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Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:25:55 -0000

Hello to all you stalwarts out there - keeping the faith for truth and justice for Maddie.

I have had lots to distract me and nothing much to say on the case so i haven't been on here for a while. It appears to be slightly less easy to access newest comments - took me about 5 minutes to get my head around the new settings - but here I am.

I too have been saddened by the wierd 'emmerging news' that Maddie was actually ordered by a ring and I can't say that I have any faith in the 'evidence'of this coming so late in the day. Also saddened by the apparent winding down of the whole affair as this is what I dreaded from a few months after the sorry event when it became obvious that there was both more and less to this than we all knew.

I think my end theory will be this: I do believe that the whole 'Abducticator' image and timeline drawn up by T9 was a load of rubbish and simply a good old fashioned smokescreen for the fact that they all knew that thay did not behave as they should have that night. I do not in the end believe that Maddie's parents or any other members of the group killed Maddie - but they were all party to negligence in her care to varying degrees as ALL were aware of and involved in the arrangements that had been made that night for ALL of children - this could have happened to another child - but I believe Maddie woke up and went looking for her Mum and Dad and wandered and was found by an opportunist. I might also be persuded that a predatory pedo watched the family looking for obvious opportunities and found one.

We will never know - least not for the forseeable future - frustrating and sad for all concerned particularly her family - who will never know.

Love and peace as always,
Liz x :)

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:31:11 -0000

OMG - I leave you for a few weeks to return to find you more or less exactly so... Lovely rants from all and I might add my own soon enough.

The reason for my absense is two-fold - family stuff to deal with but more importantly - I've fallen in LUrrrve!! So apologies for not being involved in recent discussions - but life interrupts :) in a nice way.

Back on track. I still feel the media reporting is pretty dire and swayed - nothing new there and the Shannon Matthews story does nothing to assist (trust bloody Dewsbury resi's to screw it up!). I feel my worst fears are materialising i.e. that this is becoming a non-story... it may be years before the truth outs but in any case the McCanns are and will be legends in their own supper time.

I'm not pulling my soapbox out on this occasion to rant about the whole media circus and BBC reporting in particular - I'm still waiting on what's s'posed to happen in July!?!

Glad to see you're all keeping the coals burning.
Love and peace as always,
Liz

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Thu, 29 May 2008 17:31:37 -0000

Lynn,

I appreciate your views entirely and understand exactly where you are coming from however I still want them all (named as the Tapas lot) to follow the procedures of the laws in Portugal as requested by the authorities there. How dare they challenge this? I noticed that Scarlet's Mother did just that with the Goan authorities, not sure at this moment what's become of her since then in terms of any charges, but i do believe she's back in this country caring for the rest of her children.

It does not necessarily follow that by attending and contributing to the reconstruction Kate and Gerry would face charges and become incarcerated and be therefore removed as primary carers for their remaining children, I still insist that due process should be observed. And exactly how are they to continue to convince the world receiving their 'amber alert' and associated child protection initiatives when they themselves refuse to comply with perfectly just requests at truth seeking into the disappearence of their own daughter.

By the way I don't think anyone was suggesting that you are here to be abused or that you are actually xenophobic as things get mis-read in translation via this medium - so please don't take it to heart, I certainly really look forward to your honest contributions as I'm sure all the regular contributors to this forum do.

Peace and love as always,
Liz

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Fri, 23 May 2008 14:55:07 -0000

Hi everyone, sorry I haven't been contributing lately but I've been working away a lot lately.

I've read all the recent posts with interest and given the current situation re: reconstruction some thought.

