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1 year ago
in Momentum on the Jesus Manifesto
Nathan,
My husband and I are experiencing a similar momentum pick-up right now. I have lived for over two years in this economically and every other way depressing area and have idolized the day when we could move out to greener pastures. Now, the possibility is almost a real choice, I find myself wanting to dig in and "start wildfires of spiritual imagination" instead of running away.
~Anna
My husband and I are experiencing a similar momentum pick-up right now. I have lived for over two years in this economically and every other way depressing area and have idolized the day when we could move out to greener pastures. Now, the possibility is almost a real choice, I find myself wanting to dig in and "start wildfires of spiritual imagination" instead of running away.
~Anna
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1 year ago
in the Jesus Manifesto » Maintenance Mode on the Jesus Manifesto
Nathan,
My husband and I are experiencing a similar momentum pick-up right now. I have lived for over two years in this economically and every other way depressing area and have idolized the day when we could move out to greener pastures. Now, the possibility is almost a real choice, I find myself wanting to dig in and "start wildfires of spiritual imagination" instead of running away.
~Anna
My husband and I are experiencing a similar momentum pick-up right now. I have lived for over two years in this economically and every other way depressing area and have idolized the day when we could move out to greener pastures. Now, the possibility is almost a real choice, I find myself wanting to dig in and "start wildfires of spiritual imagination" instead of running away.
~Anna
1 year ago
in Radical Dissent: Poetry By Wendell Berry and the Mad Farmer on the Jesus Manifesto
Yep, I started reading Jackson, Berry, and Logsdon over 12 years ago. They are the trifecta of Land-Loving authors.
The problem is that our physical landscape will not support any large scale (and small scale is stretching it) agricultural methods. The land is suited for grazing animals; following with the Jacksonian wisdom, we should be herders/gatherers here.
Sorry to sound so pessimistic. I am actually trying to see how humans could creatively dwell...or maybe just leave it alone.
The problem is that our physical landscape will not support any large scale (and small scale is stretching it) agricultural methods. The land is suited for grazing animals; following with the Jacksonian wisdom, we should be herders/gatherers here.
Sorry to sound so pessimistic. I am actually trying to see how humans could creatively dwell...or maybe just leave it alone.
1 year ago
in Radical Dissent: Poetry By Wendell Berry and the Mad Farmer on the Jesus Manifesto
Yep, I started reading Jackson, Berry, and Logsdon over 12 years ago. They are the trifecta of Land-Loving authors.
The problem is that our physical landscape will not support any large scale (and small scale is stretching it) agricultural methods. The land is suited for grazing animals; following with the Jacksonian wisdom, we should be herders/gatherers here.
Sorry to sound so pessimistic. I am actually trying to see how humans could creatively dwell...or maybe just leave it alone.
The problem is that our physical landscape will not support any large scale (and small scale is stretching it) agricultural methods. The land is suited for grazing animals; following with the Jacksonian wisdom, we should be herders/gatherers here.
Sorry to sound so pessimistic. I am actually trying to see how humans could creatively dwell...or maybe just leave it alone.
1 year ago
in Radical Dissent: Poetry By Wendell Berry and the Mad Farmer on the Jesus Manifesto
Speaking for my own community, if there were no industrialist/militarist/government props, it would blow away with the prairie wind. We've got an Army base/bombing range, a tire and cardboard factory, a state university, the Indian/Native American tribal cabals and casinos, a major defense contractor headquarters, box top stores, a wildlife refuge, and probably many other players I don't know about all within a 50 mile circumference.
People should plain old not be living here in the concentration they are. Agriculture has been a failure, but no one wants to admit it. The Feds bail out the farmers year after year. Oil is not such a major factor, though a little still is pumped further east. The Complexes keep the people here, like a gully collecting tumbleweed. I think it would be perfectly sane to move out and turn the land back over to roaming tribes and herds of bison.
People should plain old not be living here in the concentration they are. Agriculture has been a failure, but no one wants to admit it. The Feds bail out the farmers year after year. Oil is not such a major factor, though a little still is pumped further east. The Complexes keep the people here, like a gully collecting tumbleweed. I think it would be perfectly sane to move out and turn the land back over to roaming tribes and herds of bison.
