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4 months ago
in “Country First”? Hardly, John McCain on Jack and Jill Politics
You know we can all analyze Palin's record, ethics, and electability to the cows come home. WE are not her target demographic. But she looks attractive to a lot of people: some PUMAs, evangelicals, pro-lifers. People who may not have been voting for Obama and may have stayed home now have someone to vote for. McCain may be LAME but he certainly knows how to play the GAME. He is not giving up without a fight. Besides a lot of people do NOT think! Nor do they think logically or critically. I know a Black woman in her 50's who is voting for McCain due to her stance against abortion. Look at all the people who voted for Bush....many now have no job or home. But they'd probably do it again. I also spoke with a Latino couple while in Denver who claimed to be Democrats but are just not sold on Obama. And the wife said she didn't like Michelle to boot! They had no real policy issue it was all surface. I could've just dismissed them as prejudiced but we spoke for a bit. They say they're voting for McCain despite Hillary's 'support' of Obama. Just like with his choice of Biden was to shore up targeted voters, Obama will need to address this. And everyone else needs to see it from a different perspective and not attempt to diminish its significance to them. People vote against their interests all of the time. Now is not the time to assume reason will prevail. There's a LOT of work that has to be done.
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4 months ago
in McCain Chooses a Running Mate: Sarah Palin on Jack and Jill Politics
Sorry but a few speeches this week means they're on board. Hillary referred to Barack as her opponent less than two weeks ago. Hilary can be the attack dog to Palin and remind all of us the aspects that made her a formidable candidate.
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GreenLadyHere
H&F: "Hillary can be the ATTACK DOG to Palin. . . "
ABSOLUTELY!!! She can temporarily mutate form SSSSSSnake to A.D. :>) :>)
ABSOLUTELY!!! She can temporarily mutate form SSSSSSnake to A.D. :>) :>)
4 months ago
in McCain’s Trying to Make History, too, But It Won’t Save Him on Jack and Jill Politics
Well it was a nice play on the chess board all the same. Everyone's talking about it cuz if it had been Romney it would've been one big snooze. Palin's a mom, she's liked in her state and she addresses environmental concerns. I'm sick of those PUMAs but Obama and the supporters will need to continue to address them the same he had to shore up the Geritol crowd of undecided whites. He can't leave anything to chance. But I am hoping for a landslide victory that will shut up the talking teevee heads for good!
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99 Percent Sure
What's messed up is Mrs. Greenspan and Massa Buchanan as well as Tweety are saying that McCaint's choice has set Obama's campaign back on its heels, with Obama having to rush in with a less biting comment after his campaign attacked Palin as VP choice.
The disingenuousness of corporate media continues unabated.
Some comments on the Cafferty Files blog:
The disingenuousness of corporate media continues unabated.
Some comments on the Cafferty Files blog:
It's a good enough sampling of the hundreds of responses to get an idea of the negativity that anonymous commenters/potential voters feel. No matter how corporate media and the repugs try to spin it, it's a bad move.
Barry Cohen August 29th, 2008 1:46 pm ET - She’d better learn how to spell “potato…”
Colleen, Weddington, North Carolina August 29th, 2008 1:47 pm ET
McCain has his $500.00 shoes in his mouth.
Mike C - Wethersfield CT August 29th, 2008 1:48 pm ET - Jack,
I think John McCain just wants Sara Palin available for CPR.
Anne August 29th, 2008 1:49 pm ET - McCain can no longer bring up the inexperience issue. Being head of the Alaska National Guard doesn’t exactly make you prepared to deal with foreign leaders and decide on what country to bomb tomorrow. As far as I know, about the only connection between the Guard and a governor is that a governor can call up the Guard when there’s a flood in their state. As far as having a son in the military, lots of us, including me, have sons in uniform, and I don’t think I’m qualified to be president.
Also, if this is an effort to get Clinton supporters, it’s the wrong pick. Clinton supporters are pro choice. They will never go for someone who wants to make choice illegal.
