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2 months ago

in Stoicism 101: A Practical Guide for Entrepreneurs on The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss
@Robert

Believe it or not Cicero has an essay on just the topic you mentioned (could you be happy while on the rack being tortured?) Perhaps someone else could take a crack at answering but it could be possible, especially with a mix of some Epicurean principles. No one ever said it would be easy or fun or painfree, though. That's your straw man.
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chrisb I'll take a crack.

I will rephrase the question to be, "Can a philosopher remain happy despite torture?"

The stoic James Stockdale, USN (1923 – 2005) answers yes.

From "The Stoic Warrior's Triad":

"In a crucible like a torture prison, you reflect, you silently study what makes those about you tick. Once I had taken the measure of my torture guard, watched his eyes as he worked, watched him move,felt him move as he stood on my slumped-over back and cinched up the ropes pulling my shoulders together, I came to know that there was good in him. That was ironic because when he first came in with the new commissar when torture was instigated after I got there, I had nicknamed him "Pigeye" becauseof the total vacancy of the stare of the one eye he presented as he peeked through cell door peepholes. He was my age, balding and wiry, quick, lithe and strong, like an athletic trainer. He was totally emotionless, thus his emotionless eyes. He had almost no English-language capability, just motions and grunts. Under orders, he put me through the ropes 15 times over the years, and rebroke my bad leg once, I feel sure inadvertently. It was a court martial scene and he was having to give me the ropes before a board of North Vietnamese officers. The officers sat at a long table before Pigeye and me, and behind us was a semi-circle of soldiers bearing rifles with fixed bayonets at a kind of "dangle" position, the bayonet pointing at the cement floor ahead of them. This was in the "knobby" torture room of "New Guy Village" at Hoa Lo prison in August 1967-so-called because the walls had been crudely speckled with blobs of cement the size of an ice cream scoop in a "soundproofing" attempt. I could tell Pigeye was nervous because of these officers whom I had never seen before, and I don't think he had, and he pressed me flat over my bad leg instead of the good one he had always put the tension on before. The healing knee cartilage gave way with a loud "pop," and the officers looked at each other and then got up and left. I couldn't get off that floor and onto my feet for nearly two months. In all those years, we probably had no more than 24 hours, one-on-one together. But neither of us ever broke the code of an unvaryingly strict "line of duty" relationship. He never tricked me, always played it straight, and I begged no mercy. I admired that in him, and I could tell he did in me. And when people say: "He was a torturer, didn't you hate him?" I say, like Solzehnitsyn, to the astonishment of,those about me, "No, he was a good soldier, never overstepped his line of duty." By that time, I had learned that fear and guilt are the real pincers that break men's wills. I would chant under my breath as I was marched to interrogation, knowing that I must refuse to comply, and take the ropes: "Your eyes must show no fear; they must show no guilt." The North Vietnamese had learned never to take a prisoner "downtown"-to the payoff for what our
whole treatment regime was about-public propaganda exploitation-unless he was truly intimidated, unless they were sure he felt fear. Their threats had no meaning unless you felt fear. They had suffered the political damage of several, including myself, who had acted up, spoken up, and blurted out the truth to the hand-picked audience of foreigners at the press conference. Book IV of Discourses: "When a man who has set his will neither on dying nor upon living at any cost, comes into the presence of the tyrant, what is there to prevent him from being without fear? Nothing."

http://www.usna.edu/Ethics/Publications/stoicis...

2 months ago

in Stoicism 101: A Practical Guide for Entrepreneurs on The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss
@Leonard,

I would actually recommend NOT reading the free online texts. Some are as much as 100 years old and written in a completely different style. Part of the reason that philosophy is so inaccessible is the reliance on old texts that use colloquialisms the reader no longer understands.

Marcus never said "Thou" and that phrase was only common in English for a few centuries. In 2009, using thou instead of "you" is alienating.

The new translations are fantastic. Try them.

Ryan

2 months ago

in Stoicism 101: A Practical Guide for Entrepreneurs on The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss
@Chris

Marcus wrote a large part of Meditations on campaign in Germany. The Stoics often wrote in the morning and at night as a well to prepare and reflect on the day. It's meditative primarily in the sense that the intended audience was often THEMSELVES and not other people.

So when Marcus writes "Remember to always..." what he is sort of saying is "Marcus, I am reminding you to always...because you forgot it earlier today and it caused you problems."

