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in Weekend Open Thread on Alberta Bubble Blog
As for inventory, I can just about guarantee that we are going to see A LOT less inventory by December 2009. I have a model that is fairly accurate... My guess is we will see another 3,000 (at least) inventory less by December 2009. Inventory should plateau on an annual basis after this point.
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Mike_o_rama
I also predict that you should see A LOT more snow on the ground by December 2009 as well...
Radlay, what kind of prediction is " can just about guarantee that we are going to see A LOT less inventory by December 2009. I have a model that is fairly accurate" December inventory is ALWAYS lower than May/June.
Geez.
Mike
Radlay, what kind of prediction is " can just about guarantee that we are going to see A LOT less inventory by December 2009. I have a model that is fairly accurate" December inventory is ALWAYS lower than May/June.
Geez.
Mike
3 weeks ago
in Weekend Open Thread on Alberta Bubble Blog
I think we are at or near the peak price for the year (maybe next month), but in six months it will likely be cheaper due to seasonal variations in absorption rate. But to be clear, the current sales to new listings ratio is high enough to support year over year price increases. So, if I was trying to pick the trough for the year it would be December 2009.
As for the current rate of sales, I have looked at sales back to 1985, and the current rate of sales, as of last month is basically 100% in line with long term sales rates trend. The current rise in sales from December is actually much more than what is a typical seasonal rise. The December sales rate was basically worst since 1995, and is not supported for extended periods of time by demographic demand.
The amount of new listings we are seeing is about in line with what was present in 2003-2005. 2007 and 2008 had record amounts of new listings, and is a big reason what contributed to the correction.
As for the current rate of sales, I have looked at sales back to 1985, and the current rate of sales, as of last month is basically 100% in line with long term sales rates trend. The current rise in sales from December is actually much more than what is a typical seasonal rise. The December sales rate was basically worst since 1995, and is not supported for extended periods of time by demographic demand.
The amount of new listings we are seeing is about in line with what was present in 2003-2005. 2007 and 2008 had record amounts of new listings, and is a big reason what contributed to the correction.
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"I have looked at sales back to 1985, and the current rate of sales, as of last month is basically 100% in line with long term sales rates trend. "
Facts please.
Mike
Facts please.
Mike
3 weeks ago
in Weekend Open Thread on Alberta Bubble Blog
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in Weekend Open Thread on Alberta Bubble Blog
National prices have returned positive +0.4% year over year in May 2009 as compared to -11.3% year over year in January 2009.
Look at this picture: Who is Harper and Flaherty hanging out with?
It's the CREA after some Budget 2009 stimulation!
Harper, The Economist, and his homies, the CREA
Apparently, Squidly77 was not invited.
Look at this picture: Who is Harper and Flaherty hanging out with?
It's the CREA after some Budget 2009 stimulation!
Harper, The Economist, and his homies, the CREA
Apparently, Squidly77 was not invited.
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Jim_s
Where do you get your facts from? The 3 day course on how to fleece innocent citizens?
The average home price across Canada will hit $283,100 in 2009, down 6.7 per cent compared to 2008, the report predicts.
Alberta and British Columbia are the two provinces where home values have experienced the biggest drops compared to their most recent annual peaks.
CMHC now expects the average price for a home in Alberta to reach $322,500 in 2009, down 9.4 per cent from a peak value of $356,235 in 2007.
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The average home price across Canada will hit $283,100 in 2009, down 6.7 per cent compared to 2008, the report predicts.
Alberta and British Columbia are the two provinces where home values have experienced the biggest drops compared to their most recent annual peaks.
CMHC now expects the average price for a home in Alberta to reach $322,500 in 2009, down 9.4 per cent from a peak value of $356,235 in 2007.
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in Weekend Open Thread on Alberta Bubble Blog
CBC reports today that nationwide Canadian house prices are up 0.4% year over year.
