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Re: Peace march in London today

jamal — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:22:37 -0000

..and yeah, Nyrone's correct, the chantings over the top and not needed as it divides people.

Re: Peace march in London today

jamal — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:18:48 -0000

It was a good protest, apart from the idiots making trouble. A bit cold too!

The Israelis started this conflict historically, and more recently too in breaking the ceasefire in November 08.

These Zionist Israelis who suffered at the hands of Hitler’s Nazi regime, have now increased their own Holocaust and Ethnic Cleansing against Palestinian people. Not all Zionists or Israelis support these atrocities, but those Zionists and Israelis that do War on Palestine are effectively the new Nazis, the real Terrorists!!

Even when this invasion ends, the Israeli War on Gaza and Palestine will continue under another excuse no doubt, with whatever missions its corrupt leaders want to accomplish under the surface there. Its good the global community is speaking up and demanding that this violence and oppression ceases?

World Leaders must listen and immediately act to cease Israel’s bombing, siege, invasion, oppression, occupation and apartheid of Palestine and Gaza.

Israel, with use of sanctions and declarations of War against it if necessary, must return to its pre-1967 borders, withdraw from ALL Palestinian occupied territories (including the West Bank and East Jerusalem), allow Palestine to control its own borders and recognise Palestinian rights, including the rights to life, freedom, movement and the return to homelands.

Until this is achieved all political, economic and military aid, trade and support to Israel need to cease (including cultural and sporting isolation), that the Palestinian causes be defended, that the brutal Israeli/Zionist War crimes be denounced and that the oppressive Israeli policy of illegal expansion and oppression in Palestine be criticised.

Petition to Stop Israeli Terror in Palestine and Gaza.
http://www.petitiononline.com/Fr33Gaza/petition...

Re: An end to whataboutery

jamal — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:49:13 -0000

The Israelis started this conflict historically, and more recently too in breaking the ceasefire in November 08. So if youre going to write about something write about that.

Yes the Palestinians have fought back, courageous and united in the oldest human struggle - to be free. Stateless and humiliated for so long, they've risen up against Israel's huge military machine, although they themselves have no arm, no tanks, no American planes and gun ships or missiles.

Some have committed desperate acts of terror, like suicide bombing. But for Palestinians, the overriding, routine terror, day after day, has been the ruthless control of almost every aspect of their lives, as if they live in an open prison.

These Zionist Israelis who suffered at the hands of Hitler's Nazi regime, have now increased their own Holocaust and Ethnic Cleansing against Palestinian people. Not all Zionists or Israelis support these atrocities, but those Zionists and Israelis that do War on Palestine are effectively the new Nazis, the real Terrorists!!

Even when this invasion ends, the Israeli War on Gaza and Palestine will continue under another excuse no doubt, with whatever missions its corrupt leaders want to accomplish under the surface there. When will the global community speak up and demand that this violence and oppression ceases?

World Leaders must immediately act to cease Israel's bombing, siege, invasion, oppression, occupation and apartheid of Palestine and Gaza.

Israel, with use of sanctions and declarations of War against it if necessary, must return to its pre-1967 borders, withdraw from ALL Palestinian occupied territories (including the West Bank and East Jerusalem), allow Palestine to control its own borders and recognise Palestinian rights, including the rights to life, freedom, movement and the return to homelands.

Until this is achieved all political, economic and military aid, trade and support to Israel need to cease (including cultural and sporting isolation), that the Palestinian causes be defended, that the brutal Israeli/Zionist War crimes be denounced and that the oppressive Israeli policy of illegal expansion and oppression in Palestine be criticised.

Re: All hail U.S. ‘Homeland Security’!

jamal — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:50:25 -0000

It bad it happened, but his parents were wrong to put him on the news and have his name printed everywhere.

His parents could have reported on this while keeping their child anonymous.

Kids (particularly minorities) have enough problems growing up without added infamy of being a suspected terrorist at aged 7.

I mentioned what happened on my blog but left out his name for this reason.

Re: Help save their lives

jamal — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:45:04 -0000

They were not forced to translate/work for coalition troops and Britain is not required to give asylum to anyone who chooses to work for coalition troops, or worked for the coalition troops. I suppose next they'll want pensions too!

The reality is that these Iraqis betrayed their countrymen (for a wage) in order to assist coalition troops in slaughtering their fellow Iraqis during this illegal war. If these traitors now lose their lives as a result, then this is the consequence of their participation in this war, which has seen over a million Iraqis killed.

Re: A Veil Of Secrecy?

jamal — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:18:18 -0000

Services of this nature are required to identify abuse and support victims, as this may enable people to speak out against any abuse they witness or are made subject to.

However, I do not know how effective this charity will be and I would think it is the job of the government and the police to ensure that that everyone working with children is subject to Disclosure checks.

If it is the case that ‘Roshni’ feels that the police, social services and the government are not doing their jobs the it should say so, and seek to work alongside them rather then to replace them.

Re: Sikhs marching in Birmingham

jamal — Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:27:20 -0000

"As usual it’s become a Islam bashing thread. The topic is Sikhs marching becuase someone converted to a different religion. Not Taliabn, CIA, OBL and other nonsense."

Agreed!

Re: Sikhs marching in Birmingham

jamal — Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:07:07 -0000

They were marching against ‘alleged forced conversions’

well if you read the article above youll read "a teenaged Sikh woman who is said to have DECIDED to convert to Islam.” Even if she was forced, since the police are involved, what would a silly march by 100 people aim to achieve?

‘aggressive Islamic evangelising’.

what does that even mean. i live in a mainly non-christian area and today the preist from the local chuch pulled up on my road with a crowd of followers, handing out red baloons and shouting through a foghorn. there was no march against it.

Re: Sikhs marching in Birmingham

jamal — Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:01:12 -0000

Sunny,

The ruling on penalties for apostasy is not based upon the person defecting from Islam alone. In accordance with religious text and correct islamic jurisprudence, there are other conditions that must be met for a punishment, particularly death, to be handed down. Then there is the fact that there is mush disagreement over even this and many are of the opinion that it is actually Allah that must judge and punish one for this rather then man.

In other words, those that say apostasy is punishable by death are mistaken as there is no clear evidence of this being correct.

Im glad you support the girls right to convert, as do I (if this is what she has done). I think in considering the reasoning behind the march, this would include undeerstanding the actions of the girl and her reasons.

I suspect we will find that the reasons for the march and what the girls actually did is far different from what has been reported.

Re: Sikhs marching in Birmingham

jamal — Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:21:53 -0000

Sunny, thats total rubbish. Ive not suggested death for apostasy and you know it. If you even look into the rulings on it youll see theres more too it then just defecting from Islam.

Anyway, if this girl chooses islam its here choice and if she chooses to remain a sikh its her choice. Neither side should be compelling her.

If she was being forced by Muslims youd be up in arms, so lets have a little consistency now its seeks doing the forcing and marching.

As you said, "You either believe in freedom to choose religion or you don’t".

So should she have the choice to become/remain a Muslim and are these Sikhs wrong in marching against her use of her freedom of choice?

Re: Sikhs marching in Birmingham

jamal — Sun, 10 Jun 2007 16:42:34 -0000

Suzzy,

Intrestingly you instantly referred toapostasy which has nothing to do with this article, thread, post, etc.

Why is that?

Re: Sikhs marching in Birmingham

jamal — Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:09:33 -0000

THe girl is entitled to convert, and what a good choice she made.

The fact that people are marching against it shows the deep divisions in our society.

Do I hear anybody saying the Sikhs are WRONG to march???????

.....Silence. ....

Re: It’s the better late than never open thread.

jamal — Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:21:48 -0000

I'll not point out the contradictions/flaws in that statement, as not to highlight your incompetance and therefore ruin your pending relationship.

What I will say is that Ive advertised it everywhere, but if you want to beleive ive especially chose PP for this purpose, feel free.

Re: It’s the better late than never open thread.

jamal — Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:54:25 -0000

Agreed.

Re: It’s the better late than never open thread.

jamal — Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:27:18 -0000

Sid, you wnot get a PP promotion by brown-nosing Sunny.

Anyway, thanks for that publicity but if you actually decided to READ the post you would know that the initial post had nothing to do with Sunny.

The reference to Sunny is clearly stated as an "update" and "side note" and refers to what another blogger wrote about him.

FYI, I do think he's sometimes anti-Islam, nevertheless, I already gave the link to Sunny to let him know what was being written.

Re: It’s the better late than never open thread.

jamal — Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:02:49 -0000

Sunners, my apology. I thought it was worth a shot. Anyway, at least its been balanced with Rumbold's comments.

Re: It’s the better late than never open thread.

jamal — Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:24:47 -0000

My "grand scheme" would be that posting the following links at PP causes 50,000 people to.....

Sign the petition to BUILD the 'Mega Mosque'.
Or Sign this Pro Mosque Petition.

Re: Abortion again

jamal — Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:38:37 -0000

this may be of interest too http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/buildmosque/

Re: Abortion again

jamal — Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:31:54 -0000

Abortion is always an interesting debate, particualrly when the christians start picketing outside. The funny thing is that this is one issues where MP let their subjectivity show to evidence that birtish politics is not as secular as some people think.

Re: ‘British Oppression’

jamal — Tue, 22 May 2007 21:47:45 -0000

I disagree.

If you check the stats youll find that the majority of Muslim arrested under new teror laws are later released without charge.

Many times we have heard in the media that they have been subject to heavy handed tatics by the police, and held for lengthy periods.

Furthermore, it is not just brazilians that have been shot, remember forestgate?

Due process includes our right to seek to address issues of concern.

The reality is that these issues do occur too often, as does the rest of what has been described here.

Re: ‘British Oppression’

jamal — Tue, 22 May 2007 21:03:44 -0000

I think the idea of the protest is good, but because info is a limited on this im suspicious too.

Im all for peaceful protest, particularly with this one that seeks to highlights the problems Muslims face in Britain, so im hoping if this goes ahead it is not the work of those seeking to cause problems.

It seems the white rasicst (BNP, NF, Stormfront, etc) have got wind of this and are planning a counter demonstration (theres a few links on my blog).

Re: Nothing good ever came…

jamal — Thu, 10 May 2007 17:36:03 -0000

Really lots of good ame out of america. however, because Americans think they're high and mighty, they're used to giving the abuse but this shows they cant take it.

Re: The Islamist

jamal — Wed, 09 May 2007 20:36:24 -0000

My one question is whether he's still a Muslim?

If he is ill read it, if he's not Im not interested, as I said here;

http://desicritics.org/2007/05/07/002331.php

Re: Restrictions on Pakistani travel to US? (updated)

jamal — Thu, 03 May 2007 22:54:05 -0000

Obviously those pakistani visitors/descendants committing terror cause this, but it is also articles like that below that cause this to occur.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6613963.stm

When words like pakistan, al qaeda and jihadist are linked in one article, then that is quite vilifying for all due to the many that will then stereotype an entire religion, nation, and their descendants based upon it.

Media should seek to change perceptions as well as we as a people should encourage any terrorist aspirations to cease in those we know, as if not, then we as Britons may as well forget visiting our relatives and get used to holidays in Blackpool.

Re: A 7/7 inquiry?

jamal — Tue, 01 May 2007 12:59:59 -0000

I dont see what an enquiry aims to achieve, particularly when the money can be spent elsewhere maintaining the public sector or on improving security strategies.

We already know the security forces fail us as shown by the consistent rise in violent crime, and when they do act its usually on incorrect information, as we saw in forest gate and with Jean charles de menzes.

While Rachels post shows the difference between Muslims and Terrorists, it constantly refer to Muslims and therefore the subliminal message gets accross.

Why does she not instead highlight the recent report that points out of a total 500 terrorist attacs in Europe in 2006 was attributed to those claiming it was done in the name of Islam.

Hence this call for an enquiry keeps Muslims in the news and fuels the moral panic about the spread of Islam, the misconceptions about the true extent of ‘Islamist terror’, and the subsequent rise in Islamophobia and racism on our streets.

Re: Not an open thread

jamal — Sun, 29 Apr 2007 06:34:47 -0000

He has good arguements, a pity he's going!

Re: Straw ‘opposes all Muslim veils’

jamal — Mon, 09 Oct 2006 05:37:30 -0000

Muslim women have the choice as to whether they wear a veil and it is not Jack Straw’s position or place to demand that veils be removed in his presence. Mr Straw is a politician and should therefore keep his personal views to himself and cease from attempting to inject his secularist ideas into political debate and government policy. The calls to remove him from his position must be followed if New Labour is to uphold its supposed commitment to multiculturalism, equality and human rights. I assume that Mr Straw is required to follow an anti-discriminatory policy as well as the recent legislation outlawing religious discrimination in the workplace. Mr Straw has offended the sentiments of the Muslim community with his statements that ignore the rights of Muslim women to wear a veil, and has effectively discriminated against Muslim women by restricting them direct access to his political consultation/representation based upon their choice of religious practice/expression. Let’s not forget that when Ken Livingstone offended the sentiments of the Jewish community by likening a journalist to a “concentration camp guard”, he was suspended. Or is it only Jews that receive recompense when they are offended?

Re: It not only stuns, it ‘disorientates’

jamal — Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:05:54 -0000

THis is amazing.. the wonders of technology. Although I think they maybe keeping the 'lethal' version secret from us!

Re: It’s the official end-of-blogging-sabbatical weekend thread!

jamal — Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:34:14 -0000

Dont worry about the work enemies... I have lots of them. As long as your performance is good, they cant affect you.

Re: Never enough blogs

jamal — Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:29:57 -0000

That diary ideas pretty interesting. I left you a comment too!!

Re: Iraqis want US forces to leave

jamal — Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:06:41 -0000

The military should withdraw as it is no longer having any lasting successes in maintaining a meaningful role in Iraq.

Aparrantly UK military leaders now believe that Afghanistan is a more worthwile and winnible battlefield.

Re: What’s Memorial Day for?

jamal — Mon, 29 May 2006 16:30:02 -0000

"MARINE throwing himself on a bomb to protect an Iraqi child, or a Marine giving his life to rid a town of murderers or a Marine or an Army man or woman or a Navy Seal or a Coast Guardsman offering up his life so that Iraqi human beings can have the same freedoms and rights we take for granted here in America."

Maybe the slaughter, torture and death BY marines, navy seals and coast guardsman just outweighs any good they may have done in illegally invading iraq and forcing upon them a regime that has cause death and near them to civil war!!

Re: A wider perspective on Israel and Middle East

jamal — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 17:27:39 -0000

katy, maybe you think “The Jews are responsible for all of the problems in the world”. They got alot more work to do to be qualified for that!.

yo.. obviously the arguement here is over your head. Although, it is good to see that even when spelt incorrectly you are able to understand that being reffered to. Isreal action is evidently similar to Nazi action.

Re: A wider perspective on Israel and Middle East

jamal — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 16:45:37 -0000

Well your arguement is merely repeating the usual tit for tat arguements we have seen over and over in the past two weeks. The fact remains that Israel has been aWestern supported oppressor and terrorist in the Middle-East for a very long time.

For the few Israeli's that are made homeless, injured or killed, there are many Palestinians and Lebanese that are affected in a similar context. Nevertheless, it is irrelavant whether either side is considered the "bad guys" or the "good guys". Though I dont know how you can even think you can expalinjustify for Israel whose acts genocide, crimes against humanity, breaches of geneva convention, and mass slaughter and displacement of civilians CAN compare with the acts suffered by the Jews themselves by the Nazi's.

At this moment in time all that should matter is campaigning for an IMMEDIATE ceasefire on both sides.

Re: U.S. Ambassador warns Iraqis about sectarianism

jamal — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:22:45 -0000

Intresting article, but the fact remains that if it were not for USA there may not be such sectarinism violence occuring. You cant just start a war, destabalise a country, and then condemn the invaded for fighting in the fallout.

The blog format here looks different to that which I remember. I like it!

Re: The definitive Zinedine Zidane post

jamal — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:55:03 -0000

lol.. these are mad.

Re: Impossible discussions

jamal — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:42:56 -0000

i thought that disappeared suddenly. You should stil cover it. Any article an discussion would be valid.

Re: The Foreign Office and radical Islam

jamal — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:26:42 -0000

I didnt watch the show, but the main problem is that we have peole at each end of the spectrum. On one hand there are the well to do moderate muslims that want to ignore the opression and suffering muslims face, on the other hand there are the radical elements that shout "infidels" at every given chance. More muslims in the middle is needed. Let it be noted that this is where the majority currently lie, but the non-muslim bigots want to ignore this as it crushes their arguements, just as the government want to ignore this as it exposes their shallow policies and failure to address the realities of their current failings of the terror situation.

Re: How do you converse with the Jamals of the world?

jamal — Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:53:30 -0000

This post was quite an amusing read. I am entitled to my point of view and where I provide supporting evidence, your option is to refute it with evidence or to concede.

Re: Absurd headline of the week

jamal — Mon, 03 Jul 2006 15:22:01 -0000

lol@ that headline. Does the DT really think it can equate 'America' to 'Mankind'?

But apparantly, they dont like us rither because of our supposed "bad manners" (see link)

http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1029...

Re: Scotland first Asian MSP?

jamal — Mon, 03 Jul 2006 15:25:22 -0000

So scotland has a bit of parlimentary Asian diversity at last. Great news. Lets hope he provides a relevant representation, and many more follow.

Re: Out of Uniform

jamal — Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:57:36 -0000

On a side note, if these soldiers are so "intelligent and motivated", then why are they supporting a war based on a pack of lies and unachieved objectives, propagated by a leader that has recently been likened to Adolf Hitler?

Re: Reuters calls for release of Iraqi cameraman

jamal — Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:52:04 -0000

This article is very misleading. People like to believe that Iraq soldiers target US journalists. It happens, but it is a propaganda technique to say thats ONLY the Iraqi's do this. There are many reports of US soldiers targeting journalist. Below is one report from BBC news of a journalist that survived one such attack by USA troops.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/hardtalk/...

Re: Reuters calls for release of Iraqi cameraman

jamal — Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:19:47 -0000

Intrestingly you refer to killing media personal. So I suppose it was also an "Accident" when Al Jazeera was hit by a US missile. I am sure there are various other civilian and media targets that have been hit by the USA. So since you imply "insurgents" are bad for targeting USA journalists, does this make USA bad also, since they have done the same thing??