I agree wholeheartedly with your views Lynn regarding the fact that this won't help bring Madeleine back and that there are potential negatives for the twins in their parents involvement in the reconstruction. Nethertheless I believe that due judicial process should be adhered to - and they have been officially and formally requested to participate in a reconstruction on location - therefore they MUST comply.
On the moral front: they agreed to assist the PJ in any way possible, they swore to those giving donations to their fund to stop at nothing in bringing about 'justice for Madeleine', they also stated publicly and in TV documentaries that they stood by their version of events and looked forward to being cleared on this basis. Therefore they don't have a moral leg to stand on (so to speak) in not complying with the PJ.
On the question of the twins I've noticed with great interest the McCann's further globetrotting re: The Amber Alert business - where were the twins then? What I'm trying to suggest is that the twins lives have already been changed and are currently being changed by everything else that their parents do.
As for whether the parents will be charged with neglect and locked up and how that will affect the twins - I have not a lot to say (bearing all that I've already said in mind). The next stage of this process IS for Kate and Gerry and the rest to participate in the reconstruction and what will be will be. Obviously it would be in no-ones best interest for the parents to end up in prison for long past neglect thus adding further familial injury on top of heartache already being dealt with - so if this is ALL that they are found guilty of then I truly DO NOT beleive this will happen - and if it does and I truly believe that they are guilty ONLY of past neglect, then I will publicly back campaigns for their release, but I do not believe that is what is going to happen AT ALL.

From my perspective the law/legal system of the land must be processed - whomever the persons involved and whatever the outcome.

Liz

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Sun, 11 May 2008 18:03:08 -0000

Yes - I'm still here but have been preoccupied with domestics and work. Also I made a promise to myself to give less time to this as I have so many things on - but still very concerned and keen to see it out until some sort of resolution for Madeleine and me if I'm honest!

All that time ago if you remember we went through this in detail and came to the same conclusions a) that you could NOT see the patio doors from the Tapas Bar - all you could in fact see was the top half of the apartment, b) that the timelines given did not support an ample opportunity for an abductor without incredible speed, stealth and prior knowledge of both his quarry and layout of the apartment and c) that all of the evidence the T9 themselves gave actually wieghted against the abduction theory.

What is new however is that the journalism is more circumspect - at last! This is a very interesting turn of events as regards the tabloids, I'll have to catch up with the broadsheets and see their angle!

Liz

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Sat, 03 May 2008 20:22:42 -0000

I can't beleive it's been a year. We are still in the dark although we know so much more about so many things - we stilll don't know what happened to little Maddy. My view about the McCanns lack of remorse has never changed. If they had at least said how guilty they felt for their poor parenting decisions - I would have felt far more compassion for them - but they never did. Not even a year later on the GMTV couch with the ever fawning Fiona lapping up every word as she has done from the start 'Yes well we've all done this haven't we'. Actually NO - we didn't then and we don't now. WE STILL NEED YOU TO EXPLAIN THIS TO US KATE & GERRY.

They still manage to annoy me even today - amber alert/globetrotting/press interviews/TV prime time spots... they disgust me and sum up everything about the nouveax-riche 'use every opportunity, no matter how personal or horrendous, for personal gain' attitude that frustrates me so much and which is helping to destroy the very heart of our country. They even have the gall to do all of this International 'awareness raising' when all it would have taken to avoid what happened to their daughter was to have been with her.
- Or made sure another trusted responsible adult was.

That's the saddest truth of all. God bless Madeleine in life or in death. I still hope for a more positive outcome either way.

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:46:26 -0000

Hi All,

Just catching up with comments as I've been working away...

To follow up on the buggy comments, as a parent of twins and an older child myself I can absolutely vouch that the twin stroller went everywhere with us until the girls were three plus. That's why we didn't take a holiday abroad until they were 4 as I couldn't have managed all the luggage & essential buggy myself. The McCanns had to buy/acquire two twin buggies whilst they were there as they hadn't brought their own - as you say Stanley a clear indication that the twins were never going to be going anywhere beyond the complex, nor when they were tired. IMO it's a load of rubbish that they nearly took the children to dinner that evening - WHY? it was their last night and they'd never taken them to dinner on any previous night and no-one else brought their children!

As ahs been already stated: We should have been mourning alongside them - and on our own we are - but I cannot condone their complete lack of remorse for their selfishness and arrogance - amber alert indeed - Madeleine & the twins should not have been left alone in the first place! If they must globe trot (and I find this personally repulsive) it should be raise awareness about how selfish parenting puts children at risk.

