DISQUS

having unleashed a few good and bad TLAs when at Gartner, the best ones described a emerging product category in simple terms that an average business person understood without needing a user manual.

Web 3.0 like Enterprise 2.0 is a pompous term that will sell a few conference seats

But it fails the basic "what do it do" test...

Robert, one of my readers recently commented "My (information) sources include "Twitter, email, RSS, surfing, print media (gasp!), conversations, conferences and dreams. "

Glad you are focusing on Main Street Businesses. "Web 2010" for them is a very broad swath we sometimes forget in tech world...

BTW - loved your "To build something new you have to destroy what you were doing before". Other than a few exceptions like Intel which eats its own children most vendors are afraid of disruption and would rather market, sue, acquire to disrupt disruption...

Robert, one of my readers recently commented "My (information) sources include "Twitter, email, RSS, surfing, print media (gasp!), conversations, conferences and dreams. "

Glad you are focusing on Main Street Businesses. "Web 2010" for them is a very broad swath we sometimes forget in tech world...

BTW - loved your "To build something new you have to destroy what you were doing before". Other than a few exceptions like Intel which eats its own children most vendors are afraid of disruption and would rather market, sue, acquire to disrupt disruption...

Robert, you are talking about how to help a restaurant like Junoon. But the majority of tech bloggers, media, analysts do not focus even on the larger enterprise tech buyer like a Citi or a GM - it is largely a vendor driven world. Vendor pr around new products, their earnings releases etc drive most reporting and blogging.

I have long felt the CIOs and CTOs and IT directors are the unsung heroes in our industry. They get none of the stock options or the fame, but make tech work...the more we can write from their POV the better it will be for the industry

telcos are not monogamous with devices,, so why are you suggesting device manufacturers should be with telcos? Apple may think it has AT&T sown up but look at the AT&T store and you see plenty of RIM, Samsung, Nokia phones.

If you talk to Nokia folks, they will tell you the US is one of the few countries where their brand is subordinated by telcos.

I would love to see the new FCC commissioner may sure we not consolidate our telcos any more, and as consumers we should encourage device manufacturers to make the networks fungible. The innovation is coming in the devices not as much in the networks - that's where we should be investing more of our rewards.

Eliot, as one of my early mentors used to ask during any IT application project approval process:

what do it do?

can these tools do gross to net payroll calculations. No.
can they calculate sales commissions. No.
can they do currency conversions. No.
can they optimize ship-from locations. No.

I can go on and on. If they cannot do so much why do they egotistically insist on calling themselves "the enterprise"

Social computing, Wiki, collaboration - a narrower term is much more appropriate.

That's my issue not that the tools are not useful

Robert, enterprise disruption - please.

Much as I like what these tools are doing they don't help companies trade, control manufacturing or logistics, or cut payroll or do global accounting or design products or manage customer relationships.

It is a category of collaboration tools that does itself a disservice by over defining itself as "the" enterprise.

It is a small sliver of the enterprise...

good to see you at Dreamforce

you were right about the elections not being close...buy you a beverage next time :)

talking of beverages stay away from milk in China...

Loic, that is an unfair statement to Hyundai. It has been steadily improving for two decades and ounce is priced 40 to 50% better, offers a longer warranty than BMW, Lexus etc. and with cars like the Vera Cruz, the Genesis etc has been moving steadily up-market.

The G1 cannot claim a cost advantage compared to iPhone not because of the device cost but because T-Mobile missed an opportunity to take advantage of packaging its hot spot, global coverage assets into its rates compared to AT&T (at least in the US market) as I wrote below

http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect...

Jesse, he did not elaborate but to Robert's theme, we are reading in to a whole bunch of little things and jumping to emotional conclusions.

It would have been so much better if the comment had been on the lines of "Did you know the author is also a Newsweek editor, and Newsweek tends to be a liberal publication?" and not pushing the patriotic button...

I was on a plane with this passenger who was reading "The Post-American World" and he told me a total stranger had walked up to him and said it was unpatriotic to read that book...

Robert, hope to see you there...I am on the panel on Friday on clouds, and should arrive Thursday evening for the Zoho get together..

You are spot on with the recognition of both Ismael and Raju...

