bk of Kings who was directed by God not to tarry, but was deceived by another prophet and because of his blindness and disobedience was struck down by God sending a lion to kill him. So friends know the word of God for yourselves for we are required to do so and know that those who are our leaders' are just as capable of a lack of discernment for the word of God says so.