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:41:51 -0000

I have to agree with you both there John & Lynn, the timing of this 'bad news' story was so unusual in the otherwise highly organised media leaks, interviews and documetaries etc. from Team McCann that it had to be deliberate.

However at first I couldn't see why they would want to do this and had therefore presumed my cynical side was overtaking my thinking - now I can see why as it gives them the excuse that the reconstruction and returning to PDL would just turn into a hate campaign against them. You have to hand it to CM that's real media manipulation of the highest order - that's why he commands so much money.

The media game is on and I'm backing the PJ ;) is this my Britishness in backing the underdog or do they really have a chance of bringing them back to where it all began?

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:04:41 -0000

You are right of course ARM with regard to the law. In the Rhys Jones case though I would find it very difficult to believe that the police, who have been investigating this teenager, his associates and family for 8 months in this highly sensitive case of the public murder of a young boy, would not have amassed an enormous amount of evidence to present a virtually watertight case. But to go back to your point ARM the cornerstone of the British Judicial system is that one remains innocent until proven guilty in a court of law which is not the stage we are at.

As regards the Shannon Matthews case I felt strongly from the outset that something wasn't right at all with the facts as they were presented - a similar but different feeling I also have with the McCann case, of course all this is still merely speculation in this real life, highly emotive, mystery.

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:48:29 -0000

Well what great news re: Rhys Jones, I did say that they had a teenage prime suspect and he has been arrested amongst the group this morning.

We wait with impatience with the Maddie case as per usual!

btw I had real difficulty posting on here earlier, I'd written quite a piece re: the Rhys Jones case but it didn't appear!! and Discus wouldn't let me log in properly... anyway it's on all the news sites now!

Has anyone bumped into Jose recently - it's seems like ages since we heard fron him and I so liked his detailed posts?

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:33:56 -0000

To all of the above a double positive = negative as in 'Yeah, right' !!

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:05:36 -0000

You've probably all seen this, but this is Times online version of recall for reconstruction story:
http://tinyurl.com/6pd659

How dare they question this, I also heard Clarrie on R4 talking about 'the purpose' of the reconstruction and it would be okay if it were for a 'Crimewatch' type televised affair but that they'd question any other reason - WHAT? How very dare they??? Who the hell do they think they are???

It seems like I'm back in righteuos indignation mode again. :( Now we know things are moving.

Btw Clarrie also said the reconstruction was 'unlikely' to be before the 'anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance' and I found myself thinking back to when Gerry made that remark all that time ago about yearly events around the anniversary of her disappearance - and how cold it made me feel - well it appears that's coming up in a few weeks :( I can hardly believe it.

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:01:41 -0000

As regards Shannon - well we knew this was going to be the outcome didn't we - totally disgusting behaviour from her family as we suspected right from the very start.

On the PJ and interviews - well we've been waiting long enough - this is the next stage - let's see what transpires ;)

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:57:47 -0000

WB Stanley - you were missed but not forgotten x sorry to hear about the food poisening, I had fish poisening once and it was HOrrriBLE - so recuperate slowly :) xx

lynn! - sorry also to hear about your wrist - yikes I'd hate that - look after yourself well ;) xx

And John... well exactly... how are we going to solve these crimes when peeps are dropping like flies??

As for the Shannon case... we all said didn't we......

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 06:34:01 -0000

Breaking News:

http://tinyurl.com/32kgf7

Hmm, well we knew there was something going on there.

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:44:02 -0000

Defo an embargo on the Shannon case, did you read all my posts about the revelations on that one - well IMO it's enough for huge (6 egg) omelettes over everyone's faces - the police included as they must've spent 2 yrs budget on a bit of a spoof. Yes indeed she was initially missing but it appears that she was calling home after the second or third day on a regular basis. The last 'news' report on the Shannon case in the Yorkshire Evening Post had a headline that included the word 'kidnapper' in inverted commas (my bezzie mate read a copy out to me) - yet this copy is not available online as I've looked. Yeah - same'o same'o, I'll never read a 'news paper' the same again in my life after following McCann case. But in this instance it looks like YEP were trying to do something decent in intimating that it was/not a kidnap by putting it inverted commas - then since being asked to withdraw it???

