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2 years ago
in A Letter To Religious Moderates on dmiessler.com | grep understanding
There is both context and translation. Leviticus 20.13 would be more correctly read as a man who lies in the marrage bed with another man.
In the Hebrew.
יג וְאִישׁ, אֲשֶׁר יִשְׁכַּב אֶת-זָכָר מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה--תּוֹעֵבָה עָשׂוּ, שְׁנֵיהֶם; מוֹת יוּמָתוּ, דְּמֵיהֶם בָּם.
It is also better translated as being an affront that will result in death in the spiritual sense. This is God and not mankind gets to enact death.
Craig
In the Hebrew.
יג וְאִישׁ, אֲשֶׁר יִשְׁכַּב אֶת-זָכָר מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה--תּוֹעֵבָה עָשׂוּ, שְׁנֵיהֶם; מוֹת יוּמָתוּ, דְּמֵיהֶם בָּם.
It is also better translated as being an affront that will result in death in the spiritual sense. This is God and not mankind gets to enact death.
Craig
2 years ago
in A Letter To Religious Moderates on danielmiessler.com | grep understanding
There is both context and translation. Leviticus 20.13 would be more correctly read as a man who lies in the marrage bed with another man.
In the Hebrew.
יג וְאִישׁ, אֲשֶׁר יִשְׁכַּב אֶת-זָכָר מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה--תּוֹעֵבָה עָשׂוּ, שְׁנֵיהֶם; מוֹת יוּמָתוּ, דְּמֵיהֶם בָּם.
It is also better translated as being an affront that will result in death in the spiritual sense. This is God and not mankind gets to enact death.
Craig
In the Hebrew.
יג וְאִישׁ, אֲשֶׁר יִשְׁכַּב אֶת-זָכָר מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה--תּוֹעֵבָה עָשׂוּ, שְׁנֵיהֶם; מוֹת יוּמָתוּ, דְּמֵיהֶם בָּם.
It is also better translated as being an affront that will result in death in the spiritual sense. This is God and not mankind gets to enact death.
Craig
2 years ago
in The Bible Is Fiction: A Collection Of Evidence on danielmiessler.com | grep understanding
Sion,
I see that there are also levels of belief in religion as well. There is the extreme view where people assume that the text is the works of a diety personally, and there is also the other where it is a guide to interpretation from individuals.
There are also scientists who have a belief in a diety, but do not believe that the text of the bible for instance is word for word as what occured, rather, and to take from J Cohen, "lies we tell children". In this view, the words could be interpreted as a simple way to explain to a simple people an idea.
I do not agree with the creationist idea, and there are holes in the theory, but it comes to extremes on either side.
Regards,
Craig
I see that there are also levels of belief in religion as well. There is the extreme view where people assume that the text is the works of a diety personally, and there is also the other where it is a guide to interpretation from individuals.
There are also scientists who have a belief in a diety, but do not believe that the text of the bible for instance is word for word as what occured, rather, and to take from J Cohen, "lies we tell children". In this view, the words could be interpreted as a simple way to explain to a simple people an idea.
I do not agree with the creationist idea, and there are holes in the theory, but it comes to extremes on either side.
Regards,
Craig
2 years ago
in The Bible Is Fiction: A Collection Of Evidence on dmiessler.com | grep understanding
Sion,
I see that there are also levels of belief in religion as well. There is the extreme view where people assume that the text is the works of a diety personally, and there is also the other where it is a guide to interpretation from individuals.
There are also scientists who have a belief in a diety, but do not believe that the text of the bible for instance is word for word as what occured, rather, and to take from J Cohen, "lies we tell children". In this view, the words could be interpreted as a simple way to explain to a simple people an idea.
I do not agree with the creationist idea, and there are holes in the theory, but it comes to extremes on either side.
Regards,
Craig
I see that there are also levels of belief in religion as well. There is the extreme view where people assume that the text is the works of a diety personally, and there is also the other where it is a guide to interpretation from individuals.
There are also scientists who have a belief in a diety, but do not believe that the text of the bible for instance is word for word as what occured, rather, and to take from J Cohen, "lies we tell children". In this view, the words could be interpreted as a simple way to explain to a simple people an idea.
I do not agree with the creationist idea, and there are holes in the theory, but it comes to extremes on either side.
Regards,
Craig
2 years ago
in The Bible Is Fiction: A Collection Of Evidence on danielmiessler.com | grep understanding
Jason,
Based on your rant above and your claim to be a supporter of Jung. Please note that your reference to Ego is simply wrong. I could categorically make this assertion alone the manner of your reply. I could also argue the point and choose to learn. I could take a view from common concepts and liturgy. I could likewise take the view of Freud (2 goods things about Freud, he was wrong and he is dead).
