http://disqus.com/people/82dea7fe3ac858ee0084222f1c1b5d54/enThu, 13 Oct 2005 11:32:42 -0000http://jesusmanifesto.disqus.com/right_versus_left_one_neo_anabaptist8217s_perspective/#comment-1286612Mark said in his post that he's using the word righteousness synonymously with justice (as in the Greek they are the same word).CJWed, 05 Oct 2005 18:41:35 -0000http://jesusmanifesto.disqus.com/the_jesus_manifesto_raquo_maintenance_mode_386/#comment-5287821Mark said in his post that he's using the word righteousness synonymously with justice (as in the Greek they are the same word).CJWed, 05 Oct 2005 18:41:35 -0000http://jesusmanifesto.disqus.com/the_jesus_manifesto_raquo_maintenance_mode_386/#comment-5287839Mark said in his post that he's using the word righteousness synonymously with justice (as in the Greek they are the same word).CJWed, 05 Oct 2005 18:41:35 -0000http://jesusmanifesto.disqus.com/right_versus_left_one_neo_anabaptist8217s_perspective/#comment-1286615I think I know what you're trying to say, Steve, but I think you underestimate our power to change meaning in our own language. You are advocating that justice swallow up the definition of righteousness altogether, but I think it would be just as easy to define righteousness apart from its bad connotations (like self-righteousness)CJWed, 05 Oct 2005 23:09:09 -0000http://jesusmanifesto.disqus.com/the_jesus_manifesto_raquo_maintenance_mode_386/#comment-5287824I think I know what you're trying to say, Steve, but I think you underestimate our power to change meaning in our own language. You are advocating that justice swallow up the definition of righteousness altogether, but I think it would be just as easy to define righteousness apart from its bad connotations (like self-righteousness)CJWed, 05 Oct 2005 23:09:09 -0000http://jesusmanifesto.disqus.com/the_jesus_manifesto_raquo_maintenance_mode_386/#comment-5287843I think I know what you're trying to say, Steve, but I think you underestimate our power to change meaning in our own language. You are advocating that justice swallow up the definition of righteousness altogether, but I think it would be just as easy to define righteousness apart from its bad connotations (like self-righteousness)CJWed, 05 Oct 2005 23:09:09 -0000http://jesusmanifesto.disqus.com/rebellion_from_within/#comment-1286632I think the important thing for me is to understand what we mean by counter-cultural. A counter-culture is a culture that is set up in direct contradistinction to another culture. In that sense, maybe there are lots of cultures that are counter-cultural, or at least started that way. I think that better than saying there are no counter-cultures in America is to say that any counter-culture in America is only a sub-culture and not a fully realized culture.CJWed, 12 Oct 2005 18:42:15 -0000http://jesusmanifesto.disqus.com/the_jesus_manifesto_raquo_maintenance_mode_043/#comment-5287862I think the important thing for me is to understand what we mean by counter-cultural. A counter-culture is a culture that is set up in direct contradistinction to another culture. In that sense, maybe there are lots of cultures that are counter-cultural, or at least started that way. I think that better than saying there are no counter-cultures in America is to say that any counter-culture in America is only a sub-culture and not a fully realized culture.CJWed, 12 Oct 2005 18:42:15 -0000http://jesusmanifesto.disqus.com/the_jesus_manifesto_raquo_maintenance_mode_043/#comment-5287884I think the important thing for me is to understand what we mean by counter-cultural. A counter-culture is a culture that is set up in direct contradistinction to another culture. In that sense, maybe there are lots of cultures that are counter-cultural, or at least started that way. I think that better than saying there are no counter-cultures in America is to say that any counter-culture in America is only a sub-culture and not a fully realized culture.CJWed, 12 Oct 2005 18:42:15 -0000http://jesusmanifesto.disqus.com/rebellion_from_within/#comment-1286635If I were to walk into the salvage yard church, I think I would probably have the same reaction I have to just about any church like it: "The decorations are different, the structure is the same." That's not an indictment of the people that go there, because I understand there are groups of people in the church that are trying to do something different, and that's fine. I just don't think the level of rethinking present is really high enough to do anything. BTW, painting people with a broad brush might include putting the word friends in quotes and making really blanket statements about commentators on other people's blogs.CJThu, 13 Oct 2005 11:32:42 -0000http://jesusmanifesto.disqus.com/the_jesus_manifesto_raquo_maintenance_mode_043/#comment-5287865If I were to walk into the salvage yard church, I think I would probably have the same reaction I have to just about any church like it: "The decorations are different, the structure is the same." That's not an indictment of the people that go there, because I understand there are groups of people in the church that are trying to do something different, and that's fine. I just don't think the level of rethinking present is really high enough to do anything. BTW, painting people with a broad brush might include putting the word friends in quotes and making really blanket statements about commentators on other people's blogs.CJThu, 13 Oct 2005 11:32:42 -0000http://jesusmanifesto.disqus.com/the_jesus_manifesto_raquo_maintenance_mode_043/#comment-5287887If I were to walk into the salvage yard church, I think I would probably have the same reaction I have to just about any church like it: "The decorations are different, the structure is the same." That's not an indictment of the people that go there, because I understand there are groups of people in the church that are trying to do something different, and that's fine. I just don't think the level of rethinking present is really high enough to do anything. BTW, painting people with a broad brush might include putting the word friends in quotes and making really blanket statements about commentators on other people's blogs.CJThu, 13 Oct 2005 11:32:42 -0000