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1 year ago
in iPhone 2.0 announcement made me really sad. on Macgasm
...I see I should have read all the way to the end of the discussion thread before making the same point as shteeve.
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macgasm
alright! alright! I concede. ;) I'm still hoping for the sake of my pocket book that apple sells them directly. ;)
1 year ago
in iPhone 2.0 announcement made me really sad. on Macgasm
See, you see the price of an iPhone as $199. I see the price as $3440. Or at least, that's the estimate based on the leaked maybe memo from Rogers. Yes, you could by the iPhone and not activate it, but I have this sneaking suspicion that that price isn't going to fly without a plan. And, again if that memo is real, the plan locks you into three years. Which means that by the time you're able to upgrade, there will be at least two more iterations of the iPhone out.....
But this is all speculation based on what could quite possibly a fake document. Give it a couple more weeks and the truth will be known. And then we'll find out if the iPhone really comes in under the price of the iPod touch. It may well be.
However, your argument is based on a questionable assumptiion: Will Apple sell directly to the customers? No word yet. But there is no pre-order option from the website, only a link to a list of Rogers and Fido Stores, and that doesn't bode well for people looking for a cheap MP3 player sans phone. The word on the street is that the phone is being subsidized by the cell phone companies, and if they are subsidizing it, you can bet they're not going to let it go without a plan.
But again, speculation. Let's pick this up again on July 12....
But this is all speculation based on what could quite possibly a fake document. Give it a couple more weeks and the truth will be known. And then we'll find out if the iPhone really comes in under the price of the iPod touch. It may well be.
However, your argument is based on a questionable assumptiion: Will Apple sell directly to the customers? No word yet. But there is no pre-order option from the website, only a link to a list of Rogers and Fido Stores, and that doesn't bode well for people looking for a cheap MP3 player sans phone. The word on the street is that the phone is being subsidized by the cell phone companies, and if they are subsidizing it, you can bet they're not going to let it go without a plan.
But again, speculation. Let's pick this up again on July 12....
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Macanuck
...I see I should have read all the way to the end of the discussion thread before making the same point as shteeve.
macgasm
Just a quick aside, I've done some math on the last year of my current Rogers bill and I've spent about 1104.48 this year. So if we multiply that by three I'm currently paying 3314.00. So I'm currently paying 3314.00 for a three year plan, with no bells and whistles on my account with the exception of call id.
Let’s say you choose the $60 plan as a bare minimum plus the $15/month voice value pack…
$199 iPhone 3G.
$60 voice/data plan + $15 voice value pack + $6.95 SAF = 81.95/mnth
$81.95 x 36 months (3 year contract) = 2950.00 + $199.00 = $3149.2
So, being put into context of me getting raped already by rogers... I might actually save some money here... I thought that was amusing, so i thought I'd share.
So I could buy a touch and pay what I'm paying now, or I can buy an iPhone, and not really have spent much more.
Let’s say you choose the $60 plan as a bare minimum plus the $15/month voice value pack…
$199 iPhone 3G.
$60 voice/data plan + $15 voice value pack + $6.95 SAF = 81.95/mnth
$81.95 x 36 months (3 year contract) = 2950.00 + $199.00 = $3149.2
So, being put into context of me getting raped already by rogers... I might actually save some money here... I thought that was amusing, so i thought I'd share.
So I could buy a touch and pay what I'm paying now, or I can buy an iPhone, and not really have spent much more.
1 year ago
in iPhone 2.0 announcement made me really sad. on Macgasm
Yeah, I would, actually. Me and the people who live in the 95% of Canada's land mass that don't live in one of the 25 (count em) centers across the country that doesn't have 3G access. Sorry, but not all of us live in major urban centers (or on the prairie, where one cell tower covers Saskatchewan).
Geographically, we're the majority, though in numbers, probably not. Heck, I'm so far off the beaten track that I don't even have GSM coverage (and just got CDMA a couple years ago). So I'm not planning on getting even a first gen iPhone. Sorry.
If you look at a coverage map of the states, 3G coverage is still pretty thin there, too, once you get out of maor centres. Heck, there's entire states that don't even have AT&T, let alone 3G. There's gotta be something for them. And the for all the kids who are only texting anyway, why not an iPod touch? Sure, you've gotta be near Wi-Fi, but I suspect that 90% of my time is spent near a wi-fi hotspot (home, work...in the kid's case, school).
And let's not forget that (in the states) data plans for a iPhone are $30, was it? So the actual cost of ownership of an iPhone is much higher than an iPod touch. IF you need both a cell phone and music device and IF you live in one of the $25 centres across Canada that has 3G and IF Roger's doesn't charge an arm and a leg for the data plans...then yes, iPhone all the way, baby. If not, this iPod touch is great for listening and watching podcasts....
Anyway. I think you might be pronouncing it dead a little early. In a few years, maybe.
Geographically, we're the majority, though in numbers, probably not. Heck, I'm so far off the beaten track that I don't even have GSM coverage (and just got CDMA a couple years ago). So I'm not planning on getting even a first gen iPhone. Sorry.
If you look at a coverage map of the states, 3G coverage is still pretty thin there, too, once you get out of maor centres. Heck, there's entire states that don't even have AT&T, let alone 3G. There's gotta be something for them. And the for all the kids who are only texting anyway, why not an iPod touch? Sure, you've gotta be near Wi-Fi, but I suspect that 90% of my time is spent near a wi-fi hotspot (home, work...in the kid's case, school).
And let's not forget that (in the states) data plans for a iPhone are $30, was it? So the actual cost of ownership of an iPhone is much higher than an iPod touch. IF you need both a cell phone and music device and IF you live in one of the $25 centres across Canada that has 3G and IF Roger's doesn't charge an arm and a leg for the data plans...then yes, iPhone all the way, baby. If not, this iPod touch is great for listening and watching podcasts....
Anyway. I think you might be pronouncing it dead a little early. In a few years, maybe.
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macgasm
You raise some mighty fine points. But, I think if a person, regardless of there location can get their hands on an iPhone (8gb) for 199.00, with activation or without activation, or a Touch (8gb) for 299.99 they would be going for the 100.00 dollar cheaper model. Now, I haven't looked into how the generation 2 phones will be sold in Canada, but if Apple sells them directly at that price no one will buy a Touch. The savings of 100.00 makes it mighty hard to turn down, regardless of coverage.
So if the capacities stay the same, and if the iPhone is sold directly by Apple, and if the price remains how they are now, I see very few people spending an extra 100.00 on a device that does everything the iPhone does, minus the cellphone.
Just my opinion though ;)
So if the capacities stay the same, and if the iPhone is sold directly by Apple, and if the price remains how they are now, I see very few people spending an extra 100.00 on a device that does everything the iPhone does, minus the cellphone.
Just my opinion though ;)
