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Re: Dirty Old Man

lennartkiil — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:11:42 -0000

I appreciate your thoughts on the matter.

The numbers reflect several issues, but the most important point here is that the welfare state undermines the traditional family and civil society by redistributing resources from successful patterns of behavior and lifestyles to non-successful ones.

The welfare state also undermines the very values and virtues that created the wealth that made the welfare state possible in the first place. Again, by punishing virtue and by rewarding vice.

As such, the welfare state is dysfunctional in the long run. It is not evolutionarily stable, so to speak.

Do not make the mistake. Do not adopt our model.

As to anger and frustration:

Well, I got annoyed by what I saw as the perpetuation of the myth that individual men more or less treated women horrible in the past.

That, in my view, is an oversimplification. The majority of men were just trying to make it. To support their families. They were way too busy to go around oppressing women all the time.

By the way. I will be writing about the welfare state on my blog. You are more than welcome to comment there. I use the disqus system too. (In fact that is how I found this post)

Re: Dirty Old Man

Joel_101 — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:22:29 -0000

I never claimed to know more than you – I thought I clearly stated that I could not say. However, I am not unaware of Denmark. I try to base much of what I say upon personal observation/experience as opposed to other sources, not that education/knowledge/research does not impact my thought process.

But you did say “By the way, in Denmark men and women participate almost equally in the workforce.” Which is what prompted my remark about pay scales.

Yet now you say “The numbers stem from the fact that the welfare state milks men to support single mothers and their illegitimate children.” If this is the case your first statement is in error and I retract my remark. I am not trying to attack you, but trying to clarify what exactly it is that you are trying to say here?

The solution to the problem will not be solved here, but I do suggest that there is a solution that could be fair and equitable for all.

In other posts I have referred to individual responsibility. Here in the U.S. there is a similar issue and it is not gender specific, but revolves around the welfare state in general and how it teaches individuals to shirk individual responsibility and rely on the state to be responsible. Why not use the welfare state to empower individuals to take back that responsibility? These are interesting times for developed countries. Virtual work might just be the key to getting dependant individuals back into a workforce. One problem we face in order to do that is to convince business from outsourcing services beyond our nation. This is by no means the only solution to this issue. I once proposed many years ago to a group of people that recipients of welfare that could physically work are forced to earn that welfare check by participating in local workforces to clean up pollution, trash, sweep streets, and/or participate in other local community programs that help others. It was not well received by some, others started to think. Getting people to think about solutions was the intended result. Empowering individuals costs money to – but the end result is different.

Thank you, but I would suggest that many people around the world have diverse life histories and that labels as well as generalizations can be dangerous when one is trying to communicate an idea, point or thought.

I hear a note of frustration and perhaps anger in the tone of some of your words. I do not know you , but I would also suggest (if you haven’t already) that you consider using that for a constructive purpose. Your nation is facing similar problems and issues just like many others, and Denmark has done some remarkable things for the world to see, particularly with wind energy. I can not oppose a welfare state for any nation due to the fact that world population and longevity leads one to the conclusion that ultimately all states/nations may be welfare states/nations. However, I firmly believe that done right, all may benefit and contribute. Will it ever be 100% fair? Never in another 1000 years (prediction). Can we as human beings make it better than it is? I believe we can.

Re: Dirty Old Man

lennartkiil — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:27:09 -0000

Well.

In theory it is possible that you know more about Denmark and state feminism in Denmark than I do. I Live here. I am Danish. So the odds are against it.

Pay cannot explain the numbers. The numbers stem from the fact that the welfare state milks men to support single mothers and their illegitimate children.

Self education never harmed anyone. I meant no offense by suggesting it.

Still, I apologize. I read the link and your life history is impressive.

Re: Dirty Old Man

Joel_101 — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:17:12 -0000

Not at all. Perhaps in Denmark, as I have not been there in 25 years, I can not say from any recent observation.

If you read my posts elsewhere, you would see that I do not support any dogma. As for educating my self…. I am rolling on the ground laughing. You do not know me and I do not know you, and I would kick myself for saying something like that to someone I have no clue about.

I would propose to you, that if you are correct then the pay scales for women should be increased in Denmark to offset this issue.

http://menstrualpoetry.com/sarah-palin-feminist...

Re: Dirty Old Man

lennartkiil — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:02:29 -0000

No, of course you did not.

You were plenty busy focusing on how bad men have treated women.

For you information men generally have not treated women badly. Not now. Not historically.

If you want to believe the feminist dogma there is not much I can do about it, but for you own sake educate yourself.

Nor can the numbers be explained away by workforce participation. The numbers are corrected for that already. By the way, in Denmark men and women participate almost equally in the workforce.

The reason for the difference is that men die young working while women live to become old and thus dependent on the state.

Open your eyes my friend. Things are not what they seem.

Re: Dirty Old Man

Joel_101 — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:19:19 -0000

Interesting.

And quite frankly easily rationalized, as not all women are in the “workforce” in many countries – including the U.S. – Women receive no monetary credit for staying at home and raising a family. These and other things can skew those kinds of figures.

Again – that can easily be rationalized – if women do not work outside the family – how would they have money to spend? Another skew.

I never said that men spend a lot to help and protect women, nor was that the intended meaning.

Re: Dirty Old Man

lennartkiil — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 04:00:24 -0000

Yes, women receive more from men than the reverse:

"Women's lower average net contribution and longer life span means that an average female can expect to receive 2.4 mill. dkr ( ~400.000 $ ) more from the public than she pays. On the other hand the average male can expect to pay 0.8 mill. dkr ( ~133.333 $ ) more than he receives from the public."

This is from an official government report by the Danish government. At the same time men privately spend twice as much on women as the opposite.

So yeah. You are right. Men do spend a lot to help and protect women.

Re: Dirty Old Man

Joel — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:07:22 -0000

While I do not agree 100% to her statement - it has some merit. As a male, I have difficulty relating to certain things - as I am not a woman - the walk a mile in my shoes thing.

Of course - that is why I cannot agree 100% to the statement.... A female can't walk that mile in my shoes either.

Where it has merit is reflected in females being the recipient of so many things by males. AND the reverse situation is extremely limited due to our society and it's treatment of women historically... in other words, males are not the recipient from females in general... and even if they are... do they really care?

Re: Dirty Old Man

lennartkiil — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:16:31 -0000

Quoting you: "When it comes to the psychology of men, no one truly understands it as well as women"

You gotta be kidding right?

Re: What do women want?

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