I try to do it as often as I can. On my site, my goal is to digest what I'm learning out loud as way to hold myself accountable through my readers but I like to observe the same principles.

@Sherry
I think the fairest thing to say is that they're both equally similar to each other. It's probably a good thing that they developed the principles independently of each other because it means there is some deep human truth to them rather than just "respect for something old"

2 months ago

in Stoicism 101: A Practical Guide for Entrepreneurs on The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss
@ Tom
"What are the facts?" is a perfect modern translation of a Stoic exercise. A common theme in Epictetus and then later in Marcus is to look at a situation and say "What part of this is under my control and what part is out of it?" Then only worry about the first part.

2 months ago

in Stoicism 101: A Practical Guide for Entrepreneurs on The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss
@Carter

It is EXACTLY like cognitive behavior therapy. The two are very similar and I think that's why it has been so effective for 2,000 years.

@Jack
Christianity v Stoicism is an interesting discussion all by itself. For some reason, Christianity viewed Stoicism as a threat early on (even though Christianity came after) despite how similar they are. John Stuart Mill once asked whether the world would be a better place if people replaced the Bible with Aurelius' Meditations. For me though, I like Stoicisms emphasis on taking responsibility for oneself rather than giving it to God. Prayer is much more theoretical and mental than the Spiritual exercises are.

2 months ago

in Stoicism 101: A Practical Guide for Entrepreneurs on The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss
@Rod

I can't believe I didn't remember this but I actually interviewed Gregory Hays last year. It's worth reading for anyone who is on the fence about reading the book. You get the sense that Hays understood Aurelius much deeper than other authors had and that's why his writing seems more genuine.

http://www.ryanholiday.net/archives/mediations_...

2 months ago

in Stoicism 101: A Practical Guide for Entrepreneurs on The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss
@Sean

Socrates was an expert at spiritual exercises. If you can run a Socratic dialog on yourself you can convince yourself to abandon almost any negative or destructive thought.

@Doc,

The Hays translation of The Meditations is so basic and so straightforward that I have a few copies I like to give to people. It sells itself. One of the important tenets of Stoicism though, or at least where it differs from Christianity, is that it's not necessarily evangelical. We all have a lot of work left to do on ourselves before we should worry to much about converting others.

4 months ago

in One Thing You Don't Need To Be An Entrepreneur: A College Degree on A VC
Fred,

What many people fail to consider is what that "place" is like for the person leaving college or deciding not to go at all? It's terrifying, frankly. Parents should provide a safety net - not necessarily a financial one, but a level of moral support that encourages risk and self-confidence. What's the worst that can happen with someone leaves school? I mean really, the worst. Has anyone ever died from it?

Most people will fail. In which case they should be in a position where the result is not so traumatic that they never bet on themselves again.

4 months ago

in One Thing You Don't Need To Be An Entrepreneur: A College Degree on A VC
"College degree is necessary for everything else but being an entrepreneur"

I would disagree with this too. A college degree is necessary when the person's work and personal qualifications aren't enough. That's it.

There are plenty of companies that hire people without college degrees to all sorts of things. I think if you look at the places that require a degree you'll find they need more proof that just work credentials can provide.

4 months ago

in Journalism, or irresponsible rumour-mongering? on Mathew's comments
This is going to be an interesting reality to deal with going forward. Blogs, because they're are more of them and can respond faster, get more stories right in the aggregate. But on an individual basis there are going to be complete disasters like this one. So, how does society learn to adjust and "deal with it"? I'm not sure. The influence of a blog like TechCrunch is so big that the damage from its mistakes reverberate everywhere.

We face the same question with Wikipedia. In the long run, the amount of knowledge it puts in people's hands is spectacular. But the consequences of a false report are still very real. If Last.Fm was a publicly traded company what would TC's report have done to the stock price over the last few days?

I'd be curious to see with what solutions you think there are Matt.
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mathewi That's a good question, Ryan. I guess the simple solution is -- try harder :-) But seriously, I think journalists (broadly defined) have to resist the urge to publish immediately and damn the consequences -- but readers also have to learn to think critically about what they're reading, regardless of where it is published -- on a blog, or in a mainstream newspaper.

4 months ago

in Napoleon on News and Information Management (Plus: Video on Outsourcing E-mail and More) on The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss
AHH, Tim this one is the best:

"Space, I can recover. Time, never." - Napoleon

5 months ago

in What If Your Model Is Wrong? on A VC
If the President's job isn't at the most fundamental level to influence the direction, tone and ethics of a nation, I'm not sure you could really ever call him a leader. Would you honestly say that the role of General is to decide only where battles are fought but not how and why? That's ridiculous.
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Andy Freeman The President is not the General of the country.

