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2 週間 ago
in Gov. Sanford admits affair with "dear, dear friend" in Argentina on AMERICAblog
Yeah. Why are we all assuming this is with a woman?
And another point of hypocrisy.... Sanford was AGAINST off-shore drilling. I guess he's changed his position on that.
And another point of hypocrisy.... Sanford was AGAINST off-shore drilling. I guess he's changed his position on that.
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yawn
ah ha!
11 ヶ月 ago
in Challenged on Linux Hater's Blog
"The *vendor* is engaged in commercial activity. It doesn't matter if the purchaser is a domestic user, another business, a non-profit, or a government."
And this is why you are a luser. It DOES matter to the vendor. It matters a lot. There is a reason why firms specialize in different channels, why IBM goes after the enterprise and why Best Buy's Geek Squad goes after home and small-business users, why some firms work with nonprofits and some work with governments and deal with the often arcane purchasing criteria. On a practical level, the purchasing criteria for a government or school are fixed and it's up to you to meet their standards; I note you didn't answer my question about whether you really think a city manager or a school district walks into a Best Buy, credit card in hand, to make large purchases. (Of course they don't; admit it.) If you cannot, truly not understand why not every customer is the same, it explains why Linux and its advocates are doomed for failure: different customers have different needs and have different methods of procurement. (It also explains why lusers insist Linux is a great desktop OS because it works so well in the supercomputer field. THEY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE.) But keep on insisting that every customer is exactly the same; repeating it over and over won't make it so.
You can insult me all you want; it's really amateur hour with you involved. I suspect you know deep down you screwed up and can't acknowledge it. But that's OK; it's that stubbornness and total lack of common sense that keeps Linux afloat.
And this is why you are a luser. It DOES matter to the vendor. It matters a lot. There is a reason why firms specialize in different channels, why IBM goes after the enterprise and why Best Buy's Geek Squad goes after home and small-business users, why some firms work with nonprofits and some work with governments and deal with the often arcane purchasing criteria. On a practical level, the purchasing criteria for a government or school are fixed and it's up to you to meet their standards; I note you didn't answer my question about whether you really think a city manager or a school district walks into a Best Buy, credit card in hand, to make large purchases. (Of course they don't; admit it.) If you cannot, truly not understand why not every customer is the same, it explains why Linux and its advocates are doomed for failure: different customers have different needs and have different methods of procurement. (It also explains why lusers insist Linux is a great desktop OS because it works so well in the supercomputer field. THEY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE.) But keep on insisting that every customer is exactly the same; repeating it over and over won't make it so.
You can insult me all you want; it's really amateur hour with you involved. I suspect you know deep down you screwed up and can't acknowledge it. But that's OK; it's that stubbornness and total lack of common sense that keeps Linux afloat.
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julian67
Dear fuckwit, yes the customers are different and make their purchases in different ways (retail outlet, wholesale outlet, direct sales, tender, cash, account, whatever) but for the vendor it's all commerce, i.e. activity of selling goods/services with the end of making a profit.
You are a fucking moron.
Wait for the popping noise before you post again.
You are a fucking moron.
Wait for the popping noise before you post again.
11 ヶ月 ago
in Challenged on Linux Hater's Blog
"Commercial = occupied with or engaged in commerce or work intended for commerce"
Which is not government. I don't know why you're being so dogmatic about insisting government sales are the same as commercial sales. Anyone who has spent a minute in the sales chain knows there is a difference. In the real world, a commercial sale is a reference to the BUYER, not the seller. Educational and government channels are totally different than commercial channels. What, you think a school district or local government unit walks into a Best Buy with credit card in hand? IT DON'T WORK THAT WAY.
That's OK. It looks like everyone here has you figured out for the luser you are, so slink on back to slashdot for today's circle jerk. Maybe Taco will give you a reacharound since you've been a good luser.
Which is not government. I don't know why you're being so dogmatic about insisting government sales are the same as commercial sales. Anyone who has spent a minute in the sales chain knows there is a difference. In the real world, a commercial sale is a reference to the BUYER, not the seller. Educational and government channels are totally different than commercial channels. What, you think a school district or local government unit walks into a Best Buy with credit card in hand? IT DON'T WORK THAT WAY.
That's OK. It looks like everyone here has you figured out for the luser you are, so slink on back to slashdot for today's circle jerk. Maybe Taco will give you a reacharound since you've been a good luser.
