DISQUS

Aw, you ruined it. I would have bet a decent sum of money that "Wildflower" would agree with that statement as written, given past statements (see, above and in other topics) and the displayed hatred of Christians.  You should have let him/her answer for themself.

And what it has to do with is just that - the hatred displayed by some over matters religious or religious-connected.  Now what that has to do with Obama's love for high speed rail, I don't know - but I wasn't the one who brought it up here, now was I?

No, it's not. Maybe you ought to spend a little less time reading moveondotorg propaganda, and a little more finding the truth.  Look at the Recreate '68 website, and you'll see just who IS calling for riots.....and it ain't Limbaugh or any other talk radio host.

I wonder, Wildflower, if you'd agree with this statment: "The "Christian" capitalist regards work as the means to the exploitation of other peoples. He never works as a productive creator without the great aim of becoming the master. He works unproductively, using and enjoying other people's work. And thus we understand the iron sentence which Mommsen once uttered: 'The capitalist is the ferment of decomposition in peoples,' that means that the he destroys and must destroy because he completely lacks the conception of an activity which builds up the life of the community. And therefore it is beside the point whether the individual evangelical Christian is 'decent' or not. In himself he carries those characteristics which Nature has given him, and he cannot ever rid himself of those characteristics. And to us he is harmful. Whether he harms us consciously or unconsciously, that is not our affair. We have consciously to concern ourselves for the welfare of our own people."

So, the convention hasn't even happened, but you're already..... ....accusing the "CO GOP" of  causing violence to disrupt the convention.

Talk about being a "provocateur."  Who's paying you?

Maybe all those Coloradans.... ....looking for jobs can go where ICE is conducting all the raids, and get the jobs that illegal aliens have had to leave behind?

And there wil be... ...pie in the sky, by-and-by.........

I wonder, Wildflower, if you'd agree with this statment: "The "Christian" capitalist regards work as the means to the exploitation of other peoples. He never works as a productive creator without the great aim of becoming the master. He works unproductively, using and enjoying other people's work. And thus we understand the iron sentence which Mommsen once uttered: 'The capitalist is the ferment of decomposition in peoples,' that means that the he destroys and must destroy because he completely lacks the conception of an activity which builds up the life of the community. And therefore it is beside the point whether the individual evangelical Christian is 'decent' or not. In himself he carries those characteristics which Nature has given him, and he cannot ever rid himself of those characteristics. And to us he is harmful. Whether he harms us consciously or unconsciously, that is not our affair. We have consciously to concern ourselves for the welfare of our own people."

Uh, because..... ....he was and is totally corrupt?

Look how much money they've made since he left the presidency........by accident? Good luck?  I don't think so.

What is.... ....Colorado Confidential's policy on the use of such anonymous sources?

OH, wait, THERE.... ...it is.....that Mrs. Dobson is coordinating the day's efforts.  Gee, I guess that "coordinating" now means "dictating" if your a libbie.......

Funny, I didn't see even a mention of.... .....Focus on the Family in that story.  (There was, of course, the obligatory liberal nasty swipe at "Holy Rollers"). 

I think maybe several somebodies' blind hatred for Christians is showing......

If you look at their website, Recreate '68.... ...seems to detest the democrat party quite a bit. 

But what I was curious about was if anyone had heard anything from that crowd about the state convention - they're already full of plans for the national convention, you know.  (Or if you don't, just take a look at their website).

(By the way, standard Internet conventions and customs hold that typing in ALL CAPS is the online version of shouting........)

Hmmm.....no response from Media Matters. Gee, I wonder why not?

Can we expect..... ......demonstrations and even riots at the state convention, too?  Anybody heard anything from the Recreate '68 folks on this one?

Attention media matters FORMAL

OPINION


of

DUANE WOODARD

Attorney General

No. 88-10

AG Alpha No. LO AD AGAQY

December 16, 1988

Tim Schultz

Executive Director


Department of Local Affairs


1313 Sherman St., Room 518


Denver, Colorado 80203

RE: Colorado's status as a "right to work" state.

Dear Mr. Schultz:

This opinion letter is in response to your November 11, 1988 letter, in which you inquired whether Colorado is a right to work state.

QUESTION PRESENTED AND CONCLUSION

Your request for an attorney general's opinion presents the question:

Whether the provisions of the Colorado Labor Peace Act, or any other law, causes Colorado to be properly described as a "right to work" state?

No.

ANALYSIS

The origin of the phrase "right to work" is often attributed to a 1941 Dallas Morning News editorial which urged the adoption of an amendment to the federal constitution protecting the right of employees to work without coercion with respect to joining a labor union. See William B. Ruggles, Dallas Morning News, Tuesday, January 12, 1965, "An Open Letter to the President." However, the phrase "right to work" has developed over the past 50 years primarily in connection with state constitutional or statutory provisions permitted by section 14(b) of the National Labor Relations Act of 1935, 29 U.S.C. Section 164(b) (1988). As commonly understood, a "right to work" state is one which, either by constitutional or statutory provision, prohibits contractual terms conditioning employment on membership in or financial support of a labor organization. See generally, Anno., Validity and Construction of Right to Work Laws, 92 A.L.R. 2d 598, 599; Note, International Union of the Plumbing & Pipefitting Industry Local 141 v. NLRB: Closing the Door on Representation Fees in Right to Work States, 1983 Wisc. L. Rev. 1231, 1231 n.2; Eissinger, The Right to Work Imbroglio, 51 N.D. L. Rev. 571, 573 n.8, 575 (1975). See also, e.g., United Steelworkers of America v. Johnson, 830 F.2d 924, 925 (8th Cir. 1987); Meade Electric Co. v. Hagberg, 129 Ind. App. 631, 159 N.E. 2d 408, 413-14 (1959).

