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Re: Strange, weird, wonderful

trent — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:31:07 -0000

Recompense
From Letters From God and His Christ
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11/25/07 - A dream of a coming storm, which the Lord gave to a brother in Christ

I saw a storm coming. The area, where the storm was approaching from, was just the open sky, but there was the sense that it was coming from out over the ocean. I could not tell which coast I was looking out from, but I knew I was looking from America. The storm clouds were approaching and getting darker and thicker. Then three tornadoes, or waterspouts, broke down out of the storm, all at once, and headed for the shore.

After a small lapse of time, I saw myself climbing up some stairs in a house, to my bed in an upper room. I laid down in this bed, and realized that my resting place had changed. The head of the bed had shifted from facing the West, and it was now facing the East.

11/28/07 - From God the Father, the Interpretation of the Dream - Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

Recompense

The Day has come and it is here. It has come, says the Lord God... I shall repay. Your nation is given up, and will be left in ruins, for all their forsaking of Me. The roof is heavily weighted, all its pillars are cracked and no longer can bear the weight of their burden. The wind shall blow, the fire shall burn, and all these riches shall be consumed. A swift storm shall come upon you, and you shall not know from where it shall come, for it is already upon you. It shall reach across the oceans, it shall be swift and catch you unawares. It is building and grows in its fury... it builds and has come.

And this shall be its consequence upon you, thus shall it bring forth against you: Confusion, a swirling wind... water, a flood of fear... destruction, collapse of all your foundations. Even the earth shall rise up against you, and nature shall fight against you, oh perverse and mighty nation. When three times pass, it shall be accomplished... it shall surely come to pass. And the elect shall be gathered, even all those I see of Myself in them, My own reflection shown within the eyes of the first redeemed from the earth. For in a moment, a twinkling of an eye, they shall climb the Ladder, and lie down and rest for a short season, even in the place I have prepared for them. They shall rest, until the Day is done and it is finished. Then they shall arise and descend with the King... And as the lightning flashes out of the east, and shines, filling the sky even unto the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be.

For your leaders have cast their lot with the Ishmaelites in the dividing of My land... even of the children's inheritance I had given to their forefathers forever. And so, I shall divide them with calamity, with famine, and with destitution...

Yet they will turn. And anger shall swell in their faces over much betrayal, causing them to repent of that which they had promised, and they will again stand with the children of Abraham, until three days pass over. Then shall they be given into the hand of him, called the horn of satan... their name dissolved, becoming one of the ten for one hour, then plucked up and broken, during which time the Lord shall bring forth of them a great harvest, a great and mighty harvest, a great multitude, a refined and strong people for My name...

Then the end will come.

The King shall reign.

And that accomplished shall be finished...
it shall be completed.

Peace... one thousand years.

Re: Vision: A coming ‘maddening spirit’ : David Wilkerson : Earth Shattering Calamity

trent — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:18:00 -0000

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Recompense
11/25/07 - A dream of a coming storm, which the Lord gave to a brother in Christ

I saw a storm coming. The area, where the storm was approaching from, was just the open sky, but there was the sense that it was coming from out over the ocean. I could not tell which coast I was looking out from, but I knew I was looking from America. The storm clouds were approaching and getting darker and thicker. Then three tornadoes, or waterspouts, broke down out of the storm, all at once, and headed for the shore.

After a small lapse of time, I saw myself climbing up some stairs in a house, to my bed in an upper room. I laid down in this bed, and realized that my resting place had changed. The head of the bed had shifted from facing the West, and it was now facing the East.

11/28/07 - From God the Father, the Interpretation of the Dream - Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

Recompense

The Day has come and it is here. It has come, says the Lord God... I shall repay. Your nation is given up, and will be left in ruins, for all their forsaking of Me. The roof is heavily weighted, all its pillars are cracked and no longer can bear the weight of their burden. The wind shall blow, the fire shall burn, and all these riches shall be consumed. A swift storm shall come upon you, and you shall not know from where it shall come, for it is already upon you. It shall reach across the oceans, it shall be swift and catch you unawares. It is building and grows in its fury... it builds and has come.

And this shall be its consequence upon you, thus shall it bring forth against you: Confusion, a swirling wind... water, a flood of fear... destruction, collapse of all your foundations. Even the earth shall rise up against you, and nature shall fight against you, oh perverse and mighty nation. When three times pass, it shall be accomplished... it shall surely come to pass. And the elect shall be gathered, even all those I see of Myself in them, My own reflection shown within the eyes of the first redeemed from the earth. For in a moment, a twinkling of an eye, they shall climb the Ladder, and lie down and rest for a short season, even in the place I have prepared for them. They shall rest, until the Day is done and it is finished. Then they shall arise and descend with the King... And as the lightning flashes out of the east, and shines, filling the sky even unto the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be.

