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1 年 ago
in Did the N95 kill Nokia or revive it? on Mobile Industry Review
I think this whole debate shows how utterly, completely 100% out of touch the phone/tech community is right now.
Arguing over whether an iPhone is better than an N95 is like arguing over whether a Bentley is better than a Rolls-Royce, it's a snobbishly irrelevant argument for the vast majority of people. To think that it matters is just silly.
The new version of Ubuntu is NOT an event in the real world, most people don't even know what it is. The iPhone has sold something like 6 million, which is a market share of about 0.6%, yet some of the people in this debate talk as though it has taken over the world.
The average phone sells for 100 euros, and that's where almost all phone sales are. It's the 100 euro phones that matter, it's the 100 euro phones where Nokia and other phone manufacturers get their profits and growth from. The phone technologies to watch out for are the ones that get nearer and nearer this 100 euro barrier, which isn't the case with either the N95 or the iPhone as they cost about 500 euros.
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Arguing over whether an iPhone is better than an N95 is like arguing over whether a Bentley is better than a Rolls-Royce, it's a snobbishly irrelevant argument for the vast majority of people. To think that it matters is just silly.
The new version of Ubuntu is NOT an event in the real world, most people don't even know what it is. The iPhone has sold something like 6 million, which is a market share of about 0.6%, yet some of the people in this debate talk as though it has taken over the world.
The average phone sells for 100 euros, and that's where almost all phone sales are. It's the 100 euro phones that matter, it's the 100 euro phones where Nokia and other phone manufacturers get their profits and growth from. The phone technologies to watch out for are the ones that get nearer and nearer this 100 euro barrier, which isn't the case with either the N95 or the iPhone as they cost about 500 euros.
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Ewan
It's an issue for a lot of the SMS Text News readers though, Krisse!
Mike42
Some points:
The iPhone BoM = $250 = €160.
O2 can retail it at £160 (€200) matching mainstream handsets like the Nokia 6120 Classic or mid-tier Sony Ericssons, and it literally flies off the shelves. Have a look at Expansys.co.uk, and what £160 gets you. Those are not 'snobbish' phones at all. They are some of the zero-upfront low-tier mainstream phones.
I have seen groups of 60 year-old completely non-tech people - some non-mobile owners - play with an iPhone and decide then & there that they want one. They NEED one.
There is no debate as to whether the iPhone is better than the N95. 99.99% of the world knows it is, and the other 0.01% are Symbian geeks in denial who don't frankly matter at all to MNO's trying to entice the masses to take up mobile broadband. What would you recommend as a starter internet phone? A Symbian device or an iPhone? (sorry, I was of course joking. No-one could ever consider a Symbian contender a possibility). There is simply no contest *at all*.
The average phone price may be €100 (is that subsidised or not? big point there) but that's because people until now have only seen them as audio / text devices. The internet experience has been so eye-wateringly crap that no-one in their right mind would part with any more cash than that.
But along comes the iPhone. Cue drooling, cue 'Road To Damascus' normob conversion to the possibilities of a 3.5" screen done right, and all of a sudden the extra €100 doesn't seem like much. €100 is a good night out, it's a decent jacket or pair of shoes. For hundreds of millions it is eminently do-able. If it's not welded to a stupidly rapacious tariff and end-of-lifespan contract, they will take it with both hands...and with the recent price drops and the spreading knowledge of ZiPhone (pbuh) as a way of one-click unlocking, the wave is starting to form. It's building. In 6 months time housewives and vicars will be using iphones.
Hat-eat-wrong-proved.
/m
The iPhone BoM = $250 = €160.
O2 can retail it at £160 (€200) matching mainstream handsets like the Nokia 6120 Classic or mid-tier Sony Ericssons, and it literally flies off the shelves. Have a look at Expansys.co.uk, and what £160 gets you. Those are not 'snobbish' phones at all. They are some of the zero-upfront low-tier mainstream phones.
I have seen groups of 60 year-old completely non-tech people - some non-mobile owners - play with an iPhone and decide then & there that they want one. They NEED one.
There is no debate as to whether the iPhone is better than the N95. 99.99% of the world knows it is, and the other 0.01% are Symbian geeks in denial who don't frankly matter at all to MNO's trying to entice the masses to take up mobile broadband. What would you recommend as a starter internet phone? A Symbian device or an iPhone? (sorry, I was of course joking. No-one could ever consider a Symbian contender a possibility). There is simply no contest *at all*.
The average phone price may be €100 (is that subsidised or not? big point there) but that's because people until now have only seen them as audio / text devices. The internet experience has been so eye-wateringly crap that no-one in their right mind would part with any more cash than that.
But along comes the iPhone. Cue drooling, cue 'Road To Damascus' normob conversion to the possibilities of a 3.5" screen done right, and all of a sudden the extra €100 doesn't seem like much. €100 is a good night out, it's a decent jacket or pair of shoes. For hundreds of millions it is eminently do-able. If it's not welded to a stupidly rapacious tariff and end-of-lifespan contract, they will take it with both hands...and with the recent price drops and the spreading knowledge of ZiPhone (pbuh) as a way of one-click unlocking, the wave is starting to form. It's building. In 6 months time housewives and vicars will be using iphones.
Hat-eat-wrong-proved.
/m