Because USA kills and then calls it an "accident", does that justify it. With all their high tech weapons and geo tracking, should they really be making so many accidents. Or are they just lying to us? Yes they are. And i supposed youve ignored all the innocents that have been killed by the USA or captured and tortured in Abu Ghriab and Guantanamo Bay?....

Or is it one rule for some and another rule for others? Sounds like a double standard. Thats not too clever Trevor!

Re: Silly string

jamal — Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:15:47 -0000

nice!

Re: Warnings of Bin Laden

jamal — Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:41:53 -0000

"Youâ€™re certainly both entitled to your negative opinions of our current war"

Well maybe if there was some significant range of positive alternatives trevor!

You said we must "We must act in our own best interest first"... if that by any means refers to Saddam Hussains 45 minute WMD threat... it was never proven. So that therefore asks the questions, in whose intrest is this War, and for whose benefit are these soldiers fighting?

If this war is due to "a battle between cultures" as you say, then that is not a good enough reason for mass slaughter on both sides.

I laugh at your statement of "On the other side are the head choppers, the murder bombers and the hate mongers", because what do YOU have on YOUR side. Do the USA Army not kill, Bomb, slaughter, Lie and Torture??

Should all the Iraqui's just end the War and apologise to GW Bush for invading them and slaughtering thousands of innocents based upon a lie and media propaganda?

By your posts, it is clear that you are unable to comprehend the arguments of anti-war folks as your own logic is biased and blinkered.

Re: Warnings of Bin Laden

jamal — Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:14:58 -0000

The view of a soldier just does not cut it for me. Peace and stability has not reigned supreme in Iraq. Civil unrest is worse then it ever was. The soldiers in Iraq do not even know why they are there as they are fighting for a cause that is intertwined with conspiricies and lies. If this soldier is so concerned, then why has he not gone to help in Sudan or elsewhere in the World where atrocities and violence are widespread?

BTW... im that samw Jamal. Ive just relocated my site to http://opinionated.blogsome.com/

Re: Weekend open barbeque thread

jamal — Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:36:08 -0000

lol @ Jonz

Just chill and enjoy the barb and football..

Great own goal by Paraguay!!

Re: Behind the BNP’s respectable mask

jamal — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:31:19 -0000

Glad to see the BNP being exposed for the scum it is. Reading the article he slanders jews, muslims, asains, blacks.... what a racist retard. This article should be posted everywhere.

Re: A very bad taste in the mouth

jamal — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:06:05 -0000

Its all still worrying. No proper evidence (as ofar as we know), but a number of injuries. In the melee, Blair is aparrantly backing the raid. This is so confusing. No wonder the police and government are not trusted.

Re: East London raid

jamal — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:17:20 -0000

so many hours of intelligence, 250 police, and they shot an unarmed many and brutalised their next dooe neighbours. Something sounds very wrong about all this.

Re: India: HIV Nation

jamal — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:24:51 -0000

Yes I read about this previously. It pretty worrying that the figures are so high. AS with in africa, I assume that nothing significant will be done to address this issue.

The way I see it, in these HIV hotspots, contraception should be free and related education should be commonplace. The alternative is a continous mass of corpses!!

Re: Well whaddya know?

jamal — Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:35:52 -0000

"Muslims are still so fucking petty it annoys the shit of me."
Col. Mustafa, really you should be applying that to yourself based on your above speech.

With all your references to "the jews", what you fail to realise (as many do) is that the WW2 holocaust was where jews AND ALSO Sinti and Roma populations of Europe, Poles, Russian POWs, ethnic Slavs, Homosexuals, Jehovah’s Witnesses, the physically and mentally disabled, Communist, Socialists, Trade Unionists and political dissidents died.

This is the point the MCB makes... the holocaust does not exclusively refer to jews, although it is promoted in this way.

Re: Well whaddya know?

jamal — Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:38:31 -0000

Im glad we're agreed on something.

Re: Well whaddya know?

jamal — Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:24:43 -0000

Rohin.. I dont see your point. Nowhere have I said that genocides also committed by muslims should not be included. A genocide day should emcompass all genocides and many of the acts throughout history that can be descrided by the definition you have provided, not just the one against jews. If MCB do not accept this then they should. Because everybody is on the jew bandwagon, nobody has probably thought to question them on this. Maybe you should drop them a line?

In terms of the Islamic view on unlawful sexual intercourse which you consider to be a "loophole", you are somewhat misguided. If a person practices homosexuality and then repents then Allah is forgiving.

The Prophet said, “One who has repented of a sin (sincerely) is like one who has never sinned at all.”

Forgiveness is something that many religions include. Many commit various sins and agree they are wrong and seek forgiveness. The Qur'an says “O you who believe! Turn to God in true, sincere repentance.” (66: 8). "Allah accepts the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance and repent soon afterwards" (4:17).

'Fake' repentance is not a get out of jail free card; "Strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell" (66:9).

The Prophet said: “When a servant of Allah commits a sin a black spot is planted in his heart. If he gives up that sin and asks Almighty Allah for forgiveness, his heart gets purified. But if he returns to sinning, the black spot widens until it causes the heart to rust altogether.” (At-Tirmidhi)

This is referred to in the Quran; "By no means! but on their hearts is the stain of the which they do! (83: 14).
"As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur)." (2:6-7)
“Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? But what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life? And on the day of judgement they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.” (2:85).

Therefore I would assume this does not mean fake repentance to achieve your loophole is benefitting. I would not think a person would really think they could lie to Allah. They may repent and do it again, but i assume he basis of the forgiveness would be that do they actually believe it was wrong, or do they commit homosexuality and consider it to be ok and acceptable in Islam. The point i have already made in the comment you quoted is that from what i read, i assume many gays commit their gays acts and do not consider it to be wrong, even though the Quran says different. Therefore a muslim cannot really consider himself muslim and gay, it must be one or the other.

Re: Well whaddya know?

jamal — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:02:09 -0000

Well whaddya know?

A gay magazine which described immigrants as "criminals of the worst kind" and Islam as a "barmy doctrine" has been condemned as racist by other gay rights groups. According to the magazine of the Gay and Lesbian Humanist Association (Galha), Islam is growing "like a canker" in the UK through "unrestrained and irresponsible breeding". Guardian
Guardian 2

Re: Well whaddya know?

jamal — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:23:18 -0000

If we are referring this to Islam. Then the Quran says what is right and wrong. Read back the coments and click on the links and this is what you will find.

Re: Well whaddya know?

jamal — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:18:35 -0000

lol.. maybe TV... then theres the high voices also.. additionally irritating!

Re: Well whaddya know?

jamal — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:46:21 -0000

Bikhair, further to what i said, an intresting quote from the quran is, “Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? But what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life? And on the day of judgement they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.” (2:85).

Waxon, im not sure who you refered that to but im not sure of the answer. my opinion would be that it is not ok to have such feelings as they do not refer to ok acts, but then things do happen automatically, so i would think the emphasis would be upon what was done with those feelings.. ie, was they pursued or not.

you may be intrested in reading, The Muslim View Of Homosexuality

Re: Well whaddya know?

jamal — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:20:27 -0000

Bikhair.. this is the hadith:

he Prophet said, “The one who commits an illegal sexual intercourse is not a believer at the time of committing illegal sexual intercourse and a thief is not a believer at the time of committing theft and a drinker of alcoholic drink is not a believer at the time of drinking. Yet, (the gate of) repentance is open thereafter.”

Correct, shirk is the worst sin, unforgivable. Nevertheless, based on the quran, homosexuality is an act worthy of death. I call no-one a Kafir, but would advise against living a life under the category of a sin worthy of death, without acknowledging or repenting for the wrongdoing, but instead promoting it as lawful.

Re: Well whaddya know?

jamal — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:13:19 -0000

"That’s not fair is it?"

Fair is not the point, it is about what is right.

Re: Well whaddya know?

jamal — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:54:22 -0000

Regarding a 'genocide memorial day', I consider it to be a good thing that would also recognise the mass murder of Muslims and others in Palestine, Chechnya, Darfur and Bosnia as well as people of other faiths and countries throughout history including the colonial era, Rwanda and the WW2 holucaust where jews, Sinti and Roma populations of Europe, Poles, Russian POWs, ethnic Slavs, Homosexuals, Jehovah’s Witnesses, the physically and mentally disabled, Communist, Socialists, Trade Unionists and political dissidents died.

Re: Well whaddya know?

jamal — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:47:04 -0000

Based on the line "Homosexuality is immoral and spreads disease, and civil partnerships are damaging to society", I wouldnt say the MCB have decided it is OK.

Thanks for quoting me Rohin. I'll clarify the meaning here.

The Prophet said, "The one who commits an illegal sexual intercourse is not a believer at the time of committing illegal sexual intercourse and a thief is not a believer at the time of committing theft and a drinker of alcoholic drink is not a believer at the time of drinking. Yet, (the gate of) repentance is open thereafter."

Re: Rising violence in Iraq

jamal — Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:52:56 -0000

This was disgusting. A terrible day for Iraq and humanity. Added to any deaths caused by the military, im sure the number further increases.

Re: End of Sharon’s era

jamal — Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:15:48 -0000

I think the situation now regarding palestine-isreali conflict is neither good nor bad.

Some say "better the devil you know". Sharon was called a butcher, bulldozer, terrosit, etc.. due to his activities. On the other hand, he pulled out of Gaza, but then pursued expansion into other areas while he was meant to be observing the ceasefire.

Interestingly, the clot was not discovered during his recent hospitalisation. What is even more interesting is that this incident occured just 1 day after Sharon was publically implicated in a bribery scandal! Far be it from me to stand in the way of a good conspiracy theory….

“A live Sharon will have to face prosecution for the Kern-Schlaff bribes, even in Israel’s thoroughly corrupt legal system. A dead Sharon will not have to face prosecution. And that would be just fine for the creme de la creme of the country’s political leadership.”

Re: Is political correctness out of control?

jamal — Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:59:17 -0000

I get it, im just not in agreement with their cause which may be similar in nature but not the same.. The bnp have a cause too, and I dont agree with it either! This is my right, to disagree with what i dislike, as you disagree with me. This is what the "out of control" political correctness ignores, resulting in a mass of people pretending to like each other and fearing to say the wrong thing. This is not what being politically correct is about. It is about not offending others and unsing acceptable dialogue and behaviour.

Re: Is political correctness out of control?

jamal — Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:24:48 -0000

Sunny.. you are wrong there.

If people critisise Islam that is their choice. I do request their understanding and that they silence their tongues if they do not, but only if they are being offensive. It is not offensive for them to say they do not like muslims and do not agree with Islam. This is their choice of opinion. The same that I have regarding issues including homosexuality.

In this politically correct charges world, it is frowned upon to do this, and this is actually incorrect effect of political correct. You obviously agree with this or would not have penned the article, and therefore should not be campaigning for "muslims to be more tolerant towards gays".

Re: Is political correctness out of control?

jamal — Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:31:20 -0000

It is out of control. Though this post is somewhat hypocritical as you (sunny) have recently written a post saying muslims should be more tolerant to gays!!

It is now difficult to say what one means in particular places due to fear of reprimands or even dismissal or prosecution.

Correlatingly, many appear to be "walking on eggshells" due to not knowing what are he current politically correct labels and phrases to be used.
I always wonder who actually makes the terms deemed acceptable or be it "political correct".

A good example is where i work there is a 'diversity panel' who considers this for the entire region and somerimes entire country. The joke is that the panel is mainly made up of white middle class people who havent really got a clue. In fact, i was the one who had to inform them about 'islam in the workplace'.

Re: Churchill: Let the fakir die

jamal — Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:05:33 -0000

In his book "from The River War", he also considered the spread of Islam as "the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries" and that we have "slovenly systems of agriculture”.. a quote the BNP like to use. apparantly he edited it out of later editions, probably after realising that us muslims do not consider themselves to be "Mohammedan", and that agriculture originated in the middle east region.

Based on what youve said above (apart from the hitler bits) i think i just consider him as a racist. This is not actually surprising as hye was a leader of a country at a time when racism, prejudice and feelings of superiority were riding high in England. It wasnt that much of a way off from the imperialistic golden age which basically means racism, slaughter, pilliging and genocide.

Anyway, history is history, forget all the heros and has beens;

“As Gandhi said, ‘we must be the change we want to see in the world.”

Re: On dealing with homosexuality

jamal — Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:12:00 -0000

"So what’s a muslim supposed to do when he or she finds out that they have feelings for the same sex?
Pray to god for forgiveness."

A juvinile comment and a bigoted response.

I assume many also have feelings of drug use, alcohol use, adultry, suicide, crime, gambling, racism, deciet, etc. I they wish to pursue them then this is their choice. Reference to the Quran will tell them that they should not pursue such a course of action. Some will follow this advice, other will ignore it, others will justify their actions on an imaginary scale of deviancy whilst doing so.

Cotravening one rule does not make a person not a muslim. Note it is stated that whilst one commits the sinful act they are not a muslim at the time of committing the act but are a muslim both before and after. The key point being that they agree the act, attitude or behaviour to be wrong.

What I am saying is that it is that however it is argued it is unacceptable in Islam and as a Muslim. Furthermore, to live a life under the classification of a "homosexual" is a direct contradiction of Islam and is therefore unjustifiable. One cannot live a life of continously committing sin regarded as worthy of death, hell, and refusal from paradise and still claim it is ok in Islam. It is not ok. This is all i am saying. I did not write the rules, i merely agree with them and follow them.

Re: On dealing with homosexuality

jamal — Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:35:51 -0000

The "technicalities" are important as they relate to the issue. You cannot argue for the issue if you wish to ignore the related issues.

The existence of a 'gay muslim group' has as much significance for Islam as 'Al Qaeda', or a 'pork earting muslim group' does. It is irrelavent to the issue of Islam as the specified activity is 'against' Islam rather then 'for'.

Why do you think that muslims specifically or collectively are not "tolerant" of gays and do not "live and let live"?

If people critisise Islam that is their choice. I do request their understanding and that they silence their tongues if they do not, but only if they are being offensive. It is not offensive for them to say they do not like muslims and do not agree with Islam. This is their choice of opinion. The same that I have regarding issues including homosexuality. I have asked you this before... will you tolerate your sons "hardships" and fight for "equality" when he comes home from primary school and tells you he has a boyfriend?

Re: On dealing with homosexuality

jamal — Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:22:56 -0000

sunny.. im quite surprised you make points that you wonder why Islam is defended by politicians when they show no tolerance towards gays (i think i am correct there). Is this just another stab at Islam?

In actual fact, gays are defended by politicians and receive exceptional rights and protection, particularly in the workplace, army, education, etc. Even getting some types of music banned from the country and elsewhere in the world. Muslim campaigners cant even get a few blasphemous cartoons banned..

I would say that gays get the same if not more then rights regarding religions. Gays are always campaigning and always getting the politicians and media on their side. For their once illegal sexuality, they have caused it to become an actual classification and receives rights based upon this classification.

Gays can now have these "civil partnerships" to receive similar rights as married people. something that straight couples cannot. You will argue that straight couples have marriage and so should gays.. but i will ask you why you do not also argue why straight couples do not have "civil partnerships" also?

I cannot speak for all muslims but i can for myself. i do not like homosexuality, but i tolerate it as it is an accepted activity (or whatever you want to call it) in this country by law. i do not wish to transgress the laws or related policies and therefore my opinion is that gays are just another set of deviants that are allowed to live and act as they choose.

gays may consider myself or other muslims as deviants also of a differing nature for not liking them due to our religion. They therefore have a right (according to their own principles) to be angry towards myself or other muslims.

The point is that I do not really care what they think of my opinion and do not really care of the opinion they have of myself or other muslims.

Re: “So how do you feel as a British Muslim”

jamal — Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:39:43 -0000

Sunny, because people (muslims and non-muslims alike) will sympathises with the palestinien cause, does not mean they should also feel the guilt of 7/7 and 9/11. Its a silly example. If my neighbours is wrongly killed I feel sorry for him and will help his family whether he is muslim or non-muslim. If my neighbour wrongly kills another, I feel no guilt for him whether he is muslim or non-muslim. If he decides to wrongly blame it on Islam, then this is his mistake. Even though I will tell him he is wrong, his wrongdoing was no fault of mine, so why would I feel guilty?

Douglas, many muslims will "circle the wagons" too, just as members of many groups (particularly youths) will rally the troops without considering the cause, so lets not just attributed this to muslims. However, such instances are limited in the west and the people involved are a small minority. From what I see, the marity should not and would not "circle the wagons" unless the cause is just. instead people strive to stick up for themselves and others by speaking out when they are offended, oppressed or discriminated against.

Re: “So how do you feel as a British Muslim”

jamal — Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:12:54 -0000

"When they ask for our collective denouncement they are implying our collective guilt"

This is true. I too feel no guilt for such crimes, nor offer any explanation other than that all groups have deviants. Nevertheless, many non-muslims will fail to accept such a point as they want to continue to point the finger at muslims and Islam. In light of recent events, many fail to realise that our responsibility is merely to promote the good and condemn the bad. In the melee there has been a ‘plight of British Muslims’, therefore making this entire article invalied.

We may be muslim and british, but this does not mean we must adopt the "stiff uppper lip" attitude. I neither think that those youths that fight against becoming a culture of victims are "militant", nor that those that complain about educational/employment discrimination and being spat on in the streets are taking advantage and playing ‘the Muslim Card’.

Re: “So how do you feel as a British Muslim”

jamal — Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:58:45 -0000

or to clarify.

Re: “So how do you feel as a British Muslim”

jamal — Mon, 26 Dec 2005 19:58:06 -0000

As a Muslim in the UK I feel a mix of all the things listed from time to time and probably act in all the ways listed from time to time.

In many places and by many people, we are under the spotlight. Some of us perpetuate this, some of us fear it, some of us avoid it, some of us do neither, and some of us dont care either way.

Muslims carried out 9/11, muslims carried out 7/7, muslims have committed various other attacks throughout the world. Some muslims support these attacks, while the majority do not. Nevertheless, muslims as a whole are still in the spotlight, and if we allow the finger to be pointed at us then it will continued to be pointed.