You have rather decided to attack. A function of the ID.
The ID is a function which consists of amoral, irrational, driving instincts for sexual gratification, aggression, and general physical and sensual pleasure. The ID is a drive to lose control and lash out.
The superego constitutes of the external moral imperatives and expectations imposed on the personality by its society and culture. The ego stands as the mediator between the impulses of the id and the asceticism of the superego.
The ID, being dominated by the pleasure principle is what you have to have flexed. The ego (Das Ich) mediates the ID maintaining a state of control. One of the functions of the Ego is to repress the ID and provide tolerance.
I will leave you with this:
"You always become the thing you fight the most".
Jung, "Diagnosing the Dictators." Hearst's International Cosmopolitan, January 1939 pp.22
Based on your rant above and your claim to be a supporter of Jung. Please note that your reference to Ego is simply wrong. I could categorically make this assertion alone the manner of your reply. I could also argue the point and choose to learn. I could take a view from common concepts and liturgy. I could likewise take the view of Freud (2 goods things about Freud, he was wrong and he is dead).
You have rather decided to attack. A function of the ID.
The ID is a function which consists of amoral, irrational, driving instincts for sexual gratification, aggression, and general physical and sensual pleasure. The ID is a drive to lose control and lash out.
The superego constitutes of the external moral imperatives and expectations imposed on the personality by its society and culture. The ego stands as the mediator between the impulses of the id and the asceticism of the superego.
The ID, being dominated by the pleasure principle is what you have to have flexed. The ego (Das Ich) mediates the ID maintaining a state of control. One of the functions of the Ego is to repress the ID and provide tolerance.
I will leave you with this:
"You always become the thing you fight the most".
Jung, "Diagnosing the Dictators." Hearst's International Cosmopolitan, January 1939 pp.22
2 years ago
in The Bible Is Fiction: A Collection Of Evidence on dmiessler.com | grep understanding
Jason,
Based on your rant above and your claim to be a supporter of Jung. Please note that your reference to Ego is simply wrong. I could categorically make this assertion alone the manner of your reply. I could also argue the point and choose to learn. I could take a view from common concepts and liturgy. I could likewise take the view of Freud (2 goods things about Freud, he was wrong and he is dead).
You have rather decided to attack. A function of the ID.
The ID is a function which consists of amoral, irrational, driving instincts for sexual gratification, aggression, and general physical and sensual pleasure. The ID is a drive to lose control and lash out.
The superego constitutes of the external moral imperatives and expectations imposed on the personality by its society and culture. The ego stands as the mediator between the impulses of the id and the asceticism of the superego.
The ID, being dominated by the pleasure principle is what you have to have flexed. The ego (Das Ich) mediates the ID maintaining a state of control. One of the functions of the Ego is to repress the ID and provide tolerance.
I will leave you with this:
"You always become the thing you fight the most".
Jung, "Diagnosing the Dictators." Hearst's International Cosmopolitan, January 1939 pp.22
Based on your rant above and your claim to be a supporter of Jung. Please note that your reference to Ego is simply wrong. I could categorically make this assertion alone the manner of your reply. I could also argue the point and choose to learn. I could take a view from common concepts and liturgy. I could likewise take the view of Freud (2 goods things about Freud, he was wrong and he is dead).
You have rather decided to attack. A function of the ID.
The ID is a function which consists of amoral, irrational, driving instincts for sexual gratification, aggression, and general physical and sensual pleasure. The ID is a drive to lose control and lash out.
The superego constitutes of the external moral imperatives and expectations imposed on the personality by its society and culture. The ego stands as the mediator between the impulses of the id and the asceticism of the superego.
The ID, being dominated by the pleasure principle is what you have to have flexed. The ego (Das Ich) mediates the ID maintaining a state of control. One of the functions of the Ego is to repress the ID and provide tolerance.
I will leave you with this:
"You always become the thing you fight the most".
Jung, "Diagnosing the Dictators." Hearst's International Cosmopolitan, January 1939 pp.22
2 years ago
in The Bible Is Fiction: A Collection Of Evidence on danielmiessler.com | grep understanding
Just a little more.
I would suggest a read of:
"Satan: From Toad to Atlas" Ann Gossman (1976)
Ovid created the story that we currently know of Pandora (though this was based on the tales of Hesiod). This is the common story with the box of ills known today. The common myth prior to this time and the one which makes more sense is the one I alluded to.
