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7 months ago

in Pagan Christianity(?)… my thoughts on The Matt Scott
I've read "Reimagining", and found it to be quite compelling. Far from being just another diatribe against the church, it sets forth a beautiful vision of the church based on the eternal purposes of God. It seeks to woo us back from our institutional wanderings to the very heart of our God.

I would certainly recommend reading the book before jumping to conclusions about the author’s intent. I believe he addresses such things as church unity, leadership, buildings, etc. in a biblical and compelling way. Viola is not out to dismantle the institution, but to call us that higher vision-one based upon the eternal purpose of God Himself. Has God not used fallible men in times past to help make course corrections when His people lose sight of Him? For truly this goes beyond form and function to the right and ability of the Head to direct His Body as pleases Him.

Viola makes it clear in the preface of "Reimagining" that he is not criticizing the church, which is the people of God. He desires to see the Body of Christ express itself as God intended from the beginning (p.12). He states, “the church, therefore, should not be confused with an organization, a denomination, a movement, or a leadership structure….Therefore, it’s the present practices of the church that I’m seeking to reimagine, not the church itself” (p.13).

Also, some great reviews by magazines and sample chapters of Reimagining Church are found at www.ReimaginingChurch.org .

8 months ago

in Who Stole My Church? on Reforming Church
To continue the conversation, you might want to check out the book “Reimagining Church”, by Frank Viola. It's a book that approaches this topic from a different angle. It goes deeper to the root of the problems and addresses them with practical alternatives. “Reimagining Church” is the sequel to “Pagan Christianity?”, by George Barna and Frank Viola. It’s endorsed by Leonard Sweet, Shane Claiborne, Alan Hirsch, and many others. You can read a sample chapter at http://www.ReimaginingChurch.org. It’s also available on Amazon.com.

9 months ago

in Dan Wilt on why we can’t give up on the institution on TheGeoffRe(y)port
I think it's precisely BECAUSE of love for the Church and love for Christ Himself that "Pagan" was written. We shouldn't feel bad about being disloyal to an institution. God loves the Church, but He is certainly not married to its nonbiblical practices and rituals.

Our "best friend" is not a system, but the living breathing Christ Who wants to be the true Head of His Church. If a system is preventing us from fully following our Lord, we need to have the courage to set it aside and move forward in pursuing Him.

Also, if you want to catch a glimpse of what the Church CAN be, check out the sequel to “Pagan Christianity?” that is out now. It’s called “Reimagining Church”. It picks up where “Pagan Christianity” left off and continues the conversation. (“Pagan Christianity” was never meant to be a stand alone book; it’s part one of the conversation.) “Reimagining Church” is endorsed by Leonard Sweet, Shane Claiborne, Alan Hirsch, and many others. You can read a sample chapter at http://www.ReimaginingChurch.org. It’s also available on Amazon.com. Frank is also blogging now at http://frankviola.wordpress.com/ .

10 months ago

in No more clergy? on PRAY|THE|REVOLUTION
Yes, leadership is important in the Body of Christ, but I think we've borrowed too much from the business model rather than looking closely at what leadership looks like in the New Testament.

I would certainly recommend reading the book before jumping to conclusions. I believe it addresses leadership, clergy, buildings, etc. in a biblical and compelling way. The author is not out to dismantle the institution, but to call us to a higher vision-one based upon the eternal purpose of God Himself.

Here is what other people are saying about this book. A free sample chapter can also be downloaded at www.reimaginingchurch.org

“In Reimagining Church, Frank Viola is at the top of his game, showing a serene, soaring mastery of the theology of church as organism rather than organization.”
Leonard Sweet, author of Soul Tsunami, Soul Salsa, and 11
“Dissent is a gift to the Church. It is the imagination of the prophets that continually call us back to our identity as the peculiar people of God. May Viola’s words challenge us to become the change that we want to see in the Church ... and not to settle for anything less than God’s dream for Her.”
Shane Claiborne, author of The Irresistible Revolution, activist, and recovering sinner (thesimpleway.org)

“True to form, this book contains a thoroughly consistent critique of prevailing forms of church. However, in Reimagining Church, Frank Viola also presents a positive vision of what the church can become if we truly reembraced more organic, and less institutional, forms of church. This is a no holds barred prophetic vision for the church in the twenty-first Century.”
Alan Hirsch, author of The Forgotten Ways and The Shaping of Things To Come