And all the while 'Mum' and 'Bidey-in' were enjoying the hospitality of the neighbourhood particularly the hostelries, you couldn't make it up. I just hope to hell they let the sad bugger who was trying to look after her out from remand as it doesn't seem like he'd last long on the inside and I truly don't believe he's harmed her in any way - and that's certainly the thinking locally.

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:07:29 -0000

Gosh John you're making me sound like a stalker now... only concerned is all, anyway I wouldn't intrude when not invited to email... Hope he's okay xx

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:23:58 -0000

Yeah same here lindyloo.

Hey John have you heard anything from Stanley at all? It's a pity there's no pm facility on here - it just seems strange as Stanley's the one complete stalwart - i know we all are but some of us have been known to have breaks or tell peeps if we're going away - but Stanley just stopped posting and it's so unlike him... any thoughts?

Anyone...?

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:18:45 -0000

Thanks for replying Lynn, I thought everyone had jumped ship!

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:18:09 -0000

Gosh where is everybody???

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:36:56 -0000

John, I've been wondering about Stanley too! I hope he's away on his jollies catching up with his son or whatever... remember he's the DeTerminator - so he'll be back :)

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:58:48 -0000

Glad to see your all still here though... I don't go on 3As much nowadays because it's just same old stuff especially when a newbie joins and they all delight in filling in the back catalogue... I've found that there are only so many times you can regurgitate old news before it gnaws at you.

We all wait then - I've a feeling this will just fade away - eventually !

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:44:34 -0000

Thanks for that John, seems quiet on here lately?

Easter hols I guess :)

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:29:14 -0000

Hi All, I've been away with the kids for a few days (early easter break this year!) hence no posting.

Read all recent posts with interest and read Express' apology in Sunday Ex as well! It makes me mad that the impression is being given that the McCann's are 'now in the clear' - HOW exactly? I thought they were going to be reinterviewed in April, can't remember where I read this right now - does anyone else know anything about this?

Re: Rhys, Yes John I saw something on the telly about the case (this was at least two months ago - maybe more - now and could have been on Crimewatch -BBC TV prog.) and the police were asking for more eyewitnesses re. a boy of 14 (already known to police) that they believed to be the killer, they even had blurred CCTV footage of him on his bike and were trying to build up the backing evidence. They recieved a lot of calls and were said to be pleased with progress. That's why I made my comments that they knew who it was. But I think they have to be even more careful where the suspect is a juvenile.

Re: Shannon, I've had some more news on this from a close friend in Leeds. They know a female officer currently working on the case and it appears that what's recently come out in Shannon's interviews is that she was phoning home on virtually a daily basis from about day 2 or 3!!!! If this hearsay is true it's no wonder that Mum and Bidey in weren't out looking for her and enjoyed their local 'celebrity status' in the hostelries instead ;) Apparently she didn't want to come home and they were trying to persuade her to, which probably accounts for those wierd TV clips of her Mum saying 'Shannon we just want you to come home... ' and pleading with 'Whoever has her..' to 'let her go home'.
All the while the rest of us were naturally assuming the worst.

You could write several books on all the missing kids stories there have been in the past 10 months - the mind boggles re: human nature, it really does - hopefully we've come to the end of the run of these for now as I don't think I have the emotional capacity to go through another one.

Re: A New Open Thread For Madeleine McCann: Six Months Later

lizbee — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:38:23 -0000

You've done yourself and us proud Stanley, it's a succinct letter. The McCanns were negligent - that is the point and mealy mouthed journalism at this point is 'ludicrous and unhelpful'; whilst objective and accurate journalism would not bring Madeliene back . It would ensure that justice was truly served on those at fault for placing vulnerable children in the dangerous circumstances in which this tragedy occured.