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Don't be embarrassed. I have to ask or look that kind of stuff up all the time.

OT,

No.1 here's is the url to my (very inactive) blog: http://nquest2xl.wordpress.com/

I suppose you can see my email address with this post. If not, let me know.

PS: I preferred to post the info. here instead of at P6, though I think my current blog is on his blogroll.

Once again, Obama should have the vision and courage to make another race speech and I'm going to keep on saying it until he does (though some of his statements have come close to hitting the notes I believe he should put in a formal address, by himself or with McCain).

What John Lewis has said is not very different from what others have in the past week, including those who share McCain's ideology.

Exactly. It's because John Lewis put it in the historical context where people can't just pretend it's "politics." But maybe somebody can tell me when a presidential candidate had people who attended their opponents rallies scream out the blatantly racist stuff we've heard that took McCain a whole week's worth of polls to speak out against.

Yeah, somehow McCain is "responsible" for things people say in his rallies but when John Lewis makes a remark nowhere near Obama, somehow, Obama is supposed to condemn Lewis' statement that come nowhere near threatening McCain's safety.

I mean, Rep. Lewis didn't call for people to "kill" McCain... Nothing like that. Rep. Lewis is a Black man who spoke out strongly against the racism drummed up by a White man and his campaign that was fully aware of the racism they were trying to exploit. It was only when the mobs started to hurt McCain's standing that McCain spoke up but he didn't CONDEMN any of it.

Far from it.

Nowhere did McCain say that kind of HATE and FEARMONGER has no part in our discourse and I DON'T WANT YOUR VOTE. That's a condemnation. What McCain did was damage control until and unless he comes out and strongly condemns the much more dangerous and insulting tactics of his campaign.

When McCain himself refused to look at Obama and couldn't RESPECTFULLY address him as Senator Obama "in his face" as opposed to referring to him as "that one"... Well, there is no way that anyone owes McCain any consideration.

They got a problem with what Rep. Lewis said... Take it up with John Lewis.

Now why is Obama opening his mouth?

They say "jump!", he says, "how high?"

Un-freakin'-believable.

And Senator Obama and Rep. Lewis should hold a joint press conference and tell the McCain campaign to fuck off. McCain still hasn't "repudiated" the vitriol his campaign knowingly drummed up. They must really think this is the Jim Crow era.

First of all, they have absolutely no moral standing to "demand" anything.

That was important because its important to be explicit about it and, as they say, picture is worth a thousand words. Rachel put in all in context with several thousand words with the historical images.

Yep! Obama best to get making that race speech. White folks are going to have to be prepped for this.

What "people"??

Obama speaks in stereotypes on the regular. The "acting white" bs he cited all the way back in 2004 = stereotype. And, again, he said nothing to Latinos about it even though what little evidence that's out there shows its a bigger "problem" with Latino students.

And please show that you have more of a brain than Freepers...

Me showing just how much I don't like Sen. Obama.

Check the signature (and my other post if it went through).

Who the hell turned JJP into Free Republic??

"You are just mad because Obama is NOT a Jesse..."

BWAHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are just an illiterate, stupid mf who needs to get out more. Jesse/Al = militant??? WTF??? lmao You're like them idiot White conservatives who call Obama a left wing radical. But I guess some things are relative and depends on where you're at. Too bad you're lost and you keep swinging and missing.

Learn how to read Muzikal203 and then maybe you can learn how to debate. I've defended Obama left and right and your ILLITERATE azz just skimmed over me saying "NO INTELLIGENT BLACK PERSON COULD BEEF HIM ON" what he did regarding Jena Six and Katrina but it's Obama's fault for not emphasizing those things...

Which is, basically, my argument here. An argument you don't know how to deal with... You know you can't defend Obama preaching personal responsibility to African-Americans, "talking down to n*ggas" when he goes in front of LATINOS, "looks beyond all their faults" then praise them as embodying American ideals.

You're one of them Black people who have little self-respect for yourself. You think "the damn truth" is a STEREOTYPE. For some reason Obama didn't speak "the damn truth" to Latinos. He didn't speak "the damn truth" to AIPAC, Jews or Israel. He didn't speak "the damn truth" when he was painting those "bitter" White folks as VICTIMS whose government/politicians had let them down.

