DISQUS

This is an HDR photo of the Civil War re-enactment at El Dorado park. Cool event.

Japanese Gardens Koi Pond at CSULB

Logical fallacies?
Me thinks Rachel lives in a pretty pink box. All the big employers play the look the other way game as long as they show an SS card to fill out an I-9 form, of course the SS cards can be purchased on the street for $125-200. Believe me I do think that the American employers are the bad guys. Please don't misunderstand my take on this issue as mean or angry of which I am neither. My compassion is for American citizens who have to deal with the growing problems resulting from this uncontrolled and unchecked flow of our neighbors uneducated poor. You need to get out more and then you might understand.

#1 No Rachel post #12 I don't think it's all about Mexicans but if you don't know the vast majority of illegals are from Mexico then it is you that does not have a clue.
#2 Never said LA was 30 min away from Mexico my point was ANY where in Southern Cal.
#3 These illegal immigrants have a vastly better life here. That's why they come, duh. Don't compare them to your quality of life but to their prior life in Mexico.

Just who is exploiting whom. Look, most of these unskilled workers are from mexico where if they are lucky they can make $10 A DAY, they cross the border drive up the 405 a short way and can work for TEN TIMES MORE MONEY ($ 10/HR) ! I would love to have that option and if I was suddenly making $54/hr
instead of $27,and getting the best medical care for free and was given money for food (stamps) just by 'immigrating' 30 minutes up the 405 I would not be crying or striking or complaining. You can always better yourself in America but why when your lot in life is 10 TIMES better here than by the standards you are used to. Plus they can go back and forth to Mexico. This is not the same situation our early immigrants from Europe experienced, who left family and gave up everything to come thousands of miles to America probably never to see family again.

I heard Laura has been dating Daniel Lowenthal....Hmmm Laura Lowenthal, well it worked for Suja!

They must have given you special treatment cause when I went there ( the 2nd time, the first time I walked away when I saw the prices, $13 for Chicken and two sides) it was terrible. Way, way over priced for an outdoor stand, the brisket was at least 1/3 solid fat and the chicken was not that 'smokey'. Everyone I have talked to that have tried it say they won't be back. I love BBQ but this place blows. You can go to Beachwoods sit down and be served much better BBQ for the same price.

Now we know who's been pushing the "report abuse" tab on all the forums and getting most of the negative posts deleted.

I have also been 'intercepted' but funny thing is it is only during the day. I have wandered all around taking pics at night without anyone saying a thing.
Guess they don't want to pay their security guards the evening shift defferential!

Outstanding Juan! I can hear this photograph.

Jenny , I am well aware that the port could care less about our social ills, but do you? I brought the issue up to demonstrate priorities. You obviously have not lived in LB very long. Once you have been here for awhile and fully understand the politics in LB you probably will be as cynical as me! So what you're saying is the port will pay for all this , really, like so many other projects where the city ends up holding the bag. I have seen others ride into town on their white horse and jump on the ..lets fix LB without affecting the cities bottom line bandwagon and our bandwagon is still not fixed and the fixes are still costing us. All you write about are theories and if this or if thats. Example: Flusing and circulation? Only a theory but you make it sound so simple and effective that once we take down that old breakwater wall the good water will come in and flush out the bad water,but one of the most polluted beaches in SoCal is AVALON and its on the edge of an island. Talk about flushing! You write "it (the port) has the money to spend and IF given the right incentive, it MAY do so" This is part of your great plan ? You need a real plan and to be honest with the people of LB about what this could cost.
I 'm sorry if I don't have the answers Jenny but I don't know how to cure cancer either but I know Mexican treatment centers won't work.You come up with a real plan to stop the cities up river from using the flood control channel as their trash can and then we can work on the beaches.

Since we started discussing this 'restore the beach' topic (theory) last week there has been multiple shootings and murders in Long Beach including the murder of an 11y /o boy. Now tell me again how your war on fecal coliforms is going. I have an idea, maybe you could send the Surfrider people into the hoods with their clipboards and see what neglected LB (gangs,infrastruture, schools,crime,sub par non code housing etc) has to say about money and resources going toward your neglected beaches . Its all about priority. Lets work on straightening the inner-city cestpool before the beach cestpool.