Therefore it is right for us to speak up, whether this is to highlight unequal treatment, or to respond to our misconieved critics and aggressors, both muslim and non-muslim.

We are muslims and we are british. Every group receives discrimination and every group has whingers, extremists and oppressors. We should stand up for our rights when required, regardless of "in-sensitivities", while providing good examples to correct the misconceptions.

The only advice from my own experiance is to not always assume the worst. Recently I have advised many other muslims that sometimes when we feel discriminated against, stereotyped, or oppressed, this is not actually the case. Sometimes we feel this way because we expect it or because we have become untrusting and sometimes even hateful towards our non-muslims counterparts. On many occasions I have found that what initially appears to be discrimination or slander, is actually due to non-muslims misunderstanding muslims, or due to them actually being overly sensitive towards. Therefore we need to speak up whenever and wherever it is necessary. This could be to defend, attack, explain, or to educate.

Re: Are the Conservatives finally developing sense?

jamal — Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:29:40 -0000

This is intresting, but i'll reserve comment or opinion for when some action has actually taken place and been sustained.

Re: Iranian President in need of slap

jamal — Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:26:12 -0000

Although he does amuse me with his comments, he does need a slap. However, there is some scope in his words. The “Holocaust” has become over-exaggerated and engorged to an extent that the word has become exclusive to the Jewish atrocity, disbarring other races involved, and other genocides that have followed. The word “Holocaust” is not exclusive to Jews. Furthermore, this construction after the fact of “The Holocaust” has then been perpetrated by Zionists to justify their settlement in the Middle East, which has involved the slaughter, oppression and displacement of Arabs.

Re: Race riots down under – who’s the victim?

jamal — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:58:46 -0000

Don... that is true. Conflict is apparantly the human condition, which is evidently the norm in/between most societies. Peace is the exception.

Al Hack asked "who is the victim?". The victims are all those on either side that did not take part in the conflict, but will suffer from the fallout/aftermath for the next few years.

Re: Rupees for questions, blogger shtyle

jamal — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:55:11 -0000

Jay, you right, that debate is huge.

Re: Rupees for questions, blogger shtyle

jamal — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:47:17 -0000

I cdould actually imagine that question being asked.. lol

On a side note, you may be intrested in publishing my peice on the Sydney Race Riots, theres been 2 days of it so far, although its not been reported too much.

Re: British Muslims, faith and Sharia law

jamal — Sun, 04 Dec 2005 10:47:37 -0000

Jonz, the article states;

"In theory and practise the system of government that gives you the greatest opportunity to practise your religion as you believe you should is a liberal democracy where people of all faiths are given the choice of whether or not to follow religion."

..therefore the imperfections of democracy is very relevant.

Also due to the statement;

"Since then the gates of ijtihad have been closed and there has not been much jurisprudential development to update Islamic law so that it can provide guidance in the modern world."

...I consider it a valid point to investigate the extent to which democracy should be considered a better provision of "guidance", or not.

Re: British Muslims, faith and Sharia law

jamal — Sun, 04 Dec 2005 10:39:19 -0000

"If you are a Sunni Muslim then you may well be persecuted in Islamic but Shia Iran. If you are a Shia or an Ahmadi Muslim then you might well be persecuted in Islamic but Sunni Saudi Arabia (and Pakistan). We all saw the indiscrimanate nature of the Taliban who didn’t seem to give any regard to due process and individual protection. We all saw the indiscrimanate nature of the Taliban who didn’t seem to give any regard to due process and individual protection."

Sunny, this is a point reformist muslim made. In terms of representation, not much different from "the country was roughly half for and against it (Iraq war) according to many polls", or the illegal invasion of Iraq which failed to follow the due process. Though you wont accept this point as you are only able to stick to your rigid views concerning sharia and democracy, determining my views as "silly" and yours as not!

Maybe all denominations/sects of Islam can be practised in a democracy and not in a sharia system, but is this the point of the article. Lets not forget that in a "liberal democracy", islam is currently in the spotlight with correlations to terrorism, terror laws infringe rights, race and religious crimes are rife and that religious expression is infringed. Are you disputing this? The "reality as it is practised now" is that there is no perfect example of sharia or democracy.

Re: British Muslims, faith and Sharia law

jamal — Sun, 04 Dec 2005 09:18:14 -0000

In an ideal world democracy is "better than" and "for the people", in reality it is not. The amount of people that opposed war in iraq shows this. Democracy may oppose anti religious, racist and sexist laws, but then is it not democracy that made these laws in the first place. Democracy is not what it is theorised as, because we are living in an increasingly policed state where we are nannied and told what to do. This is what we are "evolving" towards.

El Cid, I hear what you say, but the fact remains that Hobbes's leviathan was a blueprint for the system of democracy we have now in that it intertwines with the works of the others you refer to in terms of the implementation of the state. Many works of these men are merely enhanced versions of the works of others, and none would i call brilliant or great. As you said; "If left unchecked without a clearly demarcated authority it would lead to anarchy". Relate this to marx and we see that the law does not rule on its own. Politics, laws, etc exists to maintain the economy and the ruling intrests of the elite. Which is why it has also been said that democracy is a hypocrisy as determined by the aristocracy. Its all a matter of perspectives, which is why it would in fact be possible to correlate sharia with hobbes if we are to assume sharia is designed to implement the best way of living and interaction for a people. Democracy can also be correlated with this system, the only difference being it governs from the ideals of man. The problem being in a system that is not set and can change, it changes according to how someone interprets the policies ideals of the consensus to decide what is best. Religious systems of goverenment may be set or rely on the understanding and more importantly the morals of the interpreter, but then democracies also rely on the morals and interpretations of those rsponsibl for compatibility and change. Lets not slander the sharia, when we all know that democratic policy is many times misrepresenting and outdate requiring a change of government or new generation to grow up in order for change to occur, which even then is not neccessarily significant.

There is no perfect example of a democratic system, particularly not the ones that Blair and Bush seek to export to other countries they invade.

Re: British Muslims, faith and Sharia law

jamal — Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:07:19 -0000

I have difficulties with this article, and it started with the line; "Sharia Law is a rallying cry issued by traditional Muslims and Islamists". Why not just say Muslims?

If we are to take current examples of sharia law, it is not the law which causes the difficulties but those that implement it. Yes we know it has its seemingly odd little rules here and there, but so does the law systems of democratic states. Just as the laws and policies of democratic states are not implemented always efficiantly or correctly either. Do you agree?

In terms of a "liberal democracy where people of all faiths are given the choice of whether or not to follow religion", I do not think that one actually exists, not one ive lived in anyway. It is a fallacy to say that the Sharia system is oppressive/outdated, while the democratic system is not. We only have to look at the level of oppression, inequality, racism, prejudice and misrepresentation in democracies to evidence this. Yes the same factors occur within the sharia system, therefore we should also be pointing the finger at democracy, of which there is no perfect example either.

A man called Thomas Hobbes was one of the initial forefathers of the democratic state, penning an ideal where power is given to the state by all so that life is protected and improved for all. However, we find that whether democratic or islamic ideals are used, it is the governments/leaders that cannot be relied on, or trusted. Nevertheless, as mans ideals constantly change, we must not forget that the democratic system provides a permit for much perversity and oppression.

Yes we that live in such a system should put up, but not neccessarily shut up. Yes we should "not be forcing others to live by our moral code", but there is nothing wrong with believing and promoting it to be a better system in theory, and maybe better in practice if the current governments of muslim countries are replaced.

Re: Crazy Conservative Women

jamal — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:08:05 -0000

My girlfriend is a prime candidate for this, which is why im not telling her!

Re: A weekly round-up of blog chatter

jamal — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:26:38 -0000

giant Mosque planned to facilitate the "Muslim Quarter" at 2012 Olympics

Re: Fight the BK ice cream ban

jamal — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:13:26 -0000

going by your website I aint surprised you think incidents like this have no impact. Keep living in the bubble mate, must be nice in there."

Please tell me Al-Hack, what is the "impact"?

Re: Fight the BK ice cream ban

jamal — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:50:47 -0000

Did you just make up that 11/3 term for madrid to go alongside 9/11 and 7/7?

Re: Fight the BK ice cream ban

jamal — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:33:55 -0000

"BK should not be changing the design just because one fool with too much time on his hands decided that it was his “personal Jihad”. That will only open the door to more such sillyness which makes it worse for ordinary Muslims who, unlike you, don’t get uptight over everything."

Al Hack (and all others with a similar view)

Yes someone complained

Yes BK changed the logo.

Muslims or not, I rate the person for having a personal gripe, pursuing it, and getting an organisation as big as BK to change a logo.

Personally I think too much time and effort is being given to this issue. Whether BK changed its logo because they thought this man was right, did not want to offend muslims or just did not want to have an "islamic" ice-cream, it really makes no difference to the majority of people, and definatly doesnt make things "worse" for muslims.

Re: Fight the BK ice cream ban

jamal — Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:42:17 -0000

"..Instead of campaigning about something serious, or even an issue worthwhile..."

Isnt it a bit hypocritical to complain/campaign about those wanting to get rid of the design whilst whinging to keep the design!

..not that im surprised at this coming from al-<strike>hack</strike> crap

Re: Imperial imposes empirical dresscode

jamal — Mon, 28 Nov 2005 05:08:48 -0000

Found two interesting articles regarding this issue, with pangs of similarities to this "security measure"!

article 1, article 2

Re: Imperial imposes empirical dresscode

jamal — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:48:58 -0000

lol @ "chav scum"

whats wrong with moschino?

On the topic though (sunny's point). Yes niqab may be different from hijab, but its still not a reason to ban it as a security measure. I wonder how many veiled women have been involved in security threats at the uni, or terrorist/intruders posing as veiled women? If the answer is zero, then why use a measure that infringes religious rights, when employing more security personell would surely do the job. It all sounds silly to me, even hoodies dont always cover the face, or cause a person to be unrecognisable.

Re: Imperial imposes empirical dresscode

jamal — Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:43:18 -0000

This is disgusting. On one hand I accept the security measures. But on the other, it infringes the rights of people. Its been done in europe with hijabs and in bluewater with hoodies. If securities such a problem then why not increase security techniques and stop putting the emphasis on innocent people.

Furthermore, hoodies can be taken done whereas veils cannot. I wonder how many security or terrorist theats have taken place in the uni by veiled women?

Re: Coming to terms with AIDS in South Asia

jamal — Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:00:34 -0000

On a side note i read this about 15,000 cases of hepititis in baghdad being spread by infested water supplies. Iassume this can (is) happen(ing) elsewhere and can therefore lead to increased cases of hepititis which can be spread sexually too, which can add to the aids problem in ters of std problems.

Re: Coming to terms with AIDS in South Asia

jamal — Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:52:32 -0000

The blame and suspician of various groups at the beginning of comments surprises me. such fingerpointing in the past allowed the aids to spread as everybody thought it was somebody elses disease. Aids is now so widespread its presently irrelavant where it started or by whom. It has now touched every race, culture and nation on earth. The risk now affect us all and those we love!

Re: Guilty of racist murder

jamal — Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:47:49 -0000

These idiots got their just desserts. Lets hope the axe killers of the black boy get the same. For once its good to see that the range of murders are being publicised.

Re: Hearing only what you want to hear

jamal — Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:57:35 -0000

The fact such a story is not really a newsflash does not surprise me. What surprise me is that Blair is being regarded as some sort of hero for talking him out of it. The same blair who has supported him in this war from day one. There is some agenda to this story, im not sure what it is yet!

Re: Naughty naughty!

jamal — Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:02:04 -0000

I knew what chi chi man and punani meant, there have actually been songs written about both, but I didnt know twat meant that. I suppose its got a double meaning, like "pussy" for instance, which has a triple meaning! ... I reckon ive got you'll thinking now?

Re: The Guardian (and me) on British Muslims after 7/7

jamal — Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:06:28 -0000

yeah, how did you sneak in?

But i do agree, such event have a tendancy to not be representative of the actually people it is supposed too. How did they advertise for this?

Re: Calling British Asian bloggers

jamal — Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:13:43 -0000

This is a good idea. Im sure there are lots more out there. If I come across any others I'll post them.

Re: Who said we had no talent?

jamal — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:48:12 -0000

Congrats and well done ;-)

Your outfit suggests you was indecisive on the suit jacket, but wore it anyway, or borrowed it at the last minute!

Re: The oppression of the Brown man

jamal — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:11:28 -0000

lol. I can only laugh at this. Though i estimate that many of my neighbours (and possibly some relatives) are stocking up on countless bags as we speak to increase their chances of winning. If I didnt thow away those green gazelles a few years ago that would have matched, I might have applied too!

Re: Paris riots: ‘justifiable’ means to an end?

jamal — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:15:30 -0000

^^ the box says leave a comment", not an essay.

Re: Paris riots: ‘justifiable’ means to an end?

jamal — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:52:14 -0000

"The only way that Blacks in America, Asians in the UK, Arabs in France etc can expect equal rights is by engaging themselves politically and getting themselves organised to get their voices heard. Over the long term that is."

Agreed, we need a voice and a voice that is heard. Maybe PP will be one rung on the ladder?

However, I still have some reservations when it comes to politics. In my opinion we are not significantly heard and may never be. In my opinion, the system of democracy is not democratic in its entirity and this is where the problems lie. Then there is the inequality within the positions of power within this democratic system, and also the disagreement between those (us) that vote within this system.

We need more racial/religious/age equality within positions of power and relevant institutions, and an increase in common bonds between the masses. Organisation is the key. However, all I seem to see is the divide and rule strategy working to restrict the majority. What i wonder is whether this system can be changed for the better, or whether a new format is required? Then theres the fear that making such suggestions may caused me to be just brushed aside with the label of revolutionary, jihadist.. blah, blah, blah!

Whatever is the way forward, more positive role models and 'people that can' are needed to make sure we dont follow in the footsteps of france and usa.

Re: Paris riots: ‘justifiable’ means to an end?

jamal — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:03:01 -0000

I disagree with this arguement, and this is why.

The riots in america have caused some impact, but the fact remains that 40 years later, the black man in america is still oppressed by both the state and himself. The level of crime, underachievement and drug abuse in black communities is significantly high. The only difference now is that the black man inside the ghetto also creates, maintains and condones ghettoism. Therefore, to me this suggests that rioting 40 years ago did not liberate the black man in the long term. There has been no end to justify any means!

If we are to correlate USA and France, then we must assume that the impact of these riots could cause the french ghettos in to be like USA's in 40 years time. This is no achievement in any significant terms.

In terms of the french riots themselves i have recently spoken to friends in paris who say that what i have heard in the UK is grossly exaggerated. Their opinion was that france was not burning and that areas of conflict were in fact isolated. Much of the rioting in paris which was actually round the corner from where they lived, was committed by lawless young youths, of which the majority were more interested in causing a bit of havoc rather then fighting a cause.

Re: Me vs Hizb-ut Tahrir, live on TV!

jamal — Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:53:10 -0000

Thats disapointing. I was looking forward to watching a good debate.

Re: Me vs Hizb-ut Tahrir, live on TV!

jamal — Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:25:19 -0000

I hope somebodies going to record it and post it online?

Re: Govt loses Commons vote on 90 days terror detention

jamal — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:31:33 -0000

The bid failed as Blair wanted it, but he’s still managed to double the time suspects can be held without charge from 14 to 28 days. Even though its been billed as a defeat, I’ve got a feeling Blairs actually happy with this, as he’s still managed to extend the period and further infringe our Human Rights.

Re: Muslim pick-up lines

jamal — Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:33:23 -0000

As long as these jokes dont slander and mock the religion its ok. whether "some" Muslims are ok with it is irrelevant. If "some" Muslims have said its offensive you should delete it. Particularly since you have a policy about this, or does it only refer to non-muslims (cough.. Islamaphobia). Some blacks and asians like being called nigger and paki, doesnt mean we should call it to all, not without fear of arrest anyway!

This is offensive to Muslims and islam. It may be a "joke" but Islam does not tell us to make jokes about our religion, which actually tells us not to mix with those that riducule Islam. So all you Muslims here saying its ok.... youre wrong.

6:68. When thou seest men engaged in vain discourse about Our signs, turn away from them unless they turn to a different theme. If Satan ever makes thee forget, then after recollection, sit not thou in the company of those who do wrong.

9:65-66. If thou dost question them, they declare (with emphasis): "We were only talking idly and in play." Say: "Was it at Allah, and His Signs, and His Messenger, that ye were mocking?" Make ye no excuses: ye have rejected Faith after ye had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for that they are in sin.

31:6. But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.

Re: Muslim pick-up lines

jamal — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:54:34 -0000

Rohin. Each to their own, but to be honest, I dont make fun out of my own religion or the religion of others. I just dont think its right. Thats not to say I wont state any dislikes, disagreements or lack of understanding of other religions, in relevant settings. But making fun is just plain wrong. The way I see it, religion and race are not really things to joke about. But then I dont have a sense of humour!

Ive actually seen this before too, on maniac muslims site, and even there I wasnt sure whether to laugh or cry.

Re: Muslim pick-up lines

jamal — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:30:59 -0000

..these are not funny. How many muslims here think they are?

Re: Muslims march against Al-Qaeda

jamal — Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:38:40 -0000

Im not surprised at this due to the amount of innocent people in that get killed by Al Qaeda.

BTW, that site by 'The English Guy' is quite prejudiced, as is he!

Re: Is Kashmir becoming Musharraf’s Katrina?

jamal — Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:33:46 -0000

This was terrible, I aw it on the news. Just another case of so near but yet so far. In the meantime, people suffer. I was surprised that with the amount of media attention and media reportors at the scene, that more government officials were not around, other than police... and we all know what they an be like!

Re: Paris riots spread across France – who is to blame?

jamal — Sun, 06 Nov 2005 10:15:28 -0000

Bijna's link = propaganda!

The common-denominator here is NOT Islam or being Muslim, but instead economic misery, racial discrimination and provocative policing. The riots in the Paris suburbs highlights the many problems plaguing Paris, that are also prevalent in Denmark, Britain, USA and elsewhere in the rapidly changing world. Even Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy now accepts that the problems are structural. I read a good article recently that acknowledge these points and ended; "I don’t believe Muslim extremism is the cause of the Paris riots, it may very well may end up being its beneficiary."