Robert, if they hung around for 2 weeks I would agree, but the Opening Ceremony to me deserved the attention. To me, in terms of technology, political and other impact China's ambitious "moonshot"ranked far higher (see two of my posts below) than the iPhone launches or the g6 summits and you know how many journalists and bloggers cover those

http://florence20.typepad.com/renaissance/2008/...

http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect...

As an enterprise focused blogger, as a PR person I want you to know: Offer me interviews with 2 CIOs who have implemented your product as early adopters and I will listen to them, then write about your product. Don't expect me to write about a beta product without customer validation.

And on the other end of the bell curve don't send me PR about the 500th customer on release 12 of your product.

Finally, if you are really passionate about your vendor and its products, send me a personalized email or call me and show your passion.

Good point, but Apple seems to have forgotten that principle around the iPhone...the 5 year TCO is dramatically bloated by AT&T and down the line by its own 30% expectation on any Apps which sells through its store...

How big is iPhone 5 year TCO? check out the 4 scenarios I have developed below

http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect...

and then updated for the 3G version

http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect...

On the Macbook Air in envelope ...only envelopes carried by USPS are exempt from that search ...not sure if an individuals carries that envelope he/she is protected from such a search...

also Max, re - "middlemen". The day the tech industry reverses the 1:4 R&D to SGA spend the day middlemen will disappear. You praise marketing blogs from MS and toehr vendors as "professional" - to buyers they just add to the SG&A

Also as I pointed out in an earlier comment buyers have become smart about balancing input from middlemen - they take Gartner, media, Accenture, blog input as individual data points. Input from another CIO outweighs that of all middlemen put together...

Max, I try to distill what I learn in my day job from various negotiation, innovation and other projects for a number of CIOs. I have in last 3 years posted over 4,000 items both on the Deal Architect and New Florence blogs. If you want to judge me by the first page or a handful of posts, be my guest.

But rather than calling Dana or others liars, I would love to see you start a prolific blog of your own - see what you can post and can defend on a consistent basis...is that not the beauty of blogging? You and I can at very low cost express our opinions...

Max, boy you must be reading some fantasy blogs if your percentage of "outright lies" is what you say it is. Most of the blogs I subscribe to - I may not agree with - but I have never feel they "lie" to me.

And as former Gartner analyst I can tell you you are sadly mistaken if you think analysts or even respected reporters know more about a topic than a leading blogger in that space does...they happen to work for a more established brand name company. That's the only difference...

David, sorry to disagree but to a business executive, a practitioner will always have more credibility than a journalist. They pay us consulting, software other fees many many times higher than their annual subscription to a magazine or a newspaper...

But the reality is no single source any more - journalists, bloggers, analysts - individually influences a whole bunch. There is an expression which goes

In the 70s when the CIO wanted input on tech they turned to IBM
In the 80s they turned to Accenture (Andersen)
In the 90s they turned to Gartner
Now they talk to each other

So, rather than media sniping at bloggers and bloggers at analysts the more we all listen to what our customers and readers want to read about the better...

Robert, agree...also many bloggers are practitioners...they bring a perspective from their day job that few journalists can bring. Most bloggers tend to summarize and link to input from multiple sources )which in a way is a fact-check) - how often do you see a NY Times article cite a WSJ source or vice versa?

Finally, in the enterprise space I blog about, there are fewer influential reporters. As I blogged last night, it sure would be nice for the NY Times (and other MSM) to consistently spread its coverage beyond Apple or Google which accounts for less than 5% of the tech and telecom industry...you would think sitting next to so many Fortune 500 CIOs in Manhattan they would write way more about enterprise vendors. Those guys are interested in reading about Jobs' health, but their jobs depend on how SAP, SunGard Infosys and other "obscure" vendors fare

you missed this line

http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect...

you just reminded me to turn my captcha back on...:)

see if you can bribe him with more gadgets and keep him away from a car even at 16

...the insurance on that will be far more expensive as I am finding out :)

Robert, this stuff is what I admire you for. I realize most of your readers want you to talk about specific devices and web services, but its applications and integration of multiple technologies that create magic in companies - and needs such much more exposure.

I have in past and hope to continue to profile some of your work on my innovation blog - New Florence, New Renaissance where I am always looking for innovative applications of technology from telemetry to mobility ...

cheers