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Re: This Is What the 2008 Electoral Map Would Look Like If the Election Were Decided by [Fill in the Blank]

Andrew — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:43:26 -0000

"im from texas and my family and i were all for obama,

most of the mccain people were white rednecks and racists." - Asclepius007

What a silly stereotype, if MOST of the McCain people were white redneck racists then why did Obama win Texas in the Map for those making under 50K? Wouldn't the logical connection be that a white redneck racist would make less than 50K. So I have to assume that "most" means over half, so if we don't assume that practically all Obama voters made under 50K then McCain would have won the "Under 50K" map. Why don't you take your baseless stereotypes elsewhere you racist.

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Andrew — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:31:10 -0000

Grow a brain, the man with the most money and the most simple (and illogical) message won. And cause of white guilt and such (Don't believe me? Read exit polling data. More people who said Race was an issue voted for Obama)

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Andrew — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:33:01 -0000

More life experience = Stupid? Riiiight. People over 65 tend to vote conservative because they don't like things to change cause they realize that the country has worked fine so far.

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Andrew — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:06:07 -0000

I'm sure that rednecks voted for McCain, but it is ignorant to say that most McCain supporters are rednecks. More people who voted on race voted for Obama so imore recist tendencies went for him rather than against him.

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Andrew — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:28:39 -0000

Race should NEVER be an issue in government. The government should never see a difference in people skin color and should never legislate along those lines. To say it upholds democratic principles to vote for someone only because of the color of their skin is outrageous. Instead of having a candidate who misleads the public with simple Robin Hood rhetoric who gets voted in because he'll be a novelty candidate we should have someone who wins because they have genuinely good ideas.

Americans should not care what other countries think of us. We should not be voting for people to appease a bunch of Europeans.

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Andrew — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:20:03 -0000

Politics has little to do with intelligence. Politics has to do with logic and common sense mixed with opinion, not how many facts you know. The elderly do vote conservative for MAAANY reasons, including the ones that you listed that I pretty much said already (they don't like things to change aka fear and comfortability) also because of morals and religion and such.

Regardless, there is wisdom and intelligence. The elderly have wisdom, the college graduates have intelligence. I'd say wisdom leads to better political and social decisions than intelligence though purely because wisdom implies you actually understand how things work and intelligence implies you've read how things should work.

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Andrew — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:25:44 -0000

I forgot that it was wrong for someone to stand up for their ideals by voting for candidates that best define them. Shame on those people with independent minds. I guess some independents couldn't bring themselves to vote for the bumbling and manipulative Robin Hood and some couldn't stand voting for the "why do they even call me a republican" maverick man.

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Andrew — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:51:45 -0000

Firstly, I said nothing about trade. Regardless of our personal feelings about other countries we are obviously a country for free trade. There is little to no chance that any country will stop trading with us just cause it doesn't like us. Beyond that, our recession affects most other nations so I doubt that people will run from us when helping us would be in their best interest to restore their economic stability.

Second, as an American I do not care what other countries think of politicians because they do not get votes and they do not have the same love for my country as I do. If I cared more about what Europeans thought about the candidates than which candidate would actually be better for America then I wouldn't be a very good citizen.

Thirdly, I expect my country to come to the aid of all of its allies in time of need. That includes European nations, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Israel and others. If a draft was needed to provide bodies for the defense of my brother countries then I would gladly enlist. On the other hand, to take offense to someone wanting to put the growth their own country before the opinions of foreigners is ignorant. I take some interest in who comes to be the heads of government of our European allies but I do not IN ANY WAY expect any European to care about my opinion or vote for anyone based on my opinions as its none of my business.

I would gladly have a discussion about how making race an issue is immoral and harmful to society but it's not going to get off the ground if all you can do is expect me to put your opinion on which candidate you would have liked to have elected above who would have actually been far more qualified for the office.

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Andrew — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:47:20 -0000

Firstly, to NOT say drill baby drill is irresponsible. There is nothing irresponsible about wanting to pursue the only rational way to end foreign energy dependence. To think that we can stay stable and continue to be dependent or blindly jump into using inefficient alternate energies is ignorant.

Secondly, yes, seniors are not the voice to look to for comprehensive Social Security reform.

Thirdly, polar bear populations have been rising for decades. They were only given endangered status due to a phantom scare.

Lastly, I can't think of any seniors I know that think the "end of days" is coming.

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Andrew — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:51:24 -0000

My argument is sound, if you disagree then provide a dissenting opinion. Also, the young are not world wise enough to do what is right. Obviously they know little since they voted in droves for an inexperienced candidate with absolutely atrocious ideas. People are blinded by "hope" and "change" when hope has nothing to do with ideologies and the change Obama represents is bad. Obama is not a man, he is a fad.

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Andrew — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:52:49 -0000

Thanks for providing a logical rebuttal.... oh wait, you didn't. I guess that means either one doesn't exist or you lack the necessary knowledge of the issue to put forward one.