So Obama has no problem saying it's the governments fault and/or focusing exclusively (as a politician is supposed to do) on what the government hasn't done and should do when it comes to other groups.

As for stupid ass comments like Craig's... Dude, I've said nothing about not voting for Obama. This is about not excusing what he does. But I understand simple-minded people can't deal with nuance and complexity let alone critiques against their simple-minded support for Obama that cause people like Muzikal203 to act like they can't freakin' read.

M-203: "He said something bad about Obama. He must be mad."

Damn, and I used to think there were some intelligent Black folk on this blog besides the authors...

You apparently DON'T know what he has done.

That's the way you respond (links and all) to me saying:

"Obama [has] dealt with Jena Six (and Katrina) in ways that no intelligent Black person could beef him on

Can you even freakin' READ!!!???!?!?!

I'm laughing my ass off because that's the best you can do, Craig.

No, he's supposed to respect and treat Black people the same way he treats other demographic group he speaks to. JJP bragged about how Black voters put Obama over the top and I got to fight with ya'll over the point that he should treat Black people as EQUALS vs. lessers when, if anything, he should be promising everything to keep Black people happy up and including reparations (lol) because of how much he's banking on the Black vote.

Nobody has talked about Obama doing EVERYTHING (you and your non-point). So, I guess, you're of the opinion that he's not supposed to do ANYTHING in terms of specifically and CONSISTENTLY addressing what policies his administration would pursue that's of particular interests to African-Americans.

[b]"[Obama] issues this statement [[paraphrased: "let's not get violent"]] and not a single rock had been thrown."[/b]

You don't have to call it cowardice but he damn sure was stereotyping...

Re: his stance... Point out where he has emphasized his favorable policy stances in speeches sense Hillary said he had a "white" problem.

That's what a politician is supposed to do: constantly reinforce IN HIS SPEECHES what he has done and what he will do in terms of policy for any given demographic. Instead of doing that, he's been on this personal responsibility kick and the emphasis in his Father's Day speech in 2007 and 2008 justifies the heckling.

Black people should be houndin' his azz left and right until he specifically and consistently do what he does before other groups and constantly reinforce IN HIS SPEECHES what he has done specifically FOR THEM and what he will do specifically FOR THEM in terms of policy.

He doesn't go before AIPAC and talk about being a stalwart friend of the Palestinians. No, he loudly and strongly announces his solidarity with the group; the specific group.

"this election is all about... giving all Americans a fair shot at the American dream. That's what most Americans are looking for. It's not a lot. Americans don't need government to solve all their problems, and they don't want it to.

Notice the contrast. When Obama addresses other groups, in this case LULAC, he don't play up that "no matter what the government does" rhetoric which suggest that Black folks expect the government to solve all their problems or somehow work under the illusion that they don't have to put forth any effort...

"Americans don't need government to solve all their problems, and they don't want it to. They just want to know that if they put in the work that's required, they'll be able to build a better life not just for themselves, but for their children and grandchildren. It's the idea that in this country, the only limit to success is how big you're willing to dream and how hard you're willing to work. And as my friend Henry Cisneros said to me the other day, nobody embodies this spirit more than the Latino community.

Hmmm.... Everything peaches and cream when Obama talks to other groups. With them his MO is to "look beyond all their faults and see their needs" and praise them for embodying American ideals. When it comes to Black people... Well, not so much.

And the irony is thick. Obama praised this idea of "people standing up to their government when it wasn't standing up for them" but he asked Black people after the Sean Bell verdict to "respect the decision."

Again, you don't have to call it cowardice but you can't defend him as being consistent.

"He said we have to respect the law, and we can't run around acting crazy"

Thank you for highlight yet another instance where Obama spoke with stereotypes on the brain. Apparently, Black folks just "run around acting crazy"...

Instead of speaking to the concerns people had, the feelings of injustice, perceived or real, Obama saw fit to stereotype and dismiss not only people's sentiments regarding the verdict but he spoke like an ignorant azz who just figured Black folks would "run around acting crazy" if he didn't tell them how to act.

