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<rss version="2.0"><channel><title>Disqus - Latest Comments for Don_Quijote</title><link>http://disqus.com/people/Don_Quijote/</link><description></description><language>en</language><lastBuildDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:42:26 -0000</lastBuildDate><item><title>Re: 2012</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/2012/#comment-23115962</link><description>McCarran-Ferguson, ERISA preemption misuse, buying medicines from other countries ...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I've included my list several times, but I'd be happy to repeat it again if you didn't read it on any of my previous posts.</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">ProfElwood</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:42:26 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: Sarah Palin&amp;#8217;s Missing Skin</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/sarah_palin8217s_missing_skin/#comment-23059357</link><description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think she'd make a great Senator.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;She made for a great governor, very far from my home state and with minimal to no influence on the Federal Government. Unfortunately she was unable to hold onto that job...</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Don_Quijote</dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:39:11 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: Sarah Palin&amp;#8217;s Missing Skin</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/sarah_palin8217s_missing_skin/#comment-23059262</link><description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, she could always run for New York. They're not too picky about whether you actually LIVE in the state or district you represent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yeah, but we have standards, we don't elect redneck morons...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We 'll elect rednecks, we' ll elect morons, but not the combination...</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Don_Quijote</dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:36:06 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: Sarah Palin Goes To War</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/sarah_palin_goes_to_war/#comment-22959904</link><description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sarah Palin Goes To War&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;Really? A non ChickenHawk Republican?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Army or Marine Corps? Officer or Enlisted? Iraq or Afghanistan?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oh, you mean she's having a pissing contest with other republicans, that's not war that's a spat...</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Don_Quijote</dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:55:12 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: 2012</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/2012/#comment-22893397</link><description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If they simply addressed the issues that made healthcare so expensive - we'd have true reform.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And the issues are?</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Don_Quijote</dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:32:43 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: Why a Big CCC Won’t Work Today – But a little one might help</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/why_a_big_ccc_wont_work_today_but_a_little_one_might_help/#comment-22891257</link><description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course, the left refuses to look at the idea of deporting the 10-20 million illegal aliens. Why start up a jobs program while maintaining open borders and a policy of unlimited immigration.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;What do you say to the idea that we start penalizing employer who hire illegal aliens, lets say 100k per violation for the first 100 violations , and 500k for every violation above 100.&lt;br&gt;It will be fun to listen to the business community, good republicans one and all scream bloody murder, and to listen to them explain to us that Uncle Sam is taking the bread right out of their mouths.&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Also, idea like Corps of Engineers require environmental assessment, contract bidding, and the proper number of minority contractors. They take years to get started.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well we could always &lt;a href="http://www.kbr.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;KBR&lt;/a&gt; a nice &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost-plus_contract" rel="nofollow"&gt; cost plus contract&lt;/a&gt; to manage the job. I am sure that they &lt;a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070326/scahill_ordower" rel="nofollow"&gt;would&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=12011" rel="nofollow"&gt;not&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.propublica.org/article/this-year-in-scandals-contractors-behaving-badly-105" rel="nofollow"&gt;rip&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090601/scahill?rel=emailNation" rel="nofollow"&gt;us&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.alternet.org/blogs/waroniraq/110065/kbr_sued_for_giving_soldiers_ice_with_%27traces_of_body_fluids_and_putrefied_remains%27/" rel="nofollow"&gt;off&lt;/a&gt;.</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Don_Quijote</dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:38:03 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: 14 Killed at Fort Hood, Not 13 As Reported. Why?</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/14_killed_at_fort_hood_not_13_as_reported_why/#comment-22863858</link><description>Because "victim no 14", as you call him, had a heartbeat that was pumping blood through his tiny body.  If she had of lived and given birth to him on a remote island where there were no BIRTH CERTIFICATES, he'd still be a living person still capable of being killed.  So your pathetic attempt at demeaning and devaluing his precious, innocent life is feeble and hollow.</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">azmom3x</dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:10:34 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: New York Times: &amp;#8220;Homeless on Veterans Day&amp;#8221;</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/new_york_times_8220homeless_on_veterans_day8221/#comment-22739276</link><description>Thanks for pointing this out, DQ.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I read in the article you linked to that "Only 12 percent of [California's] veterans actually collect the benefits they’re due," and  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;"A report by the National Association of Veteran District Offices ranks California 35th in the nation for securing federal benefits, like disability payments or help with job training and placement"&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not good...</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Doriancito</dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:22:47 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: New York Times: &amp;#8220;Homeless on Veterans Day&amp;#8221;</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/new_york_times_8220homeless_on_veterans_day8221/#comment-22737003</link><description>Where is the profit motive in taking care of Veterans? If there isn't one, why would you expect the US to take care of them?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;Profits über Alles&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.scpr.org/news/2009/11/10/Cal-Vet-Needs/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Auditor says California should do more to help veterans get federal benefits&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"We had at one point 80,000 to 90,000 veterans homeless from the Vietnam era because we didn’t get ahead of their mental health and substance abuse and all the related issues and criminal justice issues. And we let them die on the streets–" McChesney broke off. Through tears he said, "We don’t want to do that again." &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And twenty years from now, someone will say the exact same thing with only one difference, the word "Vietnam" will be replaced either by the word "Iraq" or "Afghanistan".