"If you blinked, you may have missed the great housing correction in Canadian markets." - BMO Capital Markets
"If you blinked, you may have missed the great housing correction in Canadian markets." - BMO Capital Markets
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3 weeks ago
in Weekend Open Thread on Alberta Bubble Blog
Balloons wither? As in become dry and sapless without moisture or lose vitality. That is news to me.
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in Weekend Open Thread on Alberta Bubble Blog
Since this blog began in February 2007, Edmonton SFH prices, where the blog owner resides, fell from $384,207 (February 2007) to $377,565 (June 2009). A drop of a whopping $6,642. Is a 1.7% drop over a 2 year and 2 month period really the "Alberta Bubble" that was claimed was present over the previous 188 posts?
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vanman11
Edmonton housing prices, savings:
April 2008 median : $377,750
June 2009 median: $346,000
Savings of over $31,000. Not to mention property taxes, etc.
April 2008 median : $377,750
June 2009 median: $346,000
Savings of over $31,000. Not to mention property taxes, etc.
Bearclaw
http://www.bobtruman.com/Edmonton_SFH_stats/pag...
Radley,
during the boom people were buying basically anything to get into the market. From this time period price per square foot has dropped more.
In Feb 2007 SP/SF $288
June 2007 SP/SF $327
June 2009 SP/SF $256
Down 11% since Feb 2007
Down 22% since peak
IMHO, this figure is more representative of the market.
Radley,
during the boom people were buying basically anything to get into the market. From this time period price per square foot has dropped more.
In Feb 2007 SP/SF $288
June 2007 SP/SF $327
June 2009 SP/SF $256
Down 11% since Feb 2007
Down 22% since peak
IMHO, this figure is more representative of the market.
3 weeks ago
in Weekend Open Thread on Alberta Bubble Blog
Since this blog began in February 2007, Edmonton SFH prices fell from $384,207 (February 2007) to $377,565 (June 2009). A drop of a whopping $6,642. Is a 1.7% drop over a 2 year and 2 month period really the "Alberta Bubble" that was claimed was present over the previous 188 posts?
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vanman11
Actually since the blog started, the median high was:
April 2008, $377,750
June 2009, $346,000
So, yeah. People saved $31,000+ in one year.
Good savings!!!
April 2008, $377,750
June 2009, $346,000
So, yeah. People saved $31,000+ in one year.
Good savings!!!
squidly77
edmonton sfh prices
may 2007 $451,900 interest rate @ 7.7%
may 2009 $373,271 interest rate @ 3.5%
mar 2009 $353,000 interest rate @ 6.5%
a $98,000 loss using marchs price a small recovery in may due to interest rate reduction and a rapid depreciation dead ahead
http://www.bobtruman.com/Edmonton_SFH_stats/pag...
radley when i think of you i picture this
http://www.patricialin.com/images/confused.bmp
may 2007 $451,900 interest rate @ 7.7%
may 2009 $373,271 interest rate @ 3.5%
mar 2009 $353,000 interest rate @ 6.5%
a $98,000 loss using marchs price a small recovery in may due to interest rate reduction and a rapid depreciation dead ahead
http://www.bobtruman.com/Edmonton_SFH_stats/pag...
radley when i think of you i picture this
http://www.patricialin.com/images/confused.bmp
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1 month ago
in Weekend Open Thread on Alberta Bubble Blog
Don't forget to wave bye bye to the inventory.
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1 month ago
in Weekend Open Thread on Alberta Bubble Blog
I should add that that data is for Calgary. The seasonal adjustment is performed for all the data set. What it does is identify what volume of sales typically occur in any given month. That way, when REALTORS say things like well sales always rise in the Spring, or when bubblists say things like well sales always rise in the Spring, I can determine whether sales are rising more than they normally do or not and what sales would be if they were to continue at that pace.
I don't believe that the 16% growth is possible. Looking past the recent boom, it would look like maybe 5% growth is more likely given that we have slack in the system. Or would also accept the conclusion that we will have no growth over the next year, however as I have said before, I am quite confident we have already likely past the period of steepest declines.