Homer has another (and dichotomous) version of the myth where there are two jars:
“There are two urns that stand on the door sill of Zeus. They are unlike.
For the gifts they bestow, an urn of evils, an earn of blessings.
But when Zeus bestows from the urn of sorrows he makes a failure
Of man, and the evil hunger drives him over the shining
earth, and he wanders respected of neither gods
nor mortals.”
The ancient Greek concept of evil as embedded and spread by the female gender was propagated in a number of these stories. The origin myth was one where, as I stated, Pandora was issued a jar with the gifts of the Gods. There is a large amount of literature that explores the supposition that the commonly known Pandora myth was an anti-feminine invention of the poet Hesiod (First in Works and Days and subsequently in the Theogony).
The word Pandora means “she to whom all gifts were given”. See it how it is, I however prefer the original and not the updated version of the Myth. The original was a jar or urn of all the gifts to mankind and in my opinion this makes more sense. After all having hope hiding with evil (as Bullfinch alluded in 1855) is a little incongruous.
In either case it is a discourse on myth, neither of which is true. I prefer the story of the woman carrying the gift of the gods. The origin of this relating to the concept of pregnancy, life and birth. Hesiod believed that there was a golden age where there were only men. His story argues that the inception of woman was the root of all evil in the world.
See:
Ellen D. Reeder, Pandora's Box: Women in Classical Greece (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1995) 201.
I would suggest a read of:
"Satan: From Toad to Atlas" Ann Gossman (1976)
Ovid created the story that we currently know of Pandora (though this was based on the tales of Hesiod). This is the common story with the box of ills known today. The common myth prior to this time and the one which makes more sense is the one I alluded to.
Homer has another (and dichotomous) version of the myth where there are two jars:
“There are two urns that stand on the door sill of Zeus. They are unlike.
For the gifts they bestow, an urn of evils, an earn of blessings.
But when Zeus bestows from the urn of sorrows he makes a failure
Of man, and the evil hunger drives him over the shining
earth, and he wanders respected of neither gods
nor mortals.”
The ancient Greek concept of evil as embedded and spread by the female gender was propagated in a number of these stories. The origin myth was one where, as I stated, Pandora was issued a jar with the gifts of the Gods. There is a large amount of literature that explores the supposition that the commonly known Pandora myth was an anti-feminine invention of the poet Hesiod (First in Works and Days and subsequently in the Theogony).
The word Pandora means “she to whom all gifts were given”. See it how it is, I however prefer the original and not the updated version of the Myth. The original was a jar or urn of all the gifts to mankind and in my opinion this makes more sense. After all having hope hiding with evil (as Bullfinch alluded in 1855) is a little incongruous.
In either case it is a discourse on myth, neither of which is true. I prefer the story of the woman carrying the gift of the gods. The origin of this relating to the concept of pregnancy, life and birth. Hesiod believed that there was a golden age where there were only men. His story argues that the inception of woman was the root of all evil in the world.
See:
Ellen D. Reeder, Pandora's Box: Women in Classical Greece (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1995) 201.
2 years ago
in The Bible Is Fiction: A Collection Of Evidence on dmiessler.com | grep understanding
Just a little more.
I would suggest a read of:
"Satan: From Toad to Atlas" Ann Gossman (1976)
Ovid created the story that we currently know of Pandora (though this was based on the tales of Hesiod). This is the common story with the box of ills known today. The common myth prior to this time and the one which makes more sense is the one I alluded to.
Homer has another (and dichotomous) version of the myth where there are two jars:
“There are two urns that stand on the door sill of Zeus. They are unlike.
For the gifts they bestow, an urn of evils, an earn of blessings.
But when Zeus bestows from the urn of sorrows he makes a failure
Of man, and the evil hunger drives him over the shining
earth, and he wanders respected of neither gods
nor mortals.”
The ancient Greek concept of evil as embedded and spread by the female gender was propagated in a number of these stories. The origin myth was one where, as I stated, Pandora was issued a jar with the gifts of the Gods. There is a large amount of literature that explores the supposition that the commonly known Pandora myth was an anti-feminine invention of the poet Hesiod (First in Works and Days and subsequently in the Theogony).
The word Pandora means “she to whom all gifts were given”. See it how it is, I however prefer the original and not the updated version of the Myth. The original was a jar or urn of all the gifts to mankind and in my opinion this makes more sense. After all having hope hiding with evil (as Bullfinch alluded in 1855) is a little incongruous.
