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1 year ago
in “They become their parents.” on newcritics
Hey, I thought this was an excellent debut - I came in with less than a abundant appreciation of The Graduate, and now I want to watch it in full again to see how everyone's insight stacks up.
And I can't wait till next - that's a movie I love: In the Heat of the Night.
And I can't wait till next - that's a movie I love: In the Heat of the Night.
1 year ago
in Edwards to Endorse Obama Tonight on Shakesville
Wait, did Obama call Edwards "sweetie?"
1 year ago
in Why I Post About Politics On This Blog on A VC
Thanks Fred - I'm more of a junkie that you are, and heavily invested in the race. Actually, your readers have wider perspectives on politics than I normally find out there. Mo - I'm with you on seasoning, very much so.
1 year ago
in The Google President on A VC
Wow, I feel just the opposite - to me, "chosen one" is much scarier.
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Greg Cannon
I guess the difference is that the "chosen one" schtick is Obama getting caught up in the moment. I don't think the guy has a messianic character. If I did, I'd steer clear of him. And I guess I think that, in the end, the reality of the Oval Office will knock him back to reality whereas I don't think that will be enough to cure Hillary of what I think ails her. In fact, I think it will only make things worse.
1 year ago
in The Google President on A VC
Michael, no one said you're a misogynist - I respect your choice (though it seems you don't respect mine - the anti-Clinton stuff just came tumbling out there). I do believe that Senator Obama would be better served by not remaining silent on the bitter sexist attacks on his opponent - someone, by the way, who shares virtually all of his policy views when compared to the GOP, and someone whose constituency he'd need quite desperately in the fall.
No one said you're cultish either. That doesn't mean the cult ain't out there, because it is. And I don't get a "sense of country" from the Obama movement. I get a sense of savior - and I naturally recoil. Can't help it. Just me, but many others feel the same way.
And yeah, I'm a cynic - I don't believe in the audacity of hope. I think it's crap (indeed, not even a decent metaphor English - hope isn't audacious, it's more of a common denominator). A pop slogan. Give me universal health care in the richest nation on the planet instead.
No one said you're cultish either. That doesn't mean the cult ain't out there, because it is. And I don't get a "sense of country" from the Obama movement. I get a sense of savior - and I naturally recoil. Can't help it. Just me, but many others feel the same way.
And yeah, I'm a cynic - I don't believe in the audacity of hope. I think it's crap (indeed, not even a decent metaphor English - hope isn't audacious, it's more of a common denominator). A pop slogan. Give me universal health care in the richest nation on the planet instead.
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Michael
Tom, please allow me to put this plainly: You wrote a post levying certain assertions, and I challenged them. It's fair and fine if we disagree, but backpedaling on those assertions (and their effect) after the fact is ... well, you're better than that. (And for the ur-literal: no, you did not categorically state I am a misogynist; I followed your line of "sexist" / "feminist" accusations to their logical conclusion in a manner actually less-frothing as the way in which you issued them.)
But perhaps you were indeed too cynical -- 'The Audacity of Hope' was meant as mini-teleology, an ironic twist on what Jed Purdy might otherwise have entitled 'For Common Things', the finality or end-run of cynicism. It's no wonder that eluded you! ; )
But perhaps you were indeed too cynical -- 'The Audacity of Hope' was meant as mini-teleology, an ironic twist on what Jed Purdy might otherwise have entitled 'For Common Things', the finality or end-run of cynicism. It's no wonder that eluded you! ; )
1 year ago
in The Google President on A VC
Greg - I actually went the other way on "not screwing up" part. The whole movement feel on Obama's side is so troubling. Part of him seems to be a regular progressive Democrat, and another part seems to accept "The One" status - which could get us into tons of trouble on every front. With Hillary, I know exactly what I'm getting. And I respect her.
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Greg Cannon
In the end, I will of course support her if she's the nominee. My two biggest problems with her: Iraq and the sense that she's entitled to the nomination. For me, the latter is worse than Obama's willingness to accept the "chosen one" mantle.
1 year ago
in The Google President on A VC
Where? Link? (He certainly did it very quietly if what you're saying is true)
1 year ago
in The Google President on A VC
Well, that two families stuff is just there to disqualify the "wife of..." even though she's more qualified. I don't like that argument very much. It's not her fault George Bush is president. And yeah, the cynicism is baked in - when this cult crashes (because the expectations are now out there for some vast religious awakening that won't happen) it will be very, very ugly indeed.
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charlie crystle
Obama spoke out about the pimping statement. pay attention.
Greg Cannon
I'm supporting Obama, but actually expecting little from him beyond the basics of not actively screwing things up a la Bush. And while it's not Hillary's "fault" that Bill got to the White House first, she can't very well claim those two terms on her resume and then blame me and many like me for having Clinton fatigue. It's not her "fault" she's married to Bill, but it's not mine either.
