DISQUS

"I think there were ways for them to support Hillary while being sensitive to the pride of AA's in Obama. They could have said they respected him and his abilities but still backed Hillary."


Truthseeker, many heavyweight AA Hillary supporters did say what you outlined - John Lewis (before his switch), Tubb-Jones, Jackson-Lee etc. said that they respected Obama and thought he had a good message. They said it AD NAUSEAM. Apparently some people weren't listening.



Conversely, I find it ironic and contradicting that so many AA's accuse Hillary - right or wrong - of racism and black Hillary supporters of 'beggin and shufflin', and house negroism but cannot see or acknowledge the racist vitriol of their own words and actions.



I thought Obama was fighting against [and is trying to lead people away from] this kind of behavior?

Like McDonald's, all I can say is that I am loving this. If Black folk would have voted on the issues and not race, many of you would not be in this position of dilemma, anguish, confusion and perplexion.


You attacked Shelia, Maxine, Tavis, Stephanie, Maya and converted John in your efforts to support Barry.



I say any of you that voted based on race, made excuse after excuse for Obama and/or did not demand more from Obama as it relates to the black community, deserve what you get.



You were warned.



By the way, I bet it was Michelle who kept the family at Trinity this long - not Barack Obama. He is an appeasing weasle that would have left a long time ago despite his lies to the contrary.

LOL! Whatever.


I find it very interesting and appalling, quite frankly, that you apparently think that it was okay for the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor killing thousands under the circumstance they did, but America was wrong to retaliate. Who are you, Michelle Obama? A deacon at Obama's church? Come on now.



Yes, the loss of innocent lives and the lasting effects of wars are unfortunate, but it is preposterous, I think, to condone Japanese actions, but condemn the ultimate American response to Japanese aggression. It is not logical.



Furthermore, initially I never actually "justified" the action taken by the U.S., I simply offered that there was a cause and effect as to why America "Enola Gayed" the Japanese, which Rev. Wright omitted.



While aggression can be unpleasant, sometimes it is necessary. Nonetheless as I've said, war is hell.

What I find interesting is that Rev. Wright did not mention why the U.S. bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The U.S. bombed those Japanese cities because the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in Hawaii in a sneak attack killing 2,117 service men.


The U.S. had not been involved in WWII until the Japanese instigated its involvement. Once WWII ended in Europe, the Japanese refused to completely surrender. As a result, the US bombed the Japanese into submission in order to end the war altogether. The U.S. didn't bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki for recreation like Bush did Iraq. We (America) did it because the Japanese needed to surrender.



War is hell.

Lele Hill: "I thought you all were supposed to be above that."


Sadly, many of them aren't. Some are as disingenuous about "change" as Barack Obama.

Oh please, just because Pat Buchanan and others talk over one another (which is rude regardless of who does it) it doesn't excuse Goff's behavior. Goff and that other woman speaking over Buchanan, were rude no matter how you slice it.


In fact, their speaking over him, against the moderator's wishes, was their way of telling him to "shut up".



Again, both were rude. In my opinion, Buchanan telling Goff to "shut up" had nothing to do with race. Even Dan Abrams tried politely to nudge her to allow his guest to speak, but she kept bumping her gums. Buchanan is an asshole, but Goff was not exhibiting herself as a saint either.



Like I said, both of them were wrong.

Congresswoman Stephanie Tubb Jones is a standup, articulate beautiful black woman with integrity.


If Tubb-Jones had not spoken up against Ferraro, there would have been criticism, and now that she has spoken up on behalf of CBC Hillary supporters against Ferraro, she is (and they are) still catching flak.



The hypocrisy astounds me. Some of you won't be satisfied unless 100% of blacks are voting for Obama.



Get over it, because it ain't gonna happen. Face it, black folks are not a monolith.

Pat Buchanan is a bigot, and his validation of Ferraro was wrong and misguided, and although Goff was making valid points, she should have let Buchanan speak and she shouldn't have talked over him.


The moderator, Dan Abrams, kept telling Goff and the other guest to allow him to speak, but Goff kept being aggressive and refused to adhere to the moderator requests.



Both of them were rude.

"The sentencing for crack and cocaine should be the same!!!! Period. All those CBC Clinton heads would agree."


Who said otherwise?



"Welfare stereotypes, are just that stereotypes about who is on welfare, why they are there and their lives."