For your leaders have cast their lot with the Ishmaelites in the dividing of My land... even of the children’s inheritance I had given to their forefathers forever. And so, I shall divide them with calamity, with famine, and with destitution...

Yet they will turn. And anger shall swell in their faces over much betrayal, causing them to repent of that which they had promised, and they will again stand with the children of Abraham, until three days pass over. Then shall they be given into the hand of him, called the horn of satan... their name dissolved, becoming one of the ten for one hour, then plucked up and broken, during which time the Lord shall bring forth of them a great harvest, a great and mighty harvest, a great multitude, a refined and strong people for My name...

Then the end will come.

The King shall reign.

And that accomplished shall be finished...
it shall be completed.

Peace... one thousand years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UGN6V8n9Uk

Re: 14 Alternative Browsers That Are Not IE6

trent — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:44:46 -0000

Ive been impressed with Chrome, making it my #2 browser behind Firefox ... that is UNTIL I met Iron (a security improved spinoff of Chrome) and now I think I'll be uninstalling Chrome.

Iron is basically the SAME as Chrome, but invisibly a tad bit more secure.
http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_c...

Re: 14 Alternative Browsers That Are Not IE6

trent — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:47:35 -0000

Oh, I forgot to mention that Iron has a built in adblock.
Basically it is Chrome + security +adblock.
and it is free, of course.

http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_c...

Re: God Sooooo Loves the World Yet He Sends People to Hell Anyway?

trent — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:05:32 -0000

Hello.

Hell is a teaching, like purgatory, that has no basis in scripture. It is a tradition that has become orthodox, but scripture as in most cases runs contrary to traditional viewpoints.
Consider John 3:16 ... "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that as many as believe in Him may not PERISH but have Eternal Life."

Life is a gift ... we are not owed life, but we each have it for a time. But it is inherently TEMPORARY ... having a beginning and an end. The doctrine of hell depicts no end ... no "PERISHING" ... but continued and unending conscious torment.

In reality, to accept the very Life of God is to be made alive by His life ... a Life that is unending and unbeginning .. .ETERNAL. To reject that Life is to remain temporal ... having no Eternal destiny.

To perish is to be UNFORMED to nothing .. and those that receive the second death to be made no more will have no thoughts to realize they have received it or not. Thoughts perish with the perishing

The serpent said: "You shall surely not die." ... and the church has been repeating the refrain, even when such teaching goes against the most popular verse ... John 3:16.

Perish means perish.

Consider this:
1/14/06 - From God the Father
...Shall I, even I, torment My beloved, they who are tormented continually by he who is, and has, torment in his vesture? Satan is the tormentor. ... Become, again, a child of God, and learn to walk uprightly, leading others into love, by love, not fear.MORE of this letter about unbiblical "hell" HERE
18 reasons why in a single verse
Theological Myth - Unending conscious torture

Re: A Letter Puts Me to Shame

trent — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:41:52 -0000

Hello.

at the risk of sounding nit-picky ...

Hell is a teaching, like purgatory, that has no basis in scripture. It is a tradition that has become orthodox, but scripture as in most cases runs contrary to traditional viewpoints.
Consider John 3:16 ... "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that as many as believe in Him may not PERISH but have Eternal Life."

Life is a gift ... we are not owed life, but we each have it for a time. But it is inherently TEMPORARY ... having a beginning and an end. The doctrine of hell depicts no end ... no "PERISHING" ... but continued and unending conscious torment.

In reality, to accept the very Life of God is to be made alive by His life ... a Life that is unending and unbeginning .. .ETERNAL. To reject that Life is to remain temporal ... having no Eternal destiny.

To perish is to be UNFORMED to nothing .. and those that receive the second death to be made no more will have no thoughts to realize they have received it or not. Thoughts perish with the perishing

The serpent said: "You shall surely not die." ... and the church has been repeating the refrain, even when such teaching goes against the most popular verse ... John 3:16.

Perish means perish.

Consider this:
1/14/06 - From God the Father
...Shall I, even I, torment My beloved, they who are tormented continually by he who is, and has, torment in his vesture? Satan is the tormentor. ... Become, again, a child of God, and learn to walk uprightly, leading others into love, by love, not fear.MORE of this letter about unbiblical "hell" HERE
18 reasons why in a single verse
Theological Myth - Unending conscious torture

Re: A Letter Puts Me to Shame

trent — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:45:48 -0000

Originally Posted By Thy Word is Truth @Trent - My friend, Hell is biblical and it is eternal. The scriptures in Mark 9:48 recorded the Lord Jesus Christ's own words quoting Isaiah 66:24 "...and be thrown into hell, where" 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.'"