“Frank not only pulls fresh insights out of well-known concepts, but also keeps challenging us to go back to basics and focus on Christ himself. Thank you, Frank! This practical book will identify what church can look like when it is focused on Jesus.”
Tony Dale, author and editor of House 2 House magazine, founder of The Karis Group

“Reimagining Church is a valuable addition to the resources being produced on the subject of organic churches. Written from the perspective of a long-time practitioner, Frank conveys these concepts with his usual clarity and insight and covers many of the practical aspects of starting a church. I recommend this book to anyone interested in organic church.”
Felicity Dale, author of An Army of Ordinary People and Getting Started: A Practical Guide to Starting Simple Churches

“Reimagining Church will be certain to disturb the comfortable and comfort the disturbed at the same time. Frank Viola cuts through the fog by putting his finger on the problems of man-made churchianity, while providing a solidly biblical, practical, and strategic vision for a powerful New Testament expression of the body of Christ.”
Rad Zdero, PhD, author of The Global House Church Movement and editor of Nexus: The World House Church Movement Reader

“Reimagining Church is a readable (and livable!) description of organic, New Testament-rooted church life for the twenty-first century. Avoiding the weeds of both wooden fundamentalism and unreflective over-contextualization, Frank Viola paints a winsome and attractive portrait of a gospel people, inhabited by the Holy Spirit with God in Christ as their energetic center. Frank helps us learn from the peculiar genius of Jesus and his earliest followers, planting seeds for authentic, deeply rooted life together.”
Mike Morrell, Graduate Fellow in Emergent Studies, MA in Strategic Foresight, Regent University; zoecarnate.com


“For those who are not threatened by the idea that church must change, Reimagining Church is an absolutely timely and much-needed perspective, delivering a solid biblical vision for the body of Christ. Using the entire scope of New Testament church life, Frank Viola lays out the core values and the essential principles that must form the foundation of life together as the body of Christ. The book delivers an exceptionally hopeful, visionary picture of all that church can and should be.
Grace, blogging at http://kingdomgrace.wordpress.com

“The body of Christ has been stifled by human traditions for far too long. Reimagining Church charts a fresh course for the church that recovers the simplicity of Christ and listens seriously to what the voice of the Great Shepherd is saying to His people.”
Jon Zens, editor, Searching Together and author of A Church Building Every ½ Mile: What Makes American Christianity Tick?

“If Pagan Christianity? exposes the reality that much of our current church practice has little basis in the Bible, Reimagining Church takes the next step to establish what truly biblical church life looks like. With the inner life of the Trinity as the starting point, Viola paints an amazing picture of organic church life.”
John White, community facilitator, LK10: A Community of Practice for Church Planters
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John Burton I'll definitely have to pick up the book. Of course, my comments have nothing to do with the content of the book since I've not read it. But, the topic of the book is intriguing.

The concern I have is this- can a church movement be both organic and strategic? It's so radically important that we understand that the church is very much an organization. It's a organized group that has it's members unified and in position ready to receive mission critical instructions from apostolic leadership.

If a church is birthed on organic relationship, it will fail. However, if it's birthed on strategic unity, it will be supernaturally charged.

To birth a church on relationship will cause it to be extremely at risk of disagreement, offense, gossip, apathy and a myriad of differing opinions.

But to birth a church on unity will result in great strength that will stand the test of many trials. Opinions, personal viewpoints, desires and other issues will be nailed to the cross for the sake of corporate agreement.

It's the 'money changers principle' that I talk about so often. An organic movement can tend to be fueled by personal desire. We are a part of an organization because of what we can get out of it. That's the same thing the money changers did. The went into the temple with the expectation of leaving with more than they entered with.

Jesus turned over the tables and declared that it is a house of prayer for all nations. We must go into the temple with the expectation of leaving with less than we entered with. We are there not to develop relationships, hear great teaching, etc. Our primary responsibility is to be unified in the place of prayer.

From that relationship will certainly be strong, teaching will be anointed and other ministries will thrive.

