DISQUS

"here’s some sexy chicks to take your mind off of it"

Which of course is always followed by Amber or Corey Jane with the requisite helmet head, over processed bob, who often has a disturbing Stepford smile as she intones the names of those killed today in Iraq. Yeah, gotta love Fox!

I really, really need to give up cable as I can't remember the last time I even watched TV beyond a documentary on public access or CNN for major coverage of the big and unfolding stuff.

"Forced pregnancy sounds like rape to to me."

Did you stop to consider just how spot on the analogy is? Perhaps that is due to the fact that there are some very striking parallels between the denial of treatment option in the form of abortion, and a non consensual encounter of sex. They both force a woman against her will, with no concern for her voiced choices, to do something she is opposed to.

"Like I said many times before, do your research".

I would suggest the same.

"The women are seeking our help. Its not like we run after them yelling obscenities, give me a break"

You can say that as many times as you want, it does not make it in any more credible. I'm sorry I simply do not believe you.. It comes across as very transparent.

"Pregnancy only happens one way, so if it is not through forcible sex, what makes a pregnancy forced?"

You do. By advocating for policies which would prevent women from having access to safe and legal abortion. Because then, those women are forced to in fact go through with a pregnancy they have already decided, for whatever reason, they do not wish to carry to term.

Thus, forced pregnancy. It's not rocket science.

"I am really getting bored with this."

As evidenced by the lack of coherent refute to anything I have said.

Interesting too, how you avoided my specific questions about tactics.

But it seems you would like to discuss "facts". What "facts"? And how are you so sure that the women you attempt to "help" have not been given the facts? Once again, you are not trusting women to make the choices that are right for them as adults with a life, circumstance, situation and value system all of their own.They do not need yours.

"Help them see the consequences of this choice"

You mean help guilt them into a choice that lets you sleep at night and in the end still serves to regulate womens reproductive choices through state will? No thanks.

"And as far as GOD is concerned, I’m not one to preach"

Isn't it interesting then how in the next breath you go on to do just that. What a shock..

Exactly which of my points, specifically, is crap?

If you are going to recite the same nonsensical blather about human life beginning when you decide it does and specious comparisons to Nazi atrocities, and the obviously deliberate avoidance of relevant questions, I'm done. Good luck with the subjugation of your own gender.

Nice try Amazon6.

First of all I can, and do, argue for many things I don't agree with. Why? Because it speaks to the greater point about people having free will and individual control over themselves and what goes on in their bodies. I think that is a very important core freedom and basic human right, and I'm guessing you would as well if for whatever reason you ended up with a pregnancy you did not wish to carry to term. I don't believe you would be happy about the state making that decision for you, regardless of what side you come down on in the abortion debate.

Human life begins at conception? Says who? God? We exist in a society that mandates the church stay out of legal policy decisions regarding how citizens live their lives.

"no, women that have abortions should not be tried for murder"

Then you are admitting you see a material difference in human life and life of a fetus. You can't have it both ways.

And gatekeeper of morality is exactly what you set yourself up to be when you deem 4000 women (whom you know nothing about) not responsible with a dismissive swipe of your hand. That's puritanical slut shaming. You know it and I know it.

"The agencies I am affiliated with provide counseling for them, support groups for when they are looking for peace".

Right. How exactly do you do this. A website, a yellow page add? Or are you the ones who hold up test tubes of aborted fetus tissue and signs admonishing women for their decisions as they enter abortion clinics? You counsel them? What a load of horse shit! You intimidate women who have already made a decision that is often one they have wrestled with. Your aggressive interference is saying loud and clear that you do not trust autonomous adult women to make medical and reproductive decisions for themselves or / and with the input of their medical practitioner, a right under the law. Helping women? You really have a lot of nerve.

If you don't want an abortion, then don't have one. In the meantime, American women don't require your all knowing assistance in deciding what is right for them.

What The?

Good name. It's how I'd begin my response to your above screed. Because your argument makes no sense at all.

But just for fun....I am defining human as it is done with respect to medical guidelines in the country in which you live. Is that clear enough? That is based on viability - when the "collection of cells" is advanced enough to be reasonably able to exist outside of another and not be dependent on direct support through a vascular structure (ie attached to the mother). Your cancer analogy is a good one. Though parasite is the more directly relevant analogy with regard to being completely dependent through vascular structure on another living being for all nutritional sources.

If I sound abnormally coolly detached here, that is because I in no way am able to ethically compare the life of a woman to a collection of cells. There is no comparison. Your nonsense over Nazi Germany doesn't even make sense in the context of your own poorly mapped out argument! Think about it.

If letting grown women make their own medical decisions with regard to legally accepted reproductive health choices is a problem for you, I strongly suggest therapy that deals with co dependence issues. Telling other people what to do with their own bodies is something you can do all you want, but be aware - you are convincing no one of your lazy argument that equates tissue with full and autonomous life. Are you at all seeing that there is no way you will win this argument?

azmomof6

"If it is not a living person than what is it"

Well, to be quite truthful it could best be described as a collection of fetal tissue. I'm not sure what you think medical science has said or has not said, but the issue of viability is what will eventually become the marker for when human life is ascribed to that collection of tissue.

I don't have to like abortion either and I don't, but I am also going to state there is a material difference between a woman who has fundamental free will and a living awareness of personal agency, vs. a collection of tissue. And if you truly do not see a difference, what should we do with the women who have abortions. Try them for murder? Because if you truly don't see a difference, that is the only logical extension.

amazon 6 asks: "Forced Pregnancy"?

Yes, exactly.

amazon 6 says: "4,000 babies are aborted worldwide a day because 4,000 women were irrisponsible?"

So glad to know you have determined what is and is not appropriate and responsible in each womans life. Though it must get awfully stressful being the collective moral gate keeper for the entire planet I would imagine.

What's This said:

"If seeing that tiny little person moves a woman not to kill it, how can you argue with that?"

Quite easily actually. Because it is not a living person.

One does not need to be pro abortion to be pro a womans right to choose. The issue is larger than a personal unease with the procedure. It is about personal destiny and bodily integrity. If you don't value those things, then sure, make your case for abortion to not be accessible to the women who need it. Just be very sure you understand the potential of just what that legislation would mean, or could mean, in other areas of your life.

If you do not support a womans right to choose, then you are not pro life. What you are, is a person who mandates forced pregnancy. Think about that.