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Re: Home Reserve Guestbook

John C. — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:15:48 -0000

I usually don\'t bother to leave responses but Home Reserve deserves recognition for being one the the FEW companies that PROVES how much they care about their customers by doing everything possible to meet and EXCEED expectations. I just have never had the experience where EVERYTHING was perfect...

The Fabric - Nice!
The Instructions - Accurate.
The Parts - All there, nothing missing or broken.
The Quality - AMAZING for the price. I have frequently paid 20-50% more for POS at the local places.

Try these people...You will be amazed.

Re: Panic attacks.Help!?

John C. — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:48:59 -0000

I have panic attacks. Ativan works well to relieve them. Maybe you should talk to a Dr.
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Re: Woman sues pastor, church over sexual relations - ExChristian.Net - News and Opinion

John C. — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:47:00 -0000

In response to "a realist", it is clear from the writing style, use of capitals, lack of proofreading, and knowledge of the senior pastor's salary that this is the writing of Sr Pastor Ben Brown himself.

Ben, why don't you just sign your name?

John C
Former College Minister of BBC

Re: Woman sues pastor, church over sexual relations - ExChristian.Net - News and Opinion

John C. — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:03:00 -0000

In response to "anonymous", why do you find it ironic that the people who are sticking by Roger are the one's who have known him the longest? They're the ones who know him the best. They're the ones in the best position to see through any lies and deception.

As for the notion that Roger is the "best liar", "dean of deception", or "master of manipulation", I think you also have to consider that possibility that Ben fits those descriptions instead. Is there any evidence from Ben's life outside of the Roger issue to corroborate such a conclusion?

John C
Ex BBC Pastoral Staff

Re: Woman sues pastor, church over sexual relations - ExChristian.Net - News and Opinion

John C. — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:33:00 -0000

Someone asked if crimes had been committed. You decide for yourself. I quote BBC board minutes. Emphasis mine.

At the June 2001 board meeting, the budget committee presented to the board of deacons a plan to compensate Pastor Ben without directly affecting the current budget. The deacon board voted to compensate Pastor Ben through the use of the Senior Pastor's Housing Loan. Additional details would be necessary to process this decision. At the January 10th, 2002 board meeting, the deacons reviewed a one-page hand out with the details of this proposal. See board minutes for details. This plan was to be effective July 1, 2001.
It is the decision of this board to grant Pastor Ben Brown salary compensation without directly affecting the current budget. This will be done by reducing the principal on the Sr. Pastor's housing loan over a five year period.

[Table omitted]

A necessary aspect of this agreement is to aggressively replace lost revenue from the interest into the budget for the purpose of student scholarships. The revenue generated from this loan was equally divided between camp and student scholarships.

Sincerely,
signed Glen Vest, Chairman
signed Roger Stevens, Administrator

So Ben gets $70,000 of additional compensation without a church vote and outside of the budget. The board commits a felony by raiding an irrevocable trust. (Yes, trust according to documentation of original donor). The Triad School and the Camp lose interest income and future pastors lose a resource intended to help with housing. What leadership! Though Ben was forced to give the money back, he still thinks it was rightfully his to keep, so I doubt he'll ever come clean on the issue.

In other issues, let's not forget that BJ named the church as a defendant in her civil lawsuit. Surely the church assumed she would properly tithe on her settlement, so it sure seems like we have a conflict of interest.

Throw in a few lies, other unethical acts, some general ungraciousness, and it's easy to see why we don't think very highly of these people.

John

Re: Woman sues pastor, church over sexual relations - ExChristian.Net - News and Opinion

John C. — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:01:00 -0000

| So Roger Stevens signed off on this
| transaction in 2001, as did at least
| 12 other men?

Apparently so. Pretty amazing huh?

|
| Is Ben Brown that powerfull? He can
| change the minds of grown businessmen
| into giving/loaning him $70,000?

