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Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony Leads DVR Viewing

Holly — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:04:56 -0000

You do realize that Swingtown is one of only two scripted shows airing on the broadcast nets right now, right? So, yay! Swingtown had more DVR viewers than the reruns.

The other scripted show (Flashpoint) got 300,000 fewer DVR viewers, but more than twice as many viewers overall (which makes the percentage increase much lower). Swingtown getting increasing 38% from Live to Live+7 isn't very impressive considering where it started out.

Re: NBC to Programming Execs: It’s Not Me, It’s You?

Holly — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:47:56 -0000

So does this mean that the NBC execs don't think "Kath and Kim" is going to be the next "Friends"?

Re: The Renew/Cancel Index, Our Predictor Of Show Futures

Holly — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:07:55 -0000

LJ's numbers weren't great, even for being aired during the strike, but they were steady (which you can't say about JM). There are a lot of different reasons why LJ might have survived despite mediocre ratings, I was just throwing out a few possibilities.

Re: Nielsen Ratings Friday, August 29: Fox Wins Slow Night

Holly — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:12:59 -0000

The pre-emptions mean that Swingtown's numbers will drop in the finals. The numbers that Bill and Robert post here are based on 1/2 hours by network, not based on show. So that 4 million includes all people watching anything on CBS (football or Swingtown). The finals are actually divided by show, so they will give how many people were actually watching Swingtown.

Re: The Renew/Cancel Index, Our Predictor Of Show Futures

Holly — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:16:06 -0000

You'd need a whole separate list for summer shows since the network averages and expectations would be lower.

Re: The Renew/Cancel Index, Our Predictor Of Show Futures

Holly — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:28:09 -0000

Journeyman is another one of those shows where the season average can be deceiving. It started out with 9 million and a 3.5 in the demo, but ended with 5 million and a 1.5. Lipstick Jungle, on the other hand, started with 6 million and a 2.5 and stayed pretty steady. Also, you could argue that viewers just didn't find LJ because it aired during the strike when everything was on reruns and viewing was down on all the networks, so it has a chance to grow in the second season. You can't make the same argument for Journeyman.

Re: Soap Opera Ratings for August 18-22, 2008

Holly — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:10:20 -0000

Wow, shiny new website!

Re: But We Love the ‘Dirty slums of Friday night’

Holly — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:53:03 -0000

I have to say, the VAST majority of the negative comments I've heard about Ex-List have been from pissed off fans of that show. As far as reviews, the most negative things I've seen are reviewers questioning how long the premise can last and (mostly) male reviewers saying it's too girly for them (not in those words, but that's the basic gist).

I think Ex-List's real problem isn't the fans of that show or the premise, it's whether people will find it on CBS. It's not CBS' usual fare, which is good because CBS does need to diversify but bad because it will struggle to find viewers.

Crusoe on the other hand, I think might work better as a mini-series. I can see it being difficult to keep the story going long term.

Re: The Renew/Cancel Index, Our Predictor Of Show Futures

Holly — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:59:06 -0000

Of course there's more to it than just this (remarkably accurate) index. Both Bill and Robert have already stated that. Things like night mean lower numbers can be acceptable, which is why Numb3rs and Ghost Whisperer are still around. Cost and profit make a difference too, which is how 60 Minutes will get renewed for another 50 years and reality shows with low ratings get picked up again. Downward trends make a difference, as seen with Bionic Woman. There are lots of factors, but none of them mean that Moonlight merited a second season.

Re: The Renew/Cancel Index, Our Predictor Of Show Futures

Holly — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:08:39 -0000

Thanks Bill and Robert. I was just curious. It doesn't make much difference for the renew/cancel index (unless one show has a lot more reruns than any other on the network), but is does skew the total numbers for shows that show reruns vs those that don't (e.g. CSI vs. Lost).

Re: The Renew/Cancel Index, Our Predictor Of Show Futures

Holly — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:35:31 -0000

Quick question: Was this done with the season averages the Neilsen's releases (which include in-slot repeats) or just using original episodes?

Re: The Renew/Cancel Index, Our Predictor Of Show Futures

Holly — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:29:57 -0000

Oh come on Bill, you know that cancellations have nothing to do with ratings. Networks cancel shows because they hate their viewers. ;)

Sorry, feeling ornery today...

Re: Weekly Network TV Ratings: August 18-24, Olympics > All

Holly — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:05:01 -0000

Let's see NBC do that next week ;)

Re: Will Swingtown Be Cancelled or Resurrected

Holly — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:01:50 -0000

My comments have absolutely nothing to do with Moonlight (fyi, I'm one of the people that have argued that CBS was RIGHT to cancel Moonlight). The "successful show" I was talking about is Numb3rs, which will be airing after Ex-List, where you suggested they should have aired Swingtown.

Yes, supporters complain that there was no promotion, but that's BS, there was just as much if not more promotion for Swingtown than any other show.

Edit: Wait, or were you suggesting that CBS screwed up because they didn't pair Swingtown with a relationship drama in general? So basically, you're upset that CBS chose to give the show the best lead-in they had instead of an imaginary one they don't have? Would it be better to air a new relationship drama with an established relationship drama? Yes. But first, you have to get that established relationship drama....which is what CBS was trying to do with Swingtown (and Cane, but unfortunately the writing for that was awful, great cast though).

