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Have you considered that Bill Clinton was considered a member or that demographic? Kerry wasn't, Gore wasn't and none of the previous Dem candidates had been except Jimmy Carter.



Have you considered that Barack Obama was born to an 18 year old who eventually raised two children as a single working class mother with help from her parents?



The only difference with Barack being a member of that demographic is that he is not white like Bill Clinton and those "Pennsyltucky" voters.



It all goes back to the notion that rural white folks like the "Pennsyltucky" demographic are "real Americans" and black people are NEVER "real" Americans, regardless of their background.



Hillary Clinton is a woman who has been privileged for her entire life and her desperate, hypocritical pandering on this is pathetic. She is betting on the voters ignorance like GWB did in 2004, but she is still going to lose because at the end of the day, the math is still against her. If the Jeremiah Wright brouhaha didn't knock Obama out, this sure won't.

The fact that Obama is black is irrelevant to this issue.



If you believe that, then what do you make of the lack of controversy over Bill Clinton's very similar remarks about "economically insecure white men." Obama didn't even bring up color.



Every time Obama says something "controversial" and Clinton jumps on it, there is a comparable Bill Clinton quote waiting in the Lexis/Nexis database. Interesting...

Are you saying our current economic uncertainty is so dire that we as a people, are desperate and ignorant enough to ignore the great promise and prosperity of this nation and deserve a comparison to the KKK and radical Islamists!


Talk about fear-mongering!



Fear-mongering? Talk about seeing what you want to see! Only someone that truly is desperate and ignorant would go there.



Did you enjoy your beer with Hillary?

ms. martin said: "The subtle point is that I don’t think they want a BLACK man telling them about it."


This is the point that drives the controversy.



I agree. This is Bill Clinton in the LA Times in 1991.



"You know, he [Bush] wants to divide us over race. I'm from the South. I understand this. This quota deal they're gonna pull in the next election is the same old scam they've been pulling on us for decade after decade after decade. When their economic policies fail, when the country's coming apart rather than coming together, what do they do? They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them. They know if they can keep us looking at each other across a racial divide, if I can look at Bobby Rush and think, Bobby wants my job, my promotion, then neither of us can look at George Bush and say, 'What happened to everybody's job? What happened to everybody's income? What ... have ... you ... done ... to ... our ... country?'"



They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them.

"You know, he [Bush] wants to divide us over race. I'm from the South. I understand this. This quota deal they're gonna pull in the next election is the same old scam they've been pulling on us for decade after decade after decade. When their economic policies fail, when the country's coming apart rather than coming together, what do they do? They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them. They know if they can keep us looking at each other across a racial divide, if I can look at Bobby Rush and think, Bobby wants my job, my promotion, then neither of us can look at George Bush and say, 'What happened to everybody's job? What happened to everybody's income? What ... have ... you ... done ... to ... our ... country?'"


Bill Clinton to Joe Klein in the Los Angeles Times in 1991



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/13/bill-clinton-flashback-al_n_96433.html

* I meant to say when Gates appeared on Tavis' PBS show. He also has his own radio show on PRI but I'm guessing no one listens to it. The caliber of his guests (the same 5 anonymous academics) on his radio show tell me he should have stuck it out (and not quit like at bitch!) with NPR back in the day.

Interesting.


Tavis also sort of baited Henry Louis Gates when he was on the show - trying to get him to say negative things about Obama's race speech. He was clearly impressed by it and said as much, but Tavis wasn't satisfied with his seemingly pro-Obama responses. Any emphasis in bold is mine.



Tavis: ... nobody in mainstream media who is prepared or as far as I'm concerned interested, quite frankly, in having a thoughtful dialogue about what Black liberation theology is? So to what extent did Obama, Obama's speech, that is, lead to a hit, ultimately, on the Black church?



Gates: Well, let's address it this way: the big surprise to me was that anybody in America would be surprised that there are separate discourses about race. When I wrote my book "The Signifying Monkey," which was 20 years ago -



Tavis: Brilliant text, though.



Gates: Thank you. But I talked about Black cultural underground discourse and White underground discourses. You remember the Redd Foxx show and the Archie Bunker show? The brilliant thing about them, when Redd Foxx did -



Tavis: "Sanford and Son."



Gates: - "Sanford and Son" is that they articulated all the resentments and the anxieties and the aggression about race - Anti-Black racism, anti-White racism - Archie Bunker and Sanford, Fred Sanford. It's as if everyone has forgotten that. It's no surprise that Black people sit around complaining about White people and anti-Black racism.



It's no surprise that White people say things when they are together about Black people. All of the press coverage that I read today treated this as if it was a huge, huge revelation. Black theological discourse is not primarily defined by Black cultural nationalism or, as the conservative pundits might represent it, anti-White feeling among Black people.



It's how we took the text of the bible and made it in our own image. How we painted God Black, how we painted Jesus Black - literally, sometimes, and metaphorically. So I'm not sure that I think that Black theological discourse took a hit yesterday, but I'm wondering what sort of denial has our society been in when journalists greet Barack's simple statement that Black people are angry for historical reasons and White people have resentments based on fears about Black people, and this is treated as news.



Tavis: A part of what troubles me, with all due respect to Senator Obama, though, was he kept casting Black feeling, Black emotion, as that of **anger and bitterness. And so Black folk are angry and bitter, but White folk have resentment. That sounds to me, once again, like Negros are the problem.



Gates: Oh, I see. But if that's -



Tavis: I didn't like that.



Gates: If that's what he did - I didn't hear him do that, but if that's what he did, that would be inappropriate. Because as you've noticed in my responses to your question, I cast them as equal examples of emotion.



Tavis: Which I respect. And maybe he meant that, I don't know.



The link to the full transcript is here: http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/archive/200... listened to it on iTunes and you can hear HLG's hesitancy (i.e. "What are you expecting me to say Tavis???").



There was a link here at JJP on the Gates segment that didn't focus on this angle but you have to hear the entire interview to hear Tavis trying to force-feed ole Skip the Obama haterade LOL!



** Note that Clinton, McCain and all of the pundits up in arms about Obama's SF statements on PA voters being "angry and bitter" had nothing to say about Obama's use of those terms towards black people in his speech.

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