Jean B August 29th, 2008 1:49 pm ET - Jack - Experience? Sarah Palin is a popular governor with executive branch experience. Obama? A junior senator from Illinois, with a limited voting record and his national credentials are running for President…..teamed with a 30 year Washington insider. I will take Palin any day! McCain/Palin ARE the politics of change!
james in santa barbara August 29th, 2008 1:49 pm ET - Another example of McCain being out of touch, by picking Gov. Palin.
By selecting her, he proved to me that he is putting his ambitions ahead of those of our country. He has stated both recently and previously, that he would chose a running mate that shared his views and principles. She certainly fits his requirements. What he did NOT do was put the nations interests first, by selecting an individual qualified to succeed him in the event of an unfortunate tragedy. The first demonstration of presidential decision making.
Second, he is trying to appeal to the Hillary voters and using her for that purpose. Another example of a man using a women for personal satisfaction. To borrow a phrase from Sen. Lloyd Bensen addressing Sen Quayle, one step removed “Gov., I knew Sen. Clinton. Sen. Clinton was a friend of mine. Gov. you are not Sen. Clinton”
Jad in NH August 29th, 2008 1:49 pm ET - Not only does McCain undercut his experience charge against Obama, he also puts his own judgement into question. In this dangerous, dangerous world, we cannot afford to have a Vice President of this caliber. It’s frightening. He’s obviously putting winning the election over the best interests of the country.
Stephanie, Alabama August 29th, 2008 1:50 pm ET - John McCain not only undercuts his own message but insults all women by nominating Sarah Palin, when he had many stronger, more experienced, more intelligent women to choose from. I guess since he already feels like he has a “trophy” wife, he needed a “trophy” vice president to make a bookend set. This is sad and pathetic on so many levels, but to have this woman, literally a heartbeat away from the Presidency, is SCARY!
Patricia Vittoria August 29th, 2008 1:51 pm ET - I am a disenchanted Hillary Clinton supporter. In a million years I would have never imagined voting for John McCain, but with his fantastic bold move of Sara Palin, WOW hats off to his campaign. I am so impressed with his choice, if elections were today, I would change parties. I think she is a fantastic choice and an increible role model for American women today. Bravo!
Sly From Alpena, Michigan August 29th, 2008 1:51 pm ET - Yes he did Jack, By John McCain Choosing a Sarah Palin, Who?, he just gave Barack Obama the Presidency. Thank You John.
Tom in Desoto Texas August 29th, 2008 1:51 pm ET - McCain can’t bring up experience as an issue anymore. By choosing Palin perhaps McCain believes the Alaskan governor would bring her neighboring territories into the republican column, you know, the Yukon Territories and British Columbia.
G maddox August 29th, 2008 1:52 pm ET - What was John thinking? As I watched him when she introduced herself to America in Ohio, even McCain’s face made me wonder if he too wondered what was he thinking. When she praised Hillary Clinton, he clapped 3 times and the muscles in his jaw started flexing even as he kept his game face smile. Was this even his idea? Who knows?
All over America, conservative businessmen must be wondering how they allowed themselves to be betrayed like this. And thousands are probably reaching for their nitro pills. Whatever the GOP is, it’s definately not the party of big business this year.
I’m just speechless. And conservative Dean Rush was stuttering as he said this was a stroke of genius. Imagine. A heartbeat away from being the leader of the free world. OMG!
The only thing that scares me is that the election is in just two months. And this electorate is the same one that brought us George Bush–even after we knew what we were getting! Really. Is this a movie script?
Laurie in Lawrence, KS August 29th, 2008 1:52 pm ET - Obviously, McCain has figured out he is the Republican’s sacrificial lamb. His choice in Palin only underscores that fact. Obama better start measuring for the new drapes, because he is our next president!
Betty in Texas August 29th, 2008 1:52 pm ET - Yes he does, so yes we can!