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julian67
Mr Paul Fuckwit: a transaction has at least *two* parties. The *vendor* is engaged in commercial activity. It doesn't matter if the purchaser is a domestic user, another business, a non-profit, or a government. The *vendor* is selling goods and services for the purpose of making a profit. This is commerce.
You are an unbelievable fucking idiot.
You are an unbelievable fucking idiot.
11 ヶ月 ago
in Challenged on Linux Hater's Blog
Heh. Typical Linux luser; just making s**t up as they go along. Fine; I know it's more comfortable to deny reality, and I know all too well how Lusers can deny reality, even when it's shoved into their face. (Here's a tip: there's a difference between Eee PC running Linux sales and EEE PC running XP sales. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.) But I cannot let this go unchallenged, because it shows what a different reality you inhabit:
"If HP or Dell or Asus or anybody make a sale of hardware and accompanying software license to a government do you think they, as suppliers, regard this as non-commercial?"
Yes, they do. Governmental sales are a totally different sales channel with totally different rules, like bidding and RFPs. A GOVERNMENTAL SALE IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF A NONCOMMERCIAL SALE.
You'd better step away from your mom and dad's water heater next to your basement abode; the fumes from the gas leak is making you dumber by the minute.
"If HP or Dell or Asus or anybody make a sale of hardware and accompanying software license to a government do you think they, as suppliers, regard this as non-commercial?"
Yes, they do. Governmental sales are a totally different sales channel with totally different rules, like bidding and RFPs. A GOVERNMENTAL SALE IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF A NONCOMMERCIAL SALE.
You'd better step away from your mom and dad's water heater next to your basement abode; the fumes from the gas leak is making you dumber by the minute.
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julian67
Commercial = occupied with or engaged in commerce or work intended for commerce
Commerce = the exchange or buying and selling of commodities on a large scale involving transportation from place to place
synonym = Business
Business, commerce, trade, industry, traffic mean activity concerned with the supplying and distribution of commodities.
(merriam-webster)
Selling stuff is commercial, whether the end user is a company or a government.
You're a fucking moron.
Yes there's a difference between running XP and running Linux on the Eee PC. According to your linked speculation about 80% of Eee PCs run XP and 20% run Linux. Projected total sales of Eee PC for 2008 are expected, by Asus, to be 5 million. 20% of 5 million makes 1 million. Is this too technical for you? It's all there in previous posts. Are you fucking illiterate, innumerate or both?
You're a fucking moron.
Commerce = the exchange or buying and selling of commodities on a large scale involving transportation from place to place
synonym = Business
Business, commerce, trade, industry, traffic mean activity concerned with the supplying and distribution of commodities.
(merriam-webster)
Selling stuff is commercial, whether the end user is a company or a government.
You're a fucking moron.
Yes there's a difference between running XP and running Linux on the Eee PC. According to your linked speculation about 80% of Eee PCs run XP and 20% run Linux. Projected total sales of Eee PC for 2008 are expected, by Asus, to be 5 million. 20% of 5 million makes 1 million. Is this too technical for you? It's all there in previous posts. Are you fucking illiterate, innumerate or both?
You're a fucking moron.
11 ヶ月 ago
in Challenged on Linux Hater's Blog
You fail the truth test by quoting Wikipedia, dude! As for your "references" -- none of them had a direct quote FROM A SINGLE PERSON. In other words, they're worthless blog posts -- it's like someone quoting the numbers you pulled from your butt as evidence of something. You can't ignore the well-researched article with actual resellers saying actual things -- but I admire you for staying in your own little reality-denial sphere, refusing to believe reality and instead patching together an alternative universe of blog posts and incorrect assertions. Bravo!
Also, you fail the truth test by not providing the actual quote from one of the articles:
"Among the 5 brands, Asus enjoyed the largest growth with a total sale of 1.3 million PC units shipped. "
Um, dude, Asus sells more than just the Eee PC! Your own quoted article contracts your statements. What is it -- 5 million? 1.3 million?
Oh, wait, it's 600,000 for the last 12 months for the EEE PC -- not for 2007. Selective reading on your part: you didn't notice the article you dis was dated TWO WEEKS AGO:
http://apcmag.com/linux_not_essential_to_eee_pc...