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Andrew — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:56:32 -0000

No surprise, Republican states vote Republican. Show me the day New York or California turns red. Their messiah has come and I wish he had pulled a Moses and just led all the Liberals to Canada instead of corrupting the American ideals.

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Andrew — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:22:55 -0000

Do you even think before you post something?

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Andrew — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:24:48 -0000

At least they weren't as bad as D.C. Remember how they reelected that mayor who was caught with hookers and coke?

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Andrew — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:29:14 -0000

Lets see... how to refute this... hmmm... here it goes

They grew up in a time when segregation was still practiced and was a big part of the DEMOCRATIC party. Now, to be fair, the southern democratic party was socially conservative at that time and does not align fully with the current Democratic party but the point still stands; the Republican party HAS NEVER BEEN FOR SEGREGATION. So to say that old people are overwhelmingly segregationist is a stretch, so say that is why they vote Republican is BEYOND ridiculous.

Now, about the youth. The young generally vote Democratic because they are less wise, many are uninformed, and ALL of them have been subject to the biased media and school systems (the young are notorious for being easy to brainwash). Beyond that, a college degree does little to make you knowledgeable about politics or political ideas (knowing how to derive functions or write a sentence without grammatical errors does not help you know whether or not abortion is wrong). As people age they move more to the right, it's history.

About the whole "1/3 of Southern Whites voted for Obama". Ever heard of the "Red South"? The South usually votes majority Republican, you are not revealing anything new. If you actually look at exit polls then you will see that people who said race was a factor in their vote placed their vote for Obama the majority of the time (53% to 45%). This shows that his skin color HELPED him more than hurt him so if anything then the country is more racist against whites than blacks. I'd be more worried about prejudice against the elderly (as you might have shown yourself) since nearly twice as many people said that was a factor in their vote and 66% of those voted for Obama.

If you wish to generalize by geography then should we say the North and West are all brainwashed hippie elitists. I know that's not true however, since there were some votes for McCain in both the North AND the West ;)

Seriously though, in the end the Democratic platform has more mentions of race than a KKK mission statement. The Republican platform (as far as I've seen so far) is devoid of any mention of race, and that is as it should be. The government should not see skin color at all. I find the Democratic platform to be offensive in their inclusion of race in their policies and the Republican platform is by far the least racist of the two.

Regardless of all of this, I thank you for using good sentence structure and grammar in your argument and actually including statistics to try and support your argument. I respect your opinion except for the last paragraph.

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Andrew — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:31:34 -0000

Oh yea, forgot, all exit poll statistics I used were pulled from the CNN website. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/...

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Andrew — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:23:41 -0000

I didn't set up any education system. I can't think of any person who did. It's teachers and the media that brainwash our children as they grow up. Beyond that, show me where McCain lied during the debates and I can show you where Obama lied. That's what politicians do.

You don't seem to understand that conservatives care as much if not more about the poor than liberals. We, however, are not willing to steal other people's money to give to the poor. Conservatives favor charitable donation over stealing money that doesn't belong to you from other people. I can't see someone who votes liberal really saying they care about the poor cause it's not like THEY are giving any money to the poor, just the rich people.

Why would people "forget" about abortions? If someone was going around shooting people in the head every hour unchecked I wouldn't say "forget that murderer who we refuse to imprison". No caring human being is going to "forget" about the unjust murder of countless children.

Also, I haven't seen any comprehensive plan by Obama to improve inequality in the schooling system while the Republican platform supports the highly efficient voucher system.

In the end, the only people who can be considered selfish in this election are the ones who voted for Obama because they are banking that the rich will pay for the poor and they themselves (the voter) will have to pay nothing and maybe even make more. Not to mention that McCain's plan has shown that it would increase growth by twice the amount of Obama's plan in practically all sectors.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/cda08-09...

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Andrew — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:43:44 -0000

Thank you ORLY, it is nice to see someone who can go about a debate with class instead of mindlessly spouting off inane comments. You have shown the kind of levelheaded respect for thoughtful debate that entitles you to a good amount of respect yourself.

Honestly, I cannot make any sense out of uwstout's comment. Are you just saying rich people suck or what? It seems like your method of argument is making ridiculous comments then in order to stifle any rebuttal from me you say that I'm a douche Republican and you don't care about my opinion. Btw, show me where McCain said he was going to strip education spending.

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Andrew — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:02:53 -0000

I'll respond to every paragraph in order.

First, you seem to think that the President is the arbiter of our economy. He is not. Look at Clinton's Presidency, he had a big economic boon when he did practically nothing for the economy. He received a boom because of the internet boom. The economy and Presidency are not as intertwined as people think. The main reason for the current economic downturn is the mortgage problem that was forced by Democrats, the spike in oil we had that hurt many many companies, and the reduction in the value in the dollar. Also, if Bush had stayed with the conservative base it would have reduced the effects of these 3 things but he strayed. Change, however, is not a positive thing in itself. The subjectivity of change comes in whether it helps or hurts. Obama's change means reduction in military strength, slowing growth, and increasing size of government. We need none of these things.

