DISQUS

What is funny is that stuff like this will do more to hurt a candidate than all of Schaffer's illegal oil business trips to Iraq and shady business dealings with sex slave traders in the Marianas Islands. All that stuff is too complicated.

But shoving something up someone's you know what? Now that is something everyone can grasp. Glad to see that something negative looks like it will stick on the slimy Schaffer, even if he is not the one who said it.

Moreover, even reporters get it wrong, not just slanted editorial boards like the Gazette's (which makes a certain amount of sense given that they are in the business of propaganda). But reporters?! Andy Vuong of the Post is the worst. He consistently claims that Prop 47 would ban compulsory union membership. Ain't true, but he keeps saying it.

Every time they repeat this lie, we should contact them and complain. Or write a letter to the editor. If they get enough flack they may actually pay attention and start reporting on this misguided amendment accurately.

SquareState has a post up on Andy's poor reporting with ways to contact him.

Buckley was not that bright either, but at least he acted classy. As for Rush, Savage, Beck, Hannity, Papa Bear, heck, I am not sure if I should take them seriously or not, whether to laugh or cry. But they are still on the air in a major way, so somebody must be listening to these hatemongers. Until we stop listening to them, they will stay on the air.

I think we all need to do more to make a stink every time one of these hate demagogues spews some garbage - like with Imus and more recently Savage regarding autism. The more noise we can create around this stuff, the more the advertisers will get cold feet and pull their ads. Voila, no more hate wing radio.

Its about time Protect Colorado's Future and the UFCW submitted their signatures. While the anti-family Amendment 47 might lose on its own demerits, but it will certainly help to have these other amendments to distract the resources and efforts of the business community. That being said, the white collar crime and just cause bills are good ideas and should be supported by everyone.

Proponents of Prop 47, the work for less amendment, should be more worried about their right not to be fired willy-nilly than whether they have to pay a few bucks to the union for representing them. But alas, they do not, since they are more worried about fattening the wallets of business owners and corporations than truly protecting the well-being of hard-working families.

Oh, and the grunt posts on RMN and the Post as jack a, and copies and pastes the same comments there as he does here, unless he/she is going on some weird rant regarding who Erin has in bed with her when she is writing her entries.

At least McCain tried to offer a photo op on par with Obama speaking in Berlin. Better than giving press conferences in the cheese aisle. Still, he looked awfully uncomfortable. I would love to see McCain practice non-violence. Wonder if the Republicans would finally kick him out of the party then?

And if Colorado voters pass Amendment 47, that gap between the rich and the poor will get greater, at least here in CO. Vote NO on Prop 47, the 'work for less' amendment.

I am going to have to agree with eluning about the absolute need for progressives to get their act in gear and make clear statements about how drilling will not help gas prices for 20 years. In fact, that is what they must say. Putting the motivation for drilling as a land grab is also good, and reinforces the common conception that Republicans only care about fattening the wallet of the Oil Companies.

Dems of all types need to do a full court press on energy, the economy, and Iraq. Energy is the biggest issue this fall, and if Dems concede the drilling propaganda to the Republicans (like they do almost every other issue), they will squander what should be their trump card this fall.

A robust, progressive, inspiring plan to rid ourselves of dependence on oil, fight climate disruption, and create millions of high-paying jobs while leading the world in arguably the biggest global market for the first half of this century should be the Democrat's ticket to political dominance for the next generation. Instead, they run and hide when the Republicans attack and the polls show an uphill fight for them. That is no way to inspire the voters.

Ricardo,

Get your facts straight. No one is forced to join a union. No one loses a job if they do not join the union, and in Colorado, only in a very few places do you have union shops where all workers have to pay a nominal fee to cover the cost of the union representing them. None of those 'agency' fees can be used for political purposes.

Under your premise, individuals should have the right to benefit from what the union negotiates for them without paying for it. Some call that stealing; I will simply call it freeloading. Either way, its wrong and no one should have a right to do it.

Oh, and in Colorado, 75% of the employees have to vote for a union shop. 50% plus 1 does not cut it in CO.

So there really is no need for this intrusive amendment. All it does is dictate what kind of business arrangement an owner can have with their employees. That does not sound very free market friendly to me.

