http://disqus.com/people/bd04b207df20d9fca5225eeee0d00f96/enThu, 04 Sep 2008 09:16:45 -0000http://nmindependent.disqus.com/fight_back/#comment-2352513Your simple association with moving this country to the left with "socialization" proves more about your devotion to the right-wing noise machine than your desire to listen to different views.<br><br>No one wants to take away your second amendment right to have a gun. This argument has always seemed like such a red herring for people that need to have an issue to call their own.<br><br>The lack of comprehensive health care in this country is one reason why you end up paying so much for you own health care. Have you thought about spreading the health care costs around even more than they are now? Perhaps the corporations that you worry about so would then not have to pay so much for your health care and could then pay a more livable wage.<br><br>The right wing's desire to legislate based on "family values" will do more to enhance the loss of freedom and liberty than providing a more equitable system of pay and services in our society.<br><br>You are a citizen of the world. You can not live in a vacuum, and the world is a much worse off if this country tries. This country continues to use the vast majority of the planet's resources, and unless we decide that shedding seas of blood to protect our economic (and corporate) empires is still in our greater interest, then we will work to enhance the entire human race.<br><br>And lastly, Rev. Wright has spent over 20 years as a community leader. It's laughable that his entire career has been reduced to the 20 second sound bite made so popular by the leaders of the "club". Do you know what he talked about for the remainder of his time in the pulpit? I will give you this; if Obama hadn't bothered to associate with organized religion, this would never had been an issue.<br><br>The leaders of the "club" are sending one message. Maintain the status quo, let the greedy continue to horde their wealth and rest assured that it will indeed trickle down on all the worthy ditto-heads.luceroMon, 25 Aug 2008 13:19:53 -0000http://nmindependent.disqus.com/fight_back_24/#comment-2502346Your simple association with moving this country to the left with "socialization" proves more about your devotion to the right-wing noise machine than your desire to listen to different views.<br><br>No one wants to take away your second amendment right to have a gun. This argument has always seemed like such a red herring for people that need to have an issue to call their own.<br><br>The lack of comprehensive health care in this country is one reason why you end up paying so much for you own health care. Have you thought about spreading the health care costs around even more than they are now? Perhaps the corporations that you worry about so would then not have to pay so much for your health care and could then pay a more livable wage.<br><br>The right wing's desire to legislate based on "family values" will do more to enhance the loss of freedom and liberty than providing a more equitable system of pay and services in our society.<br><br>You are a citizen of the world. You can not live in a vacuum, and the world is a much worse off if this country tries. This country continues to use the vast majority of the planet's resources, and unless we decide that shedding seas of blood to protect our economic (and corporate) empires is still in our greater interest, then we will work to enhance the entire human race.<br><br>And lastly, Rev. Wright has spent over 20 years as a community leader. It's laughable that his entire career has been reduced to the 20 second sound bite made so popular by the leaders of the "club". Do you know what he talked about for the remainder of his time in the pulpit? I will give you this; if Obama hadn't bothered to associate with organized religion, this would never had been an issue.<br><br>The leaders of the "club" are sending one message. Maintain the status quo, let the greedy continue to horde their wealth and rest assured that it will indeed trickle down on all the worthy ditto-heads.luceroMon, 25 Aug 2008 13:19:53 -0000http://nmindependent.disqus.com/fight_back/#comment-2352511LOL, I understand your need to have a computer to write your manifestos, but I wonder how you manage to get an ISP in your one room cabin out in the woods.<br><br>You are way too quick to make assumptions on what I do or do not appreciate. Oh well, your loss.<br><br>Wanting to make the country a better place does not mean a person hates the country. Only the simple minded don't realize this.luceroTue, 26 Aug 2008 06:00:44 -0000http://nmindependent.disqus.com/fight_back_24/#comment-2502344LOL, I understand your need to have a computer to write your manifestos, but I wonder how you manage to get an ISP in your one room cabin out in the woods.<br><br>You are way too quick to make assumptions on what I do or do not appreciate. Oh well, your loss.<br><br>Wanting to make the country a better place does not mean a person hates the country. Only the simple minded don't realize this.luceroTue, 26 Aug 2008 06:00:44 -0000http://nmindependent.disqus.com/fight_back/#comment-2352507Way to go TJ, advance the discussion.<br><br>It's too bad you can't even come up with simple phrases or reasons for believing in what you do other than calling people names. Typical.<br><br>I thought the discussion with Rite was fairly respectful.luceroTue, 02 Sep 2008 10:31:53 -0000http://nmindependent.disqus.com/fight_back_24/#comment-2502340Way to go TJ, advance the discussion.<br><br>It's too bad you can't even come up with simple phrases or reasons for believing in what you do other than calling people names. Typical.<br><br>I thought the discussion with Rite was fairly respectful.luceroTue, 02 Sep 2008 10:31:53 -0000http://nmindependent.disqus.com/fight_back/#comment-2352503I agree with you that the last best hope is individual initiative and hopefully an individuals desire to "do the right thing".<br><br>I also feel that the Government can and should level the playing field some in order to prevent things like, oh say racial discrimination, from preventing some Amercians from having a chance at the gold ring.<br><br>I'm not trying to justify communism in any way, shape or form. That was the other guy's brush that you picked up so quickly.<br><br>It seems like a straw man argument asking me to show where socialism, etc. worked moderately well. I could point you to the studies on how Denmark is the happiest place on the planet (no, sorry McD's), but I don't want to get into another discussion on the merits of that kind of study.<br><br>It's funny, I didn't get into the olympics at all this year, mostly because i couldn't get past the charade of the Chinese government putting on a show. I wasn't all that thrilled with the 2,008 drummers, mostly because I kept associating their precision as the face of totalitarianism in their Government.luceroThu, 04 Sep 2008 09:16:45 -0000http://nmindependent.disqus.com/fight_back_24/#comment-2502336I agree with you that the last best hope is individual initiative and hopefully an individuals desire to "do the right thing".<br><br>I also feel that the Government can and should level the playing field some in order to prevent things like, oh say racial discrimination, from preventing some Amercians from having a chance at the gold ring.<br><br>I'm not trying to justify communism in any way, shape or form. That was the other guy's brush that you picked up so quickly.<br><br>It seems like a straw man argument asking me to show where socialism, etc. worked moderately well. I could point you to the studies on how Denmark is the happiest place on the planet (no, sorry McD's), but I don't want to get into another discussion on the merits of that kind of study.<br><br>It's funny, I didn't get into the olympics at all this year, mostly because i couldn't get past the charade of the Chinese government putting on a show. I wasn't all that thrilled with the 2,008 drummers, mostly because I kept associating their precision as the face of totalitarianism in their Government.luceroThu, 04 Sep 2008 09:16:45 -0000