Keith - Cleveland, OH August 29th, 2008 1:52 pm ET - You’ve got to remember, Jack… These guys are politicians.. They say one thing one day, and the opposite thing the next day. They cannot foresee anything in the future… They can only react.. Therefore, their V.P. selections are only planned to get them elected.. They cannot see beyond that.
Mickie in Philadelphia, PA August 29th, 2008 1:53 pm ET - Well, I would never want her to be the next president. I even heard (though I have not verified) that she is being investigated for awarding a contract to an oil company where her husband works and that she tried to use her power to have her brother-in-law fired. Of course, abuse of power is the republicans’ calling card, so that should not bother them. Of course a first term governor and former mayor has more experience in national security than a senator (right, LOL). And McCain thinks she would be good to replace him.
Terry, Chandler AZ August 29th, 2008 1:53 pm ET - My daughter, my girlfriend, my mom, most of the women in my office are insulted. They are not insulted over the person but feel insulted that McCain is attempting to win them over by selecting a woman who has more looks than experience.
Nice try McCain but it will not be successful.
Karen - TN August 29th, 2008 1:53 pm ET - Face it, Jack. Looks matter in politics, and McCain is old and looks sort of like a gremlin. Sarah Palin is young and a former beauty pageant contender, plus she’s tough and ambitious. Her age won’t be relevant. McCain is trying to grab the “Hillary” followers who wanted her simply because she’s female. I suspect he would have made a different choice had Obama chosen someone other than Biden.
Ron Alridge August 29th, 2008 1:53 pm ET - In selecting a woefully unqualified candidate to be a heartbeat away from a presidency held by a 72-year-old man, John McCain has proven that he values winning the election over serving the country. Had he truly valued the country, there were a number of well qualified Republican women that he could have chosen as his running mate. I guess they weren’t sufficiently extreme. Or maybe they weren’t young and hot enough for the frisky old fighter pilot. So much for judgment, John, and so much for putting country first.
Ernie Jameson August 29th, 2008 1:54 pm ET - Let me see if i get this right. A young inexperienced Male is good enough to run the country, but a young inexperienced woman is not good enough for second in comand. sounds like more of the same to me.
Kerry Diehl August 29th, 2008 1:54 pm ET - Not really Jack,
In spite of her youth, she has accomplished quite a bit in her short but fast rising political career. Most importantly, she has stood up against the grain of “politics as usual” and brings something refreshing to the table – ethical behavior and responsibility in government.
Yes, this is a swipe at what he has said about Barack, but also a giant leap in the direction of true change and being the maverick he says he is. This truly is not the same old same old election (for either side).
BAM in Maine August 29th, 2008 1:54 pm ET - John McCain is so old he’s not thinking clearly.
byhen August 29th, 2008 1:54 pm ET - I knew he was an idiot. This just proves it. Guess tomorrow he’ll have no memory of selecting her.
Jackie in Dallas August 29th, 2008 1:54 pm ET - Jack, you didn’t expect anything different, did you? He had to pick someone to appeal to the women and the younger voters. However, it certainly DOES undercut his own message about experience and age.
And the American people have to consider that the odds are pretty good that if McCain is elected (heaven forbid), there will be at least some time where his VP will have to take over. His age and health will be a factor there. She’s practically unknown, so not only does he have to come up with an actual platform other than negatives to run on, he has to sell her to the billions who don’t know her.
Bill/Green Valley AZ August 29th, 2008 1:54 pm ET - Jack: McCain just lost 2 votes. At 72 he is vulnerable to a demise. I hope not but I cant imagine a soccer mom as commander in chief. Maverick equals defeat. foolish move.
Simon August 29th, 2008 1:54 pm ET - Jack, sometimes I hate to agree with your questions but at the end of the day Mccain is not thinking about the man or woman for that matter, who can’t pay medical expences for the family , tuition you name that includes a homeless soldier or even get a Job. He’s looking for what will do the trick. I don’t know about you but you can put a Bishop on the ticket but if all you tell me is watch out for a celebrity and the surge is working I will not care. At least not this time.