For completeness sake, Isaiah 66:24 "And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."

See the Lord Jesus Christ's own account of the rich man in torment in Hell. Luke 16:19-26

"They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,"-2 Thessalonians 1:9

God is Holy, Just and Sovereign and He is also Merciful:
"Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? said the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?"Ezekiel 18:23

"The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9

I wasn't clear. You are right, there is a hell ... at least until hell is destroyed ... along with those in it as well as heaven and earth too.

I was taking a shot at the doctrine of hell which depicts unending conscious torment. I was saying that the Bible clearly teaches against this popular doctrine. Even the quote you gave about the worm not turning was about looking upon the LIFELESS bodies of the damned. Get it? They were not alive ... read it again.

Wide is the path that leads to DESTRUCTION and many are on that path ... I suppose I would be more popular if I changed "DESTRUCTION" to "ETERNAL LIFE IN MISERY" ... but I don't like to change things like that ... do you?
;-)

2Pe 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

AMEN!

There is coming a "last day" as it is written, in which "heaven and earth will pass away" or "be destroyed." The point is that the punishment is beyond the duration of those punished. It is like a man given 5 consecutive life sentences ... we are smarter then to think that such a man will automatically live five times as long then before his sentence. Rather, we intuitively know that he will not last until the duration of the sentence. So, when I read that there will be an "eternal punishment" for the damned, I do not believe that the damned have the eternal life needed to last in a perpetual conscious state nor withstand the fire longer then anything else in creation. Nor do I think God so cruel as to torment them until the time of breaking, and then waken the faint and mend their wounds so that He could torment them again, and once they break from that torment to bandage again and awaken them again just so that He could torment them some more. Surely, this is not consistent with any of scripture, yet that is the implication of saying that they will "suffer everlasting conscious punishment." Nor is it logical to say that those that LACK eternal life, will somehow be able to live eternally!?!?

This is also typified when people use Mark 9:43-48 as support for the conscious torture notion - " 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched." Is this Jesus' way of saying that everyone in hell is indestructible? Of course not, He is saying that the Fire is indestructible, NOT those thrown into it ... Likewise it is the worm that does not turn, not those subject to the worm that supposedly have enough substance to satisfy a worm that does not turn for ages and ages endlessly having enough to feed a worm that does not turn. That is not only counter to logic, but it is counter to what Jesus just said right before: "hell, where the fire never goes out." (verse 43)

This error is also perpetuated by the mistranslation of this support passage: 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 "They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power"

In Dallas we have a monument called the "eternal flame." It isn't really eternal, but for argument's sake, lets say that it really is. Now, if I take a blade of grass and put it in the fire, does the blade of grass become eternal or is it destroyed?

This is quite obvious. The eternal fire does not make everything eternal that is exposed to it ... Rather the eternal fire destroys everything that is not likewise eternal.

Hence, when one reads in scripture about everlasting destruction, one should not assume that whatever is destroyed becomes everlasting. That would be illogical and counter-intuitive. However, that is exactly what Christians are saying when they talk about unending conscious torture.

Essentially, I gather that a prevalent myth is saying that every soul is indestructible / immortal and has everlasting life ... even those in the Eternal Fire subjected to the damnation. HOWEVER, immortality and everlasting life is a promise of the Gospel. What an empty offer that would be if everyone already had that! Christ's accomplishment on Calvary would have been in vain.

"Fear the One that can destroy your soul."- Jesus, speaking of the Father.

"Fear the One that would torment you til you pass-out, and then awaken you for more torment until you pass out, and on and on without an end. He couldn't destroy an immortal everlasting soul of the damned even if He tried." - Christians, while talking about the Father.

See the difference?

Re: A Letter Puts Me to Shame

trent — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:34:12 -0000

Jesus said: ""â€œAnd these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal lifeâ€ (Matt. 25:46). """

Thy Word is Truth essentially is saying that includes the damned as having eternal life too.

I agree with Jesus. The damned are eternally punished (destroyed, for they were on the wide path to DESTRUCTION) and the righteous are the only ones to receive ETERNAL LIFE.

â€œJust as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fireâ€ (Jude 7).

When Jesus said this were the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah being burned alive and moaning in agony because that is the example of being subject to eternal fire ... Did the fire make them eternal? Or did the fire destroy them?

â€œThese men are those who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever,â€ (Jude12-13).â€

Amen.

The Bible is so clear it is a wonder that the doctrine of eternal torment in hell still exists.