1 year ago
in The Google President on A VC
Three aspects to the sexism thing, all troubling:
- Obama's supporters everywhere on the mainstream Democratic sites, blogs, boards. Tons of nasty "little old lady" comments, referencing right-wing talking points, and general shouting down of pro-Hillary feminist viewpoints. (BTW, this has also happened at some caucus sites). The campaign is silent.
- The anti-Clinton media machine, with its virulently anti-woman tone, the most recent example being Matthews and Shuster on MSNBC (apologies, suspension) but also Maureen Dowd, Andrew Sullivan, myriad others. Obama's silence, particularly on the Shuster "pimping" comment, was telling to me. How easily he could have gained points with feminists!
- Finally, the attitude of the candidate himself - "likeable enough," "tea parties," "the claws come out," the snub. All very telling, and kind of ugly.
The cult does exist, and its religious is there, from Oprah on down - the idea of "The One." Very ant-American to me. And yes, I'm cynical - I cop to that. I used to cover politics in the Bronx way back in the day, so it's scrubbed in.
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- Obama's supporters everywhere on the mainstream Democratic sites, blogs, boards. Tons of nasty "little old lady" comments, referencing right-wing talking points, and general shouting down of pro-Hillary feminist viewpoints. (BTW, this has also happened at some caucus sites). The campaign is silent.
- The anti-Clinton media machine, with its virulently anti-woman tone, the most recent example being Matthews and Shuster on MSNBC (apologies, suspension) but also Maureen Dowd, Andrew Sullivan, myriad others. Obama's silence, particularly on the Shuster "pimping" comment, was telling to me. How easily he could have gained points with feminists!
- Finally, the attitude of the candidate himself - "likeable enough," "tea parties," "the claws come out," the snub. All very telling, and kind of ugly.
The cult does exist, and its religious is there, from Oprah on down - the idea of "The One." Very ant-American to me. And yes, I'm cynical - I cop to that. I used to cover politics in the Bronx way back in the day, so it's scrubbed in.
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Greg Cannon
Tom, I'm a former reporter myself so I know of what you speak. I'm making a conscious effort to be less cynical (quitting the newspaper business certainly helped ;-) You raise some valid points, but I don't think Obama should have to apologize for for some ninny on cable said or even make a point to denounce it. And while he's certainly milking the "cult" thing, you can't blame him for attracting that kind of following in the first place. What I see as unAmerican is the prospect of entering a third decade under the leadership of one of the same two families. Enough.
Ethan Bauley
Tom's criticisms are somewhat legitimate but they are pretty pale compared to Larry Lessig's withering critique of Clinton's mischaracterizations and knowingly false statements about Obama's record.
Larry Lessig on Obama v. Clinton
Lessig was right when he termed these tactics "Rovean", as in Karl Rove. I love both Clintons' policies but they are completely committed to working within an unsustainable system.
Clinton thinks "change" means "no more Bush"; it really means shifting the culture of Washington, which starts with where the money comes from. And Obama is leading the way there (among other important places he is innovating).
Larry Lessig on Obama v. Clinton
Lessig was right when he termed these tactics "Rovean", as in Karl Rove. I love both Clintons' policies but they are completely committed to working within an unsustainable system.
Clinton thinks "change" means "no more Bush"; it really means shifting the culture of Washington, which starts with where the money comes from. And Obama is leading the way there (among other important places he is innovating).
Michael
I think this is proof positive how important this race is, especially in light of the last seven years; there's oversensitivity to go around. If there is any clear evidence of unfounded animosity, it comes from the MSM and Chris "Aqua Velva" Matthews in particular. But, I can't sit idly by and let this sort of conjecture go undisturbed.
I have firmly come into the Obama camp after a long, hard look at all my options. And I feel exactly zero shame in holding my head high in support of him. Does that make me cultish, to have pride not just in a candidate, but in a renewed sense of Country? If I were to say someone showed their claws, and that person is female, does that make me a misogynist? If a handful of random, anonymous people say mean things, do those reflect Obama's views as if he said them himself? If Chris Matthews (et alia) goes bananas, does that represent anything other than his / their own faults? (Is that not simply proof that the leading punditocracy is simply too far gone, and really nothing more?)
Critically, If a woman -- yes, a woman! -- no matter how self-identified, has a career even partially enabled by her notoriously philandering male spouse, exactly how does she score on the scale of Absolute Feminism? Are you, Mister Man, the judge? Does Steinem matter, but Paglia not? Does NY's NOW matter, but not Chicago's? Is she the ne plus ultra of feminism because she is the embodiment of feminism, or because she is simply the leading female figure of the day? And, do you get a feminist cookies for promoting Hillary, while I must be misogynist for challenging that position, even ever so lightly?
