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Re: Tim Keller at Google

Bumble — Sat, 10 May 2008 11:11:19 -0000

I think may of the questioners are "trained" by reading Dawkin Hitchen Harris.

Re: all about Asian American Churches

Bumble — Wed, 08 Dec 2004 15:56:47 -0000

I could not believe how small the Blogsphere was. I was updating my links and just realized that you and I, we both read Elijah Fan stuff...

Wow...

Re: scorched souls

Bumble — Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:13:58 -0000

This is gold! I am starting a series on my blog, http://i12know.that1.name/2005/03/road-map-for-... to articulate a road map for the 2nd generation Vietnamese American Christians here. I will use your materials and your thoughts on this matter. Thanks in advance.

Re: my lifeline

Bumble — Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:44:00 -0000

Thanks for the template! Sounds like fun...

Re: Locating the Gospel in Asian America

Bumble — Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:43:05 -0000

Thank you! I have finished the whole set. Very valuable stuff. I will use it to stimulate some thinking to a few other friends...

Re: make it happen, getting things done, bias for action

Bumble — Thu, 12 May 2005 00:52:43 -0000

Don't put too much hope in the business world either (I had an MBA before getting into seminary). But I still don't "get" the getting things done, nor the purpose driven stuff yet. I manage my time, not to do more things, but to do the right things God wants me to do. May be that's why the "be still" come from...

However, check out this link on GTD: http://www.minezone.org/wiki/MVance/GettingThin...

Re: Church as Business

Bumble — Sat, 14 May 2005 11:00:39 -0000

Thanks for the set of links. In one of the articles, it said...

"Many of today's evangelicals hope to expand their clout even further. They're also gaining by taking their views into Corporate America. Exhibit A: the recent clash at software giant Microsoft."

Does anyone know what was the "recent clash at Microsoft" about? TIA.

Re: met my match

Bumble — Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:44:00 -0000

I would love to meet up with you, but my OT final is this week. I work in Fullerton and my church's right by Westminster.

Re: another pastoral transition

Bumble — Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:09:54 -0000

dj, do you peronally know bruce at all? After going through his blog, somehow I questioned the whole thing.

How could someone specialized in Organizational Leadership, dished out church leadership lessons via his blog, yet failed to influence the board of his own church to follow his direction, especially when he started the church from scratch and had 16 years to shape its culture?

Perhaps the drive for church growth short-circuited the quality of the disciple-making process? I don't know, but I don't want to ask that painful question to Bruce at this point...

Praying for him.

Re: desparately seeking a hobby

Bumble — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 23:43:12 -0000

You need a hobby? C'mon - you disguised all your hobbies as "work", just like me. He he he...

Re: first at Starbucks + about last weekend

Bumble — Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:52:09 -0000

Last Memorial Day I went to Seattle to speak at a camp and had similar experience. What I see was not the poor performance; it's the poor physique that I had. You feverishly work on the prep, to the point of delivery you came down with fever!

I need to exercise more and improve my endurance to be like those on-fire old pastors...

Re: finding innovative leaders

Bumble — Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:32:53 -0000

Have you seen this: http://www.despair.com/un.html

Unless God calls him to lead the way, the point man always get shot first. Both Luther and Wesley were reluctant reformers...

I guess I am just too pessimisive...

Re: so few Asian Americans at the top

Bumble — Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:45:39 -0000

But then, it would be easier for Asian American to live this out: "You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant" [Mark 10:42-43]

Re: Asian American Youthworkers Forum

Bumble — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 01:16:47 -0000

Check this seminar on Korean American Church experience out: http://www.emmanuelchurch.net/2005/phileo_retre...

Great stuff!

Re: now cross-posted over to Xanga

Bumble — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:02:31 -0000

O boy, that reduces my excuse list down to 1 item: audience context. Can you pick and choose which post to cross post?

Re: fascination with hands

Bumble — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:07:47 -0000

May be it just means that some (like me) thought that there's something special about hand gesture in preaching. I have no idea who Tim Keller is...

Re: GodBlogCon over and out

Bumble — Sun, 16 Oct 2005 02:28:57 -0000

Good to see you tonight. Is my group "emerging"? You travel enough to tell me

Re: Asian Americans less spiritual and more insular

Bumble — Sat, 22 Oct 2005 03:06:17 -0000

Religious heritage is the key here. All the other ethnicity received the gospel into their culture a few hundred years before we do...

Re: the last passenger

Bumble — Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:39:22 -0000

Next time try silver color, that may made the car last longer since the car could absord more solar energy (grin)

Re: calm before the Forum

Bumble — Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:36:52 -0000

May God rewards your faithfulness in preparing for the conference and let you get a glimpse of his glory...