This isn't about him agreeing with me. Plus you don't know what I do and don't agree with. But you wouldn't have anything to say without that straw-man... without that preschool rhetoric.

If you want to contend with what I said then show me where Obama directed his the people at LULAC, AIPAC, etc. to his website. And, really, that's a silly statement for you to make. I said:

no other group has to be directed to his platform to hear Obama directly state what he specifically plans to do for them.

Either show me how Obama directed EVERY (OTHER) GROUP to his website instead of directly speaking to issues they had specific concerns about or say exactly what you have a problem with.

Show men when he's gone before AIPAC or Jews and did that.

And you reference Obama response to questions at UNITY (like you're illiterate and can't read how I already talked about that in the very post you call yourself responding to/contending with) vs. what I reference in terms of actual campaign speeches where he didn't direct the folks a LULAC to his website. Instead he "looked beyond all their faults, and saw their needs":

It's about the Latino students who are dropping out of school faster than nearly anybody else; the mother in L.A. who said she felt like the education system wasn't designed for people like her; and the children from West Chicago to the South Bronx who go to overflowing classes in underfunded schools taught by teachers who aren't getting the support they need. They cannot afford another four years of false promises and neglect.

Oops! My bad. That wasn't Obama making specific, group-based promises to Latinos... that was just an example of the brother not playing the "personal responsibility" card with Latinos no matter how dire the statistics. And, I'll be damned... No "acting white" reference either... (yet some of you never question why Obama views/speaks about African-Americans in ignorant, if not racist, stereotypes).

Together, we gave job training to the jobless, helped prevent students from dropping out of school, and taught people to stand up to their government when it wasn't standing up for them.

Missing is the rhetoric from Obama's NAACP speech (when he did better than he had been doing) where he "talked down to n*ggas" saying:

"no matter how much money we invest in our communities... [no matterr] how many government programs we launch — none of it will make a difference, at least not enough of a difference, if we don't seize more responsibility in our own lives."

So, yes, I continue to wonder why Black people have so little self-respect as to allow a politician to play on racist White conservative, stereotyping rhetoric that he doesn't use with any other group.

You missed my comment about Obama speaking on affirmative action and it stands to reason that you missed where Obama respected Native Americans enough to say he would talk with about the reparations issue. Black people/Black leaders... not so much or actually at all given what he said. (I'm going to try to keep it clean) but this dude (Obama) keeps trying to call the basic things that were supposed to be guaranteed via Brown vs. Board and the civil rights movement as reparations.

You know that Negro would NEVER... NEVER EVER say reparations to the Jews equated to basic democratic, freedom and equality reform in Germany. He would NEVER... NEVER EVER say that Jews shouldn't have received or continue to receive or forgo compensation for the Holocaust or continue to have Israel... which, as a country, not just Holocaust survivors, has received reparations money.

In closing, let me make something perfect clear to people like you who are challenged when it comes to critical thinking... First, scroll up to the beginning of my post. I asked why Francis Holland didn't actually point to cases (speeches, legislative action, etc.) where Obama dealt with Jena Six (and Katrina) in ways that no intelligent Black person could beef him on BECAUSE I KNOW HIS PLATFORM AND I'M AWARE OF WHAT HE HAS DONE. My thing is, I can't figure out why those things aren't prominent in ALL his speeches to African-American groups.

For some reason, he understands what his job is as a politician (who is supposed to talk policy and policy commitment) when he speaks to other groups. Again, noticed how he didn't trying that "personal responsibility" bs or that "no matter what the government does" bs with any other group and he damn sure didn't make a theme out of this.

So I'm looking at a whole lot of Black people who (I presume) for years have talked about the Democratic party taking them for granted but still don't seem to have enough self-respect to expect and demand that a Democratic politician respect them just as much as he, Obama in this case, respects every other group.

he’s not running for president of black America alone

Tired. He goes before every other demographic group and make specific policy promises or commitments to them and the fact that he does that has no one responding to any of the people in those groups with some "he's not running for president of Israel or Jews."