And, finally, you may want to take a remedial reading course: in the real world, SHIPPING a produce isn't the same as SELLING it. The way the market has tuned into a consignment world, the number shipped is worthless.
And getting back to your poor reading comprehension skills: yeah, government is PRETTY MUCH THE DEFINITION OF NONCOMMERCIAL. Yeeks.
"But thank you for accusing me of being misleading while getting it badly wrong yourself. ;-)"
Sorry: I nailed it. You are pathetically wrong, but what makes it so pathetic is that you're a luser who can't see their own delusions.
Also, you fail the truth test by not providing the actual quote from one of the articles:
"Among the 5 brands, Asus enjoyed the largest growth with a total sale of 1.3 million PC units shipped. "
Um, dude, Asus sells more than just the Eee PC! Your own quoted article contracts your statements. What is it -- 5 million? 1.3 million?
Oh, wait, it's 600,000 for the last 12 months for the EEE PC -- not for 2007. Selective reading on your part: you didn't notice the article you dis was dated TWO WEEKS AGO:
http://apcmag.com/linux_not_essential_to_eee_pc...
And, finally, you may want to take a remedial reading course: in the real world, SHIPPING a produce isn't the same as SELLING it. The way the market has tuned into a consignment world, the number shipped is worthless.
And getting back to your poor reading comprehension skills: yeah, government is PRETTY MUCH THE DEFINITION OF NONCOMMERCIAL. Yeeks.
"But thank you for accusing me of being misleading while getting it badly wrong yourself. ;-)"
Sorry: I nailed it. You are pathetically wrong, but what makes it so pathetic is that you're a luser who can't see their own delusions.
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julian67
I'm sorry your reading and comprehension skills are so limited. The link that *you* posted states
"ASUS sold more than 600,000 Eee PCs last year, and is targeting sales of 5 million this year"
The Eee PC was released in Taiwan at the end of October 2007 and globally in November. And *you* are accusing *me* of selective reading and being misleading!
You're a moron.
Yes Asus sold 1.3 million Pcs of all descriptions last year. And since the Eee PC was released their sales have increased massively, with Q2 results 2008 vs Q2 results 2007 showing the 159% increase. They project sales of the Eee PC alone to reach 5 million units in 2008.
If you have trouble understanding the difference between months, quarters and years that's your problem. If you can't understand that last year's sales don't equate to this years sales and they have are massively different again that's your problem. The Eee PC is massively cheaper than their other PC products and it's selling in massively bigger numbers accordingly.
You're a moron.
As for commercial or non-commercial: again you're a fucking moron. Have you had a lobotomy or have you always been this stupid? If HP or Dell or Asus or anybody make a sale of hardware and accompanying software license to a government do you think they, as suppliers, regard this as non-commercial? If Dell sell one PC via direct sales to a member of the public is this some sort of domestic activity rather than commercial? Do you really think commercial means only business to business?
You're an incredibly stupid person but please keep going. My other hobbies include stealing candy from babies and shooting fish in a barrel so this makes for a nice easy warm up.
"ASUS sold more than 600,000 Eee PCs last year, and is targeting sales of 5 million this year"
The Eee PC was released in Taiwan at the end of October 2007 and globally in November. And *you* are accusing *me* of selective reading and being misleading!
You're a moron.
Yes Asus sold 1.3 million Pcs of all descriptions last year. And since the Eee PC was released their sales have increased massively, with Q2 results 2008 vs Q2 results 2007 showing the 159% increase. They project sales of the Eee PC alone to reach 5 million units in 2008.
If you have trouble understanding the difference between months, quarters and years that's your problem. If you can't understand that last year's sales don't equate to this years sales and they have are massively different again that's your problem. The Eee PC is massively cheaper than their other PC products and it's selling in massively bigger numbers accordingly.
You're a moron.
As for commercial or non-commercial: again you're a fucking moron. Have you had a lobotomy or have you always been this stupid? If HP or Dell or Asus or anybody make a sale of hardware and accompanying software license to a government do you think they, as suppliers, regard this as non-commercial? If Dell sell one PC via direct sales to a member of the public is this some sort of domestic activity rather than commercial? Do you really think commercial means only business to business?
You're an incredibly stupid person but please keep going. My other hobbies include stealing candy from babies and shooting fish in a barrel so this makes for a nice easy warm up.