In either case it is a discourse on myth, neither of which is true. I prefer the story of the woman carrying the gift of the gods. The origin of this relating to the concept of pregnancy, life and birth. Hesiod believed that there was a golden age where there were only men. His story argues that the inception of woman was the root of all evil in the world.
See:
Ellen D. Reeder, Pandora's Box: Women in Classical Greece (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1995) 201.
I would suggest a read of:
"Satan: From Toad to Atlas" Ann Gossman (1976)
Ovid created the story that we currently know of Pandora (though this was based on the tales of Hesiod). This is the common story with the box of ills known today. The common myth prior to this time and the one which makes more sense is the one I alluded to.
Homer has another (and dichotomous) version of the myth where there are two jars:
“There are two urns that stand on the door sill of Zeus. They are unlike.
For the gifts they bestow, an urn of evils, an earn of blessings.
But when Zeus bestows from the urn of sorrows he makes a failure
Of man, and the evil hunger drives him over the shining
earth, and he wanders respected of neither gods
nor mortals.”
The ancient Greek concept of evil as embedded and spread by the female gender was propagated in a number of these stories. The origin myth was one where, as I stated, Pandora was issued a jar with the gifts of the Gods. There is a large amount of literature that explores the supposition that the commonly known Pandora myth was an anti-feminine invention of the poet Hesiod (First in Works and Days and subsequently in the Theogony).
The word Pandora means “she to whom all gifts were given”. See it how it is, I however prefer the original and not the updated version of the Myth. The original was a jar or urn of all the gifts to mankind and in my opinion this makes more sense. After all having hope hiding with evil (as Bullfinch alluded in 1855) is a little incongruous.
In either case it is a discourse on myth, neither of which is true. I prefer the story of the woman carrying the gift of the gods. The origin of this relating to the concept of pregnancy, life and birth. Hesiod believed that there was a golden age where there were only men. His story argues that the inception of woman was the root of all evil in the world.
See:
Ellen D. Reeder, Pandora's Box: Women in Classical Greece (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1995) 201.
2 years ago
in The Bible Is Fiction: A Collection Of Evidence on dmiessler.com | grep understanding
As a final response, your not having heard of the toad defence makes this not true? This seems to be the general idea you seek to portray?
Milton's Satan metamorphoses into cormorant, toad, and snake. The idea was common in his time. “Squat like a toad, close at the ear of Eve.” There are several references to a number of animals – it is just set as a serpent with the advent of modern printing. I am not the first with the idea and it is not my idea. The idea was proposed by a number of rabbinical scholars the translation should more correctly have been a toad in the bible.
As for your assertion of the animal messenger, I have to agree with you on this point. I see that you believe that you are more knowledgeable, I have not seen evidence of this. You do realise that the world of psychology has moved on from Carl Gustav Jung? He is a good read and his philosophy is interesting, but it is rather dated.
Regards,
Craig
See John Milton's "Paradise Lost"
Milton's Satan metamorphoses into cormorant, toad, and snake. The idea was common in his time. “Squat like a toad, close at the ear of Eve.” There are several references to a number of animals – it is just set as a serpent with the advent of modern printing. I am not the first with the idea and it is not my idea. The idea was proposed by a number of rabbinical scholars the translation should more correctly have been a toad in the bible.
As for your assertion of the animal messenger, I have to agree with you on this point. I see that you believe that you are more knowledgeable, I have not seen evidence of this. You do realise that the world of psychology has moved on from Carl Gustav Jung? He is a good read and his philosophy is interesting, but it is rather dated.
Regards,
Craig
See John Milton's "Paradise Lost"
2 years ago
in The Bible Is Fiction: A Collection Of Evidence on danielmiessler.com | grep understanding
As a final response, your not having heard of the toad defence makes this not true? This seems to be the general idea you seek to portray?
Milton's Satan metamorphoses into cormorant, toad, and snake. The idea was common in his time. “Squat like a toad, close at the ear of Eve.” There are several references to a number of animals – it is just set as a serpent with the advent of modern printing. I am not the first with the idea and it is not my idea. The idea was proposed by a number of rabbinical scholars the translation should more correctly have been a toad in the bible.
As for your assertion of the animal messenger, I have to agree with you on this point. I see that you believe that you are more knowledgeable, I have not seen evidence of this. You do realise that the world of psychology has moved on from Carl Gustav Jung? He is a good read and his philosophy is interesting, but it is rather dated.
Regards,
Craig
See John Milton's "Paradise Lost"
Milton's Satan metamorphoses into cormorant, toad, and snake. The idea was common in his time. “Squat like a toad, close at the ear of Eve.” There are several references to a number of animals – it is just set as a serpent with the advent of modern printing. I am not the first with the idea and it is not my idea. The idea was proposed by a number of rabbinical scholars the translation should more correctly have been a toad in the bible.