Again, I wonder about Black people who have such a low level of self-respect that for Black people to expect Obama to treat them like he does every other group and speak directly and as frequently as he is before them about specific policy commitments he will make to them specifically as a group.

Okay, I'm finally listening to Obama's response...

First, what's up with the "give the mic back" comment?
Second, what was the "vote for somebody else" comment?

Nobody could ever make me believe that he would use that tone and tell somebody White to you have the option of voting for somebody else. When addressing questions about Whites who won't vote for him because he's Black, he never takes that tone and he's gone out of his way to appeal to racist Whites, Jews and all...

But maybe somebody has a clip of Obama responding to his supporters who criticized him for moving to the center/right by telling them they could run for office and, with the Hillary crusaders out there, vote for somebody else.

This, too, is some unacceptable bs from Obama. Dude halfway act like he was scared of the brothers and couldn't hold back stereotypes in his head...

But let's handle the long-term injustices by:

adequately funding public education including music, art, sports, special education for developmental delays as well as gifted students

This would be hysterical if it wasn't so sad. The "adequate funding of public education" has been met with a societal "no way in hell" and there is no way in hell that Reparations "properly structured" (Obama's term) wouldn't do that. So the correct paraphrase from Obama is "my beloved White folk will go batshitcrazy over reparations just in name alone and I'm stupid enough to think they'll do what they ain't never done in terms of adequate public education because I wasn't alive/old enough to really know what Brown vs. Board was all about and why Reparations advocates like Charles Ogletree are still talking about the unfulfilled promises of Brown."

And why didn't Francis Holland deal with the specific complaints made about how Obama is perceived regarding Sean Bell, Jena Six (I think Obama can be easily defended on that, but I guess Holland is ignorant on that count) and the sub-prime issue.

Check out his Urban Policy Plan, his Poverty Plan, his Civil Rights Plan or any of his plans...

There is a disconnect. No other group has to be directed to his platform and his platform alone (damn near... ya'll should be able to readily and quickly point to speeches where he's emphasized those plans *ahem*). No, no other group has to be directed to his platform to hear Obama directly state what he specifically plans to do for them. Again, LULAC, AIPAC, Native Americans and all the Whites he could turn into victims...

Hell, can't even mention affirmative action, let alone reparations, without the brother bring up poor Whites by name with no shame in doing so all under the pretense that colleges don't already consider economic hardship (think 20 points in the old U. Michigan point system).

So, I wonder what it really is with Black people who have such low self-respect that they don't feel politicians should treat them the same as they do other demographic groups.

The "not once" hairsplitting is hilarious when Obama has been granted wide and sweeping rhetorical license. Then the ignorant sh*t from the Holland blog. I mean, seriously... Obama gets right in front of LULAC, AIPAC and other groups and SPECIFICALLY says what an Obama administration will do for THEM... not everybody under the assumption that everybody/Americans include them.

Flash back to the primaries right before Indiana voted. Obama was playing up his White roots talking about how the GI Bill laid the middle class economic floor for his White grandpa and made a sweeping statement like that sh*t applied to all Americans when we all know otherwise.

I'll be interested in hearing what he says in his Urban League speech. Did he tell the "bunch of men" HeartandFlowers is negatively stereotyping that he is supposed to speak specifically about his urban agenda before the Urban League?

This is all about McCain trying to provide cover for voicing support for Ward Connerly's anti-affirmative action initiative in Arizona.

You know the first thing a White person against affirmative action wants you to believe: that they can be against affirmative action and not be racist.

"The best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people that are unemployed..."

Obama, dude... Not helping. It's like Harvard failed you. Like you don't know what reparations are. Brown vs. Board and all that MLK civil rights stuff (and affirmative action) is supposed to be about that good schools and jobs stuff.

"Chris Rock had a routine. He said some-too many of our men..."

Obama, dude... NOT helping. You know that sh*t came from Rock's "N*ggers vs. Black people" routine. It's like Harvard failed you, quoting a comedian... It's like you subscribe to some of that Juan Williams bs that Black people have become more than one race.