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Jason Winton
Anna, good comments...have you ever read (or heard of) Wes Jackson? He founded the Land Institute in Salina, KS. They have been working to promote and research Natural Systems Agriculture for over 20 years, an approach that sees nature (not corporate or agro-business interests) as the measure for health and membership. On their website (http://www.landinstitute.org/) they state the reason behind their conviction, "The tendency of all natural ecosystems is to increase their ecological wealth. For instance, all prairie, left alone, recycles materials, sponsors its own fertility, runs on contemporary sunlight, and increases biodiversity." They seek to honor and mimic this system in the production of food for humans.
As a side thought (though an important connection to make), how can this type of thinking inform the ways we have learned to do evangelical church planting, evangelism, discipleship programs, etc.? What would it be like to find God at work in our place (sustaining it, loving it, holding it together) vs. importing Jesus-y products from the "experts" who live at a distance and do not honor the local names?
As a side thought (though an important connection to make), how can this type of thinking inform the ways we have learned to do evangelical church planting, evangelism, discipleship programs, etc.? What would it be like to find God at work in our place (sustaining it, loving it, holding it together) vs. importing Jesus-y products from the "experts" who live at a distance and do not honor the local names?
1 year ago
in Radical Dissent: Poetry By Wendell Berry and the Mad Farmer on the Jesus Manifesto
Speaking for my own community, if there were no industrialist/militarist/government props, it would blow away with the prairie wind. We've got an Army base/bombing range, a tire and cardboard factory, a state university, the Indian/Native American tribal cabals and casinos, a major defense contractor headquarters, box top stores, a wildlife refuge, and probably many other players I don't know about all within a 50 mile circumference.
People should plain old not be living here in the concentration they are. Agriculture has been a failure, but no one wants to admit it. The Feds bail out the farmers year after year. Oil is not such a major factor, though a little still is pumped further east. The Complexes keep the people here, like a gully collecting tumbleweed. I think it would be perfectly sane to move out and turn the land back over to roaming tribes and herds of bison.
People should plain old not be living here in the concentration they are. Agriculture has been a failure, but no one wants to admit it. The Feds bail out the farmers year after year. Oil is not such a major factor, though a little still is pumped further east. The Complexes keep the people here, like a gully collecting tumbleweed. I think it would be perfectly sane to move out and turn the land back over to roaming tribes and herds of bison.
1 year ago
in Faith Half-Mast on the Jesus Manifesto
Many of us have the choice of attending non-peace churches or no church at all, unless we have the gumption to start a peace church. Then we might be awfully lonely. My husband and I chose the former. We get to be salt, creatively, in our context. Maybe, just maybe, we can be an open ear to someone who is thinking the same things but is afraid to speak out.
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Michael Cline
We give a lot of lip service to listening to the "other" among us...usually meaning the oppressed or the disenfranchised. But in this case, my "other" includes WWII vets and local leaders of the VFW.
That's a little harder to swallow isn't it? We tend to want to listen to the "other" in our midst as long as they aren't the "other" that looks a lot like us but just thinks differently.
That's a little harder to swallow isn't it? We tend to want to listen to the "other" in our midst as long as they aren't the "other" that looks a lot like us but just thinks differently.
1 year ago
in Faith Half-Mast on the Jesus Manifesto
Many of us have the choice of attending non-peace churches or no church at all, unless we have the gumption to start a peace church. Then we might be awfully lonely. My husband and I chose the former. We get to be salt, creatively, in our context. Maybe, just maybe, we can be an open ear to someone who is thinking the same things but is afraid to speak out.
1 year ago
in Faith Half-Mast on the Jesus Manifesto
Our church will probably haul a flag up and do some sort of patriotic song or the pledge. Thank the Lord, the U.S. flag is not up in front every week. That in itself is a remarkable thing for a church in a town owned by the Military-Industrial Complex. No joke...Haliburton has their headquarters nearby.
Well, a soft-core approach in our situation might be to take up the idea of remembrance of our "heroes" of faith within the Christian context, with a little dash of the history of Memorial Day mixed in. Folks probably won't notice the lack of a flag or soaring anthems and still have their nationalistic needs met.