11 ヶ月 ago
in Challenged on Linux Hater's Blog
"up to May 2008 confirmed orders of the OLPC were at about 650,000."
That kills your argument. For starters, it's not a commercial subnotebook: it's a limited piece of crap foisted upon the poor, starving children of the world. Bringing it up automatically eliminates you from consideration as a serious person.
By the way, one minute of googling yielded the following: TOTAL unit sales for Asus models was 1.7 million. You do realize they -- as in Acer, the parent company -- make more than the Eee PC, right? And Asus officials say directly they think Linux is NOT the key to Eee PC sales, right?
http://apcmag.com/linux_not_essential_to_eee_pc...
In that article, Asus officials are QUOTED as saying they sold 600,000 Eee PCs last year.
__600,000__
What a frickin' luser you are.
And of those users, MOST ARE DUMPING LINUX:
"Don’t bet on it, says Hugo Ortega, principal of Tegatech, a distributor that handles the Eee alongside competing devices such as HP’s 2133 Mini-Note PC and ultra-mobile PCs (UMPCs) that run Windows XP and Vista and range well past the $3000 mark.
“The HP 2133s are outselling the Eee PC 20 to 1,” Ortega says, “and Linux only accounts for probably 20% of Eee PC sales and less than 5% of overall UMPC sales. The fact that there’s a $500 notebook out there is a big plus, but we find most [buyers] are more than happy to use a license in their office to upgrade them to [Windows] XP.” "
Wow. What a source of misinformation you are, julian.
That kills your argument. For starters, it's not a commercial subnotebook: it's a limited piece of crap foisted upon the poor, starving children of the world. Bringing it up automatically eliminates you from consideration as a serious person.
By the way, one minute of googling yielded the following: TOTAL unit sales for Asus models was 1.7 million. You do realize they -- as in Acer, the parent company -- make more than the Eee PC, right? And Asus officials say directly they think Linux is NOT the key to Eee PC sales, right?
http://apcmag.com/linux_not_essential_to_eee_pc...
In that article, Asus officials are QUOTED as saying they sold 600,000 Eee PCs last year.
__600,000__
What a frickin' luser you are.
And of those users, MOST ARE DUMPING LINUX:
"Don’t bet on it, says Hugo Ortega, principal of Tegatech, a distributor that handles the Eee alongside competing devices such as HP’s 2133 Mini-Note PC and ultra-mobile PCs (UMPCs) that run Windows XP and Vista and range well past the $3000 mark.
“The HP 2133s are outselling the Eee PC 20 to 1,” Ortega says, “and Linux only accounts for probably 20% of Eee PC sales and less than 5% of overall UMPC sales. The fact that there’s a $500 notebook out there is a big plus, but we find most [buyers] are more than happy to use a license in their office to upgrade them to [Windows] XP.” "
Wow. What a source of misinformation you are, julian.
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julian67
OK I had another look.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Newsentry.153+M507... "Asus raised the sales expectations of the Eee PC from 3.8 million to 5 million sold devices at the beginning of 2008. Now, Chen expects this numbers to rise again, but he did not tell how much."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC#Sales
"According to DigiTimes, 1.7 million devices were shipped in the first half of 2008, which was 300 000 less than expected'
The figure of 600,000 units sold in 2007 is interesting because the Eee PC only launched In October in Taiwan and globally in November. 600,000 sales in 10 weeks for a new product is not so bad ;-)
As for Asus' total global PC sales, the point you missed is that they have more than doubled since the Eee PC arrived. According to Gartner http://eeepc.net/pc-sales-continue-to-grow-than... they shipped 1.3 million units (total PC sales) in quarter 2 of 2008 alone. A 159% rise on Q2 2007.
If they sell 5 million Eee Pcs in 2008 and according to your non-definitive speculating source only 20% of those have Linux I calculate, by the awesome power of advanced maths, that will be 1 Linux million Eee PCs expected to be sold in addition to the 600,000 Linux based models sold in 2007.
But thank you for accusing me of being misleading while getting it badly wrong yourself. ;-)
Re: what OS people choose when they buy an Eee PC and what they do with it afterwards:
In many markets the Eee PC has been sold with different SSD (flash drive) sizes and RAM for XP and Linux and at different prices. On some models buying Linux means saving money and getting a 20 GB drive instead of 12 GB. On other models the Linux version costs more but has less RAM and a smaller SDD.