</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Don_Quijote</dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:12:17 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: Down the Drain</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/down_the_drain/#comment-22712111</link><description>"Toyota to build 100,000 vehicles per year in Ontario (Americans too illiterate to train)"&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Don..... Come on... You are being just like the current adminstration on this one.&lt;br&gt;You are quoting the loss of potential jobs as job losses.&lt;br&gt;Show me an actual statistic that shows loss of a PRESENT job from healthcare.</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">JeffersonDavis</dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:15:22 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: Down the Drain</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/down_the_drain/#comment-22534896</link><description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No one lost their jobs because the healthcare system was screwed up.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Really? That 's not what the fine people of Alabama would tell you...&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1435920/posts" rel="nofollow"&gt;Free Republic - Toyota to build 100,000 vehicles per year in Ontario (Americans too illiterate to train)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;The factory will cost $800 million to build, with the federal and provincial governments kicking in $125 million of that to help cover research, training and infrastructure costs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Several U.S. states were reportedly prepared to offer more than double that amount of subsidy. But Fedchun said much of that extra money would have been eaten away by higher training costs than are necessary for the Woodstock project.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama due to an untrained - and often illiterate - workforce. In Alabama, trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech plant equipment.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;"The educational level and the skill level of the people down there is so much lower than it is in Ontario," Fedchun said.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;In addition to lower training costs, Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care system in Canada, said federal Industry Minister David Emmerson.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;"Most people don't think of our health-care system as being a competitive advantage," he said.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Tanguay said Toyota's decision on where to build its seventh North American plant was "not only about money." &lt;br&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Looks like quality affordable health-care and education are things that investors take under consideration before plunking heir money down... I'd say that a few thousand jobs that ended up in Canada in part due to the cost of our health-care system.</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Don_Quijote</dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:45:49 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: 14 Killed at Fort Hood, Not 13 As Reported. Why?</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/14_killed_at_fort_hood_not_13_as_reported_why/#comment-22534264</link><description>No birth certificate for victim no 14, if you haven't been born how can you be killed?</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Don_Quijote</dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:29:17 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MINDS???</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/are_you_out_of_your_minds/#comment-22519779</link><description>&lt;blockquote&gt;At some point, yes, the real people who are going to deal with the problems, or at least the ones who are interested in the result, need to have a say. Dismissing the general population as "high school dropouts", is an elitist attitude. I'm an anti-corporatist libertarian specifically because I don't trust elitism in any form. I don't care why or how much anyone feels that they could run somebody's life better than they could themselves, it's a bad idea.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not to be an elitist asshole, but we are talking about the US here, a country in which the majority of the people can't be bothered to inform themselves or to vote, a country in which a large minority would rather eat a nice fat Sh*t sandwich rather than give a plugged nickel to their hungry and homeless compatriots, a country that elected GW Bush twice, a country in which as long as things are running reasonably well the vast majority couldn't be bothered to actually think about politics, public policy and the long or even short term consequences of said policies.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It's pretty much a given that any constitutional convention in any state at the present time will be co-opted by Corporate America, the Banksters and their cronies and the general public will get the shaft.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It's not a matter of being an elitist, it 's the simple observation that people don't have half as much interest in politics as they have in football, and as long as they aren't willing to do the effort required to be informed they are going to get the short end of the stick.</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Don_Quijote</dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:26:27 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MINDS???</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/are_you_out_of_your_minds/#comment-22518506</link><description>"You're kidding right? The people ??? Are we talking about the people who couldn't find Iraq or Afghanistan on a map if their life depended on it?"&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At some point, yes, the real people who are going to deal with the problems, or at least the ones who are interested in the result, need to have a say. Dismissing the general population as "high school dropouts", is an elitist attitude. I'm an anti-corporatist libertarian specifically because I don't trust elitism in any form. I don't care why or how much anyone feels that they could run somebody's life better than they could themselves, it's a bad idea.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe a better idea that having one convention come up with one constitution, is for several conventions to come up with their own ideal, and let the general population pick which ones they think would be acceptable, with an option to reject the whole lot and make them try again.</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">ProfElwood</dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:51:41 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MINDS???</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/are_you_out_of_your_minds/#comment-22516619</link><description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The proposal in fact calls for about half the delegates to be elected by counties and cities, half to be chosen from nominees selected randomly by the state auditor.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, and we can expect those elected delegates to be a bunch of high school dropouts... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And the randomly selected suckers will either be co-opted by the elected delegates if they have anything to offer or played for the suckers that they are likely to be.</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Don_Quijote</dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:22:07 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MINDS???</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/are_you_out_of_your_minds/#comment-22514827</link><description>&lt;i&gt;Let's get real here, any one involved in the writing of a constitution is going to be a member of the elites.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your customary devotion to fact shines through yet again, Don.  &lt;a href="http://www.repaircalifornia.org/Docs/delegate_selection_final.