Heather August 29th, 2008 1:54 pm ET - He absolutely undercut his own argument by choosing someone even less experienced than McCain. McCain’s age is much more of a source for worry about what his vice president may have to undertake in the future: Palin’s inexperience is thus magnified even further.
SY, Oviedo, FL August 29th, 2008 1:55 pm ET - When McCain said about 10 days ago that he was going to wait to choose his running mate until after Obama chose his, I thought he had just made the most ridiculously blatant statement possible. Now, choosing Alaska’s female governor, he’s achieved the superlative degree of blatant perfidy! So much for any semblance of integrity!
Stephanie R. Glidden August 29th, 2008 1:55 pm ET - Jack, With all due respect to Ms. Palin and her accomplishments and family, but the population of Alaska is under 700,000 people. That’s smaller than SAN DIEGO!! I think it shows the classic 70-year old male mentality of Senator McCain, who divorced his wife and married his young assistant. He thinks that women are so shallow and emotional that all those disenfranchised Hillary women are going to vote for him because he has a woman on the ticket. He will be wrong. He could very well die and then what, we have essentially the mayor of a small US city with zero experience to face up to Iran and Russia and solve our dire economic situation at home. The last democrat I voted for was McGovern and I would rather move out of America than have McCain as president.
Mrs Wyse August 29th, 2008 1:55 pm ET - Earn your place or be placed to earn! John McCain picks Sarah Palin in hopes of winning Senator Clinton voters. But once again “out of touch” John McCain unlike Senator Obama doesn’t get it. Senator Clinton EARNED her place as the first WOMAN to have a successful run for the White House. However, Palin was GIVEN this opportunity to play second. For me being a woman and hearing Palin’s 1st speech trying to pull Clinton voters over to McCain simply because Palin happens to be a woman is an insult, and shows that sexism is being played but Senator Obama isn’t the one playing it. Also, due to the fact that no one knows her I feel was the wrong way to be introduced. Almost a slap in the face. Lastly, McCain picks Palin because he wants to win.
Obama picks Biden because he wants AMERICA to Win.
So is Country REALLY FIRST McCain?
Joan August 29th, 2008 1:55 pm ET - Alaska drilling is what it’s all about !
Seeing that McCain is as old as dirt the GOP have to elect a VP with more experience than Joe Biden (not Sarah Palin), they have to elect a VP ready to be president on day one (not Sarah Palin) and they have to invest 5 billion in Cryogenics for McBush to relieve any tensions their cult followers might have now. Sarah Palin was picked by Oil and Gas Industry that have donated $1,069,854 so far to his campaign. Alaska drilling in the future???
Debra August 29th, 2008 1:56 pm ET - We all love a success story and I think it is great that a soccer mom can be nominated to be the next VP but get real!!!! I think John McCain’s lack judgement in this situation is scary! This woman has a degree in journalism, not business. She “manages” a state with less population than Dayton, OH! As a life long republican and nurse I am already concerned about John McCain’s continued cowboy diplomacy, advanced age, history of cancer and begining stages of dementia and now he does this! At least Obama has been in washington for awhile, has practiced constitutional law and has experience on the National stage. I have more education and corporate experience than this woman! I truly feel that if McCain’s ticket wins we should be very afraid. If something happens to him we will end up with a soccer mom for president. I have just made a big contribution to Obama and will vote Democrat come November for the first time in my life!
KEVIN August 29th, 2008 1:56 pm ET - hi Jack, I hope John McCain does not think we are that dumb, to think that he can some how steal Hillary’s people by getting a woman. Barrack and Joe has everything we need to change this country. And turn Washington upside down. for all the people dems and rep
Not this time. Yes they can and yes we will change the country, and then the World.