Recent price data also confirms that the real estate market is firming up on a year over year basis.
e.g. Over the previous 3 month period, Feb to May 2009: SFH prices rose in Calgary by $20,859 , whereas in Feb to May 2008: SFH prices rose in Calgary by only $7,868.
I do think the chart is a good tool. For example, during the 1990's the market had a relatively high number of listings for extended period of time and no price growth, and in 1997 it shows leading indicator when the spread between sales and new listings opens up and coupled with the affordability information indicates that it was a good time to buy and that the market would have price momentum. In January 2005, as the spread grew to record amounts it indicates that prices were likely to boom. And in 2007, it identifies the start of the correction.
THat's why I think it is actually more important that people build a proper budget before buying, then looking at a chart like this. I don't want a person purchasing a house with unreasonable expectations of house appreciation, and failing due to poor budgeting and shortsightedness.
I don't believe that the 16% growth is possible. Looking past the recent boom, it would look like maybe 5% growth is more likely given that we have slack in the system. Or would also accept the conclusion that we will have no growth over the next year, however as I have said before, I am quite confident we have already likely past the period of steepest declines.
Recent price data also confirms that the real estate market is firming up on a year over year basis.
e.g. Over the previous 3 month period, Feb to May 2009: SFH prices rose in Calgary by $20,859 , whereas in Feb to May 2008: SFH prices rose in Calgary by only $7,868.
I do think the chart is a good tool. For example, during the 1990's the market had a relatively high number of listings for extended period of time and no price growth, and in 1997 it shows leading indicator when the spread between sales and new listings opens up and coupled with the affordability information indicates that it was a good time to buy and that the market would have price momentum. In January 2005, as the spread grew to record amounts it indicates that prices were likely to boom. And in 2007, it identifies the start of the correction.
THat's why I think it is actually more important that people build a proper budget before buying, then looking at a chart like this. I don't want a person purchasing a house with unreasonable expectations of house appreciation, and failing due to poor budgeting and shortsightedness.
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1 month ago
in Weekend Open Thread on Alberta Bubble Blog
I did not have the data for it... I was only able to find data back to 1985 for new listings and sales data from the CREB @ the wayback machine. Whereas, I have a consistent price data going back to the same period as the graph you posted above.
My opinion, is that the overvaluation in 2007 was similar to 1991 in that affordability was slightly worse in Calgary in 1991 compared to 2007.
Do you have know where I can find listings and sales data that predates 1985?
My opinion, is that the overvaluation in 2007 was similar to 1991 in that affordability was slightly worse in Calgary in 1991 compared to 2007.
Do you have know where I can find listings and sales data that predates 1985?
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1 month ago
in Weekend Open Thread on Alberta Bubble Blog
I have some graphs that I could post on my blog... But I'd rather see people go out and make a proper budget than buying based on what they think the real estate market will do.
Historical Price Relationship
Housing Recover Already Underway?
Historical Price Relationship
Housing Recover Already Underway?
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squidly77
why did you exclude the boom and crash of 1978-1984 ?
it was huge compared to the pee-on 1990 price spike that didnt come near being called a bubble
but todays bubble trumps easily the boom of the early eighties
http://www.investingintelligently.com/wp-conten...
as will the bust..
it was huge compared to the pee-on 1990 price spike that didnt come near being called a bubble
but todays bubble trumps easily the boom of the early eighties
http://www.investingintelligently.com/wp-conten...
as will the bust..
Mike_o_rama
Nice dream. What country are you graphing there, it sure isn't in North America!
Ok, few problems with your "data":
A. Historcial Price chart - VERY much too optimistic on your "forecast". Your last REAL data shows -14% then you forcast a 45° steep curve to +20% in 12 months? Right. That would be an even steeper curve than the LAST boom we were in! That would put prices at 250-300% in 1 year!