Yes, that powerful and manipulative.
Name one person in the last 20 years
that has confronted Ben on anything
substantial and not been threatened,
intimidated, or generally maligned.
Go ahead, name one. I got bunches
who have.

|
| Maybe Ben Brown made Roger cheat on
| his marital vows too.
|

I can see you're not taking the evidence
of embezzlement seriously.

| And if Ben Brown is so powerfull,
| then why didn't he get the DA's office
| in either of the counties that
| investigated Roger's alledged crimes
| to ring him up with charges?
|

He sure tried hard. Acted like he
was best buddies with Ed. Even claimed
to lead Ed to the Lord (another lie
but who's counting). I guess the
only conclusion is that Ed saw the
truth in spite of Ben.

| BRSC, that stands for (Before Roger's
| Sex Crimes) No one has a problem with
| Robin Schwartz being a music minister.
| You all high fived him, played
| volleyball with him and ate meals together.
|

I've got no problem with Robin being a
music minister in a church and being
restored to full fellowship in the body.
I do have a problem with a registered
sex offender have free access to a high
school campus, especially when the previous
offense was with a high school girl.
Public schools don't allow RSO on their
campuses. The reason no one had a problem
with it back then was because nobody knew
he was an RSO. I didn't, and I was on staff.

| Same for this issue with the housing
| allowance. If Ben Brown somehow bent
| people's minds into giving him this
| money, why didn't anyone mention it
| until now, years later? And where are
| the criminal charges there?
|

Because it generally wasn't known about
until about 2004 when Roger confessed
to Grant March (the original donor of
the money) that he failed to hold
Ben accountable to the intended use of
the funds. Since then it's been Grant's
issue. But make no mistake, Grant's
retired Federal Judge neighbor says he's
locked up people for less than what
happen here. Grant has shown a great deal
of mercy and patience to Ben. Since you
guys are so intent on being the sin police
maybe you should see if criminal charges
are appropriate.

| If Ben Brown is this powerfull, then
| I want to elect him as Mayor of
| Klamath Falls. But why stop there,
| let's make him Governor.
|

If you like power, go for it.

| And Bruner wrote bascially, Ben was
| the business end of the church, Roger
| was the People person.
|
| That is true, someone had to keep up
| with all the credit card fraud and
| church finance abuses.
|
| I would say it was a full time job
| just keeping up with Roger.
|

So you're all bent out of shape by
alleged credit card fraud by Roger
(for which you've provided no evidence)
yet when your guy makes off with 70k,
no big deal. I see how it is.

| And if 80 percent of the church left,
| why hasn't one single paid member of
| the staff left?
|

Ummm... because they need a job?
Because they're a blood relative
to someone who runs the place?
Why would anyone stick around if
they didn't have to?

But wait, paid staff has left.
Me, Deanna, Cindi, Steve.

| Yes, some volunteers have been poisoned
| into leaving, but the staff is intact.
| Has one single paid Triad teacher left?
|
| Didn't think so.

Trumble? Jessica? Ryan Dean?

| The Coopers were married by Roger,
| he led them to the Lord. So it's natural
| for them to defend.

Just for the record, he didn't lead us
to the Lord.

| John C. is amazing. He is a mind reader.
|

No - just ask my wife. Ben's
attitude is just obvious from the
way he has responded in personal
emails and from the difficulty
Grant had in getting the money back.

Bottom line - nobody there is interested
in truth. It's smear Roger's side
and hail BBC. That's why nobody
from BBC signs their name.

So, back to the 70k. Ben, you want
to come clean?

John

Re: Woman sues pastor, church over sexual relations - ExChristian.Net - News and Opinion

John C. — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:58:00 -0000

| How did Ben 'make off' with 70,000?
| I believe there is documentation
| saying that Roger originally came
| up with the idea in the first place.
|

I don't know how he did it. I
wasn't here at the time. Ask
the board members what happened.
In any event, it's documented
that a $70,000 church asset was
"granted" to Ben free and clear
by the board. And apparently
nobody at BBC cares.

| And really, calling Pastor Ben
| "Carpathia" is beyond pathetic.
|

I've never called Ben "Carpathia".
I've signed my posts. And my
wife has signed hers. See, there
you people go again. Jumping to
conclusions like it's truth.