As for your assertion of the animal messenger, I have to agree with you on this point. I see that you believe that you are more knowledgeable, I have not seen evidence of this. You do realise that the world of psychology has moved on from Carl Gustav Jung? He is a good read and his philosophy is interesting, but it is rather dated.
Regards,
Craig
See John Milton's "Paradise Lost"
2 years ago
in The Bible Is Fiction: A Collection Of Evidence on dmiessler.com | grep understanding
"Another story is that Pandora was sent in good faith, by Jupiter,to bless man; that she was furnished with a box, containing hermarriage presents, into which every god had put some blessing. She opened the box incautiously, and the blessings all escaped, HOPE only excepted. This story seems more probable than the former; for how could HOPE, so precious a jewel as it is, have been kept in ajar full of all manner of evils, as in the former statement?"
Bulfinch 1855
Prefer a Psycho-Analysis relateded reference (you state you like Jung))
"On Hope: Its Nature and Psychotherapy"
HN Boris - International Review of Psycho-Analysis, 1976
"by definition, aren’t “compare and contrast”"
Herbert Simon wrote a dissertation designed to compare and contrast - he has a nobel prize.
Thomas Morgan, also a nobel prize winner also compare and contrasted themes in his dissertation.
Herbert Simon also has used the same approach.
So feel free to not respond. I have references. Bulfinch is not exactly new and is taken to be a good if dated reference.
Craig
Bulfinch 1855
Prefer a Psycho-Analysis relateded reference (you state you like Jung))
"On Hope: Its Nature and Psychotherapy"
HN Boris - International Review of Psycho-Analysis, 1976
"by definition, aren’t “compare and contrast”"
Herbert Simon wrote a dissertation designed to compare and contrast - he has a nobel prize.
Thomas Morgan, also a nobel prize winner also compare and contrasted themes in his dissertation.
Herbert Simon also has used the same approach.
So feel free to not respond. I have references. Bulfinch is not exactly new and is taken to be a good if dated reference.
Craig
2 years ago
in The Bible Is Fiction: A Collection Of Evidence on danielmiessler.com | grep understanding
"Another story is that Pandora was sent in good faith, by Jupiter,to bless man; that she was furnished with a box, containing hermarriage presents, into which every god had put some blessing. She opened the box incautiously, and the blessings all escaped, HOPE only excepted. This story seems more probable than the former; for how could HOPE, so precious a jewel as it is, have been kept in ajar full of all manner of evils, as in the former statement?"
Bulfinch 1855
Prefer a Psycho-Analysis relateded reference (you state you like Jung))
"On Hope: Its Nature and Psychotherapy"
HN Boris - International Review of Psycho-Analysis, 1976
"by definition, aren’t “compare and contrast”"
Herbert Simon wrote a dissertation designed to compare and contrast - he has a nobel prize.
Thomas Morgan, also a nobel prize winner also compare and contrasted themes in his dissertation.
Herbert Simon also has used the same approach.
So feel free to not respond. I have references. Bulfinch is not exactly new and is taken to be a good if dated reference.
Craig
Bulfinch 1855
Prefer a Psycho-Analysis relateded reference (you state you like Jung))
"On Hope: Its Nature and Psychotherapy"
HN Boris - International Review of Psycho-Analysis, 1976
"by definition, aren’t “compare and contrast”"
Herbert Simon wrote a dissertation designed to compare and contrast - he has a nobel prize.
Thomas Morgan, also a nobel prize winner also compare and contrasted themes in his dissertation.
Herbert Simon also has used the same approach.
So feel free to not respond. I have references. Bulfinch is not exactly new and is taken to be a good if dated reference.
Craig
2 years ago
in The Bible Is Fiction: A Collection Of Evidence on danielmiessler.com | grep understanding
Hello Jason,
For all your rant, my arguement was that shared stories do not disprove the bible or prove it. Rather as I had stated, there is a shared theme amongst many cultures - includng those without a trade based foundation.
The result of this is that there is a similarity in story that crosses geographic boundaries. The idea I discuss is that there is some cross cultural sharing in selected areas, that this does not make for a separate story.
Regards,
Craig
For all your rant, my arguement was that shared stories do not disprove the bible or prove it. Rather as I had stated, there is a shared theme amongst many cultures - includng those without a trade based foundation.
The result of this is that there is a similarity in story that crosses geographic boundaries. The idea I discuss is that there is some cross cultural sharing in selected areas, that this does not make for a separate story.