For example, a General can order soldiers to things. A president doesn't get to order most folks.

6 months ago

in Pepsi & Twitter as early-warning device on Mathew's comments
The one thing I think people are forgetting to raise is this: Is the audience on Twitter really the canary you want to trust? There is certainly a pretty skewing self-selection bias there that doesn't reflect much of the population and in fact is dominated by a very specific type of person. Is that person that person that you're attempting to appeal to? Because if it's not, it doesn't matter if they're upset by your ad or not.

I just know Microsoft probably made a mistake using blog reception to judge their Seinfeld commercials considering that the entire point of the campaign was to appeal to normal people, not techies.

I think that may be something brands should consider.
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mathewi I think you're right, Ryan -- I made a similar point in a column I wrote for the Globe about the Motrin episode: http://tinyurl.com/5j3kx8

7 months ago

in Talking Blackberry on A VC
Fred,

I agree with you but have to raise a constant issue I have: the trackball. I am on my 4th blackberry having completely worn out the trackball. I had at 8830 with the trackwheel that never had any problems and when I was upgraded, I got stuck with the trackball.

Being that I'm not 40 years old, I can't wear a pda holster and have to keep it in the backpocket in my jeans. I can feel it on this phone that I'm about a month away from having to replace it (topping out at about 2 months usage). I only use blackberries because of the keyboard but the trackball is forcing me to have to reconsider.
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fredwilson i can't wear a holster either. try the front pocket. that's what i do. sitting on the phone might not be so great for it!

8 months ago

in Ze Frank knows about community on Mathew's comments
Mathew,

I tend to understand where you're coming from normally and appreciate that it comes from a different angle than most tech writers. I've spoken with Ze Frank befoe and generally agree that he's prescient with his moves, but how is this knowing his community? I don't see what this even has to do with community at all. He asked a question and people answered. You don't think this might be a reach?
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mathewi I appreciate that it might be a stretch, Ryan, but it wasn't so much about knowing his community as actually having built a community that felt comfortable contributing those kinds of thoughts with so little encouragement or prompting.

I could be wrong, but I don't think most people, or even most blogs, would get that many heartfelt comments with so little effort. Ze has shown time and time again that he has built a huge and devoted community, and this was just another small example of that. Maybe I didn't really make my case very well.

In any case, thanks for the comment.

8 months ago

in How Not to Use a Lawyer - A Personal Case Study (Plus: Protocol Marketing correction) on The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss
Pmen - I think it was Richard Feynman who said that if a scientist can't explain their research so that a normal person can understand, they've failed. If a lawyer can't communicate with people who aren't lawyers, they've done more than fail. They're worthless.

11 months ago

in Fail Dogs on Fail Dogs
Hanno you're so a good widdle puppy

1 year ago

in Disappearing comments on Tumblr blogs on DISQUS Blog and Forum
Awesome. Your post was extremely helpful - I had no idea about the changes, noticed a glitch, logged on to Disqus and was instantly informed. Really appreciate it.

1 year ago

in Wikinomics » Blog Archive » Build it and they will come on Wikinomics
That the deadpool is filled with all sorts of neat social networks ought to be reason enough to realize that it takes more than just a field or a few cool collaborative tools.

The Field of Dreams analogy works when you understand how PASSIONATE Kevin Costner's character was - that it was the cumulative effort of a lifelong obsession that made them come not that he cut down some corn stalks and chalked out a baseline.

1 year ago

in Ancestral bones on Paulo Coelho's Blog
"Alexander the Great and his mule driver both died and the same thing happened to both. They were absorbed alike into the life-force of the world, or dissolved alike into atoms." Marcus Aurelius, The Meditations.

Please don't stop doing this.

1 year ago

in Music: Snapshot of an industry in turmoil on Mathew's comments
Have you read The Pirate's Dilemma?r
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mathewi I haven't, but I'm planning to. As soon as I can find a torrent of it :-)

1 year ago

in What if you protected personal time as “family time”? on The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss
I need to start f*cking following this. It's going to be a long, dark, miserable road if I don't.

1 year ago

in Sell the result, not the tool on Duct Tape Marketing
"People don't buy paint, they buy painted walls."
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