Second, People saw "Hope" with Hitler too. Don't fall into the trap. "Hope" is not a political policy. "Hope" does not run a country. The problem is that "Hope" is just a broad phrase used to describe a thoughtless emotional reaction to simple rhetoric. I can be hopeful that stealing money from people who have earned it and giving it to people who haven't necessarily earned it but that doesn't mean a thing. He is a fad because people like his novelty: simple rhetoric, affluent black male (more people voting for him because of his race rather than against him), high media coverage, internet phenomenon. He has all the hallmarks of someone who people follow because they think it's hip.

Third. Hmmm, 55/43 for white voters and 95/4 for black voters... which one is more lopsided? Putting (or not putting) a President in office because of his skin color is wrong. More so, it is silly to say we needed a black president to show that our Country is the land of opportunity, people already know that.

Lastly, wisdom is something that comes from experience. Experience is something the youth (and Obama ;) ) don't have. Then again, you can throw away anything I say cause I'm 19 anyhow.

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Andrew — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:04:06 -0000

If Ron Paul hadn't been against the war he might have had a chance to win the nomination... also people were turned off because Ron Paul supporters seemed even crazier than Obama supporters.

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Andrew — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:04:59 -0000

Glad to see people can come up with constructive criticism ^_^ It's okay if you're not smart enough to formulate a competent rebuttal, not everyone can.

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Andrew — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:09:50 -0000

Edit: "I can be hopeful that stealing money from people who have earned it and giving it to people who haven't necessarily earned it but that doesn't mean a thing."

I haven't slept in a while, I need to rewrite this sentence

I can be hopeful that stealing money from the people who employ the workers of America and giving that money to other people will help the economy but my "Hope" is worthless since logic would say that taking money from my boss would lead him to pay me less anyhow or fire me.

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Andrew — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:13:30 -0000

I only notice something right with Oklahoma... it's always red.

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Andrew — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:53:21 -0000

I assume he took exit polling data by state

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Andrew — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:53:40 -0000

Your post is not really an argument, more a statement of positions. I still feel compelled to comment on it though just to clear things up.

1. Iraq is the main battleground in the war on terror. Osama himself has said this and many of the enemy combatants over there are terrorists. Also, abandoning the Iraqis while they are trying to rebuild their government sends a horrible message to any countries in need.

2. Economy... http://www.heritage.org/Research/taxes/cda08-09...

3. Nothing to say here since you have your mind made up. Just remember that A) there is no scientific consensus on man-made climate change B) The arbiter of temperature in our solar system is the sun, not gasses that make up less than a percent of our atmosphere. Personally I think that the whole movement is just a scare tactic so scientists can get more cash from making up studies and the liberals can cash in on selling people inefficient alternative energies. I mean, the temperature on other planets is going up so I don't see why people expect us to be different.

4. Oil is good. It is highly efficient and decently plentiful. Drilling allows us to keep more of our own money. Personally I'm looking forward to Nuclear and Hydrogen power but we should use what we have. Alternative energy sources are wildly inefficient, there is practically no incentive to switch.

5. People will always hate who is in first place. Also, other countries do not choose the president and if they want to have a specific candidate then they can suck it. I know that doesn't sound like a respectful position but it is SO pretentious for other countries to think they can have a say in who we elect that all I can say to them is suck on my balls. Seriously, I DO NOT CARE. There is practically no country with a legit reason to hate us and many with legit reasons to LOVE us. If Europe hates us so much then they should pay back the Marshall Plan (adjusted for inflation).

6.Fear is necessary. A nation without fear is foolish and vulnerable. Obama didn't play on fears because he wants people to be as irrational and naive as possible.

7. I don't really understand this point. McCain took public funds so he couldn't get direct contributions to my knowledge. Just because he brainwashed enough people to donate to his campaign doesn't make him a good president.

8. Stealing money is not a good policy. Beyond that, the rich already pay the majority of the tax burden. That doesn't sound like equality to me. In this country the pay in jobs go up as the skill level required goes up, and that is as it should be. If you think that people aren't paid enough then make your own company and pay them whatever you want. We already have relative freedom of opportunity, to reward people for not taking the time to learn a trade or profession. And if you think taking money from the people who run the economy will strengthen it then you are not thinking clearly.

Other:
1. Agree

2. Agree

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Andrew — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:54:37 -0000

Thanx ^_^

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Andrew — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:59:36 -0000

Good technique, once you fail to come up with a rebuttal you resort to personal attacks. Show me a point I had no rebuttal for and I will gladly concede or provide for one. It's funny that people attack Rush Limbaugh though. He has done more with a GED than you ever will with a college degree and he has most likely already helped this world FAR more than you ever will.

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Andrew — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:12:50 -0000

Do you mean Chinese or Asian?