Adreas, fyi.. the tourists think it's "rad" to ride the subways, the citizens of NY think it smells and is dangerous and is a necesarry evil. They use it because they have to.

Andreas , Don't need the dummies guide, I guess I get what you meant about diversity now that you made it clearer. Ya know we agree more than you think, everything you want for LB I do too, I just don't think sinking the breakwater is the answer that everyone thinks it is. Theres so much more involved. So all of you dreamers (your not the only one) keep listening to John Lennon's 'Imagine' .
Peace. bye bye.

andreas , andreas, andreas.
It's nice to here about your Leave it to Beaver childhood in the OC but I was born and raised in the LBC and this is a different animal. Diversity? Mask out the losers? WTF? Is that like if your car is making a noise you just turn up the radio and the problem is solved, you my friend are a knucklehead. Still no one has solutions to any of the problems Ii've brought up, all I'm reading is anger toward me for asking questions.

Dear Jenny, you just don't read well. I am not mad, I have never said I don't want change in LB I'm just trying to figure out if this plan would work thats all. And if there is Mercury and DDT they would be in the soil not the water. Everyone talks like we have the Hudson river here. The worst pollution is after the rains, in the summer it's the plastic crap (not toxic to us) in the water. Not pretty but perfectly safe to swim in. Lets see what can be done about the dumping in the San Gabriel and LA rivers that end up in our water. See the problem is people like you, I'll bet even if we had this beautiful beach you still would'nt let your kids swim because you heard thru the Surfrider Foundation there was still toxic chemicals from all those years of being a "catastrophe beyond comparison" then we would discussing a multi -million dollar dreging project. Move to Laguna.

Man you guys just reply with more pie in the sky. RKj once again you are right. This is a matter of people (you) that care about their little domains ( the beachfront, the Shore, Naples etc.) while the rest of the entire city( westside, northtown, etc) suffers tremendously.
And if you think the 'less desirable' citizens from the inner cities won't populate the beach look who use our parks and beaches now. Oh and vibrant beach communities are always very very expensive to live in, but I'm guessing the majority of these replys are from snobs who see a future Long Beach where they don't have homeless, illegals and poor people because it will be too expensive for them to live here. Once again pull your heads out of that pristine sand. Do you guys ever go out of the 'Good' parts of LB.

RKJ, you are 100% right! This 'bring back the waves' is another 'if we build it they will come' LB pipe dream just like the other failures you mention, but this time it's not city's idea but the 'innovative positive thinkers' and dreamers that paint this fantasy. Once again I ask that you look at this logically before we get too excited. Hey I'm a LB native and I love the outdoors and nice beaches (been to many all over the world).I also believe we need alot of other changes in this city before we spend millions creating a beach just so you can show it off to your visiting relatives cause thats really what this is all about. Honestly how many of you dreamers and positive thinkers would really swim and surf even if you could. All warm and fuzzy talk.

So let me get this straight, With no garantee of waves returning if the breakwater was removed... you want to commercialize our open beaches to the extent of being able to generate enough money to build parking lots, hire more fulltime police officers and paramedics and throw in the lifeguards, trucks, equipment and ways to deal with all the traffic. WHO are you people, developers? surfers? I think you just want to believe. Hey I have dreams too but one needs to look at all the facts to make them a reality or it's just fantasy. Sorry but I also questioned the weapons of mass destruction thing. Ask the questions even if some people call you a wet blanket.
And no I don't live on the penninsula.

Dreaming of the way it used to be, rolling surf, clean water, yeahh. WAKE UP PEOPLE IT IS NOT A DREAM, YOUR'E HAVING A NIGHTMARE! What else is missing from those 75 year old picures of our beautiful surfy beaches ? Open land and a HALF MILLION PEOPLE. This is not 1920. Where will these beachgoers park? Where will the extra police come from? They will be needed. Check out the problems with fighting that happen in H.B. every summer, and they don't have a blue line making a straight shot from the hood to the shoreline. Look around at the gangs and gafitti at our exsisting parks. I don't know if 'Giget' or 'Moon Doggy' will use the beach but 'Lil Killer' and 'Mad Dog' will. What about lifeguards and paramedics? And traffic, guess we will have to widen Ocean Blvd. Sorry to be the spoiler but this really is one of those "be careful what you ask for' deals. Go 5 min up PCH to Seal Beach if you want to surf. Now go back to sleep.