Tom, if you wish to support Clinton, please do so. You won't get any grief from me for positively backing your candidate. But sooner or later, you should realize that your comments & thinking convey the same Beltway mindset, the other side of the same (Bush) coin, that so many are lamenting ...and moving past. It's the view that things really just won't get any better, that everything is as you define it. It is the "change" as defined by Clinton herself -- to be anti-Bush, as he was anti-Clinton, as he was anti-Bush. It's the pinnacle of cynicism. And, unfortunately, that is precisely what a Clinton candidacy represents to me.
So say what you will about we cultists, we misogynists, we ... whatever out there. But between a high-minded sense of hope that discounts neither harsh reality nor glosses over hard work, and a candidate who, while perfectly smart and hard-working and skilled, will undoubtedly bring about more of the bitter sensibilities of the last um-teen years, I want to thank you for making my choice ever the more clear.
PS -- My apologies to Fred if this is out of line. Your house, after all.
I have firmly come into the Obama camp after a long, hard look at all my options. And I feel exactly zero shame in holding my head high in support of him. Does that make me cultish, to have pride not just in a candidate, but in a renewed sense of Country? If I were to say someone showed their claws, and that person is female, does that make me a misogynist? If a handful of random, anonymous people say mean things, do those reflect Obama's views as if he said them himself? If Chris Matthews (et alia) goes bananas, does that represent anything other than his / their own faults? (Is that not simply proof that the leading punditocracy is simply too far gone, and really nothing more?)
Critically, If a woman -- yes, a woman! -- no matter how self-identified, has a career even partially enabled by her notoriously philandering male spouse, exactly how does she score on the scale of Absolute Feminism? Are you, Mister Man, the judge? Does Steinem matter, but Paglia not? Does NY's NOW matter, but not Chicago's? Is she the ne plus ultra of feminism because she is the embodiment of feminism, or because she is simply the leading female figure of the day? And, do you get a feminist cookies for promoting Hillary, while I must be misogynist for challenging that position, even ever so lightly?
Tom, if you wish to support Clinton, please do so. You won't get any grief from me for positively backing your candidate. But sooner or later, you should realize that your comments & thinking convey the same Beltway mindset, the other side of the same (Bush) coin, that so many are lamenting ...and moving past. It's the view that things really just won't get any better, that everything is as you define it. It is the "change" as defined by Clinton herself -- to be anti-Bush, as he was anti-Clinton, as he was anti-Bush. It's the pinnacle of cynicism. And, unfortunately, that is precisely what a Clinton candidacy represents to me.
So say what you will about we cultists, we misogynists, we ... whatever out there. But between a high-minded sense of hope that discounts neither harsh reality nor glosses over hard work, and a candidate who, while perfectly smart and hard-working and skilled, will undoubtedly bring about more of the bitter sensibilities of the last um-teen years, I want to thank you for making my choice ever the more clear.
PS -- My apologies to Fred if this is out of line. Your house, after all.
1 year ago
in The Google President on A VC
Fred, you may be right but I hope you're wrong. Even more so tan the Google comparison, Obama has to tamp down concerns over the cultish/religious aspect of his campaig, and some of the outright sexism of some of his supporters and fans in the media.
"Only one Google" - the arrogance!
"Only one Google" - the arrogance!
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Greg Cannon
Sincere question: What examples of sexism from the Obama camp? Not saying there haven't been any, just not aware of them. I am aware, however, of the race politics being played by the Clintons. As for the "cultish" aspects of the campaign, frankly that just strikes me as cynicism on the part of people who are so past believing that a politician could possible inspire hope in people. If that's true than we really are done for and there's no sense paying attention to this whole thing in the first place.
1 year ago
in The New Outside.in on A VC
outside.in should have a charity/causes/events/volunteers aspect to it - now that would get viral
1 year ago
in Ganging Up On The Leader on A VC
"The thing that always happens in Risk is everyone starts ganging up on the leader. It's the only way to stop someone who has control of large continents with lots of armies."
Ha - that could be describing the presidential race, Fred.
Ha - that could be describing the presidential race, Fred.
1 year ago
in Closing Out Comments On Older Posts? on A VC
Fred, I'd personally never close out comments on the old posts - I have several years-old threads that I love. Bet you have a few - I'd urge you not to close the old threads.
2 years ago
in Confession of a Schizophrenic Movie Fan on newcritics
Siren said that these flicks "appeals to the still very male critical establishment, and therefore gets more respect."
Bingo. Looking for art.
Bingo. Looking for art.