Regards,
Craig
2 years ago
in The Bible Is Fiction: A Collection Of Evidence on dmiessler.com | grep understanding
Hello Jason,
For all your rant, my arguement was that shared stories do not disprove the bible or prove it. Rather as I had stated, there is a shared theme amongst many cultures - includng those without a trade based foundation.
The result of this is that there is a similarity in story that crosses geographic boundaries. The idea I discuss is that there is some cross cultural sharing in selected areas, that this does not make for a separate story.
Regards,
Craig
For all your rant, my arguement was that shared stories do not disprove the bible or prove it. Rather as I had stated, there is a shared theme amongst many cultures - includng those without a trade based foundation.
The result of this is that there is a similarity in story that crosses geographic boundaries. The idea I discuss is that there is some cross cultural sharing in selected areas, that this does not make for a separate story.
Regards,
Craig
2 years ago
in The Bible Is Fiction: A Collection Of Evidence on dmiessler.com | grep understanding
Tony,
You can of course take the fact that all continents have a flood myth as I stated above in this manner. The choice of belief is one that I believe to be personal. I do however believe that it has to be made on rational judgement and thought. Contrary to both Atheist and Theist belief, there are in fact holes with both. IT could be logically argued that agnostic thought is the only logical answer, but I do not like to sit on a fence – I like discourse and controversy. I am also not agnostic.
My only issue is with fundamentalism in any of its guises. This is fundamental Christian or fundamental atheist. None of us have proof and none of us can categorically prove that the belief structure that is held by others is valid or not.
Sion has the idea that we do not need to believe, but all creative thought is a type of madness and belief. Believing in rationality and what you see is still belief.
Faith and fact are both necessary tenants to the human condition. As droll as it seems, respect in belief is a valuable idea. In fact, the rational world of science works on belief. There are many things we can not explain and we have only added more.
My only tenant is that one should be able to rationalise and justify their belief and not just accept it as it seems about right.
Regards,
Craig
PS - this does not mean that I think we should all just get along either. It just means that an organised disagreement is best ;)
You can of course take the fact that all continents have a flood myth as I stated above in this manner. The choice of belief is one that I believe to be personal. I do however believe that it has to be made on rational judgement and thought. Contrary to both Atheist and Theist belief, there are in fact holes with both. IT could be logically argued that agnostic thought is the only logical answer, but I do not like to sit on a fence – I like discourse and controversy. I am also not agnostic.
My only issue is with fundamentalism in any of its guises. This is fundamental Christian or fundamental atheist. None of us have proof and none of us can categorically prove that the belief structure that is held by others is valid or not.
Sion has the idea that we do not need to believe, but all creative thought is a type of madness and belief. Believing in rationality and what you see is still belief.
Faith and fact are both necessary tenants to the human condition. As droll as it seems, respect in belief is a valuable idea. In fact, the rational world of science works on belief. There are many things we can not explain and we have only added more.
My only tenant is that one should be able to rationalise and justify their belief and not just accept it as it seems about right.
Regards,
Craig
PS - this does not mean that I think we should all just get along either. It just means that an organised disagreement is best ;)
2 years ago
in The Bible Is Fiction: A Collection Of Evidence on danielmiessler.com | grep understanding
Tony,
You can of course take the fact that all continents have a flood myth as I stated above in this manner. The choice of belief is one that I believe to be personal. I do however believe that it has to be made on rational judgement and thought. Contrary to both Atheist and Theist belief, there are in fact holes with both. IT could be logically argued that agnostic thought is the only logical answer, but I do not like to sit on a fence – I like discourse and controversy. I am also not agnostic.
My only issue is with fundamentalism in any of its guises. This is fundamental Christian or fundamental atheist. None of us have proof and none of us can categorically prove that the belief structure that is held by others is valid or not.
Sion has the idea that we do not need to believe, but all creative thought is a type of madness and belief. Believing in rationality and what you see is still belief.
Faith and fact are both necessary tenants to the human condition. As droll as it seems, respect in belief is a valuable idea. In fact, the rational world of science works on belief. There are many things we can not explain and we have only added more.
My only tenant is that one should be able to rationalise and justify their belief and not just accept it as it seems about right.
Regards,
Craig
PS - this does not mean that I think we should all just get along either. It just means that an organised disagreement is best ;)
You can of course take the fact that all continents have a flood myth as I stated above in this manner. The choice of belief is one that I believe to be personal. I do however believe that it has to be made on rational judgement and thought. Contrary to both Atheist and Theist belief, there are in fact holes with both. IT could be logically argued that agnostic thought is the only logical answer, but I do not like to sit on a fence – I like discourse and controversy. I am also not agnostic.