Re: brain games

Bumble — Mon, 21 Nov 2005 00:36:15 -0000

John Tran - is he the same one who used to be on staff with IV out of UC Riverside?

Re: offline act of kindness

Bumble — Thu, 08 Dec 2005 01:36:46 -0000

Wow - is this the fame Tim Keller whom sermon was published and quoted around so much?

Re: presentation styles of Gates vs. Jobs

Bumble — Thu, 08 Dec 2005 01:40:39 -0000

Thanks for the link to presentationzen - great stuff

Re: towards a more social web

Bumble — Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:10:34 -0000

Why don't you go to http://www.wayfaring.com and check it out - may be there's enough of demands to start a hotspot locators.

Re: online fundraising strategies worth testing

Bumble — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:32:48 -0000

Aaah, this is some good stuff - you are truly a connector!

Re: hot idea: podcast commercials

Bumble — Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:52:20 -0000

but aren't you supposed to broadcast your commercials instead of narrrowcast them? I thought the purpose was "spread the word" and not "count the respond"....

Re: Running Windows XP on MacBook Pro

Bumble — Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:54:58 -0000

Hhm, why would anyone want to run XP on Mac? I thought their OSX was supposed to be a much better OS...

Re: shopping for web hosting

Bumble — Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:11:56 -0000

Unless you do dedicated hosting, speed indicators will not be helpful because it all depends on how many other customers your web host provider can jam you in with... If you got all newbies, then no speed hit there - but if you get slashdotted often, then you are toasted.

I and my next door cube neighbor split a dedicated host at 1 and 1 hosting for $25 a month and I hosted 13 sites of my churches and my other projects on it. But of course, I would pay more for something like the FlashBack feature you talked about there.

Re: had tech issues all week

Bumble — Tue, 04 Apr 2006 01:31:15 -0000

Bummer - I know what kind of frustration you are under - I got one of those lately too (not the exact one). The funny thing is 3 weeks after the machine got infected, MS Spyware Removal or McAfee would start to pick up the signature...

By the way, I am conssider moving to WordPress, but your bug report on the broken Xanga cross-posting worried me. May be I should stick with an older version like 1.5 or something...

Yes?

Re: sociability of Asian Americans affected by Asian values

Bumble — Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:50:29 -0000

Or they are like me: haven't bought the book yet :-(

Re: People2Pray: intercessors meet web 2.0

Bumble — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:15:23 -0000

That's pretty cool - now if only it would be open-sourced so that I can intergrate it into our church website...

Re: evolution of social networking

Bumble — Thu, 20 Jul 2006 00:48:58 -0000

I think what we need are something like mychurch.org with a xianz interface. The problem I see is that we need some cyber-community based on real life f2f for authentication, but then it should be able to federated to other cyber-community in proximity (of geographic, demographic, or denominationgraphic - God forbid!)

However, we must also maintain a myspace presence because that's where we interface with the world. The network of real life friends also keep other church kids accountable in cyberspace as well...

Re: Rick Warren video sound bites

Bumble — Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:21:12 -0000

Hey DJ, thanks to your Tim Keller page, I am now his fan! I have been taking in many of his wisdom from your mp3 links. Now, unless for Rick Warren, I think I will wait til the day you post him under "wisdom" section [grin]

Re: 2 Toms reinvent strategic planning

Bumble — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 01:03:43 -0000

That's it? Can you disclose some more on what you learned?

Re: churches working together?

Bumble — Sat, 10 Feb 2007 00:51:12 -0000

In a few years we will get there, but in the mean time, he can track down Rev. Jason Kim in the Chicago area. He is with the Korean District of the CMA denomination. If you press me harder, I can cough up his email I had a two years ago.

Re: what would Keller do

Bumble — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:53:55 -0000

I've found myself asking, "What would Keller do?" when preparing for sermon. In every passage, he will eventually get you to the Gospel. That's the easy part. The hard part is answering, "How the gospel would change me..."

Re: even Keller can’t break through

Bumble — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 02:03:38 -0000

Hah, right on!

Yesterday over breakfast my elderly mentor lean over and asked me, "Do you think that if you have someone like Tim Keller over and pastor your church, everything would be solved?"

"No, God had all sorts of tools for all sorts of work." He concluded.

Re: Wordpress fix for blog post via email

Bumble — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:50:36 -0000

Hey DJ, here's some exclusive Keller's content for your page. I just typed up my favorite Keller sermon "The Hiddenness of God" here: http://docs.google.com/View?docID=dwh8457_4dq8m...

You can add it to your page or cut-and-paste it to your googlepages.

Re: church planting. logo design. low cost.

