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Hey Mike

An interesting list. Years of philosophical training leave me wanting to suggest that these aren't so much values as 'cultural stereotypes' or 'cultural norms' - and the 'old' stereotypes are being seen through nostalgic eyes (wasn't there always a sense of a need to be streetwise and hard in urban areas?).

These sorts of stereotypes or norms exist as a combination of material facts, and of values. Urbanisation, economic growth, development of multi-channel media area some of the changing material facts that have an impact on values, and, which when combined with values - lead us to generate and update these sorts of 'culturally shared stereotypes'. Why is this relevant?

Well - the really interesting question to ask is whether our values have really changed? Or whether we are applying fairly static values to new material circumstances? And when we conclude that values may have changed - we need to ask at what level they have changed...

Hey Jon

Great post... and great idea to encourage more youth work tagging (infed! of course! I was really stuck thinking of the right non-general not-too-long-winded tag for youth work that wasn't youth ministry...)

It might be interesting to read a bit about the learning of the nptech tag community to explore how we can really get tags to help generate shared learning: http://unthinkingly.com/2007/01/10/understandin...

If you're trying to encourage current non-taggers to start tagging - then you might find my One Pager on del.icio.us helpful http://www.timdavies.org.uk/2007/10/18/social-b... (as well as the Commoncraft video on social bookmarking http://www.commoncraft.com/bookmarking-plain-en...)

Hey Mike

This looks like it could be a fantastic project :)

We're thinking of adding a Wiki (probably Media Wiki?) to UK Youth Online soon... happy to provide that as space to host some of this if useful....

Let me know if there are any ways I can help...

I'll let others know about it soon...

Really interesting.

This looks like it should match up with the strategies typology in the Youth Work and Social Networking Report (right towards the end of the document).

We definitely need some more examples for people to get a handle on of how digital technologies can be part of the day-to-day toolkit of supporting young people (although it may be that for some people that falls into keeping in touch...)

Hey Mas

I'm not sure I would agree with all of these. Yes - you need to get your own web presence in order - but it's not about your own website much of the time... and if your own site isn't great and is tricky to change - then head out and engage in the social media space anyway without waiting for the main site to sort out.

Conversation (where people are), and publishing (on your rather nifty own 'corporate website') are different things....

I also think (mainly for sake of making this a more lively comment...) it's worth emphasising the distinction between 'knowing exactly what to do when something goes wrong' - and 'knowing that there is a way in place of dealing with and responding to things that look like they might be going wrong'. The second is arguably easier, and arguably the root to go - rather than a pre-empting problems approach which could be how your last point may get read...

Some really interesting challenges here...

...I'll see what we can do with the write up from YWSN research to at least lay some foundations for responding to these...

The 'ban it' response is really not the way to go.

But staff do need guidance and support in knowing when and /how/ they should and shouldn't use social network sites.

For an adequately trained youth worker who has an established professional relationship with young people - there shouldn't be a problem with them visiting a young persons house to hand deliver an invite to an event, or even to meet them there or in a coffee shop in their estate for a conversation.

There may well be something unprofessional about turning up there in a car with swear-word laden music blaring from the stereo and wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with a photo of a recent drunken night out.

In the same way - contacting young people through social network sites - and being available for young people to contact you through social network sites is not, per se, unprofessional, innappropriate or problematic. /But/, staff do need to think carefully about the information they share with young people through these sites - and whether they are using them just as a communications tool - or are using wider features of them which could lead to inappropriate information being shared.

Hey Mas

These are some really interesting reflections. I'm going to make a start tomorrow on working out some sort of story / case study template for capturing examples of YouthWork 2.0...

Would love to hear from anyone with an example to share...

Tim

I thought the question and reward was an interesting way of govt getting people to work through multiple questions which was good - but as you say - it then needs to go a little further....

Would have been good to see a MyAbodo (http://myabodo.com/) style option to embed the resulting park in a MySpace / Blog etc...

But overall this is really interesting progress for Government in terms of creative consultation... it will be interesting to see if they come up with a good creative way of feeding back to young people on what will change from their involvement...

Although we also need to be really careful not to get sucked into the corporate marketing space that has a very anemic view of what it means to be engaged...

NASA may (and that is definitely a may) be an exception given the relatively rich scientific progress ideology it could be seeking to engage 'Generation Y' in - but in general we need to recognise that sometimes the reason engagement in the community sphere has less of the 'buzz' that the work marketeers are working on has is because in the community sphere we deal with whole and real people, rather than the simplified 2D consumer - and real people and real communities are generally messy and complicated...

(Extra notes: Slide 10 is ambiguous. If the claim is being made by the creators that as part of generation Y they present *the* perspective of generation Y, then as a member of that posited generation wish to disagree and state my views and perspectives are not represented here.)

Thanks for the reflections mas. I was disappointed I couldn't make it to the festival of ideas in the end... would have been good to catch up with the progress of On The Up.

I noticed from the innovation exchange site that there were relatively few ground-breaking ideas... I wonder what space the real innovative ideas are to be found in? I think you're certainly onto something with On The Up and linking that to PYD frameworks in terms of helping the sector better identify what works and what doesn't... and I think there are probably some real innovation gaps in terms of linking services better with local communities (how do we get communities to volunteer to work with young people in our risk-averse and time poor culture?)

Perhaps we need a bit more of a 'mapping the problems' before we call for the innovative solutions? Or are the problems already clear?