Well, a soft-core approach in our situation might be to take up the idea of remembrance of our "heroes" of faith within the Christian context, with a little dash of the history of Memorial Day mixed in. Folks probably won't notice the lack of a flag or soaring anthems and still have their nationalistic needs met.
1 year ago
in Faith Half-Mast on the Jesus Manifesto
Our church will probably haul a flag up and do some sort of patriotic song or the pledge. Thank the Lord, the U.S. flag is not up in front every week. That in itself is a remarkable thing for a church in a town owned by the Military-Industrial Complex. No joke...Haliburton has their headquarters nearby.
Well, a soft-core approach in our situation might be to take up the idea of remembrance of our "heroes" of faith within the Christian context, with a little dash of the history of Memorial Day mixed in. Folks probably won't notice the lack of a flag or soaring anthems and still have their nationalistic needs met.
Well, a soft-core approach in our situation might be to take up the idea of remembrance of our "heroes" of faith within the Christian context, with a little dash of the history of Memorial Day mixed in. Folks probably won't notice the lack of a flag or soaring anthems and still have their nationalistic needs met.
1 year ago
in the Jesus Manifesto » Maintenance Mode on the Jesus Manifesto
Pizza Party - Make homemade pizzas instead of ordering. Loads more fun and tastier, too.
We will pay off a couple of medical bills and then save the rest.
We will pay off a couple of medical bills and then save the rest.
1 year ago
in An Economy Stimulating Giving Spree! on the Jesus Manifesto
Pizza Party - Make homemade pizzas instead of ordering. Loads more fun and tastier, too.
We will pay off a couple of medical bills and then save the rest.
We will pay off a couple of medical bills and then save the rest.
1 year ago
in the Jesus Manifesto » Maintenance Mode on the Jesus Manifesto
Pizza Party - Make homemade pizzas instead of ordering. Loads more fun and tastier, too.
We will pay off a couple of medical bills and then save the rest.
We will pay off a couple of medical bills and then save the rest.
1 year ago
in the Jesus Manifesto » Maintenance Mode on the Jesus Manifesto
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1 year ago
in Mammon, you cruel bastard! on the Jesus Manifesto
Blogads might be a good avenue. They require 500 hits + daily and you can be somewhat choosy as to who you let ad with the site.
1 year ago
in the Jesus Manifesto » Maintenance Mode on the Jesus Manifesto
Blogads might be a good avenue. They require 500 hits + daily and you can be somewhat choosy as to who you let ad with the site.
1 year ago
in the Jesus Manifesto » Maintenance Mode on the Jesus Manifesto
Dave,
Oh, yes, I know the feeling all too well. I work in academia and, with only a B.A. to my name, I get the left boot of hierarchy all the time. I see people who are mentally two cards short of a full deck get higher paying administration positions. Even folks with PhD's can't make a Power Point presentation and are too scared to admit it.
My first reaction was to try harder, to be special. But being a genius is nothing these days without an alphabet soup at the end of your name, at least in official circles. That is where being a revolutionary, in the Jesus Way, is so much more freeing. My life is no longer measured by the standards set by men.
~Anna
"The people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do it."
Oh, yes, I know the feeling all too well. I work in academia and, with only a B.A. to my name, I get the left boot of hierarchy all the time. I see people who are mentally two cards short of a full deck get higher paying administration positions. Even folks with PhD's can't make a Power Point presentation and are too scared to admit it.
My first reaction was to try harder, to be special. But being a genius is nothing these days without an alphabet soup at the end of your name, at least in official circles. That is where being a revolutionary, in the Jesus Way, is so much more freeing. My life is no longer measured by the standards set by men.
~Anna
"The people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do it."
1 year ago
in Barbarian at the Gate on the Jesus Manifesto
Dave,
Oh, yes, I know the feeling all too well. I work in academia and, with only a B.A. to my name, I get the left boot of hierarchy all the time. I see people who are mentally two cards short of a full deck get higher paying administration positions. Even folks with PhD's can't make a Power Point presentation and are too scared to admit it.