Colorado has neither a constitutional nor a statutory provision prohibiting labor agreements which condition employment upon membership in or support of a labor union. In 1958, Colorado voters rejected the opportunity to amend their constitution to explicitly include such a provision.FN1 The Colorado Labor Peace Act, (the "CPLA"), Sections 8-3-101 to 124, C.R.S. (1986), which was enacted in 1943 as a comprehensive labor relations regulatory scheme, 1943 Colo. Sess. Laws, does not include such a provision either. The CPLA provides, in pertinent part:

An employer shall not be prohibited from entering into an all-union agreement with the representative of his employees ... if such all union agreement is approved by the affirmative vote of at least a majority of all employees eligible to vote or three quarters or more of the employees who actually voted whichever is greater ... in favor of such all union agreement....

Section 8-3-108(1)(c)(I), C.R.S. (1986) (emphasis added).

Because this provision only regulates, rather than prohibits, union security agreements, Colorado does not qualify as a "right to work" state. Building Construction Trades Council v. American Builders, Inc., 139 Colo. 226, 337 P.2d 953, 960 (1959). See also Communications Workers of America v. Western Electric Co., 198 Colo 128, 551 P.2d 1065 (1976).

SUMMARY

An agreement requiring membership in a labor organization as a condition of employment is, under certain circumstances, permitted in this state. The Colorado Labor Peace Act explicitly provides that employers "shall not be prohibited" from entering such agreements, provided certain preconditions are met. Consequently, Colorado does not fall within the traditional meaning of a "right to work" state.

Sincerely,

DUANE WOODARD

Attorney General

DW:13818:wp

AG Alpha No. LO AD AGAQY


AG File No. OHR8806303/AQY

LABOR UNIONS

ELECTIONS


EMPLOYEES

Section 8-3-101 to 124 (1986)

29 U.S.C. Sections 141-187 (1988)

LOCAL AFFAIRS DEPT.

Colorado is not a right to work state. The Colorado Labor Peace Act explicitly authorizes execution of agreements conditioning employment on union membership or financial support if a qualifying referendum has been voted favorably upon by a majority of employees eligible to vote or 3/4 of those voting.

Has that changed since 1988?  Or are you trying to mislead readers about that important AG's opinion?

Total non-sequiter....... "Unfortunately, this case is going be spun as holding that "Voter ID laws are constitutional" when in fact it holds only that they are not per se unconstitutional."

Isn't that a lot like arguing over what the definition of "is" is?

More from their website.... Welcome to the "Re-create 68" website, your virtual activists' Convergence Center for the Denver Democratic National Convention of 2008. This website was created for all the grassroots people who are tired of being sold out by the Democratic Party.

R-68 agrees with the proposition, POTESTAS IN POPULO, "all power comes from the people." What stands between the people and power are the party machines. The parties were devised as a means to represent the people. Today they represent nobody, not even party members, but only party bureaucracy. The people have been left without appropriate institutions for their representation. We intend to create those institutions!

Join us in the streets of Denver as we resist a two-party system that allows imperialism and racism to continue unrestrained.

What Recreate '68 is planning...... Days of Resistance

August 24-28, 2008


During the Convention, there will be five major protests, one each day. Each protest will focus on a symptom of the disease of an Imperialist, Capitalist, Racist system as seen in our communities. Some of the proposed themes are as follows:

Sunday - End All Occupations at Home and Abroad

Monday - Human Rights/Free All Political Prisoners


Tuesday - No Borders


Wednesday - No Warming


Thursday - No Racism/Imperialism

As actions develop, we will post more information!

So, "Hater," we are safe in assuming.... ....that you would call for the indictment of Rev. Al Sharpton, too?

I posted the whole story... ....and her complaint was dismissed because she wasn't a registered voter.  It said so quite specifically.  Further, it included her claim that she thought she was registered, as well as numerous other facts not reported here, though clearly relevant to the issue.

So what is so "wrong?"  Why is that supposedly "so-called" truthtelling?

No doubt you receive some small personnal satisfaction out of accusing those who you perceive to be on the other side of politics from you of lying, but you've just engaged in it yourself.  How does that make you feel?

What was actually said....... RUSH: Jerry in Denver.  (laughter)  Welcome to the EIB Network, sir.  Hello.  You're listening on KOA.

CALLER:  Hi, Rush.  Nice to talk to you.

RUSH:  Thank you.