B. Housing Recovery Chart - "Seasonally adjusted numbers?" WTF? Seasonally adjusted means "faked data" not real data. You can't use data that was seasonally adjusted and say "thats the REAL numbers". Manipulated and baised chart.
Nice try, you should tell your pals at CREB to lower the sugar in your Kook-Aid.
Mike
Ok, few problems with your "data":
A. Historcial Price chart - VERY much too optimistic on your "forecast". Your last REAL data shows -14% then you forcast a 45° steep curve to +20% in 12 months? Right. That would be an even steeper curve than the LAST boom we were in! That would put prices at 250-300% in 1 year!
B. Housing Recovery Chart - "Seasonally adjusted numbers?" WTF? Seasonally adjusted means "faked data" not real data. You can't use data that was seasonally adjusted and say "thats the REAL numbers". Manipulated and baised chart.
Nice try, you should tell your pals at CREB to lower the sugar in your Kook-Aid.
Mike
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Well, credits for efficient architectures would be enough to me ;-). The POJO concept is not what is important here. But, how Spring is using it in comparison to EJB 3 and the influence on architecture, maintenance and the like. We also talk about Web container vs. EJB container. So, "Spring POJOs" is a term for the, if you so will, component model behind Spring.
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in Weekend Open Thread on Alberta Bubble Blog
In other news, Calgary ranked 6th in the world by The Economist for livability in 2009. See, we are different here. Now let's starting building a smarter growth model that is more sustainable. Yes, the oil reserves will keep Alberta's economic engine running for the next century, so we had better start planning for growth rather than pretending (or in Squidly77's case hoping it doesn't exist).
Another 7,300 people made there home in Alberta last month. Life is short, the current recession will be even shorter.
I would suggest that Alberta bubble bloggers take up different hobbies. The current supply situation is much less than demographic demand, and inventory has plummeted, and will likely drop further into 2010 given what I am seeing for seasonal sales and new listings.
I don't see the point in saying things like "tick tock" unless the situation was where supply was overwhelming demographic demand and inventory was increasing and already high. Clearly, we are no no where close to this point, and people will make decisions based on other things besides the market including probably the most important and that is where the current household budget is and there best projections and worst case scenario of where the household budget could go.
I do think affordable housing will continue to be an issue, and so it is important to steer the public debate towards funding more affordable housing initiatives. I think affordable housing really helps people become more engaged in their communities. For some, obtaining adequate shelter can be very hard, especially for those that worked or made a living in Alberta through blood, sweat and tears only to watch house prices sky rocket. I suggest migrating to a blog platform that is focused on issues of how to cope with Calgary's growth (long term problem), rather than those that are focused on the current downturn (short term problem).
Some ideas to help reduce housing costs include:
Legalize secondary basement suites (this should be done immediately in my opinion)
Recommend Plan It approval to allow for more MFH to be built that would increase weighting towards lower cost MFH units
Identification of rental market deals
Better liason between drop-in centre and subsidized rental initiatives
Mandate builder's to build a certain % as affordable units (not sure of the cost-benefit to this so it is just one issue I thought could be a potential discussion point)
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Another 7,300 people made there home in Alberta last month. Life is short, the current recession will be even shorter.
I would suggest that Alberta bubble bloggers take up different hobbies. The current supply situation is much less than demographic demand, and inventory has plummeted, and will likely drop further into 2010 given what I am seeing for seasonal sales and new listings.
I don't see the point in saying things like "tick tock" unless the situation was where supply was overwhelming demographic demand and inventory was increasing and already high. Clearly, we are no no where close to this point, and people will make decisions based on other things besides the market including probably the most important and that is where the current household budget is and there best projections and worst case scenario of where the household budget could go.