11 months ago

in Reading and responding to “Pagan Christianity” - introduction on God unBoxed
The sequel to “Pagan Christianity?” is out now. It’s called “Reimagining Church”. It picks up where “Pagan Christianity” left off and continues the conversation. (“Pagan Christianity” was never meant to be a stand alone book; it’s part one of the conversation.) “Reimagining Church” is endorsed by Leonard Sweet, Shane Claiborne, Alan Hirsch, and many others. You can read a sample chapter at http://www.ReimaginingChurch.org. It’s also available on Amazon.com. Frank is also blogging now at http://frankviola.wordpress.com/
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Pete Renucci Jill, give me a call or email me if you'd like to talk about biblical organic churches some more.
My email is peterenucci@hotmail.com

11 months ago

in Pagan Christianity argues church ‘unbiblical’ on Think Christian
The sequel to “Pagan Christianity?” is out now. It’s called “Reimagining Church”. It picks up where “Pagan Christianity” left off and continues the conversation. (“Pagan Christianity” was never meant to be a stand alone book; it’s part one of the conversation.) “Reimagining Church” is endorsed by Leonard Sweet, Shane Claiborne, Alan Hirsch, and many others. You can read a sample chapter at http://www.ReimaginingChurch.org. It’s also available on Amazon.com. Frank is also blogging now at http://frankviola.wordpress.com/

11 months ago

in The Emerging Church In America on Missio Dei
The sequel to “Pagan Christianity?” is out now. It’s called “Reimagining Church”. It picks up where “Pagan Christianity” left off and continues the conversation. (“Pagan Christianity” was never meant to be a stand alone book; it’s part one of the conversation.) “Reimagining Church” is endorsed by Leonard Sweet, Shane Claiborne, Alan Hirsch, and many others. You can read a sample chapter at http://www.ReimaginingChurch.org. It’s also available on Amazon.com. Frank is also blogging now at http://frankviola.wordpress.com/

11 months ago

in Pagan Christianity? on the Jesus Manifesto
The sequel to “Pagan Christianity?” is out now. It’s called “Reimagining Church”. It picks up where “Pagan Christianity” left off and continues the conversation. (“Pagan Christianity” was never meant to be a stand alone book; it’s part one of the conversation.) “Reimagining Church” is endorsed by Leonard Sweet, Shane Claiborne, Alan Hirsch, and many others. You can read a sample chapter at http://www.ReimaginingChurch.org. It’s also available on Amazon.com. Frank is also blogging now at http://frankviola.wordpress.com/

11 months ago

in the Jesus Manifesto » Maintenance Mode on the Jesus Manifesto
The sequel to “Pagan Christianity?” is out now. It’s called “Reimagining Church”. It picks up where “Pagan Christianity” left off and continues the conversation. (“Pagan Christianity” was never meant to be a stand alone book; it’s part one of the conversation.) “Reimagining Church” is endorsed by Leonard Sweet, Shane Claiborne, Alan Hirsch, and many others. You can read a sample chapter at http://www.ReimaginingChurch.org. It’s also available on Amazon.com. Frank is also blogging now at http://frankviola.wordpress.com/

11 months ago

in Becoming Anabaptist… on Hand to the Plough
The sequel to “Pagan Christianity?” is out now. It’s called “Reimagining Church”. It picks up where “Pagan Christianity” left off and continues the conversation. (“Pagan Christianity” was never meant to be a stand alone book; it’s part one of the conversation.) “Reimagining Church” is endorsed by Leonard Sweet, Shane Claiborne, Alan Hirsch, and many others. You can read a sample chapter at http://www.ReimaginingChurch.org. It’s also available on Amazon.com. Frank is also blogging now at http://frankviola.wordpress.com/

11 months ago

in Pagan Christianity? on the Jesus Manifesto
The sequel to “Pagan Christianity?” is out now. It’s called “Reimagining Church”. It picks up where “Pagan Christianity” left off and continues the conversation. (“Pagan Christianity” was never meant to be a stand alone book; it’s part one of the conversation.) “Reimagining Church” is endorsed by Leonard Sweet, Shane Claiborne, Alan Hirsch, and many others. You can read a sample chapter at http://www.ReimaginingChurch.org. It’s also available on Amazon.com. Frank is also blogging now at http://frankviola.wordpress.com/
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hewhocutsdown Thanks. Still waiting for my copy on that one though. :)

11 months ago

in the Jesus Manifesto » Maintenance Mode on the Jesus Manifesto
The sequel to “Pagan Christianity?” is out now. It’s called “Reimagining Church”. It picks up where “Pagan Christianity” left off and continues the conversation. (“Pagan Christianity” was never meant to be a stand alone book; it’s part one of the conversation.) “Reimagining Church” is endorsed by Leonard Sweet, Shane Claiborne, Alan Hirsch, and many others. You can read a sample chapter at http://www.ReimaginingChurch.org. It’s also available on Amazon.com. Frank is also blogging now at http://frankviola.wordpress.com/
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