CALLER:  I know the Drive-Bys are gonna start coming after you about your "dreaming of riots" in Denver, and they've already started in the Denver papers. But it's kind of strange that the Denver police and fire departments are already doing training for crowd control and they're bringing in police officers from outlying suburbs to supplement the Denver Police Department, and they've already been advised that they have 750 so far and they're going to need another few thousand for the convention.

RUSH:  Right.  And this is all because I am "dreaming of riots."

CALLER:  There you go, and they've also put the Colorado National Guard on a 24-hour alert for the thing, so...

RUSH:  It sounds like a paramilitary operation out there being prepared here to deal with --

CALLER:  No riots.

RUSH:  -- raucous protesters at the Democrat National Convention in Denver.

CALLER:  Yeah, it's just really strange that the --

RUSH:  Isn't that funny? Isn't that amazing?

CALLER:  Yeah. The media says --

RUSH:  And you say that the local Drive-Bys have been reporting this?

CALLER:  Yeah, there was an article in the news last night.

RUSH:  Let me ask you a question about this, Jerry.  In the local Drive-By reports on all of the efforts -- paramilitary and others -- to prepare for possible unrest, have any potential protest groups been identified by the Drive-By Media?

CALLER:  Recreate '68 is one.  They had an article on them.

RUSH:  Uh, wait a minute, Jere.  Hang on here just a second.  I want to make sure that everybody heard what you just said.  There is a protest group in Denver called Recreate '68?

CALLER:  They're headquartered in Longmont or Boulder, which is kind of amazing, huh?  The leader of that organization --

RUSH:  (laughter.)

CALLER:  -- is a close friend of Ward Churchill.  His name is Glenn Spagnuolo.

RUSH:  Glenn Spagnuolo, good friend of Ward Churchill is the leader of Recreate '68.

CALLER:  That's correct.

RUSH:  Headquartered in Boulder.

CALLER:  In the Boulder area.

RUSH:  Alright. Now, let me ask this question of you, Jerry.  When you hear an organization entitled Recreate '68, what do you think?

CALLER:  Well, I remember the convention of 1968 in Chicago with Mayor Daley. They just about destroyed that city, and that's --

RUSH:  How?

CALLER:  -- what he's trying to do.

RUSH:  How did they destroy the city, Jerry?  What happened in Chicago in 1968?

CALLER:  Well, they were burning cars, smashing storefronts, running up and down the streets.

RUSH:  Wait! You mean there were riots?

CALLER:  Oh, yes.

RUSH:  At the Democrat convention in Chicago 1968?

CALLER:  That's correct.

RUSH:  And there's now a group in the Boulder area headed up by some Spagnuolo guy who's a best friend, or close friend of Ward Churchill called Recreate '68?

CALLER:  Recreate '68.

RUSH:  And now the paramilitary and cops are arming up and preparing for potential unrest in Denver in August for the Democrat National Convention?

CALLER:  Yes, they are.  They're going through training as we speak.

RUSH:  Now, in any of these Drive-By Media reports, Jerry, that you have read; how far back do they go? A week? A month? How long have you been reading about these stories?

CALLER:  It's just been recently.  The Recreate '68 guys' petition to get permits to parade -- and they were protesting, they weren't allotted the right amount of permits -- and they were also meeting with the Denver Police Department to lay down ground rules that they wanted the police to accept of how they were going to handle arrests and so forth.

RUSH:  Really?  The Recreate '68 group met with the cops to try to strike a deal on how arrests would be handled? So the Recreate '68 group intends, or at least is planning on some kind of action that would require the cops to arrest them and they want to strike a deal with how?

CALLER:  Well, they were anticipating that.

RUSH:  Yeah.  Now, think back. I want you to. A week ago you started reading about this. Was this a month ago? March?  February?

CALLER:  Yeah, let's see. There was an article about a week and a half ago in the Rocky Mountain News that the Recreate people were holding seminars with their members, with attorneys giving them advice on how to deal with the police, because they said, "The policemen are not your friends and they will lie to you."

RUSH:  Let me ask you this, Jerry. In any of those stories a week and a half ago, two weeks ago, did you read my name?

CALLER:  Not in those.  But I just read it recently, or it was on Channel 4 in Denver last night that they mentioned your name about "dreaming of riots" in Denver.

RUSH:  Yeah.  So that has captured attention. From what I understand, most of the talk radio stations in Denver are talking about it. All three television stations are talking about it. The newspapers are writing about it, about me on this program the day before yesterday and yesterday talking to people, "dreaming of riots."

CALLER:  There you go.

From you silence, we must presume... ...that you do not deny the facts reported, even though by Mr. Jones at Face The State.  Guess the factual accuracy and completeness of the "media matters" only when you can bash at conservatives and Republicans, eh?

Hmmm....no response from the union flack to the facts..... .....as usual. 

You still have not given any facts... ....that would refute the claim made in this instance.  So do you admit that, in this one instance, their reporting was correct and accurate, or not?

And her complaint WAS dismissed.... ....so isn't that very relevant to the story?  Shouldn't that have been included in your reporting?  But you didn't mention it at ALL.  Silence.  How is that impartial journalistic reporting of events of public importance?