Jo August 29th, 2008 1:56 pm ET - No, I think this is a great pick! The DNC and Obama didn’t go after the womens vote. They messed up. After 34 years of voting Democrat, I am voting for McCain/Palin! I am thrilled they have values that are important to me.
Heather August 29th, 2008 1:57 pm ET - He absolutely undercut his own argument by choosing someone even less experienced than Obama. McCain’s age is much more of a source for worry about what his vice president may have to undertake in the future: Palin’s inexperience is thus magnified even further. (oops on the typo)
Shawn August 29th, 2008 1:57 pm ET - You already said it Mr.Cafferty.
A) She’s no Hillary Clinton!
B) She’s no Hillary Clinton!
C) McCain can no longer argue experience, which was the only strong card he really had.
D) Biden is going to toast her, much worse than Obama will McCain
The GOP has just signed their notice of defeat in this race.
4 months ago
in Friday Open Thread on Jack and Jill Politics
McCain is desperate and it shows. It's insulting for him to pick a female candidate with relative little experience, and she'll be a lame duck like Geraldine Ferraro was. I have to say that I felt a bit of glee thinking about how Biden will bring it during the VP debate. The gloves had better be off! That's why he was selected. After Barack's acceptance speech it is on! And I see blood in the water for McCain. It was scary to see that even Pat Buchanan liked the pseech.
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TruthSeeker
How will men feel about Palin being implicated in the firing of her sister's husband who was involved in a custody battle at the time. How will women respond to that information.
Biden won't rip into her the way he might a man.
Biden won't rip into her the way he might a man.
ruthdfw
agree
4 months ago
in Democratic National Convention - Wednesday Night Open Thread on Jack and Jill Politics
The US needs to shut up about Russia. Georgia was in the wrong.
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Miranda
ssshhhhhhh........they know........but there are quite a few folks who need a "communist" enemy from the 80s......those Reagan democrats inPennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan.
Teacher
YES!! The smile dropped off my face when he said that.. If they don't start none there won't be none. They need to support Russia, and take those missles out of Poland. The distance from Poland to Russia is the distance from Mexico City to Houston. How would anyone feel about another super power installing missles in Mexico City? I think I can safely say that we would consider it a direct threat to our national security. If we would, why wouldn't they? If you can't visualize Mexico City-Houston,, it's equivalent to the distance between Houston-chicago, or chicago-New York. Its roughly 700 miles.
Bill has an Obama sign!!
Bill has an Obama sign!!
4 months ago
in TVOne’s Coverage of the Democratic Convention on Jack and Jill Politics
I hope people will record and make copies please. It's only available on the top-tier cable package in my area at $136/mo which is $100/mo too high for me. Thanks to Suze Orman and her predictions of economic turmoil and the housing crash 2 years ago I try to adhere to a lot of her financial advice.
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4 months ago
in Black Reaction Online to Joe Biden as VP on Jack and Jill Politics
Applause for lasting that long. I could only stomach 2 minutes top. I actually turned to Fixed Noise and watched for about 5 minutes. Seriously I can't deal with these squawkers. They don't know anything.
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whiterosebuddy
Yep. I watched C-span..didn't want those pundits disturbing my mental flow or emotional high.
4 months ago
in It’s JoBama! Now Back To Work. on Jack and Jill Politics
LucyC I fear your observations may be on target even though people do not want to agree. No one can tell you whom to vote for, however if you live in a Swing State I'd urge you to reconsider. I do know if the Greens get 5% of the vote they will have Congressional representation. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. And honestly we need a bust-up of the monopoly - though with the way this country operates the money people behind the curtain would try to co-opt them all the same. Obama is running a campaign to win and honestly Black people may have helped him secure the nomination but some are still under the impression our votes are in the bag. This is the time to put pressure on those that would deny us our due. We do have to be focused at this time about what our overall goal will be. We cannot under ANY circumstance have McCain in office. We cannot have a weakened agenda in an Obama administration either. So might I suggest that we all make every effort past our comfort zones to effect real progress. It's more than Obama. We need to take ownership of what happens in this country. I think this is the first time people realize how sitting on the sidelines is equivalent to slitting not only our throats but literally killing millions of people around the world. And let's face it, we know what has happened to the few people in leadership positions who were prescribed as being the heart and soul of a movement. WE have to be the movement, not a figurehead. How many people are REALLY willing to cut back and give up things they want BY CHOICE if it means others will have more, not more than they need but just enough to get by?