Umm sweetheart, African-Americans/blacks have always been disproportionally on the welfare rolls. While the numbers of whites on welfare in raw numbers is higher, there have been a disproportionate number of minorities on the welfare rolls. The reasons are numerous, however many were on the rolls because they have been lazy asses. While Marian Wright Edelman's program, The Children's Defense Fund, is a noble one, of course she was going to complain about any changes that may adversely impact children. However, having children to grow up with welfare dependent parent(s), doesn't help and hasn't helped either. It is one of the reasons why portions of our community are in the shape they are in at the present. Let's take responsibility for our role in the madness as well.



"Republican talking point just like what was done with Affirmative Action. Clinton also contributed to the demise of that also."



Oh please, self-proclaimed Creole Ward Connerly has done more to cause the demise of Affirmative Action than Bill Clinton. Clinton only sought to "mend, not end" Affirmative Action while Connerly has sought to end it altogether. He still seeks to end it. Connerly's and his cronies the ones you need to be directing your anger towards.



Resources

New York Times: Mend, Not End It

Bradley Backs Clinton On Affirmative Action



"When you reform something you should create jobs not sign NAFTA, you should make sure that there is quality childcare."



Under the first Clinton Administration, black unemployment was at record lows. The impact of NAFTA has been felt the greatest during the Bush 2 Administration. Furthermore, it is not the job of the government to pay for your child's day care. To me, that is such a typical "liberal" assertion. You had them. You take care of them. It's not the role of the government to meet all of your personal needs - especially when you are not exercising good judgment. Again, exercise better judgment instead of having children that you cannot adequately care for. Regardless of race, assume personal responsibility and stop being a burden on taxpayers. I came from a working class family. My mother grew up poor, but she went to work for a meager wage. She worked hard and eventually made a decent salary. She encouraged me and my siblings to get our education. She encouraged me and my siblings to go to college or get viable careers, and we all did. Stop acting as if the government owes you.



"Under Clinton there was a loss of 1.5 million in affordable housing if not more."



Under the first Clinton Administration, African-American home ownership rose to record highs. The highest in American history.



Quote:



"During his (Clinton) time in office, all the things that really mattered to most Americans improved --- jobs and income --- rose at all levels, crime reached record lows, homeownership reached record highs, teen pregnancy was down, educational achievement and college attendance were up. So, in black America the question is not why we love the man so much, but why you don't."



Source



"There is reason why welfare was created and the problems surrounding why many are so dependent still exists. We need to address it, fix it and then we can reform it. Ask Marian Edelman Wright of the Children Defense Fund who they threw under the bus."



LOL! It was addressed, fixed and reformed.



"He signed the Omnibus Crime Bill go look it up. He cut colleges out of many prisons. College is a form of rehabilitation when the colleges left, the crime in prisons rose. Thats not it, there is more but do some research, I'm not going to spoon feed you."



LOLOL! More liberal BS. The Omnibus Crime Bill was certainly not one Clinton's crowning achievements. However, one does not necessarily go to jail to be "rehabilitated". They go to jail to serve time for CRIMES they have committed. If we continuously educate our boys and girls (regardless of their social-economic position in life) about the importance of getting their education in the first place, we could minimize a lot of the adverse impact of such bills. Go to school and college - not jail to go to college.



"I cannot forgive him for dropping the ball on Rwanda in 94. I guess places like Kosovo and Ireland are more important."



We (Americans) are damned if we do, and damned if we don't. Oh please, be mad at the Rwandans. Ultimately, they were the one's that butchered each other over bullshit. For the record, some East Europeans complained that the Clinton Administration didn't respond fast enough to the slaughter that was happening there. Regardless, we cannot be the police of the world.



"I have always been skeptical of the Clintons. I was young when he was president however the minute I learned about him I knew better. I dont dislike him, hate him nothing like that but I am not putting him up on a pedestal. I surely dont owe him nor his wife."



It's your right to be skeptical, but in your skepticism try to be more objective. And while I voted for Clinton twice and Mondale/Geraldine Ferraro in 1984, they have never been put on a pedestal by me. I put no man or woman on a pedestal. Humans are just that.........Human!



"Support Clinton by all means but dont come to this forum with nonsense like blacks have said racist things to the Clintons etc etc etc...you sound dumb. All blacks ever did for the last 16 years was kiss their asses and praised them like Gods. I havent heard any racial remarks or even anything negative from the majority of them until they began injecting race into this election."