I'm happy to hear that so many
people are so satisfied with
their current BBC experience.
I wasn't at the meetings where
Roger made these so-called
confessions, so I have to look
at the integrity all of the
parties from whom I hear
second-hand information. When
BBC folk don't care that Ben
tried to embezzle 70k, that says
something. When people don't
care that Ben is looking at
individuals' tithing data and has
staff members believing tithing
is a Biblical requirement for
deacon, that says something.
Why should I believe people that
jump up and down over alleged
lies from Roger, but aren't
concerned about Ben's lies?

What am I to think when when the
accuser says she spewed semen all
over the office couch and the
State Crime Lab can't find any
semen, yet people believe her
anyway? And when BBC people flip
Roger the bird, or do an about-face
at the sight of Gwen, or give the
cold shoulder to any Roger
supporter, does that lend to
their credibility?

As for Roger, his story to me
hasn't changed a bit from the day
I got back in town in late May 2004.
I've never caught him in a lie.

So I take the data, draw a
conclusion, and if I find out in
The Day that I'm wrong about Roger,
then I've still shown love to him
and Ben will still have to explain
the 70k. If I'm right, then Ben
will have to explain everything
including the 70k.

So if everybody at BBC is all warm
and fuzzy, unified in the need to
smear Roger, then you can have it.
Roger will still be the same man
I've known for 14 years.

John

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John C. — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:46:35 -0000

Voici les femmes - Here are the women
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Re: Early Feedback On Earl Stories

John C. — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 02:59:04 -0000

I also want to commend the Telegraph for the exceptional articles on Superintendent Julia Earl's city paid expenses. I found the article not only to be well researched and factual, but it was delivered in a very level manner with clear facts. As a taxpayer, I thank the Telegraph for shedding light on this issue which will surely spur further investigation into how our tax dollars are spent.

Thank You and Great Job.

Re: Ana’s Best Albums, Songs, and Movies of 2008

John C. — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:15:06 -0000

Yeah, the Dark Knight is sort of a given, sure, but the other four are big "what the fuck?"-s.

I have a huge list of movies for you to watch miss Half Note, if you're interested.

Re: Ana’s Best Albums, Songs, and Movies of 2008

John C. — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:15:06 -0000

Yeah, the Dark Knight is sort of a given, sure, but the other four are big "what the fuck?"-s.

I have a huge list of movies for you to watch miss Half Note, if you're interested.

Re: What is the best brand for golf club for beginner?

John C. — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:18:28 -0000

have the club pro fit you for a decent set of cavity backed irons that you wont play out of. Stay with Callaway, Ping Taylor Made Cleveland , Titelist. If he starts pushing some offbrand on you its because of a higher level of commision. I wouldnt go for woods until you find the ones you are going to use. For instance I drive w/ my 3 wood and use a 5 n 7 wood for fairway shots.

Cobra is good but the proplem with them is the loft there clubs differently then the industry.Its a gimic thing .a Cobra 6 iron is like a regular 5 iron. Therefore theydont have the name recognition as the others

Re: Tee Hee

John C. — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 02:21:00 -0000

MAN! I have to set a time limit for my kids on theirs! That was hilarious though.

Re: Boobs! Knockers! Lady Humps! Ha, that made you look, now please read this post.

John C. — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 23:50:00 -0000

I've had a pink ribbon campaign chicklet as well as Ilker's 'Topless Women' support chicklet in my sidebar for a while. Good post, Kate!

Re: Boobs! Knockers! Lady Humps! Ha, that made you look, now please read this post.

John C. — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:03:00 -0000

Kate,
Her chicklet one of the three that are under my MyBlogLog widget on my blog. :)