Re: Will Swingtown Be Cancelled or Resurrected

Holly — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:28:35 -0000

So you think the best move for CBS would have been to cancel or move a successful show to give one new show another, unproven new show as a lead-in? Really? And aren't Swingtown supporters blaming the Friday spot for the horrid ratings? Yet, you think starting it out on a Friday would be ideal?

Given the Friday numbers last year, it probably wouldn't have gotten a much bigger premiere than it did during the summer, and, again, the problem isn't that people never found the show, it's that they abandoned it after the first couple of episodes.

It's a moot point anyway because it wasn't airing in the fall, it was airing in the summer. CBS gave it tons of promotion and the best lead-in they had to offer, and it had a great premiere. Then it bled viewers until it was squandering its lead-in and got moved (it wasn't a sudden change of plan, it was a way to avoid canceling it out-right and give another show the lead-in). Promotion did die down when they needed to promote the new shows, but after the first week or so, it got just as much promotion as anything else.

Re: Will Swingtown Be Cancelled or Resurrected

Holly — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:13:41 -0000

Xerxes,

What lead-in would you prefer? CSI really was the best lead-in CBS had to offer.

Re: Will Swingtown Be Cancelled or Resurrected

Holly — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:04:36 -0000

Xerxes,

Flashpoint, Big Brother, Fear Itself, Wipeout, etc. all aired during the summer, yet not one of them lost MORE THAN HALF its viewers like Swingtown did (before the Olympics, and mostly before the move to Friday). Yes, expectations are lower in the summer. If it had maintained 6-7 million viewers and 1.9 in the demo, I would be saying it deserves renewal (even though that would mean cancellation in the regular season). 4 million viewers and a 1.2, however, do not deserve a second season, even for Fridays in the summer. When you routinely get lower demo numbers than almost all the repeats even when you have a solid lead-in (like it did even on Thursday), there's a serious problem, and it's not the scheduling.

Re: Watching the Olympics Outside the US

Holly — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:38:04 -0000

Actually, the US has always used total medal count. Britain did too until this time (or maybe the time before). Other places have used the gold medal count for a number of years now. There is no official method.

Re: Watching the Olympics Outside the US

Holly — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:05:25 -0000

Welcome Back Bill!!!!!

Re: Will Swingtown Be Cancelled or Resurrected

Holly — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:21:26 -0000

"Or perhaps you should be reminded of the concept of free speech. You have a right to now watch the show, but not to force your decision or subjective sense of "morals" on the rest of us."

I think you misunderstand the concept of free speech....I always find it amusing when someone argues "free speech" as a way of telling someone to shut-up. Free speech doesn't mean that no one can disagree with you or say what you are presenting is horrible. If CBS has a "right" to air Swingtown, then angelscrest has a "right" to say that they are irresponsible and wrong for doing it. By your apparent definition, a network could air a show portraying child abuse as a good thing and no one could complain about it because that would be "forcing their subjective sense of "morals" on the rest of us."

Re: Will Swingtown Be Cancelled or Resurrected

Holly — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:13:18 -0000

I really can't see it happening. The ratings are too low and the costs too high for any standard cable network to consider. HBO already has a 70s-themed pilot in the works. Showtime obviously doesn't want it or CBS wouldn't be shopping it around. I think CBS is just putting on a show so that when they cancel it, they can tell the remaining fans that they tried.

I think it is unfair to compare Swingtown to Jericho and Moonlight, but not because Swingtown aired in the summer. It's unfair because Swingtown's ratings drop has been much more dramatic than either of the other two shows. It took Jericho 5 months to loose 3 million viewers. It only took Swingtown 4 weeks. And while Moonlight's ratings were never great, they did remain remarkably steady before the strike.

Re: Critical Acclaim Does Not Equal Ratings

Holly — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:25:23 -0000

Are you delighted because you think 90210 will do better because of this or because you think it will take away one of the excuses when it does poorly?

Re: NBC Releases Total Audience Measurement Index: The King is Dead? Long Live the King (TV!)

Holly — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:00:57 -0000

I think people generally overrate the volume of internet TV viewing. However, there are a few things about the Olympics that I think makes it less likely people will watch online. For the most part, people don't watch 3-4 hours of coverage straight through, they flip back and forth rather than watch the whole thing; it's difficult to 'flip' when you are watching online. Very few events are ones that a lot of people would actually search out; you might watch the swim trials or see two countries you've never heard of play water polo if they on TV, but you wouldn't make a point of seeking them out and watching them online. Most of the major events are delayed even online (thanks NBC, you're swell!). Even those that aren't delayed often have no commentary (unless I'm mistaken) and as obnoxious as the commentary can be, it is helpful when you're watching sports you rarely see.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the tech-savvy people more inclined to watch everything online have just linked into the European feeds to watch the important events live instead of waiting for NBC to put them up two days later.

Re: TV Real Estate: The Bottom Third of Your Screen

Holly — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:18:39 -0000

A small ad in the corner the size of the watermark logo is one thing, but the ads nets like TBS have are huge and obnoxious.

Re: TV Real Estate: The Bottom Third of Your Screen

Holly — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:19:19 -0000

No no no no no NONONONONO!

OK, I know I can't do anything to stop it and I know that advertisers are desperate to find a way to reach buyers as DVR use increases. Still, I HATE those pop-up ads and don't want to see any more of them.

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