Re: Ashamed and disgusted

jamal — Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:35:08 -0000

"True morality consists not in following the beaten track, but in finding out the true path for ourselves and fearlessly following it." -- (Gandhi)

The problem is that many do not want to find it and remain content with the beaten track. In this case it was alcohol fuelled stupidity. The reality is that in any one night, this and much worse happens in London many times over.

Ed, i dont mean to be patronising, but if your able to slip him a fiver and a cigar, then im also not surprised that you were shocked and confused by this incident.

I recently remember hearing a women in london who had her bag stolen saying "why would they do such a thing?" I, along with everybody else thought it was pretty obvious!

Re: Divide and Conquer

jamal — Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:44:13 -0000

litle nicky shabbaz

Firstly, LOL @ Summise. I hope you read what The Don said.

Secondly, YES you can answer those questions yourself.

Re: Divide and Conquer

jamal — Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:00:44 -0000

Malik

These points that you have formed into questions, im sure you are able to answer yourself with a little research!

The only point worth referring to is number 4. Such "logic" should have initially been followed initially, rather than the "idiocy" that promoted an unsubstantiated "rape" and wrongly called for a boycott! ...do you agree?

Re: Divide and Conquer

jamal — Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:35:04 -0000

On one hand it could be the work of white racists going under the name of "Black Nation". But on the other hand it could also be blacks in the area that are smashing the graves. Nevertheless, as we dont want random white dudes to be attacked as a result, the best option would be to assign no blame until further notice.

To be honest ive heard black people and groups use much more stupidier and simplistic sounding names than "Black Nation".

I wouldnt even bother referring to the opinions of Ligali. Lets not forget that the black community in Brum recently was spured on by its own members and groups to recently riot and destroy its own streets aswell as community relations based solely on a highly fallible report. Im am sure there is at least a few idiots in this group that would resort to smashing graves too. Lets not pussyfoot about by taking the easy way out and blaming it on the white supremists!

The most relevant point to remember is that regardless of who comitted the act, the main thing is not to retaliate. I
n the end i wouldnt be surprised if it turned out to be a very small group of drunken glue sniffing teenagers that committed the act for kicks!

Re: Birmingham keeps simmering

jamal — Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:22:18 -0000

I hope action is taken against both the radio station and ligali.

Re: Hindu painting on Royal Mail stamp shocker!

jamal — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:13:05 -0000

I reckon they have a right to complain if they feel offended. however, I dont see the problem. Ive even heard stories that Jesus went to India. I would assume that if this was the case then he would have been accepted (but not followed) as a prophet of god, particularly by hindus who can be quite diverse and accepting in this respect.

If the stamp was instead depicting pictures of hindu's jesus and madonna the singer, then i could see the problem!

Re: Israel exists and will exist. Get. Over. It.

jamal — Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:37:22 -0000

"do you want the best for Palestinians or is it about pride? Because the way I see it, Israel isn’t going anywhere, and to constantly hanker for its destruction is just like a silly rallying cry designed to keep Muslims thinking about something else."

Heres 3 snippets from todays news alone, which is reason enough for the "rallying cry" to continue.

Israeli soldiers shoot Palestinian boy, 13
Palestinians hit by sonic boom air raids
racism at Hebrew University sports center

I could probably list similar event from the news for nearly every day, therefore causing you to accept that constantly worrying about certain issues is essential. This is the world in which we live and i for one am concerned about many issue including this one. I agree that many will support this famous one but ignore those in dafour, chechnya and ethiopia, but not me. I also know many that dont support and arab governments and are disgusted with the level of support for places such as dafour and Israel, as if it was substantial as it could be then we would have nothing further to worry about. In the meantime it would be a mistake to say that as the Palestiniens and sudanesse are practically helpless, they should "get over it" and accept their fate! This is what Israel wants, as does their supporters.

Re: Israel exists and will exist. Get. Over. It.

jamal — Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:20:38 -0000

1) Israel is not going to be dissolved without significant killings on both sides, possibly a nuclear war.

Agreed

2) The Palestinians have largely accepted the existence of an Israeli state. I say that because they recently overwhelmingly voted for the PA rather than Hamas, and the latter does not accept the existence of Israel.

Agreed

On that basis - how will things ever change if you don’t accept the existence of Israel?

Based on previous examples from elsewhere, there is no real solution. There will always be some that are discontent and agrieved on both sides, therefore fueling some extent of hostility for many years to come. As Israel is the agressor, then to accept Israel is to accfept defeat. What Palestiniens are in fact accepting at present is the best decision in a bad situation where their choices are limited, their acceptance of Israel is far from the desired result. The question you ask is the question asked by many. However it should not be ignored that is over rides the history, oppression and inequality of both the conflict and peace process. As i have said, what Palestiniens are in fact accepting at present is the best decision in a bad situation where their choices are limited, their acceptance of Israel is far from the desired result.

Re: Israel exists and will exist. Get. Over. It.

jamal — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:02:15 -0000

Im sure similar things were said to the Aborigines and Arowak indians!

It should not be accepted unless the proper policies are put into place. Currently they are not and Palestine always draws the short straw in any agreements made.

Israeli's will not accept the termination of Israel, so why should Palestine accept the continued existence of Israel, particularly when the Palestiniens are the ones that are suffering over 50 years of oppression and and have been thrown out of the West Bank and other areas with no possibility of return?

Ive penned a little article on this myself under the title Islamic Jihad

Re: Speculation in the wake of a dark day for India

jamal — Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:36:52 -0000

Just an afterthought. Maybe the significance of the timing of the attack is that those against peace on both perceived the prospective earthquake relief agreement as a first step towards peace and therefore scuppered the plans?

Re: Speculation in the wake of a dark day for India

jamal — Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:31:29 -0000

This is very bad, so many pointless deaths.

Whats also bad is that it has just been agreed that the Kashmir border would be opended to aid earthquake victims and this bombing may now caused this agreement to be quashed.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/9E76D468...

Re: Birmingham riots update

jamal — Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:47:33 -0000

Furthermore, the likes of Ligali and the Voice should be widely highlighted as instigators which have in fact led to the further downfall of the black community in birmingham, due to their negative advice and influence.

Re: Birmingham riots update

jamal — Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:45:03 -0000

Instead of perpetuating the problems and lies, the Voice should be highlighting that the reaction was the wrong one, particularly in light of the fact that the "rape" was unsubstantiated and later found to be unproven.

This perspective must be accepted in order to avoid similar occurances in the future.

Though its not all the fault of the blacks involved. The Asians involved in the violence should have stayed at home rather then line the streets taunting the blacks. But then I suppose it was neccessary to defend their shops. Nevertheless, if the police had acted sooner then this "neccissity" may have been overridden.

Re: Hear the one about the Archbishop, the Muslim and the religious hatred bill?

jamal — Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:14:40 -0000

The situation in Eqypt is entrenched wih political ramification and was fuelled by an offensive play that was re-released on DVD.

Nevertheless, you cant use a situation in the Egypt to argue this inherently british issue. Generally in the UK people like to use examples from other places in the world which are very different, to slander muslims. However, if a muslim is to use a middle eastern issue to support his point it is regarded as irrelavant to living in british society.

Either way, I think such a bill is too restrictive on freedom of speech and expression, as are the recent terror laws.

Re: Hear the one about the Archbishop, the Muslim and the religious hatred bill?

jamal — Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:03:25 -0000

^^ and here is the debate. I was watching a prgramme recently where the point being made was that people could for example quote a muslim reading from the Qur'an regarding jews, christians or idol worshippers and construe this to be an incident of religious hatred. I assume similar incidents could be construed by people hearing those of other religions refer to them by way of the text also.

Due to this it was considered worrying that people were at risk of transgressing these new laws just be reading their religious texts or scholars and Imams recording religious litriture onto audio or video format.

Therefore these laws are currently quite vague and open to interpretation, which puts the ordinary believer at risk of prosecution, while at the same time infringing their human right regarding freedom of speech and religious expression.

Re: Hear the one about the Archbishop, the Muslim and the religious hatred bill?

jamal — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:39:29 -0000

I'm undecided on these religious laws at the moment. In fact I try not to take any notice as any articles and reports on the issues either includes or is followed with one centering on Muslims, and these iuninterest me.

However, these laws have to avoid infringing freedom of expression as if they do not then they are in fact infringing the religion itself. Religions are different and they always will be. In a non-religious state, people should be able to speak their mind whether their words are for or againsts prevailing religions. If this right is restricted then too many people will be walking around thinking it but not saying it, just waiting to explode and let it all out. Whether muslims, christian or jedi, let them say what theyve got to say, particularly if it is what their religion states.

On a side note, Sardar's been reading Pickled Politics!

Re: Blacks angry over Asian rape claim in B’ham

jamal — Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:19:35 -0000

So, 256 comments, a number of arrests, a semi-riot, a dead man....

...AND STILL NO PROOF OF WHETHER THIS GIRL WAS ACTUALLY GANG RAPED BY 14 ASIANS!

EVEN IF SHE WAS GANG RAPED BY 1400 ASIANS INSTEAD OF THE SUPOSED 14, WOULD ALL OF THIS CONFLICT AND RACIST STUPIDITY HAVE MADE ANY DIFFERENCE?

BLACKS HAVE NOW LIVED UP TO THEIR STEREOTYPE OF BEINNG ARROGANT, BRAINLESS IDIOTS, LIGALI HAS INCREASED THEIR PROILE, AND THE BNP WILL GET MORE VOTES AT NEXT YEARS ELECTION!

WELL DONE.

Re: Blacks angry over Asian rape claim in B’ham

jamal — Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:12:49 -0000

So, 256 comments, a number of arrests, a semi-riot, a dead man....

Re: Blacks angry over Asian rape claim in B’ham

jamal — Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:25:28 -0000

Still no substantiated facts and the debate continues!

I laugh at those that have made this a race issue, or consider it one, (cough) Ligali. Calling for a boycott has perpetuated the race issue, and true to form as we've also recently seen in Toledo, black people losing the ability of patience and rationality.

Anyway, you boycott Asian shops. You'll all change your minds when its time to cook sunday dinner!

Re: Blacks angry over Asian rape claim in B’ham

jamal — Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:51:13 -0000

I see things are hotting up here. To be honest, the majority of what I read here is childish bickering, which is a prime example of black / Asian relations in some areas.

Ive yet seen no confirmation of actual "gang rape", nevertheless the discussion and "action" rages. I have found this thread has been linked to by various forums which is why the debate ensure.

Lets not forget that rapes are committed and against various races by various races, furthermore, young girls do not always tell the truth.

Maybe until the facts are substantiated, some people should hold their horses!

Re: Blacks angry over Asian rape claim in B’ham

jamal — Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:30:56 -0000

Story sounds a bit dodgy. Nevertheless, both groups have their fair share of crime and victim statistics. I dont see where these comparisons are getting us!

Re: Kashmir relief starts winding down, aid still needed

jamal — Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:14:09 -0000

More definatly needs to be done. Earlier, I came across a post on a site I read which rightfully said;

“….an American disaster is 40 times more valuable and worthy of mass attention and concern than a non-western one”…. …”40 times more valuable because as the death toll is fast approaching 40 times more than Katrina, the mainstream (core), mainstream (periphery) and periphery media have yet to exhibit that level of observable and quantifiable ‘care’ and ‘compassion’ witnessed in the aforementioned.”

Re: Quick web round up

jamal — Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:50:12 -0000

On the Isreal/Palestine issue, i'd just like to point out that media coverage does tend to be quite biased. I agree there are many nutters in Palestine, but we never hear about the ones from Israel. I think i've only ever heard of TWO. The one who opened fire in the Gaza mosque and the one who open fired on the bus.

Re: Google-bombing President Musharraf

jamal — Mon, 03 Oct 2005 19:04:43 -0000

oh yeah. i knew that!

Re: Google-bombing President Musharraf

jamal — Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:44:21 -0000

lol..

This does actually work. know if you type "failure" into google, a biography of GW Bush is number 1.

Strangly though I have today just found out that typing "Hizbul Tahir" into google brings up my site as number 1.

I may as well just hand myself into the police station now!

Re: Problems for Pakistani women on the pitch

jamal — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:35:14 -0000

I'd say this puts a new spin of football hooliganism!

On a positive note, before the violence erupted, it showed that Muslim women can and do play sport whilst also adhering to their religion.

Re: Hero of the week

jamal — Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:28:47 -0000

This shows the reality of 'freedom of speech' under the labout govt.

It does not exist!

Re: A BNP march in my honour

jamal — Sun, 25 Sep 2005 20:09:30 -0000

LOL.

This actually shows how shallow they are. You gave fair views on a subject that should be commented on, regardless of the consequences. Im not surprised the BNP have taken it out of context, I have spoken with them before and all they do is twist anything you say, and then rant on about total rubbish.

At the end of the day, you are not the one that recommends that all non-white people leave the UK, they are. Same as your not the one thats been arrested for race hate crimes, or mixes with those that have!

Re: The case of Pakistani men grooming young white girls – part 2

jamal — Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:27:08 -0000

I remember watching the programme on this. the reality is that it does happen. Though it should be noted that there are perpertrators of many races comiting such offences and participating in this behaviour, as there are girls from many races too. But yes, they should be dealt with accordingly. Rhough we should also be asking why these girls are so easily influenced. maybe it is the case that parenting in the more northernly parts of the country is not so good!

Re: Is the UK becoming another New Orleans?

jamal — Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:36:28 -0000

I agree with Trevor Phillips on this, partcularly in London. it has been a trend for a long time now that in areas where blacks and asians move in, the whites move out.

Many communities are now segregated, and personally i think there is an underclass prevalent in many. Lack of opporunities, bad housing, unemployment, crime and drug use are characteristics which have taken hold in many of these areas. The government seem to then leave these areas alone to continue going downhill.

There are white ghettos also, but there is a disproportionate number of blacks and asians in ghettos in comparison to whites.

Re: Musharraf in hot water over ‘rape’ statement

jamal — Sat, 17 Sep 2005 14:26:25 -0000

The guy's an idiot. What a dumb comment to make.

The disappointing thing is that apart from this, he actually made some good points in his interview with the Washington Post, but they are all overshadowed by the rape comments. What a fool.

Re: ‘Allah’ ice cream banned by Burger King

jamal — Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:18:00 -0000

I dont think that we always have to wait for many muslims or scholars to condone or condemn. We should not only congratulate those that will lead by examplee or folowing pressure, but those that avoid insulting others, as BK have done.

Is it not a good thing that this restuarant does not want to offend its muslim customers, workers, or the public in general.

To change this logo would have been good for the people it may affect, and for the PR of the company.

It has happened, it is done. This disagreement here now between muslims and non-muslims regarding this, is very representative of why the asian community does not get on as a collective.

Re: An irrational fear of all things Muslim?

jamal — Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:08:24 -0000

To be honest, I wrote about this on my own blog and received some dodgy comments. Other sites linked to it to further provide very negative comments. All the 2oppressed women/stoning" arguements were there.

What is apparant to me is that many non-muslims get scared when they hear the word Shariah. Instantly they conjure up the most negative images in their minds, and what could possibly be in store for them. They do have some level of justification due to the corrupted versions of Shariah throughout the world, but Its a joke to always refer to ONLY the negative, or to compare to a delusional image of a "great" western democracy, which has its faults too.

I was listening to an Islamic talk today which had some interesting arguements on this issue. One i care to mention is that it apears that some non-muslims are want to have "fun" and pick and choose their morals and values based on what is "fun" to them. Islam is not a pick and choose religion and therefore they would not be able to do this with and shariah system and therefore do not like the shariah. To implement the shariah would be to spoil their state condoned "fun" of pubs, clubs and homosexuality, and to them these pursuits are better than piety.

Re: On Ayaan Hirsi Ali, women and Islam

jamal — Fri, 19 May 2006 23:59:52 -0000

Personally i agree with the article and think Ayaan Hirsi Ali should not be given fame for leaving Islam, which is in fact her main claim to fame. She left, good for her, but she should stop trying to convert others to become non-muslims, just as she would argue non-muslims should not be converted to become muslims.

If muslim women are happy as they are then who is Ayaan Hirsi Ali to try to efectively condemn their position and what they consider to be of value. As she focuses on distorted interpretations, innovations and stereotypes of Islam, this is far from support. If she really wanted to support muslim women, she would use her position to promote true Islam in its correct context. The quran is in fact a promoter and protector of women. There may be a limited number of verses interpretable as unequal to women, but then in any society there are differences between the sexex which do not neccessarily denote inequality in the negative sense.

Re: Yusuf Islam and his return to music

jamal — Sat, 20 May 2006 00:04:31 -0000

Its a good return. He is in the position to do good with his music, as he has done already with his status.

Re: Weekend open thread

jamal — Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:30:16 -0000

This is a good article I found today.

If anyone read the recent transcript of Wafa Sultans interview, this article refutes the majority of her speech, point for point.

Wafa Sultan’s Lies Refuted

Re: Why I love “fake sheikh” Mazher Mahmood

jamal — Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:18:56 -0000

I think it will be some unknown. Best case scenario would be if it had turned out to be sacha baron cohen!

Re: Bush lied ‘for political gain’ shocker!

jamal — Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:23:46 -0000

Ive thought this also. The sell each other out so quickly its unbelivable. What surprises me more is that since they are aware their coleagues are like this, why confide in them in the first place?

Re: Muslim community representatives

jamal — Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:30:47 -0000

Osama was right in arguing that being part of a community cannot be argued to 'rob people of any sense of decency'. Just as their is bad in every community,there is good also. I have never heard of people condemning any other religious based communities.

Re: Something for mothers day

jamal — Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:14:12 -0000

lol. I like this adopt a mother thing. This is actually the type of thing they should be advertising in Tescos.

Re: Confronting difficult issues

jamal — Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:32:26 -0000

Jackie Brown, your view is an example of a pathetic "PC" arguement that fails to address or answer any prevelant issues.

Lets not forget the stats, "BLACK BOYS" are at the bottom end of the table. Therefore use of "BLACK" came long before my comment so maybe you should address your "PC" comment to those that consider "BLACK" "PC".