I do think affordable housing will continue to be an issue, and so it is important to steer the public debate towards funding more affordable housing initiatives. I think affordable housing really helps people become more engaged in their communities. For some, obtaining adequate shelter can be very hard, especially for those that worked or made a living in Alberta through blood, sweat and tears only to watch house prices sky rocket. I suggest migrating to a blog platform that is focused on issues of how to cope with Calgary's growth (long term problem), rather than those that are focused on the current downturn (short term problem).
Some ideas to help reduce housing costs include:
Legalize secondary basement suites (this should be done immediately in my opinion)
Recommend Plan It approval to allow for more MFH to be built that would increase weighting towards lower cost MFH units
Identification of rental market deals
Better liason between drop-in centre and subsidized rental initiatives
Mandate builder's to build a certain % as affordable units (not sure of the cost-benefit to this so it is just one issue I thought could be a potential discussion point)
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Mike_o_rama
"I would suggest that Alberta bubble bloggers take up different hobbies."
Radley, have you checked to see what BLOG you are on? It's called the ALBERTA BUBBLE BLOG, which would seem to indicate this IS our hobby/interests. I think you are on the wrong blog. Exit is to the left.
"I suggest migrating to a blog platform that is focused on issues of how to cope with Calgary's growth (long term problem), rather than those that are focused on the current downturn (short term problem)."
You have the two issues reversed. Growth (as Calgary experienced it in the boom) was THE short term issue, we had too many people move to Calgary in a very brief (1 year) time span. The current downturn, like the NEP (lasted 21 years!) is THE long term issue. The Alberta economic boom/bust is well documented for the past 100 years, it's like not talking about Winter in Alberta and just talking about bug spray.
Mike
Radley, have you checked to see what BLOG you are on? It's called the ALBERTA BUBBLE BLOG, which would seem to indicate this IS our hobby/interests. I think you are on the wrong blog. Exit is to the left.
"I suggest migrating to a blog platform that is focused on issues of how to cope with Calgary's growth (long term problem), rather than those that are focused on the current downturn (short term problem)."
You have the two issues reversed. Growth (as Calgary experienced it in the boom) was THE short term issue, we had too many people move to Calgary in a very brief (1 year) time span. The current downturn, like the NEP (lasted 21 years!) is THE long term issue. The Alberta economic boom/bust is well documented for the past 100 years, it's like not talking about Winter in Alberta and just talking about bug spray.
Mike
goldenpipewrench
I do agree with some of what you say but disagee with your ideas on shrinking inventory. Shrinking inventory has been caused by the massive pull back in new housing starts due to very light traffic. Builders are now building to sales not speculation of future demand.
You want to leagalize 2nd income suites? Sure/ if they are inspected and up to code and income drawn is kept above board.This ill also have the effect of pushing the rents down even farther as more supply is created.
Until prices equal 3x income, housing is a gamble and with iinterest rates set so low as to keep the prices inflated it becomes risky to to buy.
You want to leagalize 2nd income suites? Sure/ if they are inspected and up to code and income drawn is kept above board.This ill also have the effect of pushing the rents down even farther as more supply is created.
Until prices equal 3x income, housing is a gamble and with iinterest rates set so low as to keep the prices inflated it becomes risky to to buy.
Calgary_rip_off
Like most of the people here that say "buy buy buy" to newcomers, I dont you like them would be willing to heed your advice. You dont know the future. You have statistics. There are also statistics showing factual interest increases for which you have no idea except maybe 1982 stats of what will happen. STFP.
Please visit Garth Turners blog for current issues. Thx.
Please visit Garth Turners blog for current issues. Thx.

Another thing is these ultra low interest rates are front loading the buyers. By that I , mean those that were humming and hawing and trying to decide if they should take the plunge have now or are now in the process of taking the plunge. These are people who would have bought in a year or so but are now getting into the market. My neighbors are those type. They were holding off for around another year wanting to save more of a deposit but decided not to wait and to take advantage of the ultra low mortgage rates. The bought a condo. This is going to get rid of a ton of buyers later on, especially if rates go higher.