My only issue is with fundamentalism in any of its guises. This is fundamental Christian or fundamental atheist. None of us have proof and none of us can categorically prove that the belief structure that is held by others is valid or not.
Sion has the idea that we do not need to believe, but all creative thought is a type of madness and belief. Believing in rationality and what you see is still belief.
Faith and fact are both necessary tenants to the human condition. As droll as it seems, respect in belief is a valuable idea. In fact, the rational world of science works on belief. There are many things we can not explain and we have only added more.
My only tenant is that one should be able to rationalise and justify their belief and not just accept it as it seems about right.
Regards,
Craig
PS - this does not mean that I think we should all just get along either. It just means that an organised disagreement is best ;)
2 years ago
in Judging Risk Based On Genetic Testing on dmiessler.com | grep understanding
"I was more focusing on the idea of deciphering one’s genetic code and using it to gauge your place in society due to integration with technology that private companies would leverage."
Well this would be probabilistic at the best. One needs also to understand many other factors and genetics is just a small step right at the moment to that phase.
All genetic assessments are a complexity based assessment where we do not have much of the information.
As for personality, the Mylar casing on nerve fibres does not
complete formation until the age of 20-21 and thus there is a large amount of variation due to this alone.
Well this would be probabilistic at the best. One needs also to understand many other factors and genetics is just a small step right at the moment to that phase.
All genetic assessments are a complexity based assessment where we do not have much of the information.
As for personality, the Mylar casing on nerve fibres does not
complete formation until the age of 20-21 and thus there is a large amount of variation due to this alone.
2 years ago
in Judging Risk Based On Genetic Testing on danielmiessler.com | grep understanding
"I was more focusing on the idea of deciphering one’s genetic code and using it to gauge your place in society due to integration with technology that private companies would leverage."
Well this would be probabilistic at the best. One needs also to understand many other factors and genetics is just a small step right at the moment to that phase.
All genetic assessments are a complexity based assessment where we do not have much of the information.
As for personality, the Mylar casing on nerve fibres does not
complete formation until the age of 20-21 and thus there is a large amount of variation due to this alone.
Well this would be probabilistic at the best. One needs also to understand many other factors and genetics is just a small step right at the moment to that phase.
All genetic assessments are a complexity based assessment where we do not have much of the information.
As for personality, the Mylar casing on nerve fibres does not
complete formation until the age of 20-21 and thus there is a large amount of variation due to this alone.
2 years ago
in Judging Risk Based On Genetic Testing on danielmiessler.com | grep understanding
I agree with Carl
2 years ago
in Judging Risk Based On Genetic Testing on dmiessler.com | grep understanding
I agree with Carl
2 years ago
in Judging Risk Based On Genetic Testing on dmiessler.com | grep understanding
Make that Maternal devleopment...
2 years ago
in Judging Risk Based On Genetic Testing on danielmiessler.com | grep understanding
Make that Maternal devleopment...
2 years ago
in Judging Risk Based On Genetic Testing on dmiessler.com | grep understanding
This mirrors the ideals of eugenic thought common before the Second World War.
The idea is however flawed. Frogs have a greater amount of genetic material than humans. Many find this surprising as we are supposedly superior. Frogs however have to lay eggs in ponds that change in temperature and have to have embryos that fend for themselves.
People have a material development; we have a womb and breast feeding. As a result we have a controlled environment to develop.
There are genetic similarities, twin studies have shown this, but there are also differences – clone studies (not on humans to my knowledge) have demonstrated this in mammals.
We are a combination of both nature and nurture and the situation is reflective in this.
Take as an example a non-genetic result that has been experimentally proven. A woman with a restricted diet during pregnancy will create a child with a better than average calorific storage capability. This is the child will gain weight easier.
So the comment “Genetics indicate he’s likely to fight if we attempt to arrest him.” Is not correct. Genetics coupled with increased adrenal excretion during pregnancy maybe… This is still a little way out of reach though.
The idea is however flawed. Frogs have a greater amount of genetic material than humans. Many find this surprising as we are supposedly superior. Frogs however have to lay eggs in ponds that change in temperature and have to have embryos that fend for themselves.
People have a material development; we have a womb and breast feeding. As a result we have a controlled environment to develop.
There are genetic similarities, twin studies have shown this, but there are also differences – clone studies (not on humans to my knowledge) have demonstrated this in mammals.
We are a combination of both nature and nurture and the situation is reflective in this.