Regardless, African-Americans/Blacks have been saying some hateful racist things about the Clintons. You sound not only dumb, but in major denial about this. But it's all good and I really understand. Again, the truth is the truth, and truth can sting or even hurt really bad sometimes.

"TERRENCE, let me break it down to you so that it will forever and consistently be broken down!


RACISM IS BORM OF IGNORANCE AND FEAR! There will be takers of this in every race! Instead of you trying to enlighten us of reverse racism of ignorant Blacks "on the streets" why don't you enlighten those who are unashamedly espousing racism in the media-people of power-law makers/politicians etc?!?! No one cares about the ignorant white racists on the streets! They are NOT running things just as ignorant racist Blacks on the streets are not!"



LOL! What have you not been COMPREHENDING? Sad. You've almost exacted my point. I would further clarify that regardless of one's affiliation with either party, if one (regardless of race, ethnicity or gender) is "espousing" racist or sexist views they are no less guilty than the most popularly accused.



anonymous, part of your comment is so naive that it is DANGEROUS. Instead of responding with emotions please read and COMPREHEND.

First, if you are going to address me, spell my name correctly, anonymous.


Second, give it a rest already, anonymous. Stop playing ignorant.



The proof is everywhere. You can start by taking a look through a number of black-oriented/focused blogs. I've also heard racist comments on black radio as well. Again, stop playing ignorant.



As I have suggested, bigotry and sexism have been played out both sides - by the politicians and the "grassroots" alike.

Excuses, excuses. See, what Geraldine Ferraro said was wrong. Hillary Clinton has acknowledged it and HRC has apologized for and repudiated comments made by Ferraro and she has apologized for comments that were made by Bill Clinton in South Carolina. Maybe she didn't do it fast enough for some, but she did it.


Keep in mind that I DO NOT condone racial politics, however, if HRC and others associated (or formerly associated) with her campaign are to be held accountable, so should the people who have made racist and sexist comments and statements about the Clinton's. To deny that it has been one-sided is FOOLISH and do I dare say, IGNORANT. My point is.......Enough of the excuses ON BOTH SIDES.



If you are an Obama supporter and you have wallowed in the mud of racism YOU are just as GUILTY as Geraldine Ferraro or Bill Clinton.



I suggest that it doesn't matter who started this racist debacle cause, again, truth be told, I know black folk that have been saying some truly hateful stuff and they should not be excused.



AGAIN, look in the mirror. If it doesn't apply to YOU then don't worry, but a lot of African-Americans/Blacks are guilty of fanning the flames of racism and polarization. Let's keep it real.



It doesn't matter if it isn't coming directly from Barack's mouth. A lot of his "grassroots" supporters have made some vile comment, and so has some HRC supporters.



As I have said, on the racial front, there is enough blame to go around.



In regards to the welfare reform and mandatory sentencing crap, I say move on. America needed welfare reform. I find it ironic that many blacks don't want to be associated with welfare stereotypes yet, they complain about how welfare reform hurt blacks under Clinton. I say, tough. There needed to be a change. And I am glad Clinton had the courage to do it. We as African-Americans deserve better. If welfare reform meant getting some lazy asses off their butts to go to work or school - then so be it.



I also believe that some harsher prison sentences WERE necessary. Most of the black embeciles in our community have been killing blacks in our community, and UNFORTUNATELY they still are. Some of these brothas (and sistahs) deserve(d) mandatory sentences and so do many non-blacks who have perpetrated crimes that they had absolutely no business.



While crack vs. cocaine sentencing disparities were/are unfair - if people were not selling drugs or in possession of drugs they would not have to worry about falling victim to a racist system that has proven itself to be racist since 1619.



Again, stop making excuses. It is time for some of us to take personal responsibility for our own actions.

I love how some of my people, black/African-American people, don't recognize or refuse to acknowledge their own prejudices and racism with regards to this political season, yet they expect everyone else to be accountable when prejudicial statements are made.


Truth be told, racism and bigotry has been pronounced on both sides of this Clinton/Obama Democratic debacle. Racist comments and jabs have come from people of all races and ethnicities. Long before Bill Clinton's comments in South Carolina and long before Geraldine Ferraro's recent comments, there were people in the black community who made racist statements about the Clinton's.