Like any other PC it's hard to tell what people do with it after sale. If I wanted an Eee PC 1000 I'd buy the XP model, if I wanted one of the smaller models I'd buy the Linux version. Both decisions based on cost and hardware, not the OS. I'd probably install Debian on either, so neither would have the OS supplied by the manufacturer.
As for the OLPC if it's not commercial then is it free? Or do organisations have to pay for it? If a government purchases 200,000 HP desktops and XP licenses for their offices and schools would you call that non-commercial too?
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Newsentry.153+M507... "Asus raised the sales expectations of the Eee PC from 3.8 million to 5 million sold devices at the beginning of 2008. Now, Chen expects this numbers to rise again, but he did not tell how much."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC#Sales
"According to DigiTimes, 1.7 million devices were shipped in the first half of 2008, which was 300 000 less than expected'
The figure of 600,000 units sold in 2007 is interesting because the Eee PC only launched In October in Taiwan and globally in November. 600,000 sales in 10 weeks for a new product is not so bad ;-)
As for Asus' total global PC sales, the point you missed is that they have more than doubled since the Eee PC arrived. According to Gartner http://eeepc.net/pc-sales-continue-to-grow-than... they shipped 1.3 million units (total PC sales) in quarter 2 of 2008 alone. A 159% rise on Q2 2007.
If they sell 5 million Eee Pcs in 2008 and according to your non-definitive speculating source only 20% of those have Linux I calculate, by the awesome power of advanced maths, that will be 1 Linux million Eee PCs expected to be sold in addition to the 600,000 Linux based models sold in 2007.
But thank you for accusing me of being misleading while getting it badly wrong yourself. ;-)
Re: what OS people choose when they buy an Eee PC and what they do with it afterwards:
In many markets the Eee PC has been sold with different SSD (flash drive) sizes and RAM for XP and Linux and at different prices. On some models buying Linux means saving money and getting a 20 GB drive instead of 12 GB. On other models the Linux version costs more but has less RAM and a smaller SDD.
Like any other PC it's hard to tell what people do with it after sale. If I wanted an Eee PC 1000 I'd buy the XP model, if I wanted one of the smaller models I'd buy the Linux version. Both decisions based on cost and hardware, not the OS. I'd probably install Debian on either, so neither would have the OS supplied by the manufacturer.
As for the OLPC if it's not commercial then is it free? Or do organisations have to pay for it? If a government purchases 200,000 HP desktops and XP licenses for their offices and schools would you call that non-commercial too?
11 ヶ月 ago
in Challenged on Linux Hater's Blog
"Possibly the next contender is Xandros which is pre-installed on the Asus Eee PC and has sold in millions."
And this is why lusers are lusers. Millions? What frickin' planet are you on? From IHT:
"In Japan, about 1.1 million subnotebooks were sold in the 12 months that ended in March, a 3 percent increase from the year before, while sales of full-sized notebooks fell 9 percent during the same period to 4.7 million units. Worldwide, International Data expects 6.6 million ultra-portables to be sold this year."
Given the huge popularity of the Vaio-U in Japan, it's EXTREMELY doubtful there are millions of Linux used in the subnotebook market, especially when the leaders are Palm, Handspring, Sony and Compaq.
And this is why lusers are lusers. Millions? What frickin' planet are you on? From IHT:
"In Japan, about 1.1 million subnotebooks were sold in the 12 months that ended in March, a 3 percent increase from the year before, while sales of full-sized notebooks fell 9 percent during the same period to 4.7 million units. Worldwide, International Data expects 6.6 million ultra-portables to be sold this year."
Given the huge popularity of the Vaio-U in Japan, it's EXTREMELY doubtful there are millions of Linux used in the subnotebook market, especially when the leaders are Palm, Handspring, Sony and Compaq.
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julian67
I looked at reports of Asus's global sales reports for the Asus Eee PC, which show 1.7 million sales in the first 6 months of 2008, apparently about 300,000 fewer than anticipated.
Perhaps to get information on global sales of an Asus product I should have concentrated on a Sony product's sales in Japan? An interesting idea but regrettably one that marks you out as an idiot.
Perhaps to get information on global sales of an Asus product I should have concentrated on a Sony product's sales in Japan? An interesting idea but regrettably one that marks you out as an idiot.