Bumble — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:29:42 -0000

DJ,

This is an awesome post - I follow "church planting on a dime" and was amazed at some of the emergent technology 2.0 there. Great finds!

Thanks.

Re: slim pickings in my blog world

Bumble — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:15:00 -0000

I beat you on this. I am wearing bifocal...

Re: Tim Keller book tour

Bumble — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:29:16 -0000

Any tour in SoCal?

Re: Internet 101 slides + video clip; next week at Saddleback

Bumble — Mon, 19 May 2008 01:55:35 -0000

Man, lucky you and your dream job ;-)

At least I am lucky to get to follow your tweet.

Re: Purpose Driven Network Summit and persevering faith

Bumble — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:27:00 -0000

DJ,

I like the John 6 verse you quoted. For years I felt like my Christian life is so miserable because I could not go back the Egypt, but I have not arrived to Canaan either.

But then I rediscovered the Gospel all over again. What keep our faith is not looking at how well God's people does, but a constant look at the cross, at how much God loves His people. All else is disappointing - including myself.

Re: Box Score for Weekend of June 25/26

Bumble — Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:07:05 -0000

4,623 total attendance (3,701 adults + 922 kids): Does it account for duplication (people attending multiple services)? And what gadgets do you use to count and report for attendance?

Re: Box Score for Weekend of June 25/26

Bumble — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:05:34 -0000

Do you guys actually have someone count by hand? Wow.

Re: Box Score for Weekend of June 25/26

Bumble — Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:27:39 -0000

Wouldn't people be bored with the manual counting? I mean, it's not creative or rewarding, let alone having "more than one person does it so that we get it right"...

Re: Helping People Discover Joy

Bumble — Thu, 30 Jun 2005 22:39:10 -0000

I read the whole article at pastor.com - Are you using "fun" as a synonym for "joy"? Joy is more than fun, but fun might not be joy.

Re: Finding the Superstars

Bumble — Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:01:42 -0000

The funny thing is this: if the apostle Paul apply for a spot in our church today, he won't get anywhere...

Re: Buzzmarketing

Bumble — Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:18:32 -0000

The movement from personality's to corporation's feel certaintly a good hypothesis. Do you observe any of that in the growth of Granger's at all?

I had an opposite hypothesis: that people feel safer (less vunerable) in the corporation's feel of a mega church. It is much scarier to "explore your options" at a 75 members' church. The personal vunerability is much higher.

Therefore, it's simply better to build a corporate culture early on if you want to build a big church from the start. Isn't it "simply strategic"?

What do you think?

Re: The Buzz on WiredChurches.com

Bumble — Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:12:41 -0000

So, do you agree that "Tony markets his church just like we market our products and services"?

How about his statement of "I’m a business speaker, inspiring and teaching. He delivers a sermon, inspring and teaching. Both Tony and I are on a mission to spread the word about spreading the word (in my case Buzzmarketing, in his case religion)"?

I am not saying that marketing is bad, but if the gospel can truly be advanced by just marketing appeal, then where is then the power of the Gospel? How are we really depending on God?

What then can we make of the following words from Paul: "Hasn’t God exposed [the world's wisdom] all as pretentious nonsense? Since the world in all its fancy wisdom never had a clue when it came to knowing God, God in his wisdom took delight in using what the world considered dumb—preaching, of all things!—to bring those who trust him into the way of salvation.
While Jews clamor for miraculous demonstrations and Greeks go in for philosophical wisdom, we go right on proclaiming Christ, the Crucified. Jews treat this like an anti-miracle—and Greeks pass it off as absurd. But to us who are personally called by God himself—both Jews and Greeks—Christ is God’s ultimate miracle and wisdom all wrapped up in one. Human wisdom is so tinny, so impotent, next to the seeming absurdity of God." (The Message's rough equivalence of 1 Cor.1:18-25)

Please hear me out - I am not one of those who against mega-church. I read your blog daily because there are much to learn from your ministry. I just want to hammer out some of "in the world but not of the world" practicalities here.

Re: The Buzz on WiredChurches.com

Bumble — Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:26:56 -0000

Phew!

Thanks for the clarification...

Re: CCN Broadcast on Tuesday

Bumble — Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:44:52 -0000

Thanks, Tony. I like this outline better than the last one...

Re: Granger in USA Today Article

Bumble — Tue, 23 Aug 2005 05:36:00 -0000

Thanks for the link. Very enlightening. But how would you response to the quote below...

But in catering to popular demand, churches might set visitors up for disillusionment, says Philip Kenneson, co-author of Selling Out the Church: The Dangers of Church Marketing.