We all reap what we sow. And I think that it is time for all of us to take a serious look in the mirror.

Latinos on the East Coast tend to be more of island persuasion - Puerto Rican, Dominicano, Cubano-many with African roots, so no, Latinos are not a monolith. Out west they tend to be of Mexican descent, and Obama is going to have trouble in Texas if the Mexican-American population comes out in force.


Mexican-Americans tend to be more anti-black than other Latino groups. However, Mexican-Americans will vote for a black candidate if that Black candidate is a democrat going up against republican as Mexican-Americans tend to vote democratic.



But the issue with the upcoming Texas primary is that Hillary Clinton is truly a viable alternative to black Barry. Go around Houston in the largely Mexican-American neighborhoods and Hillary signs are popping up.



This is why Barry lost Cali and Arizona. Mexican-Americans love Hillary (The Clintons) - overwhelmingly.

By the way, thanks for that story. I had not heard about it.


Blogging is beautiful.

Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.


and sad.



Can you imagine what it was like back in the day though? Much, much worse. Sistahs and brothas killed over lies like these.

Black candidates, regardless of hue, propped up by white interests are usually suspect within the black community. I know this is Louisiana we're talking about, and being an edible Chocolate brotha myself, I definitely understand the dynamics of the color complex that exists within the black community.


There have been battles - old and contemporary - within my own extended family. However, I have never known a black person to vote for or against a black candidate just because of amount of melanin in the skin was too little or too much. I certainly don't vote that way. I've voted for every color of the rainbow, actually. Most Blacks I know vote on the issues. Sh*t look at widespread support for Clinton. We feel when a candidate has our best interests at heart.



With that said, I am fully aware that the color complex creeps its way into political campaigns where people like Obama and Cory Booker (mayor of Newark), who were both overwhelmingly supported by whites, felt the wrath of skeptical blacks. Even light-skinned blacks were skeptical of these brothas.



But after the brothas were able to do grassroots organizing and mobilize in Black communities to quell suspicions, they were elected to office with tremendous multi-hued black support. Color or hue didn't matter.



In my opinion, Ray Nagin eventually appealed to many blacks because with his advocacy it demonstrated that he wasn't trying to sell them down the river and relinquish New Orleans to the powerbrokers and elite (read=white)of that city. Blacks were skeptical of Ray because he was a party line flip-flopper with major ties to the corporate community (read=white). I think Ray could have been black-damn near blue- and the skepticism would have been the same.



There have been a many dark-skinned Blacks to run against them Fords in Tennessee, and that very Black district kept sending them, despite their hue, on back to Washington.



In this case, I think it might be about choosing the lesser of the two evils, and what is "more evil" depends on the voter. Trust me, Black folks know that Jefferson has a questionable character, but at least they know more about him than they do Carter.

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Cool video. Thanks for posting. I hadn't watch the show.

I think you are right, Jill. But there are a lot of brothas who do not like brothas abandoning sistahs for non-black women.


He probably lost a lot of votes with brothas too. Granted people are people, when a guy (or gal, for that matter) seems to have an EXCULSIVE racial preference, there is an underlying issue somewhere - whether it's Harold Jr. or Bill Maher.



Find love where you can.

Funny clip. Wanda is hilarious. What she said is so true. Let's talk about personal responsibility.

And oh, Booker T. is probably turning over in his grave after being compared to Ward CONnerly.


Booker T. was not even this treacherous.



With Booker T., there is much evidence that he helped form institutions and gave money to black empowerment causes.



What has CONnerly done to empower black-identified Americans? Harped on his Indian, French, and Irish ancestry, while stabbing blacks in the back.

Thanks for posting this. I sure hope this is defeated. It's sad that Connerly is one of the ring leaders of this. Ward Connerly is the biggest con artist and it's sad.


And any organization that Dan Quayle belonged (belongs) to you know it's a joke, right? Mr. Potato Head.

Great piece. I managed to see the interview and enjoyed it.


Chris Wallace, who was looking like a cross between Pee Wee Herman and The Joker from Batman, was busted. He picked the wrong time to play games. I am glad Clinton stood up for himself.



It is about time the Demos started being aggressive with the Cons.

There's really no excuse.


There are lots of black bloggers in New York where the event was held.



Keith Boykin, a black gay liberal blogger even lives in Harlem.