Take as an example a non-genetic result that has been experimentally proven. A woman with a restricted diet during pregnancy will create a child with a better than average calorific storage capability. This is the child will gain weight easier.
So the comment “Genetics indicate he’s likely to fight if we attempt to arrest him.” Is not correct. Genetics coupled with increased adrenal excretion during pregnancy maybe… This is still a little way out of reach though.
2 years ago
in Judging Risk Based On Genetic Testing on danielmiessler.com | grep understanding
This mirrors the ideals of eugenic thought common before the Second World War.
The idea is however flawed. Frogs have a greater amount of genetic material than humans. Many find this surprising as we are supposedly superior. Frogs however have to lay eggs in ponds that change in temperature and have to have embryos that fend for themselves.
People have a material development; we have a womb and breast feeding. As a result we have a controlled environment to develop.
There are genetic similarities, twin studies have shown this, but there are also differences – clone studies (not on humans to my knowledge) have demonstrated this in mammals.
We are a combination of both nature and nurture and the situation is reflective in this.
Take as an example a non-genetic result that has been experimentally proven. A woman with a restricted diet during pregnancy will create a child with a better than average calorific storage capability. This is the child will gain weight easier.
So the comment “Genetics indicate he’s likely to fight if we attempt to arrest him.” Is not correct. Genetics coupled with increased adrenal excretion during pregnancy maybe… This is still a little way out of reach though.
The idea is however flawed. Frogs have a greater amount of genetic material than humans. Many find this surprising as we are supposedly superior. Frogs however have to lay eggs in ponds that change in temperature and have to have embryos that fend for themselves.
People have a material development; we have a womb and breast feeding. As a result we have a controlled environment to develop.
There are genetic similarities, twin studies have shown this, but there are also differences – clone studies (not on humans to my knowledge) have demonstrated this in mammals.
We are a combination of both nature and nurture and the situation is reflective in this.
Take as an example a non-genetic result that has been experimentally proven. A woman with a restricted diet during pregnancy will create a child with a better than average calorific storage capability. This is the child will gain weight easier.
So the comment “Genetics indicate he’s likely to fight if we attempt to arrest him.” Is not correct. Genetics coupled with increased adrenal excretion during pregnancy maybe… This is still a little way out of reach though.
2 years ago
in The Bible Is Fiction: A Collection Of Evidence on danielmiessler.com | grep understanding
Before you can contend the argument that you are putting forth, there other concerns that you need to address.
You state that the association of Gilgamesh and Noah are similar enough that the bible must be associated with this text. I would argue this. These are a number of swapped stories, but I would rather see a common regional heritage in pre-historic times. There is also a possibility of mirrored experience from pre-historic events – such as the melting of the ice.
As for evidence of this hypothesis, I have mentioned a flood myth in Chinese mythology. This can be explained through Sumerian trade. What can not is The Inca, Maya, Teotihuacán and Aztec myths.
The Inca for instance had a myth where Mama Qoca punished the wicked leaving the Inca people and the lama on the highest mountains as a flood covered the earth. Eventually Illapu relented and Inti brought the sun and Cuichu the rainbow and the world dried up.
There was no trade in the timeframe that accounts for this myth. As the same myth is in the America’s, there needs to be another way to account for your supposition. This is a contradiction to shared local stories as an idea (and there are others).
My supposition as stated is a shared story dating to about pre-migration times told through verbal memory as the ice melted and peoples where separated which would be a verbal myth carried to explain a changing world following the end of the ice age. However, there is little proof as there are not any 11,000 year old written records.
You state that the association of Gilgamesh and Noah are similar enough that the bible must be associated with this text. I would argue this. These are a number of swapped stories, but I would rather see a common regional heritage in pre-historic times. There is also a possibility of mirrored experience from pre-historic events – such as the melting of the ice.
As for evidence of this hypothesis, I have mentioned a flood myth in Chinese mythology. This can be explained through Sumerian trade. What can not is The Inca, Maya, Teotihuacán and Aztec myths.
The Inca for instance had a myth where Mama Qoca punished the wicked leaving the Inca people and the lama on the highest mountains as a flood covered the earth. Eventually Illapu relented and Inti brought the sun and Cuichu the rainbow and the world dried up.
There was no trade in the timeframe that accounts for this myth. As the same myth is in the America’s, there needs to be another way to account for your supposition. This is a contradiction to shared local stories as an idea (and there are others).
My supposition as stated is a shared story dating to about pre-migration times told through verbal memory as the ice melted and peoples where separated which would be a verbal myth carried to explain a changing world following the end of the ice age. However, there is little proof as there are not any 11,000 year old written records.
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