"Part of becoming a Christian is coming to see that what you thought you wanted deeply is not what you most wanted," says Kenneson, a theology professor at Milligan College in Tennessee. "It's having your wants retrained. So it's pretty hard to appeal to this old set of desires to get people in the door and then all of a sudden say, 'You know, we didn't quite tell you the whole thing.' Then people feel betrayed."

Another danger of marketing to an audience: People are viewed merely "as bundles of needs," says Inagrace Dietterich, director of theological research at the Center for Parish Development in Chicago. "This approach assumes the dominance of personal and private needs" above those of the community or the Creator.

Re: He Likes Me. He Likes Me Not.

Bumble — Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:53:56 -0000

Without your consistency, I probably won't re-think the issue. I jotted them down here:

http://i12know.that1.name/2005/08/on-purposed-d...

Re: Should Churches Build?

Bumble — Tue, 06 Sep 2005 05:55:15 -0000

Interesting - what was the size and fill ratio of your church at each phase? Do you have to wait until the need become visible before building?

Re: Andy Stanley? The Answer.

Bumble — Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:33:44 -0000

No way - that was Andy? Now that's cool! I am going to buy his book!

Re: Over 400 Baptized!

Bumble — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:53:22 -0000

Praise be to God! That's 10% growth!

Re: Box Score for Weekend of October 1/2

Bumble — Wed, 05 Oct 2005 05:26:07 -0000

So in the scheme of things, how will church compete with football games?

I guess we shouldn't...

Re: Can Ministry Still Create Buzz?

Bumble — Thu, 03 Nov 2005 14:57:28 -0000

It's cool to get to live in the midst of God's "buzz". But it's suck because we could not generate it ourselves. After all, that's how God keep us depends on Him, don't you think?

Re: Box Score for Weekend of November 5/6

Bumble — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:41:47 -0000

"The service also included a fun rendition of the the 70s hit 'We Are Family'... complete with the disco ball."

Uuh, isn't that kind of dated, but may be because your target audience is in that age bracket?

Re: Good to Great for Churches?

Bumble — Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:26:00 -0000

Thanks for the link to Jim Collins

Re: Impossible Religious Demands?

Bumble — Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:24:53 -0000

Thanks Tony, you just sparked my mind with this:

now I realized this cross-polination: Unlike businesses, church should grow by its equity, not by its liability - by stocks and not bonds, using business speak.

While I was in the MBA program, it was surprising for me to learn that the preferred way to finance a company is through issue bonds, not stocks. Bond was considered "other people's money", it's called "leverage". It's the borrow capitals you get from lenders, not your reinvest-earning or saving.

Consider Home Depot - it was surprising for me to learn that this giant was borrowing money up the wazoo from some 30-years bond in order to have enough capitals to keep building big boxes fast enough to saturate the market.

On the other spectrum, there is In-N-Out burger, (an excellent fast food chain which is limited to the four states on the Western US), because they didn't want to incur debt for expansion. They just want to grow in accordance to their equity growth.

Now let's talk churches.

Technically we could embrace rapid expansion (numerical growth) by borrowing (using what we don't have). Put people into ministry so that they get involved and grow more and keep the church running in the process (which in turn will draw more new people to different programs and services the church has to offer).

Or we could grow the church (even numerically) by reinvest-earning (using what we have). Wait until people matured and reap the fruit of Christian service from them. But this would take way longer.

But there will be less burnt-out, more sustainable, and it would be healthier, and the experience with God would be more enjoyable.

What do you think?

Re: Agree

Bumble — Wed, 07 Dec 2005 20:29:09 -0000

Amen - well said.

Re: Bible Journey > I Chronicles

Bumble — Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:43:47 -0000

"Benaiah climbed own into a pit and killed a lion on a snowy day. Someone should write a book about that."

Someone's starting to: http://www.drurywriting.com/david/06-SatS-1-Ben...

Re: The Lost Generation?

Bumble — Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:09:00 -0000

I've been working with this group for 15 years now. Basically we progressed from student ministry into a church plant within a church (co-location)...

Re: A Keller Confession

Bumble — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:00:00 -0000

I like Keller too - but I am not Reformed. In fact, a group of us Christian at my work get together once a week, listen to Keller's talk and discuss his ideas. We have a Roman Catholic, a Liberal, a Fundamentalist, and a Charismatic.
What makes us all like Keller, is that he keep expounding the Gospel, the Good News that unite us all!

Re: Online Sermons: Redeemer vs Mars Hill

Bumble — Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:52:54 -0000

I don't have any problem paying for it at all. NYC is expensive. And Keller didn't even get his church building yet.

The only problem I have is it make it much harder for me to give it to my friends and family.