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;The proposal&lt;/a&gt; in fact calls for about half the delegates to be elected by counties and cities, half to be chosen from nominees selected randomly by the state auditor.</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Dr_J</dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:42:01 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MINDS???</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/are_you_out_of_your_minds/#comment-22510212</link><description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is sure to go smoother if it's seen to be the work of the People rather than the Elite.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You're kidding right? The people ??? Are we talking about the people who couldn't find &lt;a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/study-finds-a-gulf-in-us-geographic-knowledge/2006/05/03/1146335804470.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Iraq or Afghanistan on a map&lt;/a&gt; if their life depended on it?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let's get real here, any one involved in the writing of a constitution is going to be a member of the elites, the only real question left to be asked is which elites? the Financial Elites? the Legal Elites or some other elite?</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Don_Quijote</dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:12:34 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MINDS???</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/are_you_out_of_your_minds/#comment-22500728</link><description>Step 1. Break up the State of California into five to seven States ( State of San Diego, State of Los Angeles, State of Santa Barbara, State of San Fransisco, State of Humboldt, etc ).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Step 2. Let each new State write it's own Constitution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Step 3. Repeat Process in all State whose population is greater than 5% than that of the US.</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Don_Quijote</dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:53:44 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: Forensics Key To Shootings</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/forensics_key_to_shootings/#comment-22275988</link><description>"thought cookies", "breading the law"&lt;br&gt;You must have been hungry when writing this.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In all seriousness, tough guns laws have done more to protect criminals than law-abiding citizens.</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">ProfElwood</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:47:14 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: The Other Shooter: The Banality of Terror</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/the_other_shooter_the_banality_of_terror/#comment-22267272</link><description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/110809/loc_513987532.shtml" rel="nofollow"&gt;Who is "we" who are leaving "lots of people to rot"?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://blogs.walkerart.org/teens/files/2009/01/kelly_we_have_met_enemy_cvr.jpg" rel="nofollow"&gt;We have met the enemy and he is us&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-119496082.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;The right people&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-elk/ge-moves-green-jobs-to-ch_b_244110.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;More of the right people&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.aztlan.net/sharonville_ohio_murders.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;The wrong people&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://socialistworker.org/2008/08/06/murdered-being-immigrant" rel="nofollow"&gt;More of the wrong people&lt;/a&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Don_Quijote</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:48:37 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: The Other Shooter: The Banality of Terror</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/the_other_shooter_the_banality_of_terror/#comment-22253668</link><description>DQ, I'm having all kinds of trouble with your response.  Who is "we" who are leaving "lots of people to rot"?    This pathetic creature is luxuriating in the victim mentality.  "Poor poor pitiful me!"&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And what does your last sentence mean?  "Unfortunately, they... go and kill the wrong people."  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There's somebody who would be &lt;em&gt;right&lt;/em&gt; to go and kill?</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Polimom</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:24:58 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: House Passes Health Care Bill But Future Unclear</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/house_passes_health_care_bill_but_future_unclear/#comment-22246592</link><description>"That world imply the existence of Republicans who gave a damn about something other than staring wars in which other people's children can be used as cannon fodder and cutting taxes on the wealthiest 5% of the American population."&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That's a bit unfair to the Republicans.  Yes, many many are like that, but many many are not.  I'm a democrat, and supported both wars in the beginning.  I was also willing to put my butt on the line to go over there and fight it - something few on either side of the aisle are willing to do.  Although I do have respect for Biden and Palin (among others) who have children in harm's way in Iraq/Afghanistan.  It keeps their mouths and policy in check when their own children may reap the benefit (or malevalence) of their actions.</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">JeffersonDavis</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:44:29 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: Forensics Key To Shootings</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/forensics_key_to_shootings/#comment-22238469</link><description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Remove Guns and you remove the Key.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No, No, No!!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We should write a law that forced everyone to carry loaded weapons at all times, with the smallest caliber being a .32. If such a law had been in effect all the fine people around when ever someone loses it would have the means to defend themselves, and if they didn't, well thought cookies, they were breading the law.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As we all know an armed society is a polite society.</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Don_Quijote</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:09:36 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: High IQ versus rational decison making, it doesn&amp;#8217;t necessarily correlate</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/high_iq_versus_rational_decison_making_it_doesn8217t_necessarily_correlate/#comment-22238120</link><description>The problem with the Obama administration isn't one of IQ, it's one of spine...</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Don_Quijote</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:02:17 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: The Other Shooter: The Banality of Terror</title><link>http://themoderatevoice.disqus.com/the_other_shooter_the_banality_of_terror/#comment-22237999</link><description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As he was being led away by police, he told them, “I’m just going through a tough time right now. I’m sorry” and explained his murderous pique at former coworkers by claiming “they left me to rot.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is a lot more of that to com... &lt;br&gt;Lots of people have lost their jobs, their houses, their marriages and their prospects for a middle class life. We have left and are leaving lots of people to rot on the side of the road. Unfortunately most of these people who have think that they have nothing left to lose usually go and kill the wrong people.</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Don_Quijote</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:58:38 -0000</pubDate></item></channel></rss>