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CraigHickman
LucyC's observations are not on target. Framing this decision as acquiescing to white people is cynical and narrow minded.
Your observations, on the other hand, are on point.
Carry on.
Your observations, on the other hand, are on point.
Carry on.
4 months ago
in It’s JoBama! Now Back To Work. on Jack and Jill Politics
I am not pleased. I look at this as MAJOR capitulation. Yeah Obama isn't McCain but dang it! Why didn't we get the promised text message? If we get spammed I am going to be so pissed off!
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baratunde aka jack turner
they can't control everything at shop obama. you know how many reporters were on the hunt for this story. honestly, it's good reporting at CNN. rare praise from me. now let's hope they apply those bloodhound skills to uncovering the sham of an economy we have and the flagrant injusti--- oh who am i kidding.
4 months ago
in Friday Open Thread - yeah, it’s the weekend on Jack and Jill Politics
It's Joe Biden. I hope JJP isn't going to back down from that post!
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99 Percent Sure
He's the No Drama Obama head fake.
4 months ago
in Jack and Jill are Headed to the Democratic National Convention on Jack and Jill Politics
You know Donna answers her emails via her Blackberry. She needs to have her own prime-time news show.
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GreenLadyHere
H&F; Come to think of it, I did receive a reply from Ms. Brazile! It was 2 months later - but, still it was answered. :>)
4 months ago
in Jack and Jill are Headed to the Democratic National Convention on Jack and Jill Politics
I'll be attending and blogging as well. It's going to be amazing I am certain. I am very interested in those protesting militarism and forced occupation as well as poverty.
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GreenLadyHere
H&F: Commendations! Bring it in any form that you can!! :>) :>)
4 months ago
in Yes, Joe Lieberman is a “P—k” on Jack and Jill Politics
I thought it was gonna say punk and didn't get the bleep out. Ok. Prick. Liar. Wife-beater. Cheater. All of the above and more.
What about this news about Obama and his VP campaigning together on Saturday? I thought he'd save it for a the big surprise on Wed. Oh well. Will it be Biden or Clinton?
What about this news about Obama and his VP campaigning together on Saturday? I thought he'd save it for a the big surprise on Wed. Oh well. Will it be Biden or Clinton?
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Admiral_Komack
Biden on Obama's VP Pick: 'I'm Not The Guy'
August 19, 2008 5:21 PM
ABC News' Z. Byron Wolf and Jennifer Parker report: As Delaware Sen. Joe Biden was leaving his house in Wilmington this afternoon, he slowed down and said to the gathered news reporters outside his home: "Hey guys, I'm not the guy. See ya."
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08...
August 19, 2008 5:21 PM
ABC News' Z. Byron Wolf and Jennifer Parker report: As Delaware Sen. Joe Biden was leaving his house in Wilmington this afternoon, he slowed down and said to the gathered news reporters outside his home: "Hey guys, I'm not the guy. See ya."
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08...
CraigHickman
Better not be either.
My family went out on the primary election day in downtown to try to encourage people to go vote. The polling place was in walking distrance of their homes, and most people refused to go and vote. Thery were walking around with alcohol and cigaretts in their hand, living in dilapidated housing, and most of them had no jobs, and they still refused to vote. Interestingly enough, these are the very people everyone is concerned about helping!! If they hate Obama that bad, there is nothing he or we can do to change their minds. Let them vote for McCain, and if he wins, let them suffer.