My first reaction was to try harder, to be special. But being a genius is nothing these days without an alphabet soup at the end of your name, at least in official circles. That is where being a revolutionary, in the Jesus Way, is so much more freeing. My life is no longer measured by the standards set by men.
~Anna
"The people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do it."
Oh, yes, I know the feeling all too well. I work in academia and, with only a B.A. to my name, I get the left boot of hierarchy all the time. I see people who are mentally two cards short of a full deck get higher paying administration positions. Even folks with PhD's can't make a Power Point presentation and are too scared to admit it.
My first reaction was to try harder, to be special. But being a genius is nothing these days without an alphabet soup at the end of your name, at least in official circles. That is where being a revolutionary, in the Jesus Way, is so much more freeing. My life is no longer measured by the standards set by men.
~Anna
"The people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do it."
1 year ago
in the Jesus Manifesto » Maintenance Mode on the Jesus Manifesto
Dave,
Oh, yes, I know the feeling all too well. I work in academia and, with only a B.A. to my name, I get the left boot of hierarchy all the time. I see people who are mentally two cards short of a full deck get higher paying administration positions. Even folks with PhD's can't make a Power Point presentation and are too scared to admit it.
My first reaction was to try harder, to be special. But being a genius is nothing these days without an alphabet soup at the end of your name, at least in official circles. That is where being a revolutionary, in the Jesus Way, is so much more freeing. My life is no longer measured by the standards set by men.
~Anna
"The people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do it."
Oh, yes, I know the feeling all too well. I work in academia and, with only a B.A. to my name, I get the left boot of hierarchy all the time. I see people who are mentally two cards short of a full deck get higher paying administration positions. Even folks with PhD's can't make a Power Point presentation and are too scared to admit it.
My first reaction was to try harder, to be special. But being a genius is nothing these days without an alphabet soup at the end of your name, at least in official circles. That is where being a revolutionary, in the Jesus Way, is so much more freeing. My life is no longer measured by the standards set by men.
~Anna
"The people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do it."
1 year ago
in the Jesus Manifesto » Maintenance Mode on the Jesus Manifesto
Nathanael,
I completely understand the money-crunch situation with the choice between "cheap and conventional" and "expensive and alternative". My husband is in school full-time and with my meager income, it is a stretch just to buy the cheap stuff.
What we decided to do is eat lower on the food chain rather than eat the less-than-ethical meats. I like high-quality eggs, so I spring for those and some local dairy products like butter and a little milk. Other than that, we are basically vegetarians. Beans and grains are cheap and easy to cook with a crock-pot! My husband lost about 20 pounds after we were married because he ate so much better than before as a single guy.
~Anna
I completely understand the money-crunch situation with the choice between "cheap and conventional" and "expensive and alternative". My husband is in school full-time and with my meager income, it is a stretch just to buy the cheap stuff.
What we decided to do is eat lower on the food chain rather than eat the less-than-ethical meats. I like high-quality eggs, so I spring for those and some local dairy products like butter and a little milk. Other than that, we are basically vegetarians. Beans and grains are cheap and easy to cook with a crock-pot! My husband lost about 20 pounds after we were married because he ate so much better than before as a single guy.
~Anna
1 year ago
in living faithfully in a “throw-away” culture on the Jesus Manifesto
Nathanael,
I completely understand the money-crunch situation with the choice between "cheap and conventional" and "expensive and alternative". My husband is in school full-time and with my meager income, it is a stretch just to buy the cheap stuff.
What we decided to do is eat lower on the food chain rather than eat the less-than-ethical meats. I like high-quality eggs, so I spring for those and some local dairy products like butter and a little milk. Other than that, we are basically vegetarians. Beans and grains are cheap and easy to cook with a crock-pot! My husband lost about 20 pounds after we were married because he ate so much better than before as a single guy.
~Anna
I completely understand the money-crunch situation with the choice between "cheap and conventional" and "expensive and alternative". My husband is in school full-time and with my meager income, it is a stretch just to buy the cheap stuff.
What we decided to do is eat lower on the food chain rather than eat the less-than-ethical meats. I like high-quality eggs, so I spring for those and some local dairy products like butter and a little milk. Other than that, we are basically vegetarians. Beans and grains are cheap and easy to cook with a crock-pot! My husband lost about 20 pounds after we were married because he ate so much better than before as a single guy.