Lastly, Michigan is hurting not because of unions, but because of stupid decisions by the Big Three's decisions not to build small, more fuel efficient vehicles. Moreover, unions or not, America is losing manufacturing jobs in all sectors. That is globalization, pure and simple. Unions have nothing to do with it. Labor costs would be higher here even if we had no unions; thus we would still be losing those manufacturing jobs.

Sounds similar to the MSM. They are all for varied opinions until it gets too close to home, or does not fit an agenda they want. Look at the lead up to the war. No real criticism from the MSM, nor did they put up commentators who disagreed with the war. Why? Because they wanted it.

Now look at this. Look similar?

Never bite the hand that feeds I suppose. And never expect to get a real debate out of the media.

Indeed, state workers finally got the choice to even form unions, and look, they are joining in droves. Too bad it is so hard in CO to form a union in the private sector. If we swung the pendulum back in favor of working families here, they would be joining unions in droves as well.

That is why radical right wing forces are pushing Amendment 47, to ultimately reduce the wages of working families and prevent them from getting a fair shake in the workplace. If you want to start CO down the path of a Third World economy, pass this terrible proposition. On the other hand, if you think hard working Colorado families deserve a decent living, vote NO on Prop 47.

Ironically, one of the things conservatives never point out is that under 'Right to Work (for Less) laws, non-dues paying workers still get the benefits of the union's collective bargaining. In other words, they are freeloading off their other coworkers who pay the union dues. How is that for equal rights?

Moreover, Amendment 47 interferes with the free market, another irony of this conservative anti-family agenda. If employees and the owners agree to have a union shop, then so be it. That is the market. But no conservative ever argues in favor of the free market when it interferes with their corporate, anti-working family agenda.

Oh, and by the way, despite the right's propaganda, no one is ever forced to join a union.

Vote NO on 47.

Once again the anti-family forces pushing prop 47 have shown their corruptness and complete lack of morals. No surprise there. Hopefully the Secretary of State will see the light and reject the petitions gathered by the shadowy Kennedy Enterprises.

Not holding my breath for an extremely reduced sentence. Maybe an Obama Presidency will finally give these men justice and let them free. Then again, that might make the Democrats look 'weak on defense', so they will huddle in fear from conservative talking points and not do anything to let these men free.

Maybe a pardon at the end of Obama's term as a sign of goodwill towards Cuba?

And the Denver Chamber of Commerce said they would not support Amendment 47, the 'right to work for less' initiative. Decent post at SquareState on all this action as well.

That comment makes no sense. If you are some underling of the CEO, you are tying to impress them and do their bidding. There is no way you are going to go against the boss' wishes. No way. The fact that this Chamber overwhelming voted to not support Amendment 47 shows that the businesses they represent did not support it. This is not a vote on how the members feel personally, but how the businesses they represent feel. And those businesses have all the responsibilities you claim the Chambers' members lack.

Your argument is nothing more than conservatives grasping at straws to explain why an extremely pro-business organization would not support an amendment designed to hurt workers. Maybe these businesses realize that a strong, well paid, unionized workforce is a better workforce, despite all the reactionary rhetoric to the contrary from the likes of wingnut Jonathan Coors.

Actually, Coffman is wrong. Rep. Patrick Murphy is a Democrat and an Iraq War vet. You should also note the most of the vets that ran in 2006 were Democrats. Still, the vast majority did not win. Note sure this time will be that much different, as vets running primarily because they are vets usually do not have enough experience or knowledge of other key issues to get elected.

Sad state of affairs when half the workers paying dues would rather freeload off the union. Once Prop 47 passes and the union loses its ability to raise the living standards of the workers it represents, all those who decided to ditch their rightful dues will be crying for better unions. But by then it will be too late.

Sad state of affairs when half the workers paying dues would rather freeload off the union. Once Prop 47 passes and the union loses its ability to raise the living standards of the workers it represents, all those who decided to ditch their rightful dues will be crying for better unions. But by then it will be too late.

I can understand the frustration of waiting around for rights that should not even be an issue for debate, much less controversy or draconian laws barring such rights. But I do not feel Colorado is in a position to push equality for GLBT people just yet.

I would offer that other more liberal states should push this agenda for marriage rights first, and then all Americans will see that the sky will not fall if we let gay people marry. Once that fear mongering illusion is destroyed it will be easier to see real equality in CO.