The countries I visit, there are people of variations of brown (mostly), white and black and most refer to themselves by their religion, nationality or culture, rather then colour.

Ethiopians, Nigerians, Jamaicans etc. are all ‘black’ but have different cultures- influenced by history/religion/education/class/ etc.

The sillyness in the rest of your comment would be evidence if we were to change a few words. Imagine a Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc. saying they are all ‘yellow’ but have different cultures- influenced by history/religion/education/class/ etc. They would not, and would instead refer to their nationality, religion, culture, etc, from the outset. Would you say it is "a fear of being seen as being" 'yellow'.

Contrary to your opinion, the Qur'an does not focus on colour.

Re: Confronting difficult issues

jamal — Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:00:38 -0000

"cultural and sociological issues than racial ones. Race campaigners run from this debate at their own peril because the inequalities then don’t get ironed out."

This point is so true. However, I do not thinkthey run from these issue but moreso avoid it by focusing on the more political correct tone such as combatting raciism and promoting equality. Many feel they must "walk on egg shells" aroung certain issues and therefore avoid making bold statements that may be considered racist. It is well known that when many blacks move into an area or school, it goes downhill. This is not just influenced by any unequal position they may have, but also due to the social and cultural attributes that encompass many negative characteristics and practices. Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Somalian and Sri Lankan boys are now becoming the new blacks. It is no coincidence that they have adopted much of the black attitude and culture. It is only when these issues are boldly addressed, that the efforts put into the enhancing their economic position will significantly take effect.

Re: Muslim leaders warn of abuse in madrassas

jamal — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:22:28 -0000

If this is happening, then the children definatly need protecting and the schools need regulating.

Re: Shabina Begum loses jilbaab case

jamal — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:27:52 -0000

I assume she will now take the case to the European court of human rights.

BTW, CH4 is crap, look what happened to brookside! Furthermore, 'Prison Break' , 'Charmed' and 'everybody hates chris' is on Ch5.

Re: Not supportive of Shabina Begum

jamal — Sun, 19 Mar 2006 20:03:37 -0000

Im actually undicided on this.

On one hand I think that if uniform is the rule, then it can easilly be adapted to incorporate religious requirements. On the other hand, since we respect religious freedom in the UK, people should have the right to dress in accordance to what is applicable to them.

Either way, if she wins her case, it will be a minority of people that will dress accordingly based upon the ruling.

Re: What price are we paying for freedom?

jamal — Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:54:04 -0000

Bikhair, to be honest im not sure where you are coming but you have surely spoken without understanding.

The way i see it, we live where we live and must make the most of it. However, the government has eroded our rights and that is a fact. Therefore to speak about it is not to "belie the government", as speaking about it is my right. In fact my local MP would gladly listen to my complaints. do you think that because i am a muslim i should not make this point? you refer to saudi rulers when they innovate many things into islam, some which may even be considered against islam. it is one thing to accept a governments ruling that we do not like, but something totally different to accept what is inherrently wrong.

Re: What price are we paying for freedom?

jamal — Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:01:53 -0000

To be honest, the price for freedom has already been paid.

I do not take to the perspective that CCTV, id cards etc, or any other "target", ensures our freedom, as they do not.

We are already free, therefore such actions by the government in actual fact restrict our freedoms. The law abiding citizen is now more restricted and monitored then ever before, while we are no more free then before. In fact I would argue we are less free as in this country with a rising rate of crime, disorder and threats to national security, rather then being protected we are instead advised on how to better lock ourselves in our houses with state of the art alarms and security systems, to drive with our doors locked, and to keep off the streets after dark where possible.

Therefore, we are far from free in our own country, we have already lost our freedom. Any further loss of civil liberties will just increase our lack of freedom and inability to say no. Furthermore, if you want to protest about it you will be arrested unless you have the correct permit to do so!

A long time ago it was considered that we give our rights to the government that protects us and in turn ensures our freedoms. We have now become a police state where the goverment rules in its own intrest, which is not neccessarily in our intrest also.

Re: Road to Guntanamo – opinions?

jamal — Sat, 11 Mar 2006 20:28:49 -0000

"I said I can not comment on if the gaurds were following orders or not."

My opinion is that this does not even matter. We dont excuse Nazi concentration camp guards because they was following the orders of hitler.

The rest of wht you say i agree with. Although im sure those detained dont consider it over.

Re: Road to Guntanamo – opinions?

jamal — Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:46:53 -0000

Yes, the thing is that the geneva convention should be applied but it doesnt. As we all know, america does its own thing when it comes to war and conflict.

Anyway, regardless of all the arguements that can be put forward, the fact is that these men have been held for many years without charge amidst terrible treatment.

They should either be charged and dealt with, or let go.

Re: Mail on Sunday exposed in bribing students to spy on Muslims

jamal — Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:36:49 -0000

"I think the 40% of british muslims that want sharia law introduced in the UK need outing as quickly as possible."

Approximatly 500 people took part in the poll, so your point is quite insignificant in the wider perspective. But then i suppose its a case of small points for small minds, eh Zen?

Re: Mail on Sunday exposed in bribing students to spy on Muslims

jamal — Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:32:58 -0000

Actually, they can pay me if they want.

The next time i meet up with some muslim students, I could report back to the Mail about our discussion of Quran and Sunnah.

For £100 a pop id give them the gory details about how we planned to pray, carried out the act of prayer, discussed how we would strike terror into a few halal chicken burgers, and topped it all off by agreeing that muslims are equal with all other human beings and that unity with others was paramount.

Re: Hindu group calls to burn down Kellogs

jamal — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 19:05:31 -0000

lol.. this is quite amusing. It is on the packet so there is no excuse.

Re: Police to make arrests over cartoons protest

jamal — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 19:14:16 -0000

It actually said s. of 4 POA, whatever that is.

I actually thought it was section 5, but then due to the content of some of the banners, there are other more serious offence that they could be arrested under.

Re: A politicised Oscar ceremony

jamal — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:09:04 -0000

Also, I have found on many issues that people consider discussion of the taboo subjects as an indication of sympathy and support. A deeper analysis usually uncovers that those passing this judgement do so out of their own subjective rationale. To consider the motivations of a palestinian suicide-bomers, UK soldier, or even a Nazi, does not mean we have sympathy or support for them or their acts.

Re: A politicised Oscar ceremony

jamal — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:03:33 -0000

I havent seen this film yet but I will buy the DVD now. If it provides a different perspective then Im all for it as Palestiniens may be murdering in the region, but then so are the Israelis too. As Clooney implies, the plight of those considered unpopular should also be recognised in the mainstream. Nevertheless, Im passing judgement until I watch the movie.

Re: Ken Livingstone suspended for no good reason

jamal — Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:53:57 -0000

"should we expect some weird new event soon?"
Sudan man forced to 'marry' goat

Re: Ken Livingstone suspended for no good reason

jamal — Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:25:22 -0000

Mirax, The fact is my dear is that it is your perception that is what has drawn you to this conclusion.

Re: Ken Livingstone suspended for no good reason

jamal — Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:56:54 -0000

just a correction, the beechams is still afecting my judgement. they dont think im sunny. that award goes to someone much more straight talking than I.

Mirax, why do you think i hate jews.

Re: Ken Livingstone suspended for no good reason

jamal — Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:47:39 -0000

Thanks for that Sunny. You are correct, I dont hate Jews or anyone else.

In this issue the double standard is apparant, Red Ken didnt even directly refer to or slander Jews but has been punished, previously we saw Irving imprisoned for holocaust denial. And all at a time when Muslims are being slandered right left and centre as freedom of speech.

Today I read at Harry Place that a man in germany got 300 hours community service for printing the word "Koran" on toilet paper and offering it to mosques. Although action was taken for this DIRECT assault of Islam and Muslims, the punishment and media coverage was weak and inconsistent in comparison.

Btw, they think Im you (sunny) at Harrys Place. lol I dont know why!

Re: Ken Livingstone suspended for no good reason

jamal — Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:50:32 -0000

I'm in total agreement with you. Red Ken's a fair chap and the comment was taken out of context. He shouldnt have been suspended, and i hope that when people are rallying for the right to free speech they remember that Red Ken has had his freedom of expression infringed also.

With the recent Irving case and now this, it seems that our right to free speech includes offending anybody except Jews.

Re: Who wants a war of civilisation?

jamal — Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:50:37 -0000

Jay Singh, I accept your point in part. The thing that needs to remembered is that whether people are "boxed-in" actually or delusionally, they defend by attacking and hide fear with hostility. This is what the essence of such an article tries to combat in the long term. One doesnt have to live under oppression to know this, just as one can live under tyranny but know about democracy. Therefore, to considered Farish Noor's credibility on this invalied is a mistake.

I agree that a muslim country and an islamic country are two different things. but based on experiance, i do think that if we are to consider the extent that islamic countries are islamic, then saudi arabia is by no means perfect.

Re: Who wants a war of civilisation?

jamal — Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:11:04 -0000

It does, im changing it, and ive been learning from this article too.

Re: Who wants a war of civilisation?

jamal — Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:54:36 -0000

Jay Singh

The article is basically saying that muslims should stop being selfish, alienating and selective, and start working and interacting with the rest of earths residents as a human race. Helping others means helping ourselves and vice-versa.

Personally I think it is a very positive messege. Particularly when many muslims only take note of muslim atrocities in the middle east, only help a muslim, etc. This is not the way of Islam and the article preaches this in its essence. I even gave a copy of it to the imam at the mosque near my work, who agreed that if more muslims actually thought in such a way and read the Quran which states similar in a language they understood then alot of the distortion occuring today would not fester so easily .

Jai Singh, I not trying to convince you of anything, just telling you how it is. We got to start somewhere and these types of thought inspiring views are a good place.

Re: Who wants a war of civilisation?

jamal — Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:08:29 -0000

Our problem is we have a growing number of people who think that they know Islam enough to decide to either act in accordance with their knowledge or criticise Islam in the same way.

This is true. But it is still a two way street.

Some will use such a view and innovate their own ideas which has proven to be a downfall for Islam and the progression of Muslims. Other will use it to avoid taking any action in helping themselves and others to assist Islam and the progression of Muslims.

A thoughtful peice I have read recently and actively promote is a Pre-Khutbah speech available at Brand New Malaysian, which concludes;

"Struggling for the Victory of Islam would entail an outright, unapologetic challenge to this global hegemon, though this struggle cannot and will not be secured unless and until Muslims learn to work with other communities. Here lies the truth that many of us have failed to realise or have not been able to admit: The Victory of Islam's universal values untimately depends on humanity as a whole, and not Muslims alone."

I consider it a must read for Muslims. In case that site goes down, it is also available at my blog.

Re: Good Night and Good Luck

jamal — Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:07:01 -0000

Touched a raw nerve eh! or maybe you are just over-reacting.

as i said, all the best.

Re: Good Night and Good Luck

jamal — Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:55:22 -0000

all the best.

i would say have fun, but i notice your map destination line veers in the direction of san francisco.

no surprises there!

Re: Debates on free speech and Muslim bodies

jamal — Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:09:58 -0000

I agree in part.

Because religion has lost its chime in the west does not mean that we all follow. There are 2 scenarios, but both are equal in their own way. However, it appears that when jews or the holocaust are offended that action is taken through safeguards which are already in place, or put in place as we see with Red Ken. To be of the opinion that denying/refering to the holocaust may cause a resurge of history is like saying to mention civil rights or saddam houssein will cause a resurge of their respective conflicts. I dont buy it, though I accept what offends the sentiments of Jews and am all for their protection. It is just that I want some protection too for when I am offended in a similar way. Islamophobia and racism is also a problem in europe and the cartoons perpetuated this. First it was tackled correctly by lead muslims from 9/2005 onwards until the end of jan/06 when the wrong people got involved and it negatively escalated. This is where my main gripe occurs as the papers were then able to republish the pictures regardless of countless muslims making it clear that they were offended.

Nevertheless, I agree that the muslims were stupid in the way they reacted which was no different to the blacks in birmingham recently and the immigrants in france, rather then condemning the jews they could actually take a leaf out of the jews book in learning how to effectively take action.

Re: Debates on free speech and Muslim bodies

jamal — Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:04:37 -0000

Ian,

The difference with shouting fire is that everybody is at risk of being injured in a stampede, in comparison to Jews feeling offended. It is a silly comparison.

You may "hate nazi's more then anyone else" but i have them just as much as i hate all bad people. Therefore im not going to only avoid offending jewish sentiments which is what occurs in europe in contrast to the slander muslims receive.

And now furthermore you can lose the implication that only muslims worry about cartoons as the catholics are the current set of cartoon protestors.

Re: Debates on free speech and Muslim bodies

jamal — Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:03:28 -0000

Sunny,

The Iranian presidents comments on wiping Israel off the map is a seperate issue.

This is not about people "poking their nose in".

European countries including Austria advocated freedom of speech arguements in publishing and republishing the cartoons that offended, slandered and stereotyped Muslims. In a clear act of hypocrisy, Austria now ignores freedom of speech because Irving denied the holocaust.

So with reference to your radio discussion, why is it that offending muslims is freedom of speech in Europe but offending Jews is not?

I have posted an article about it at BLOGCRITICS

Re: Debates on free speech and Muslim bodies

jamal — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:54:43 -0000

steve, to try to prosecute a middle east president in by filing a case in a german court does transcend international boundaries in its intention.

You are correct in that this wont cut it.

Re: Reformist Muslims announce Mohammed cartoon contest

jamal — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:14:58 -0000

‘Say Bismillah and swallow it”

Sid, this is not possible, not to me anyhow.

There is a hadith that says something along the lines of; "the kafirs will not be contented until you give up your religion and become like them".

I seek not to make such people happy.

Re: Reformist Muslims announce Mohammed cartoon contest

jamal — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:38:10 -0000

Well I wont be joining in. This "reformist mmuslims" website (whatever that is) is merely trying to increase its hits.

A quick read of their rationale and reasons of why their competition previosly FAILED, shows they have a poor understanding of Islam.

Re: You’re Muslim, you must be a terrorist then

jamal — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:07:03 -0000

The title of this article says it all.

After Santa and the Easter Bunny, it is one of the biggest misconceptions widely believed today.

Re: Denial ain’t an African river girlfriend!

jamal — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:51:02 -0000

slight mix up of comments there. Im currently suffering from bird flu so everythings a bit blurry after overdosing on beechams. You get my drift tho, it was just an observation, no need to get defensive. After reading the likes of boudrillard and Bourdieu, 'Popular culture' has to be put in inverted comments, but thats another topic.

Re: Denial ain’t an African river girlfriend!

jamal — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:32:05 -0000

"are you a homophobic bigot"

Rohin, no I am not.

Im aware of "pop culture", are you aware of slang?

Re: Denial ain’t an African river girlfriend!

jamal — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:26:04 -0000

"Denial ain’t an African river girlfriend!"

Rohin, are you gay?

Re: Denial ain’t an African river girlfriend!

jamal — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:53:10 -0000

So Austria had no problem with the recent cartoons being published in their papers, but jail a man for denying the holocaust.

This just doesnt sound right.

Re: Could Pickled Politics be forced to shut down?

jamal — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:46:20 -0000

Its not just suicide bombings. If somebody argues that Iraqi/afghan retaliation against western troops is acceptable, Ira, Eta, etc. Theres so many terrorist organisations worldwide that it is very easy to talk for a cause in a way which could be construed as glorifying terrorism. Even repeating the comments of others could be construed to mean this.

I think that because so many causes, particularly islamic related ones are related to current conflicts that cause concerns in the UK, sites such as PP will be watched and examples may be made if comments/articles are not regulated.

Re: The terrorism law for British Muslims

jamal — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 05:13:48 -0000

This law is flawed.

Will this mean that we can lawfully express support for slaughter and torture by UK troops in Iraq, but not by Iraqi’s? That we can express support for Israeli slaughter and abuse in Palestine, but not by Palestiniens? etc, etc…

...and what about the terrorist murals in belfast.. will arrests be made for those?

Re: Pics from yesterday’s Islamophobia rally

jamal — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:08:40 -0000

lol@sunny.

more then anything, I value my salary!

Re: Pics from yesterday’s Islamophobia rally

jamal — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:51:54 -0000

Nice.

I regret not going.

Based on last time, I didnt want to risk getting my face in the newspaper if things got out of hand.

Re: Pics from yesterday’s Islamophobia rally

jamal — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:36:22 -0000

SP, good work there. I just checked through all the pics. Very nice.

Re: Pics from yesterday’s Islamophobia rally

jamal — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:22:33 -0000

Jim,stop with this "moderates" rubbish. We are muslims.

But yeah, it was good to see this good natured protest without the transgression of bounds we saw last time.

Nice pics too.

Re: Another Iraq abuse video unearths

jamal — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:25:17 -0000

I read about this yesterday. Its disgusting the way the army employs such people whilst claiming to be so upstanding.

On the bit about criminal gangs, I heard that alot of kids are being encouraged and forced into prostitution also.

Re: Time for another riot?

jamal — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:43:02 -0000

I am in shock.

No racist comments..

No freedom of speech arguements...

Its surprising how things stay calm when Islam is not the focus of attention.

I reckon if it was this same article with an Islamic figure on the cards, this thread would be red hot with uninformed comments.

Nevertheless, i will send an email too!

Re: The silent deaths

jamal — Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:22:37 -0000

This is a terrible crime, it should have been reported nationwide. This IS news.

That World Weary Detective's sites pretty interesting.

Re: Go somewhere else!

jamal — Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:34:21 -0000

Any attack on Islam is deemed acceptable or ignored, but when it is focused at judaism there is outrage.

I remember when Ken Livingstone compared a reporter to a concentration camp guard there was outrage resulting in him nearly losing his job. In comparison, over the past 5 years politicians haqve constantly negatively referred to Islam without redress.

Then theres the cartoons that were ignored since september 2005, despite a slow burning campaign. If it was against jews an apology would have been issued following the first round of complaints.

However the links between Xenophobia, Anti Semitism AND Islamophobia are now being made, recently focused on by the OIC.

Re: Jyllands-Posten goes after Jews

jamal — Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:22:39 -0000

That sandmonkey article is a bit misrepresenting.