~Anna
1 year ago
in the Jesus Manifesto » Maintenance Mode on the Jesus Manifesto
Nathanael,
I completely understand the money-crunch situation with the choice between "cheap and conventional" and "expensive and alternative". My husband is in school full-time and with my meager income, it is a stretch just to buy the cheap stuff.
What we decided to do is eat lower on the food chain rather than eat the less-than-ethical meats. I like high-quality eggs, so I spring for those and some local dairy products like butter and a little milk. Other than that, we are basically vegetarians. Beans and grains are cheap and easy to cook with a crock-pot! My husband lost about 20 pounds after we were married because he ate so much better than before as a single guy.
~Anna
I completely understand the money-crunch situation with the choice between "cheap and conventional" and "expensive and alternative". My husband is in school full-time and with my meager income, it is a stretch just to buy the cheap stuff.
What we decided to do is eat lower on the food chain rather than eat the less-than-ethical meats. I like high-quality eggs, so I spring for those and some local dairy products like butter and a little milk. Other than that, we are basically vegetarians. Beans and grains are cheap and easy to cook with a crock-pot! My husband lost about 20 pounds after we were married because he ate so much better than before as a single guy.
~Anna
1 year ago
in the Jesus Manifesto » Maintenance Mode on the Jesus Manifesto
Nathanael,
You may wish to study Polyface Farm in Virginia before you make the assumption that sustainable agriculture is not feasible in feeding large populations on small acreage and with a small workforce. Or read The One Straw Revolution by Masanobu Fukuoka.
One reason people are malnourished is not food (under)production, but the political and economic forces that keep the markets for local production restrained. This was the gigantic light bulb moment for Francis Moore-Lappe as she was writing Diet for a Small Planet.
~Anna
You may wish to study Polyface Farm in Virginia before you make the assumption that sustainable agriculture is not feasible in feeding large populations on small acreage and with a small workforce. Or read The One Straw Revolution by Masanobu Fukuoka.
One reason people are malnourished is not food (under)production, but the political and economic forces that keep the markets for local production restrained. This was the gigantic light bulb moment for Francis Moore-Lappe as she was writing Diet for a Small Planet.
~Anna
1 year ago
in living faithfully in a “throw-away” culture on the Jesus Manifesto
Nathanael,
You may wish to study Polyface Farm in Virginia before you make the assumption that sustainable agriculture is not feasible in feeding large populations on small acreage and with a small workforce. Or read The One Straw Revolution by Masanobu Fukuoka.
One reason people are malnourished is not food (under)production, but the political and economic forces that keep the markets for local production restrained. This was the gigantic light bulb moment for Francis Moore-Lappe as she was writing Diet for a Small Planet.
~Anna
You may wish to study Polyface Farm in Virginia before you make the assumption that sustainable agriculture is not feasible in feeding large populations on small acreage and with a small workforce. Or read The One Straw Revolution by Masanobu Fukuoka.
One reason people are malnourished is not food (under)production, but the political and economic forces that keep the markets for local production restrained. This was the gigantic light bulb moment for Francis Moore-Lappe as she was writing Diet for a Small Planet.
~Anna
1 year ago
in living faithfully in a “throw-away” culture on the Jesus Manifesto
One model example in my state is the Oklahoma Food Co-op, formed and maintained in large part by the Oscar Romero Catholic Worker:
http://www.oklahomafood.coop/
We can't join because we are just outside of their boundaries and we are too poor to go pick up the food and pay for it. :( We are actively looking for some egg/dairy farmers locally instead.
http://www.oklahomafood.coop/
We can't join because we are just outside of their boundaries and we are too poor to go pick up the food and pay for it. :( We are actively looking for some egg/dairy farmers locally instead.

Part of what helps is seeing that commitment to a certain kind of community -- a peace church or some new experiment in intentional community -- is not really an option right now unless I start it, and I'm not ready for that. A certain kind of commitment to community -- warts and all -- is readily available. It's just hard. I'm not saying there's never a time to shake the dust of your feet and move on (or get all Jesus on the Pharisees) but I guess I see cause to ponder slowly.