Pretty Crafty Hope it works, since that would be a sweet upper cut to the anti-family forces driving Amendment 47, the 'work for less' amendment.  But it seems a little to late to be trying to drive amendments through the Legislative Council's Title Board.

Nonetheless, the best way to stop Amendment 47 is to vote against it.  Workers should not be allowed to freeload of the union that is bargaining on their behalf.

And for the record, you cannot force anyone to join a union. It is illegal.  The primary propaganda behind right to work for less laws is that unions are preventing workers who do not want to join the union from getting jobs. 

Guess what, no such situation exists.  There is no real reason to support Amendment 47 except to hurt the long term interests of working families in CO.  Workers in 'right to work for less' states make less money than their counterparts in union shop states (states that allow unions to charge fees to non-union workers if they collectively bargain for them).

Pretty Crafty Hope it works, since that would be a sweet upper cut to the anti-family forces driving Amendment 47, the 'work for less' amendment.  But it seems a little to late to be trying to drive amendments through the Legislative Council's Title Board.

Nonetheless, the best way to stop Amendment 47 is to vote against it.  Workers should not be allowed to freeload of the union that is bargaining on their behalf.

And for the record, you cannot force anyone to join a union. It is illegal.  The primary propaganda behind right to work for less laws is that unions are preventing workers who do not want to join the union from getting jobs. 

Guess what, no such situation exists.  There is no real reason to support Amendment 47 except to hurt the long term interests of working families in CO.  Workers in 'right to work for less' states make less money than their counterparts in union shop states (states that allow unions to charge fees to non-union workers if they collectively bargain for them).

Glad to see this Lawsuit is Progressing It is my understanding Frazier actually recommended Carollo for the project, and then got money from the firm after the contract went through.  No matter what, it looks fishy and should be investigated. 

He might be clean, but only a court of law can figure that out, so I am glad this is moving forward.

You already have a right to work This whole amendment 47 is garbage.  It is based on a lie, a lie that says union membership is compulsory.  It is not, and you cannot be fired from a job if you do not join the union.

Most proponents of right to work for less to not understand this.  Even the likes of the Denver Post espouse this propaganda.  No one can force you to join a union.  You have the right to work wherever you can get hired, union or not.

Amendment 47, the right to work for less, simply wants to take money from unions, thus weakening them.  In time, as statistics show, states with weaker unions have lower wages for workers.  Right to work states pay workers less. 

Vote no on Prop 47.

The remaining supers just want political favors There is no reason any remaining undeclared supers that support Obama  should not declare over the next three weeks, or even sooner for that matter,  especially with big Clinton wins expected in WV and KY.  In fact, they should just all declare now in a massive show of support that further weakens Hillary's rationale to stay in this race.  The fact they do not screams out that they are trying to get back room deals from the Obama camp.

However, I suspect the majority of remaining supers were or are Hillary supporters who are unsure about her chances.  The slimmer those chances, the slimmer the chances those supers declare for her.  Most of them probably wanted to support Hillary, but they saw her weaknesses and decided to hold off declaring.

Hence the slow trickle of Obama support from the supers.  They are Clinton leaners who see the writing on the wall and are jumping ship to Obama.  No doubt they too are trying to pull some political favors for their support as well.

 

They already do No one is ever forced to join a union.  Its illegal.  Prop 47 simply interferes with the free market decision to set up union shops. 

The idea that is somehow 'right to work (for less)' gives workers more choice in where to work is a complete fallacy.  All it does over time is allow businesses to pay workers less, as is the case in the states that have passed similar laws.

Prop 47 is a sham.  Vote No.

No One is Ever Forced to Join a Union If we are going to have this discussion, let us make sure we all understand that no one is ever forced to join a union.  Compulsory agency fees - yes (fees that cover the union's cost of collective bargaining and administrative costs, but no political work), but not actual union membership.

And we must not forget that compulsory fees only happen in businesses where the unions have voted for and/or negotiated 'union shops', something that is very hard to do in Colorado.

So for those of you under the impression 'work for less' laws are the only way to prevent you from the horrific fate of being forced to join a union, you can all relax - no one can force you to join a union.

And since that is the case, the primary reason people support 'work for less' laws goes away.  There simply is very little reason to promote this unnecessary, controversial, and burdensome policy in CO, especially with the expensive ballot amendment process.