It refers to them being published in egypt in October 2005, but the original publishing of them in Denmark on 30 September 2005 by Jyllands-Posten pre-dates this.

There was requests that they be removed and an apology given since this time.

Re: Jyllands-Posten goes after Jews

jamal — Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:25:22 -0000

Seems like only Islam is a target for Jyllands-Posten.

Editor-in-Chief Carsten Juste said his newspaper Jyllands-Posten "in no circumstances will publish Holocaust cartoons from an Iranian newspaper." LINK

Re: Intelligent views from the blogosphere

jamal — Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:28:16 -0000

Yeah. Good selection of views.

Re: Abu Hamza goes down like a sucka!

jamal — Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:53:34 -0000

Hamza was an idiot, and I fully condemn him. I also think Griffin is an idiot, condemn him to, and agree with the following from that article;

"Mr Shadjareh (chairman of the Islamic Human Rights Commission) said the conviction of Abu Hamza, coming as it did only days after BNP leader Nick Griffin was acquitted of two charges of using words intended to stir up racial hatred, might increase the perception in the Muslim community that freedom of speech was selective.

"This is not to say that Abu Hamza was not a controversial figure within the Muslim community but it does suggest that controversial figures in one community might get treated differently than others," he added."

Re: Abu Hamza goes down like a sucka!

jamal — Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:47:46 -0000

Or if Nick Griffin had been imprisoned and his daughter met Abu Hamza during a prison visit. Later getting married to hamza and after his extradition became a drugs mule for drug dealing protestor Omar Khayam, who in turn sold the supply to the BNP losers.

Re: Abu Hamza goes down like a sucka!

jamal — Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:46:54 -0000

it was bound to happen. I dont think he'll be allowed the hook in their though!

Re: Are the police conspiring against us?

jamal — Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:59:01 -0000

I dont think there has to be a wedge to an extent that we cannot work and live together as colleagues and neighbours without the conflict.

Re: Are the police conspiring against us?

jamal — Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:39:51 -0000

This is an intresting article with some good links. In response to a few points;

"the protests were orchestrated by the Saudis, most likely to deflect attention from the people who died during Hajj."

I today read an article by Juan Cole that disputes this point and provides a detail account of the affair dating back to september.

"the deeper agenda seems obvious. The Middle Eastern countries and their imams want obedience and loyalty from their bretheren in Europe. They want to convince them that they are never going to be accepted and they are not part of those countries. They want to drive a wedge between the ‘infidels’ and their brothers"

While this is true, I am of the opinion that the "west" (i hate using this word in this way) does this also. With reference tothe cartoons issues alone, they were printed, considered acceptable, reprinted and supported by many. Islam was portrayed as a violent religion, and the anticipated response of Muslims has made it believable?

"The rest of us stuck in the middle are having a hard time just keeping up. "

Re: Are the police conspiring against us?

jamal — Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:48:43 -0000

"He got home, found himself on TV, and no doubt got bitch-slapped by his mum and forced into apologising."

lol.. I was thinking that too. And the idiot was on license.

Re: Jyllands-Posten previously rejected Jesus cartoons

jamal — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 19:40:40 -0000

Jonz, the human rights act does not have such a small print. What it does actually say is something that covers BOTH sides of the dispute;

"Freedom of speech and expression carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary."

Re: Jyllands-Posten previously rejected Jesus cartoons

jamal — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 19:37:36 -0000

"The 15 mio. muslems in the EU do not all share your attitude towards this subject. To even talk about them as a homogenous group is crazy. And to write that they all face “ignorance, insult and even persecution” is based on what FACTS?."

Peter, the current protests show that many do. Even though there are many that do not support the protests and many that consider the cartoons silly, I woulds go out on a limb to say that most would not claim to like or be positivly amused by the cartoons, particularly the obe refering to the virgins which you conviniently missed out of your speech.

Muslims do face ignorance, insult and even persecution, although this does not mean they WILL actually expericance it. You attempt to misquote me now makes me put doubt on your credibility. Nevertheless, I would argue that you yourself evidence the ignorance and offence we face by your warped opinion that we may think that there is some other context to which me may view Prophet Muhammad in a "crime line up" or wearing a "bomb-shaped turban".

Re: Jyllands-Posten previously rejected Jesus cartoons

jamal — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 19:03:32 -0000

"Peter thank you for taking the time to expose the double standards that a certain peaceful religion has."

Pounce, you definatly read something that I didnt.

Re: Jyllands-Posten previously rejected Jesus cartoons

jamal — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:38:17 -0000

"In Denmark there has been a positive debate among danes and muslims, as mentioned, about the drawing that were posted in september last year (!)."

Peter Pedersen, a very selective account there. There are about 15 million Muslims in the EU. They face ignorance, insult and even persecution. To impose "freedom of speech" on Denmarks minority muslims population according to your rules is innappropriate. What you are disguising as "positive debate" is in fact an infringment of their human rights.

The papaer did not want to offend christians, but happilly offended Muslims, and at a time when islamophobia and persecution of muslims are some of the biggest talking points today. Furthermore, before the paper [ublished these picture, there was a similar probelm in canada, so obviusly the papaer knew what the impact would be. This IS a double standard.

Before you even consider posting any further commenct here, I suggest you read this, this, this and this.

Re: Jyllands-Posten previously rejected Jesus cartoons

jamal — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:13:03 -0000

Jonz, as I keep saying, ‘freedom of speech’, whatever side of the fence you are on, freedom of speech cannot be unliimited and unstricted unless one lives alone on top of a mountain. Freedom of speech does not give one a permit to offend as they please. If you are to argue for 'freedom of speech' and the other benefits of democracy, then you must also argue for the other benefits of democracy such as protection from persecution and right to respect for private and family life.

Some like to forget that the exercise of the freedom of speech and expression carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.

Therefore Jonz, as I am one of 15 million muslims in Europe, why should I go elsewhere. I should not have to put up with ignorance, insult and even persecution which has been willfully spouted by Jyllands-Posten and the papers that supported it by reprinting the pictures. The same as non-muslims should not have to put up with slogans by extremists.

Re: Jyllands-Posten previously rejected Jesus cartoons

jamal — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:11:21 -0000

"Not at all Jamal. You cannot justify a picture of Mohammed with a bomb on his head?"

Correct Jonz. And no matter what arguement you use to refer to 9/11, 7/7, or global terrorism, this does not justify reffering/depicting to a Prophet of the mainstream religion of Islam as a terrorist, or implying that he was, particularly at a time when Muslims are generalised and stereotypes as terrorists due to the moral panic and media propaganda regarding Muslims.

Re: Jyllands-Posten previously rejected Jesus cartoons

jamal — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:07:03 -0000

"If the Danes had thought that militant Christians (having already publicly beheaded a man in Holland) might threaten to blow people up and threaten to massacre them if offended, I bet they would have published the Jesus cartoons"

..and this would still not justify it as freedom of speech. Nevertheless, we have heard of a well known bomber called Tim McVeigh, priests guilty of genocide, christians killing doctors that practice abortion, even Bush has linked his invasion of countries to his christians beliefs.

Re: Jyllands-Posten previously rejected Jesus cartoons

jamal — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:29:15 -0000

no Jonz. Freedom of speech cannot be unrestriced and unlimited. We must take account for our actions and the impact of our words. There are different levels of effect between slandering religion/stereotyping a people and inciting murder by way of slogans. However, both are offensive and both cannot be justified by freedom of speech. However, we cannot have a double standard on this, as current events show.

Since you supported Jyllands-Posten as "free speech" and was the one who actually first directed me to the pictures, I hope you are now kicking yourself in the arse.

Re: Jyllands-Posten previously rejected Jesus cartoons

jamal — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:25:07 -0000

Yes I agree. I still cant believe im even reading this article. It now refutes all the "free speech" arguements the paper and its supporters were spouting, and places blame right in their lap. It will be interesting to see what happens next.

Re: Jyllands-Posten previously rejected Jesus cartoons

jamal — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:19:05 -0000

..and after reading Han Kunzru's article, I'm not surprised Jyllands-Posten thought it was ok to slander Islamand offend Muslims.

The papers and people that supported Jyllands-Posten with their weak arguements of free speech must be kicking themselves now. I reckon Jack Straw is sitting back with a big smile on his face, for his recent condemnation the cartoons. Youve got to give him and the British media a round of applause on this one.

Re: Jyllands-Posten previously rejected Jesus cartoons

jamal — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:11:15 -0000

I read the article from the mediaguardian, and I think its quite bad that the paper chose to offend one religion over another. I think it is actually worse that the paper had already considered similar cartoons as offensive and unfunny, and then still chose to publish some with reference to Islam. To me, this in fact shows that the paper knew exactly what it was doing and the effect/impact this would have.

Based on the above, the paper shouldnt have published the cartoons. Since it did publish the cartoons and the outcry must have anticipated did occur, it should have issued an apology immediatly. The fact that it did not employ these strategies suggest that the papers opinion was that it was "open season" on islam, and the feelings of Muslims were irrelevant.

I think it would now be appropriate for the relevant person to be sacked, a proper apology to be issued, and for the papers that supported/followed Jyllands-Posten to realise their mis-judgement and also issue an apology.

Re: Jyllands-Posten previously rejected Jesus cartoons

jamal — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 14:50:48 -0000

"The Danish daily turned down the cartoons of Christ three years ago, on the grounds that they could be offensive to readers and were not funny"

Ive not read the comments. But why did they then feel it ok to go with the Prophet Muhammad cartoons?

Re: Eisenhower’s Nemesis Meets Her Death

jamal — Mon, 06 Feb 2006 05:18:42 -0000

I wish I make it to 85!

Re: The dilemma that ‘free speech’ presents us

jamal — Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:35:00 -0000

Sunny is not a Muslim.

He may have converted since his last post!

Re: The dilemma that ‘free speech’ presents us

jamal — Fri, 03 Feb 2006 22:07:28 -0000

Ive already come around to that point. the way I see it, when it comes to free speech, in an ideal world, discretion should be excercised, particularly when the impact of publications can by such that it causes disunity within society.

However, we are not in an ideal world. As the govt has the ability to step in as we have seen with previous images here and here

However, I would say that the difference should be recognised in "desiring" the govt to do so and "expecting" the govt to do so. Instead, these protesters are angry towards the govt for not condemning the cartoons, but then protest to these very same people/places for assistence, support and action to be taken.

Re: BNP idiots acquitted

jamal — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:23:45 -0000

So Abu Hamza should get off aswell then?

Re: Cartoon Solidarity

jamal — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:59:31 -0000

Yeah its sad. And if those on both sides are pushing cartoons to agrieve the other, then both are as bad as each other.

Re: I believe in miracles….where ya from, you sexy thing?

jamal — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:37:02 -0000

Dodgy sounding title (second bit), but this is a great story. And she is cute. I wish her all the best with life.

Re: I’m not a terrorist, honest guv!

jamal — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:24:13 -0000

The effect a beard can have these days is amazing. A beard AND a rucksack, now thats just asking to get shot by the police. This will be interesting to watch.

This is an intresting article about the consequences of wearing a rucksack in London!

Re: Dump the charade over Holocaust memorial day

jamal — Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:37:21 -0000

"If European societies choose to remember the single most wicked and evil crime of European history, the blackest and most evil and foul crime that took place in living memory"

and who made this declaration. Have the #europeans themselves not instigated bigger genocides in history?

With all the bear-baiting of the MCB and the emphasis placed on Jews killed in the holocaust, the fact remains that others died in the holocaust. Along with 6 million Jews figure regularly bounded about, the dead ALSO included generally available figures of Ukrainians: 5.5 - 7 million, Russian POWs: 3.3 million +, Russian Civilians: 2 million +, Poles 3 million +, Yugoslavians: 1.5 million +, Gypsies 200,000 - 500,000, Mentally/Physically Disabled: 70,000- 250,000, Homosexuals Tens of thousands, Spanish Republicans: Tens of thousands, Jehovah's Witnesses: 2,500 - 5,000, Boy and Girl Scouts, Clergy, Communists, Czechs, Deportees, Greeks, Political Prisoners, Other POWs, Resistance Fighters, Serbs, Socialists, Trade Unionists, Others: Unknown.

Furthermore, the holocaust was genocide and other genocides are just as important. This thread evidences some of them, there are many others. I do not see what is so wrong with commemorating/remembering them all, rather then just one. I understand the disdain for the MCB but not for their idea as a "genocide day" seems a good thing!

Re: Dump the charade over Holocaust memorial day

jamal — Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:54:26 -0000

sunny, of course you can write what you want.

Since there have been fairly recent genocides both before and after WWII, would it not be reasonable to have a day remembering them all.

I do not ignore the MCB are convenient in the genocides they refer too, and that they have an agenda.

Nevertheless, is it not fair to say that rather then only focusing on what the MCB omit to expose them, their opinion could be instead adopted and positively used as a starting point to implement such a more inclusive day.

This would not be supporting the MCB, but instead would take their valid point regarding a "genocide day" and possibly get it debated and implemented away from the negative connotations of the MCB, some of which you have highlighted here.

Re: Dump the charade over Holocaust memorial day

jamal — Sat, 28 Jan 2006 14:49:28 -0000

Sunny, how many times are you going to write these pro-Jew/anti-MCB articles.

Whats is wrong with having a "genocide memorial day" which includes the holocaust and ALL other similar atrocities, rather then a holocaust day that just represents Jews.

Check out the holocaust memorial day site and you will find it is very "jewish". Furthermore the history taught focus nearly exclusively on the death of jews over all others, just as it focuses on the holocaust over most other atrocities.

Because you are so Anti-MCB you include so much issues in your post to argue your point its difficult to find a starting point. You complain that the MCB conveniently leave out particular genocides, but do not seem to have a problem with the current "holocaust day", which exclusively focuses on one genocide and one race that suffered death.

The reality is that the MCB makes a good point in that a more inclusive "genocide memorial day" would be better to represent all atrocities/genocide. This opinion should merely be used as a starting point to implement such a day which includes the genocides that the MCB ignore.

Re: This list-mania is out of control…

jamal — Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:34:21 -0000

first 3 movies. great taste there ;)

Re: Lib Dems need to pull their finger out

jamal — Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:02:07 -0000

lib dems just seem to be full of alcoholic and gays at the moment. either theyre drinking their careers to death or visiting rent boys! (slight exaggeration included)

Re: A few dates for the diary

jamal — Wed, 25 Jan 2006 20:21:55 -0000

lol.

To answer your question, it is not me that gives them the chance, Allah has/will already given/give them the chance. they just need to accept it and use their choice to stop it. its quite simple.

Re: A few dates for the diary

jamal — Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:58:04 -0000

I suppose so. But then thats just paranoid because if nobody knows then people couldnt be obsessing about them. Therefore the reality is that the only reason they "spend each day walking past wierdos obsessing about how they are deserving of death", is because they know what they are doing is wrong. They dont "have" to do this as they can easily stop this unnattural behaviour and repent.

Nevertheless, if they're gonna worry about anything it should be about the wrath of Allah for living a life of unnattural sex and proclaiming it to be ok against the word of the Qur'an which they claim to follow. Then groups like Imaam have to answer for doing this themselves nd advising others to sin in this way too. Thats a heavy bag of sins there.

Re: A few dates for the diary

jamal — Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:17:37 -0000

David T..

i just read what you wrote.

you are correct in that this imaaan group makes bold press releases that they "do not lead “Tortuous, secret lives”", but based on the link you provide, in actual fact they do hide away. A prime example that they accept their behaviour is wrong.

The fact that they hide their own behaviour (in the closet) but tell others to show theirs (come out), should cause people to think twice before following them. it is as if that because tthis imaam group is so far astray that they want others to be further astray then them.

Re: A few dates for the diary

jamal — Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:00:26 -0000

It is better that you call him AL Mu-Jahil for debauchery.

based on his above posts that seems appropriate.

Re: A few dates for the diary

jamal — Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:20:04 -0000

mokum... you are saying "alhamdulilah" that she disagrees with the Qur'an and thinks that what is written according to Allah is wrong and should therefore change. that in itself is a contradiction. it is your choice to agree with those that disagree with Allah. i am not of the same opinion and rather to agree with Allah.

Re: A few dates for the diary

jamal — Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:15:38 -0000

“Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)!” (26:165-166)… …”Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant!” (27:55)… …”For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.” (7:81)… …”And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): Then see what was the end of those who indulged in sin and crime!” (7:84)."

Col. Mustafa, personally i do not say "should be killed", i say they are committing an act worthy of death according to the Quran and sunnah. the above shows that it is a sin and the punishment for it has been death.

I assume that all, many, most or some religious books/scripture include some form of grave punishment for particular sins/acts. my opinion is that if this is what your religion says then you should believe in it and follow it. this does not mean you should hang your gay neighbour, but it does mean that you should not support such acts. i accept that for some such a view is difficult to understand, but then there are many things in other religions and cultures that i find it hard to understand also, but respect it as their view and way.

Re: A few dates for the diary

jamal — Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:06:47 -0000

Mokum.. is that not a quote from the dutch filmmakers assistant that suports homosexuality. if it is so then i am not surprised this is her view. intrestingly, by her view she accepts that islam does not accept such acts and therefore is why she waits for change. the problem being that Allah has already said in the Qur'an "this day i have perfected your religion" (5:3), and homosexuality was not part of it. no change can come to accept homosexuality in islam. if this woman wants to express herself by trangressing islam, then this is her choice. however, she must and will acknowledge that islam must not change to accomodate her behaviour, but it is she that must accomodate her behaviour to accomodate islam.

Re: A few dates for the diary

jamal — Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:57:26 -0000

Sunny, it is a weak argument to sling that those that condemn others are weak in faith and those that are quiet are strong in faith.

this is a generalising arguement as people of a range of piety will tell you homosexuality is wrong, not just those that are weak in faith, just as not all those strong in faith will ignore wrongdoing.

Some may focus on gays as they are lax in other areas or just want to condemn/judge another, something i do not recommend. however the fact remins that if homosexuality is wrong, then it is wrong. to put it under a wider umbrella, sexual intercouses within marriage is acceptable in Islam and anything else is not. many will tell you this, it does not mean they are judge mental. it may be that they want to correct others, clarify the ruling of islam and prevent others fromcommitting sin. forewarned is forearmed.

Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) said: "When you see an evil act you have to stop it with your hand. If you can't, then at least speak out against it with your tongue. If you can't, then at least you have to hate it with all your heart. And this is the weakest of faith."

Re: A few dates for the diary

jamal — Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:49:55 -0000

Al_Mujahid_for_debauchery, I dont know what evidence you are referring to, but at this moment in time, according to the Qur'an, the people of lut were wiped out for their homosexual acts. based on this, to then consider such acts acceptable should be considered a mistake and a trangression of what is written in the Qur'an. furthermore, i am one to accept authenticity problems with hadith due to the acknowledged reasons we dont need to go into here. however, the fact remains that the ones i refer to do not refuute the quran but correlate with it. it is you that are actually refuting the quran by arguing for homosexuality.

“Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)!” (26:165-166)… …”Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant!” (27:55)… …”For ye practise your lusts on men in preference to women : ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.” (7:81)… …”And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): Then see what was the end of those who indulged in sin and crime!” (7:84).

Re: A few dates for the diary

jamal — Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:28:42 -0000

"and it is our responsibility as decent co-citizens to make sure that such discriminatory laws are changed."

no it is not our responsibility, and whether it is discriminitory is arguable. these verse you have questioned is unequivical, homosexually was punished by death as it was unacceptable. many times in the Qur'an does Allah refer to right and wrong by referring to what punishment he incurred on a previous people.. do you not agree. hadiths will support such a punishment and similar ones, and as you said, they may also be required to leave. the point is that all these "punishments" support the opinion expressed by myself that homosexuality is wrong.

Re: A few dates for the diary

jamal — Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:22:39 -0000

yep, that film sounds intresting!

Mokum.. if you are telling me that i am wrong, i suggest you refer to the Qur'an and realise that you are actually refuting Allah. this is your choice, so if you want to represent the sinners over Allah, that is your perogertive.

Col. Mustafa.. obviously when it come to iran, much of what they do is questionable. gay people can be gay and have the same beliefs as me or any other muslim. the point i make, as many others do, is that homosexuality is wrong according to Islam. therefore it is wrong to attribute the act to islam by calling themself a gay muslim. furthermore, if muslim means to surrender oneself to Allah, they are not actually doing this while committing gay acts and proclaiming to be gay. in fact they are committing an act that Allah considers punishable by death.

Re: A few dates for the diary

jamal — Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:14:28 -0000

jay singh.. since there is no death sentence here in the UK, your emphasis invalid. the point is that homosexuality is not allowed in Islam. it is a sin considered punishable by death by Quran and Sunah. based on this, a muslim should no be acting in such a way and if they are they shou,d stop it.

personally, i would not say that "its good to kill gays" or anyone else for that matter. however, if a person (muslim or otherwise) live where certain acts/crimes are punishable by death then it is obviously in their intrest to stop it. whether i recommend the punishment or not is irrelavant.

Re: A few dates for the diary

jamal — Tue, 24 Jan 2006 19:02:41 -0000

jay singh... i didnt call for gays to be killed. get it right. however, if gays live where shariah law is implemewnted and puts them at risk of death. i would advise them to follow what islam prescribes and to stop committing homosexuals acts. i would give the same advice to a rapist or murderer in the US risking the death penalty for his behaviour.

Re: A few dates for the diary

jamal — Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:59:25 -0000

sunny.. yes those other bits are missed. homosexuality is focused on more then others which is unfair, i agree. but then maybe part of it is because the homosexuals want to shout "muslim and gay" and promote it to the world. when they are told it is wrong they want to argue againsts it. however, if you tell a person fornicating, drinking, etc, that it is wrong, generaly they will agree with it.

similarly, gays used to accept it as wrong but now this big gay campaign against religions has caused them to change their perspective. gays are going after islam as they did chistianity. the difference being that i cant see islam bowing as christianity did.

nevertheless, muslim that commit gay acts have the choice to follow Allah and accept it as wrong, or follow gay rights activits and proclaim it to be okay. if they are muslim then they have a duty to follow the former choice. its really as simple as that.

Re: A few dates for the diary

jamal — Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:51:40 -0000

Based on Quran and Sunnah... yes.

This verse refers to a death penalty awarded to homosexuals.

“”And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): Then see what was the end of those who indulged in sin and crime!” (7:84).

There is a hadith that say homosexuals should be treated as adulturer. and another that say that if a man is guilty of adultry, stone him to death.

This article may intrest you. its a case of homosexuals being hanged in iran.

http://www.aliraqi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=...

Re: A few dates for the diary

jamal — Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:41:10 -0000

"Gay Muslims"!!??!!

These two words just do not go together in my mind as based on the Qur’an, homosexuality is an act worthy of a grave punishment such as death. Furthermore, we are all aware of Islamic opinions such as the valid claim of the MCB that “homosexuality is immoral”, so when will we stop hearing these corruptive statements such as ‘Gay Muslims’? In my opinion, it is a clear contradiction for a people to claim to be Gay Muslims while categorising themselves with a sin worthy of death according to Islam. I am in agreement with a comment I have read on the MPACUK debate regarding the programme, which considers it to be a “muck-raking” attempt on Islam. Another commentator has hit the nail on the head by saying; “Muslim Gays, thats like saying heterosexual homosexuals, or white blacks, or cholocate hating chocolate eaters”.

This documentary on gays labelled as ‘ground-breaking’, was slammed by homosexuals who released a press release stating;

“Contrary to the angle of the documentary most of the LGBT Muslim community do not lead “Tortuous, secret lives” but are happy balanced individuals who are supported by a growing LGBT Muslim community and increasingly by the wider gay AND Muslim communities in this country and abroad.”

However, while this is a very insightful statement they appear to have ignored that this “balance” and “support” referred to is in clear contradiction to the Qur’an. I do not see how they can consider themselves to be “balanced” and “supported” when they commit sin (homosexuality) with disregard for the same religion they claim to adhere to, which unequivically disallows homosexuality. If they commit sin and acknowledge it as wrong by repenting and seeking forgiveness then that is one thing. However, it is an entire different ballgame if they seek to regard homosexuality as acceptable and permissible, while promoting homosexuality as acceptable and permissible. Such activity is a blatent disregard of the ruling of Allah as stated in the Qur’an and Sunnah, which regards homosexuality as unacceptable. Islam is not a ‘pick and choose’ religion and the Qur’an refers to homosexuality as unacceptable in many verses.

Re: Being a Muslim copper is difficult business…

jamal — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:54:48 -0000

This is quite silly. If he's doing his job correctly then whats the big deal? Those on either side would be wrong to argue any differently.

Re: How the Whale Became a Londoner and Other Stories

jamal — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:01:32 -0000

..and was sad to see it swimming in that dirty Thames water too.

Re: How the Whale Became a Londoner and Other Stories

jamal — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:00:45 -0000

me too.

Re: The coming tide of Chinese power

jamal — Sat, 21 Jan 2006 10:40:55 -0000

I recently read that China jailed a man from writing on the internet that China was planning to convieniently forget the commemoration of the tiannimen sq massacre.

Re: Muslims doing it behind closed doors

jamal — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:04:15 -0000

^^ Yes that is correct. Hindus may have the karma sutra, but on the whole appear to be far from being open about sex.

All main religions and their members appear to be quite closed regarding sex and are far from shouting it from the rooftops.

In terms of scholars, many can be misleading, misinterpreting and incorrect, and therefore allow islam to be made a mockery of.

Whether this perpetuates it or not, I once read that between a married couple oral sex is considered permissible as long as ejaculation in the mouth does not occur.

Anal and period sex has always been considered forbbidden and may be refferred to in the Quran, I cant be bothered to search for it right now, but i will.

Not seeing each other naked is just plain silly!

Re: Do we want Nick Griffin to get convicted?

jamal — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:42:49 -0000

"With the exception of jamal, I think we’re mostly in agreement here - freedom of speech is paramount. Nick Griffin didn’t say “go out and kill Muslims”, so one can’t argue his words directly led to violence against Muslims. He did say “Muslims are evil” though - which, while repugnant BNP-rhetoric, it shouldn’t be illegal. You see jamal, if he is convicted for criticising Islam, then the message is effectively given that it is illegal to question the faith."

Yawn

Did I recently read a post of here (possibly by Rohin) and comments by Rohin critising the MCB for calling homosexuality immoral?

Now I read a post from Rohin saying that the BNP should be able to critisise Islam to as offensivly as it chooses.

So what you are saying is Gays and the BNP are better then Muslims and should have more rights then Muslims.

If the court case is based on the understanding that; "The prosecution allege that each of the six speeches ... included words which were threatening, abusive and insulting towards, in particular, people of Asian ethnicity. Such words were used with the intention of stirring up racial hatred," your article and rebuttal to my comments are therefore misconstrued and invalid.

Re: Do we want Nick Griffin to get convicted?

jamal — Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:13:25 -0000

Why "should Nick Griffin be allowed to criticise Muslims" with his racist words of hatred? He shouldnt. What a silly point to think he should be allowed, let alone to write an entire article about it!

He definatly should be found guilty and sent to prison (if the court so decides), particularly when the BNP itselfs posts articles complaining when people are called "white trash" and applauding when people are convicted for callling people "white trash".

Re: Faces of Asia

jamal — Sun, 15 Jan 2006 15:06:19 -0000

..did he send some of the profit he made off her suffering back to her?... NO

Re: Faces of Asia

jamal — Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:19:18 -0000

I too saw the programme when they traced her again, and the effect the years of war and oppression had on her was apparant. This actually made me dislike the photographer as while he was making his money and career off her picture, she was rotting in afghanistan.

Re: Well whaddya know?

jamal — Sun, 08 Jan 2006 17:03:28 -0000

They did say something along those lines previously.

MCB's statement on the Holocaust Memorial Day 2005

In response to media queries about this year's Holocaust Memorial Day, the Muslim Council of Britain has made the following statement to correct any false impression that may have been created by a misleading report in the Sunday Times (23rd January 2005) entitled 'Muslims Boycott Holocaust Remembrance':

1. The Nazi Holocaust was a truly evil and abhorrent crime and we stand together with our fellow British Jews in their sense of pain and anguish. None of us must ever forget how the Holocaust began. We must remember it began with a hatred that dehumanised an entire people, that fostered state brutality, made second class citizens of honest, innocent people because of their religion and ethnic identity. Those who were vilified and seen as a threat could be subjected to group punishment; dispossession and impoverishment while the rest of the world stood idly by, washing its hands off despair and suffering that kept getting worse. The MCB believes, that we have therefore to do more than just remember and reflect on the past - we must be able to see when the same abuses occur in our own time.

2. The MCB's principled position from the outset since 2001 - when the Holocaust Memorial Day was first commemorated - has been for the memorial day to be inclusive of the sufferings of all people and urged that it be named the 'Genocide Memorial Day'. The best living memorial for the victims of the Nazi Holocaust is trying to ensure that we make the cry 'Never Again' real for all people who suffer, everywhere. We honour the dead most sincerely by working to end suffering and bring peace with justice to those who live without hope today.

3. Sadly, 'Ethnic cleansing' and mass killings are not a thing of the past; they are a continuing terror. Remembrance must, therefore, refocus our moral vision and rededicate our commitment to prevent current and future inhumanity, state brutality and crimes against humanity. In order to help ensure that such crimes against humanity do not recur and repeat themselves we believe that the Memorial Day can better be observed by making it inclusive to cover the ongoing mass killings and human rights abuses around the world, notably, in the occupied Palestinian Territories, Chechnya and Kashmir and also recent mass killings and genocide on Bosnia, Kosova and Rwanda. Genocide is the most abhorrent and outrageous crime and we are not going to prevent it by selectively remembering only some of its victims. (issued 24th January 2005 - www.mcb.org.uk)

Re: Women versus men, part 2

jamal — Sun, 28 May 2006 18:32:33 -0000

I thinks people in general that attack in this way do it because they are unable to do otherwise due to lacking in areas of elequence, logic and rationale.

I do think many men do want women to be quite and submissive, but not just due to sexism, but also because they have rigid views.

Re: The Sikhs are at it too

jamal — Sun, 28 May 2006 19:33:51 -0000

"Theologically, what you don’t cite or talk about is how Prophet Muhammad (Pbh) in his teachings urged his followers to respect the laws and traditions and customs of the lands they chose to live in freely."

The prophet also said to condemn what is bad!!

Since you find the acts of Danish Imams nauseating as do i, why not also attribute this to Jyllands-Posten also?

The word 'biased' comes to mind.

Re: The Sikhs are at it too

jamal — Sun, 28 May 2006 18:28:43 -0000

"Jamal (and you can check for yourselves) has hyperlinks to the anti-Semitic MPACUK and the Muslim Association of Britain [MAC], an auxiliary of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Horrifyingly, he even endorses the Web Site(IslamOnline.net) of anti-Semitic, pro-female-circumcision, pro-gay-stoning, pro-suicide-terrorism Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi."

Amir, this is how you show your bias. I also have links to christian, jewish and anti-islamic blog sites.

Nevertheless, the time you have spent checking out investigating my links is a bit suspicious. If thers any crime in your area, I hear the police are always looking for informants.

Re: The Sikhs are at it too

jamal — Sun, 28 May 2006 13:07:26 -0000

Amir

Of course YOU can be British and Gay, you dont need my permission.

Marches are banned, restricted and regulated for many reasons, as was the gay one you refer too. article

Ill let you know that ive been posting on sunnys sites for some time, and as Raz said, its is the variety of views that is pertinent. If it was not, then this discussion would be over already.

Don, why be a drama queen. The facist element was one aspect of the situation, which occured after the fact. The march had already been ban. They went ahead anyhow. Would you be so diplomatic if it had been 'another' group?

Re: The Sikhs are at it too

jamal — Sun, 28 May 2006 11:43:19 -0000

Yes.. all groups have their deviants.

There is no need to choose between being Muslim and being British because if you are both then that is that. Each will have different levels of importance in given situations depending on the choices of the individual.

Though im also wondering what "european christianity is"?

Re: Long weekend open thread

jamal — Fri, 26 May 2006 15:48:14 -0000

Although it could be interpreted as bordering on the peripheral of beastiality, HIV has been found to have originated in wild chimps. The question is now how it was contracted by man?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5012268.stm

Re: Dark skin, light skin… what’s the difference?

jamal — Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:30:46 -0000

To be brief, the media shows us that white is better. This idea did not start with the media, it started with issues of racism, imperilism and superiority complexes.

The media does keep this alive, but it is too late to 'kill' it off. it is now ingrained into many groups, communities, races and nationalities that whiter is better. Only generations of change will make a difference, and this would be minimal while power is primarily dominated by whites.

One only has to look at the majority of Miss World contestants from many 'black' countries, to see howdeep this problem is. Recently i went to an asian wedding exhibition, and ALL the models were white/pale in complextion, many were actually white in race.

Personally i do not know what can change this, but it is a damn shame, particularly since the majority of the Worlds population is non-white, but "white" continues to dictate and define what is beauty.

Re: Panic over! Everyone can go back to crying now…

jamal — Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:55:45 -0000

Riz.. Im a basic guy, representing basic people, who need basic explanations, particularly at this time of night when ive got work in the morning.

All they need to do is lower the price, whether its companies lowering the price or the govt lowering the tax. Im sure theres enough oil ventures, Saudi backhanders and stolen oil to do this.

Re: Panic over! Everyone can go back to crying now…

jamal — Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:21:11 -0000

This is 'my' solution.

For the rest of this year, DON’T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP. If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Esso and BP petrol buyers who will hold out until the price reaches the 69p a litre range. It’s really as simple as that!! So buy your petrol at Shell, Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons Jet etc, and BOYCOTT BP and Esso.

(Disclaimer to BP/Esso representatives. This is not actually my idea, I am just repeating it)

Re: Panic over! Everyone can go back to crying now…

jamal — Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:19:04 -0000

Yes the response was weak. I think the people have finally woken up and realised that these protests are useless. The oil companies dont even flinch at these types of protests. In fact they probably look forward to the huge sale of petrol pre and post protest.. I think there is a motive of the organisers of these protests, and its not to help the motorist!

Re: Sania Mirza told to cover up by fatwa

jamal — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:10:14 -0000

Rohin

Interestingly you have supported your weak arguement with the example of a lesbian!

i'd say that shows your understandig of Islamic issues!

Are you just another non-muslim that likes to dictate what muslims should and should not do, with plans to go and tell this "Sportsperson" what she is doing is right, when you yourself have implied she accepts it as wrong??

I'd quit it now, before your hold gets deeper!

Re: Sania Mirza told to cover up by fatwa

jamal — Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:23:51 -0000

She is right to feel that she is sinning every time she plays because she is. Regardless of our differing views on this subject, she acknowledges that she should not be so exposed, and this is the point.

I am saying she should cover up based on the same rules that she adheres to and acknowledges she is breaking. Therefore how am I oppressing her, or are you arguing she is oppressing herself also, or maybe even oppressed by Allah?

Islam is not a "Pick and Choose" religion. She knows that she can not interpret the Qur'an in a more user friendly way for herself, and therefore acknowledges that she sins. If this was not the case there would be some more debate, the fact remains that it is not As I said in my initial post, if i wish to pursue a career in Crack or Porn, I would have to accept that certian aspects of the job would be unislamic!

This old "Muslim women opression" arguement that has emerged here is the reason she does a disservice to Muslim women. I do not ignore her sporting achievements, however, the arguement that she should be able to wear what she wants, is to argue that Muslim women who dress accordingly with the Qur'an are oppressed or in need of liberation.

Praying to make up for dressing in revealing clothes as she has admitted, merely sends out a message that what she is doing is wrong, and that to play in the mainstream requires the contradiction or temporary abandonment of ones religion. This cannot be ignored. If she were to play in a more covering attire, then would it not serve to bring more Muslim girls into the game, and make them confident to play in the mainstream, without the pressure to contradict their religion?

Re: Sania Mirza told to cover up by fatwa

jamal — Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:26:27 -0000

“I believe Islam is about forgiveness. I hope God forgives me for wearing these clothes. I pray five times a day, I’m from a very orthodox family and I just hope that I can be forgiven for the clothes I wear”

She clearly thinks what she is wearing IS wrong, which is a shame.

This is not a "shame". This is a Muslim who recognises and acknowledges what her religion says. There is no shame about that.

What would be a shame is if she said, "Im a Muslim and i dont care".

What she is trying to do with this type of statement in light of her dress, is to have the best of both worlds. Many of us try to do it, but deep down we know what the Qur'an says. I wonder if she will cover a little more if she became the #1 seed or retired? I think she would!

Furthermore, if she is piously praying 5 times a day and therefore obviously values her deen, then why can we not just accept that the scholars are right, she accepts it also, and would actually do more of a service for her muslim sisters if she covered up. This type of case and evident piblicity is only causing the old "muslim women are oppressed" arguement to emerge".

Ask yourself, based on what she has said, is she wearing these clothes because she wants to or because the profession requires it, and it would be difficult for her not to comply due to the politics of the tennis world?

Once long ago, Asians were told they could not wear traditional or religious clothing in places of work or study. Lets not forget that, and lets not become like the oppressors of our ancestors!

Re: Sania Mirza told to cover up by fatwa

jamal — Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:58:44 -0000

Furthermore, the fact that you have not noticed her legs as you have been concentrating to much on her chest, only serves to confirm that her attire is innappropriate, as prescribed by the Qur'an. Therefore justifying the position of Muslim clerics.

Re: Sania Mirza told to cover up by fatwa

jamal — Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:56:40 -0000

these types of situations cause much difficulty. It appears as if these scholars do not value progression. However, this is not the case. If people are going to interact claiming to be Muslims, then they must act as such and prepared to be corrected if they do not.

Many will be selective as to what situations they consider acceptable and unacceptable, however the fact remains that these scholars are working to a set guideline laid down long ago. For instance, i may be able to be successful as a drug seller, UK Soldier or porn star. However, I would not expect it to be condoned my Muslim scholars, particularly if I became so successful that I becme world reknowned. It would therefore be a contradiction for me to promote (or accept the promotion of) my Muslim identity. In my opinion, it is a similar situation for Sania Mirza and Miss UK.

Re: Navjeet Sidhu update – ‘familicide’?

jamal — Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:40:25 -0000

really i think the way forward is to have more asians in the relevant services that will actually speak up and actively take on cases that are culturally similar to themselves. The reason they do not is because they will receive no extra pay for it., due to the nature of government agency salaries. The other problem is the risk they will get all cases of a similar nature. However, there is nothing wrong with helping your own people!

i have noticed that people of other nationalities and religions will have no problem attracting cases that are similar to their own background, but asians tend to shy away from this.

lets think more about assisting others and a bit less about cash!

Re: Navjeet Sidhu update – ‘familicide’?

jamal — Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:34:02 -0000

I wish that in these types of cases, the proper facts were reported to start with.

You have hit the nail on the head about political correctness. The various agencies "tiptoe" so much when it involves somebody of a "non-english" culture or religion. You'd think they'd just get an Asain caseworker, but no... this in itself would be classed as discrimination.

currently in these types of agencies there are efforts to "understand" these cultures, when all they really need to do is primarilly deal with people as any other suicide risk, and worry about the cultural issues when they are considered less risky.

Alas, with everybody fearing discrimination claims against them, it doesnt hapeen!.

Re: More Belgian schools ban headscarves

jamal — Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:27:57 -0000

juan, that is a very misinformed statement.

What is "special" about religion, is that the Human Rights Act permits freedon of religion expression.

This is why it should be allowed, and this is why every cases invloves this act.

Re: More Belgian schools ban headscarves

jamal — Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:27:45 -0000

Just to add. How much input will European Muslims have into the European constitution. If we have little say (as i expect), then there could be difficult times ahead.

with the current witchhunts and restrictions pertaining to Muslims organisations that speak out, who will speak for us?

Re: More Belgian schools ban headscarves

jamal — Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:25:06 -0000

This is a joke. I am sure that this trend is spreading and will soon hit britain. I recently read that teachers in some schools in germany had been banned from wearing hijabs too. If it is everywhere else they go, then why not in school? Once again, the laws target muslims.

I am waiting to see what legislation regarding this will be included when the EU constitution is finaiised. I can see a secularist Europe where muslims are cnsidered the outcasts. I recently read an article where muslims in Italy largely consider themselves on the outskirts of society, and they can where what they want. i dont see these laws having any positive effect!

Re: Who killed Navjeet Sidhu?

jamal — Sun, 04 Sep 2005 19:50:21 -0000

I dont think there is Asian bashing here, in fact im sensing sympathy instead.

If it is correct that she was leaving her husband, and it was due to marital difficulties, then the marriage situation should be investigated. Asians have too mush of a tradition of have such a close knit network on the surface, whilst underneath theres a huge amount of oppression, drug addiction, alcoholism and domestic violence.

The other area I would be investigating is the role of the GP or health visitor. If this woman had a 5 yr old, a 9 month old, and was pregnant, she should have been in touch with medical and health care services. If she was.... did they miss any depression or signs of problems. If she wasn't in touch with these services... why not?

It is only be investigating these areas that the next one might be stopped. She was not 'just another' suicider!

Re: Who killed Navjeet Sidhu?

jamal — Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:47:25 -0000

It will be difficult to find out the reason as she it dead. An important area of enquiry will be whether her GP, or health worker noticed any symptoms, or whether they had even been in touch with her!

I think Asian families need to communicate more, particularly when there are signs that a marrige is breaking down.

All too many times the signs are ignored so that the elders can continue to hold their heads up high within their comunities!

Re: Kanye West: ‘America doesn’t care about black people’

jamal — Sun, 04 Sep 2005 19:57:29 -0000

Correct. Bush doesnt have a care or need for New Orleans.

While the other states were receiving good emergency attention and transportation to safety, I heard a woman in New Orleans say;

"they sent in many Army vehicles to police us and keep us in, when they should have been sending in buses to take us out!"

I think that sums up how states with large black populations are considered! ... only in America... 'land of Freedom and Justice'

Re: The battle for Islam

jamal — Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:24:11 -0000

Obviously the points regarding Islam depend on where the muslim is from. Islam is worldwide, and those points do not aply universally.

Nevertheless, the greatest point made in the article you did not include! It is:

It would be folly to suggest that terrorism fuelled by perverse interpretations of Islam is not a threat. It would be naive to argue the conditions do not exist that make such ideology seductive. But the greatest folly would be to base our response to the extremism of the few on the false proposition this is all the Muslim world offers as a vision of its future.

Re: Welcome, new readers

jamal — Fri, 02 Sep 2005 23:52:36 -0000

About time too!

Its looking good.

Re: British Asians increasingly live in ghettoes

jamal — Fri, 02 Sep 2005 23:48:19 -0000

From what i see daily, neither Asains or Blacks have a problem with segregation because we learn to live with it. Though we would rather be more included in society and many of us strive to get our own peice of equality. However, if the segration still continues, im not going to loose any sleep over it!

London is more multicultural, but then there are some pockets of concetrated ethnicity. Though not always in ghetto areas.

Re: London bomber’s video airs on Al-Jazeera, someone tell B’ham mosque!

jamal — Sat, 03 Sep 2005 15:47:41 -0000

Why tell B'ham mosque. Previously there was no strong unequivical evidence. As we have seen by police reports regarding the brazilian, they can be misleading. now this video is the evidence that at least this guy took part in the bombings, though there is doubt as to whether he is actually linked to Al-qieda as the tape has been reported to have maybe been edited.

And since sunny has linked this topic to his favourite pet hate Hizb ut-Tahri, i think there are many commenters here that first need to read this article by the MCB http://www.mcb.org.uk/presstext.php?ann_id=157

The question is not how does that anger turn to murder?, it is why?, and what conditions allow it to ferment?

Re: Exclusive Coverage Of Drs. Sultan, Pipes, And Brook At UCLA Panel Discussion On Islam With Protests [video/pics] Updated

jamal — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:47:37 -0000

Was this not stopped? Im glad it was. Islam is not an ideology based on ideas but a creed of principles and beliefs. If the message of Allah is considered to exercise dictatorial control enabling us to better ourselves, then Islam should be considered positively totalitarian. Therefore, this is no justification for the likes of Pipes and Sultan to make their fame and fortune through slandering Islam and due to supporting that which is against Islam

Re: Exclusive Coverage Of Drs. Sultan, Pipes, And Brook At UCLA Panel Discussion On Islam With Protests [video/pics] Updated

jamal — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:29:35 -0000

Recognise that you are mistaken you claim as I Islam as we know it was inorrect, or proven to be, then I would not consider myself a follower/memer of Islam as we know it. The fact is that it cannot be disproven, though many have tried.

Hirsi, Sultan and Pipes may be successful in their quest, particularly amongst non-Muslims who did not belives in Islam anyhow, but this doesnt mean their quest is credible. Therefore they are making their fame and fortune on slander, in a similar vein to how bloggers such as yourselve share your thoughts in cyberspace. Ill take Allah, Prophets from Adam to Muhammad, the Quran and a billion muslims of the words of Hirsi, Sultan and Pipes anyday. They are entitlen to their opinions, but this does not change the actual negativity of what they do.

Using Sultan as a prime example, if she truly believes that the “distorted” religious teachings of Islam prompt young people to commit suicide and that somebody has to help free the Muslim people from these wrong beliefs, then why is she not highlighting the distorters AND the distortions. It would have been more accurate for her to say that the Qur’an does not prompt suicide and therefore vulnerable Muslims should be informed of this fact. Instead Wafa Sultan’s intention is that Muslims should be “corrected” until they become non-believers just as she did not believe and “had to leave (Islam)”…and…”look for another god”. She now seeks to prosper by recruiting Muslims and rallying the anti-Muslims with her far-right cry of “Fear Muslims! Fear Arabs! Fear Islam!”. As all the other bigots do (as we see on countless blogs!), she quotes Islamic scriptures on warfare out of context and in isolation to justify her beliefs, just as do the militants to justify their actions, therefore Wafa Sultan and Al Qaeda are alike in distorting the message of Islam.

Evidently, Wafa Sultan distorts the facts in order to fit a politically motivated inaccurate view of Islam. The world is full of good Muslims who understand Islam as a religion of peace. Nevertheless, as with Hirsi and Pipes, Sultan has endeared herself to the anti-Islamist right in the West and secured her healthy book sales and speaking fees from the idiots that go to see her.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/03/21/1310...

Re: Female Saudi Newscaster: ‘We Are Brainwashed Daily’

jamal — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:32:38 -0000

...and how many female workers in the America say they are molested, bullied, discriminated against and harrassed by their male counterparts?

Re: Some call it Winter

jamal — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:21:12 -0000

Hi, would you like to exchange links, Ive already linked to you; Radical Muslim

Re: MsUnderestimated » Blog Archive » Race Warlord, Sharpton on Romney’s Faith (VIDEO)

jamal — Sun, 13 May 2007 11:18:44 -0000

id like to see a mormon in office. even a quaker. the best would be a muslim.

Re: 30 Something: Ust. Suhaib Webb

jamal — Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:19:13 -0000

As-Salaamu 'alaikum

At the following link you will read about the 49,981 signatures have now been received on a terrible petition against the London 'Mega mosque' based on incorrect and inciteful information. This shows the existence of the intolerance and Islamophobia in Britain.

http://radicalmuslim.blogsome.com/2007/05/30/th...

The mosque would provide a place of worship and show Britains tolerance and multiculturalism. It is now the duty of Muslims and evey citizen to sign the counter-petition to BUILD the 'Mega Mosque'.

Please sign at the link below, forward email it to your friends, post it in forums you visit and promote this on your site/blog.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/buildmosque/

Re: Reliance of the Traveller

jamal — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:47:05 -0000

Asalaamu alaikum,

would you like to exchange links, Ive already linked to you;

http://radicalmuslim.blogsome.com/

Re: Shaykh Riyadh ul Haq: Respect in religion

jamal — Wed, 30 May 2007 20:21:18 -0000

http://radicalmuslim.blogsome.com/2007/05/30/th...

49,981 signatures have now been received on a terrible petition against the London 'Mega mosque' based on incorrect and inciteful information. This shows the existence of the intolerance and Islamophobia in Britain.

The mosque would provide a place of worship and show Britains tolerance and multiculturalism. It is now the duty of Muslims and evey citizen to sign the counter-petition to BUILD the ‘Mega Mosque’. Please sign at the link below, email it to your friends, post it in forums you visit and promote this on your site/blog.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/buildmosque/

Re: London Mosque, true or false?

jamal — Thu, 31 May 2007 20:14:39 -0000

As-Salaamu ‘alaikum

Thankyou for posting on this subject, Jazakallah

Re: French reap what they sow

jamal — Thu, 03 Nov 2005 11:28:34 -0000

It was only a matter of time before a situation was sparked in the tinderbox of the French suburbs. While the French Government has ruled with its laissez faire approach, many of its inhabitants suffer the effects of inequality, unemployment, and marginalisation, particularly North African migrants. Instead of sidestepping this reality by deluding itself with the imagined notion of a community sipping wine in ChÃ¢teaus with sexy French girls, the Government would have been much better of remembering the Revolution! One resident has summed up the situation by saying;

âAnything could have started it,â â¦ âWhen youâre an immigrant here, youâre just stuck in your sh*t. Does it really surprise you itâs going up in flames?â

Re: Bliar defeated

jamal — Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:16:02 -0000

yeah, this is good news.

Re: Interpal threatened yet again

jamal — Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:44:46 -0000

This is quite bad, though im not surprised. Its about time the reverse happened and supporters of Israel were instead banned. For example those providing funds and munitions.

Re: Extremists crash the party again (updated)

jamal — Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:48:16 -0000

Assalamu alaikum

great article. Good thing you was there to represent a proper perspective, although it must of been disappointing to see the few acting in such a negative way which affects us all.

Re: Ken steps in it again

jamal — Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:54:06 -0000

I support ken on this, in fact the only things I dont support him on is the congestion charge and the tax raising olympics. I have nothing wrong with Douglas Murray telling "jihadists" to go home and see how they fare, if they are "jihadists". I also have no problem with Red Ken's latest remark, although he should have been more accrurate in his geography.

Re: Ethnic candidate causes BNP outrage

jamal — Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:42:20 -0000

Yesterday the BNP admitted it had received a number of calls from angry members and that a hardcore had refused to accept Mr Gawad's candidacy on race grounds "even when it was explained that he was not a Pakistani Muslim"

This peice of the guardians article says it all really. The racist BNP bigots will never get very far with these views, no matter how many ""totally assimilated" members they may use.

Re: Forest Gate raid: another disaster

jamal — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:07:01 -0000

Yes, it is worrying. If they had been planning an attack then they deserve what they get. However, if they are innocent, additionally to "who will eat humble pie"; who will strive to overturn the increasingly stereotypical views that a muslim is a suspect if they keep to themselves, pray and wear islamic dress?

Effectivly this is promoting the view that every muslim is a suspect, "so keep your eye on him".

Re: Forest Gate source “has IQ of 69″

jamal — Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:57:19 -0000

This just shows the level of police incompetance. Have they not learnt from Menenzes? Apparantly not!

Re: More on the niqab situation

jamal — Mon, 09 Oct 2006 05:37:17 -0000

Re: London’s foxes and hen-houses

jamal — Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:38:31 -0000

Asalaamu alaikum, I have moved from opinionated Voice to Radical Muslim so please update your link if neccessary, and keep in touch too.

Re: Cyberporn and credit card fraud

jamal — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:02:32 -0000

I think that alot of the people involved have evidence on their pc's also and then confess.

Re: Dimwit truckers revisited

jamal — Wed, 30 May 2007 19:54:17 -0000

http://radicalmuslim.blogsome.com/2007/05/30/the-mega-mosque/

49,981 signatures have now been received on a terrible petition against the London 'Mega mosque' based on incorrect and inciteful information. This shows the existence of the intolerance and Islamophobia in Britain.

The mosque would provide a place of worship and show Britains tolerance and multiculturalism. It is now the duty of Muslims and evey citizen to sign the counter-petition to BUILD the ‘Mega Mosque’. Please sign at the link below, email it to your friends, post it in forums you visit and promote this on your site/blog.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/buildmosque/

Re: Abu Eesa: memories of Ambrose

jamal — Wed, 30 May 2007 20:36:03 -0000

http://radicalmuslim.blogsome.com/2007/05/30/the-mega-mosque/

49,981 signatures have now been received on a terrible petition against the London 'Mega mosque' based on incorrect and inciteful information. This shows the existence of the intolerance and Islamophobia in Britain.

The mosque would provide a place of worship and show Britains tolerance and multiculturalism. It is now the duty of Muslims and evey citizen to sign the counter-petition to BUILD the ‘Mega Mosque’. Please sign at the link below, email it to your friends and promote this on your site.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/buildmosque/

Re: Bye bye, Faisal

jamal — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 20:43:34 -0000

As with all that speak on Islam, he was not perfect. I too witnessed some of his lectures and I can truly say that he will be missed. As with the comments made in reply to your previous post, he brought many to Islam and educated therein. He said it how it was and many did not like this, particularly those you refer to in your previous post.

Re: Egypt Journalists Under Fire

jamal — Sun, 28 May 2006 17:09:30 -0000

free at last... free at last..!!

great news.

Re: Report: "68 Palestinian women gave birth on Israeli checkpoints, 33 infants and 4 women died"

jamal — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:40:01 -0000

This is terrible. I will be linking to this article.

Re: Uniting For The Return of Palestinians

jamal — Sat, 12 May 2007 19:08:26 -0000

Your article is very informative. It is unfortunate I am in the UK at present, or I would like to go to this.

Re: Open letter to the Rolling Stones regarding planned gig in Israel

jamal — Sat, 19 May 2007 21:20:39 -0000

A good letter, lets hope it works. Ive linked to it.

Re: Collage Talk

jamal — Wed, 30 May 2007 20:34:41 -0000

Re: Islam - The Latest Fascism?

jamal — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:12:38 -0000

You obviously know nothing about Islam.

Re: Petition for release of bloggers Kareem Amer and Abdul-Moneim Mahmud

jamal — Sat, 05 May 2007 14:32:57 -0000

this silencing attempt needs to stop. nevertheless, there will always be another blogger to carry the arguement.