DISQUS

You are making a valid point with your analogy. As I understand you, you are saying something like 'If God is there, and He is as loving and caring as some profess Him to be, then it should be more evident to us. If He is truly loving, why does He hide Himself from those that desire a more intimate relationship with Him? Why is He so distant etc...?' There is one thing though: In the analogy, you omit to say that around this person who is receiving these letters from this woman are many evidences of her existence. As he walks along the street there are trees that have been planted by her, gardens created in infinite beauty by her. Even the sky is a result of her creativity, etc... Of course the analogy fails because no woman can do such things, and therefore the evidence that is pointed to by the scriptures to the existence of God cannot be included in your story. If God is a figment, you have still to explain the existence of an incredibly complex universe, and the explanations put forward by evolutionists are weakening more and more as more information is found about life in all of its intricacy.

'A quote from you: "now that my faith demands proof, I'm waiting for the sign from God." I'm sorry that you can't see God, (or the Creator) in what He has created. As I've said many times, I can't not believe in God. "The heavens tell the glory of God, and the skies announce what his hands have made. Day after day they tell the story; night after night they tell it again. They have no speech or words; they have no voice to be heard. But their message goes out through all the world; their words go everywhere on earth." It seems nonsense to me to claim that the impersonal created the personal, and mindlessness can create minds. My children were not created from a chance combination of atoms, and their personalities did not come from some ever-existent cloud of dust. The evidence for the existence of God is always around us for all to see. To demand our own special proof is perhaps a little unreasonable, and is maybe saying to God, "I will not exercise faith. You must provide extra absolute proof just for me". If the magnificence of creation isn't enough proof, then nothing will satisfy. Many believers have learned faith through trials, while many harden their hearts because of trials. Each must choose, but remember that to harden the heart is to unknowingly become harder of personality, and to lose the gentleness and love that we once had.

A quote from Anthony Flew "If you walk down the beach and you see ripples in the sand, it's logical to say that's a complex arrangement of the sand that the waves produced. But if you walk down the beach and you see "John Loves Mary" and a big heart around it and an arrow through it, you wouldn't think the waves produced it. It's information with content. The biological information of a living organism is biological information. Nature can't produce that. It takes intelligence to produce information. Whenever we see a novel or a cave painting or data on a computer, we know there's an intelligence behind it. When we look at the four-letter chemical alphabet of DNA and how it spells out the precise assembly instructions for every protein out of which our body is built, to me that points in the direction of an intelligence behind it. It isn't just complexity."

There is no end to the theories of those that want to put God out of their thinking. Theories like yours can be in my opinion cop-outs. For those that want to ignore the fact that the universe we live in is too fabulously complex for life to have evolved, and perfectly balanced for complex life forms such as man, there are many new theories about multiple universes etc. These and countless other new theories are able to be thought up. There is a veritable endless smorgasboard of ideas to enable us to avoid what our common sense and conscience tells us - that God is there.

A quote from Anthony Flew "If you walk down the beach and you see ripples in the sand, it's logical to say that's a complex arrangement of the sand that the waves produced. But if you walk down the beach and you see "John Loves Mary" and a big heart around it and an arrow through it, you wouldn't think the waves produced it. It's information with content. The biological information of a living organism is biological information. Nature can't produce that. It takes intelligence to produce information. Whenever we see a novel or a cave painting or data on a computer, we know there's an intelligence behind it. When we look at the four-letter chemical alphabet of DNA and how it spells out the precise assembly instructions for every protein out of which our body is built, to me that points in the direction of an intelligence behind it. It isn't just complexity."

There is no end to the theories of those that want to put God out of their thinking. Theories like yours can be in my opinion cop-outs. For those that want to ignore the fact that the universe we live in is too fabulously complex for life to have evolved, and perfectly balanced for complex life forms such as man, there are many new theories about multiple universes etc. These and countless other new theories are able to be thought up. There is a veritable endless smorgasboard of ideas to enable us to avoid what our common sense and conscience tells us - that God is there.

It's good that you're being forced (in a sense) to think through all that you accepted by faith in what others have assured you is true. I believe, (have faith), that God is there. There is too much incredible complexity in creation and too much information in even the smallest life-forms on even the cellular level to believe otherwise. You can give this intelligence any name you choose, but he is still the Creator. I also believe that if you are as honest as you (and I), believe you are, then you will eventually come to a true knowledge of Him. I would suggest though that the heart of man is pretty dishonest and will look for reasons to disbelieve if he feels cheated by God, is afraid of God, or is angry at God. Be honestly sure of your own motives.

It's good that you're being forced (in a sense) to think through all that you accepted by faith in what others have assured you is true. I believe, (have faith), that God is there. There is too much incredible complexity in creation and too much information in even the smallest life-forms on even the cellular level to believe otherwise. You can give this intelligence any name you choose, but he is still the Creator. I also believe that if you are as honest as you (and I), believe you are, then you will eventually come to a true knowledge of Him. I would suggest though that the heart of man is pretty dishonest and will look for reasons to disbelieve if he feels cheated by God, is afraid of God, or is angry at God. Be honestly sure of your own motives.

You are making a valid point with your analogy. As I understand you, you are saying something like 'If God is there, and He is as loving and caring as some profess Him to be, then it should be more evident to us. If He is truly loving, why does He hide Himself from those that desire a more intimate relationship with Him? Why is He so distant etc...?' There is one thing though: In the analogy, you omit to say that around this person who is receiving these letters from this woman are many evidences of her existence. As he walks along the street there are trees that have been planted by her, gardens created in infinite beauty by her. Even the sky is a result of her creativity, etc... Of course the analogy fails because no woman can do such things, and therefore the evidence that is pointed to by the scriptures to the existence of God cannot be included in your story. If God is a figment, you have still to explain the existence of an incredibly complex universe, and the explanations put forward by evolutionists are weakening more and more as more information is found about life in all of its intricacy.

'A quote from you: "now that my faith demands proof, I'm waiting for the sign from God." I'm sorry that you can't see God, (or the Creator) in what He has created. As I've said many times, I can't not believe in God. "The heavens tell the glory of God, and the skies announce what his hands have made. ?Day after day they tell the story; night after night they tell it again. ?They have no speech or words; they have no voice to be heard. But their message goes out through all the world; their words go everywhere on earth." It seems nonsense to me to claim that the impersonal created the personal, and mindlessness can create minds. My children were not created from a chance combination of atoms, and their personalities did not come from some ever-existent cloud of dust. The evidence for the existence of God is always around us for all to see. To demand our own special proof is perhaps a little unreasonable, and is maybe saying to God, "I will not exercise faith. You must provide extra absolute proof just for me". If the magnificence of creation isn't enough proof, then nothing will satisfy. Many believers have learned faith through trials, while many harden their hearts because of trials. Each must choose, but remember that to harden the heart is to unknowingly become harder of personality, and to lose the gentleness and love that we once had.

A quote from Anthony Flew "If you walk down the beach and you see ripples in the sand, it's logical to say that's a complex arrangement of the sand that the waves produced. But if you walk down the beach and you see "John Loves Mary" and a big heart around it and an arrow through it, you wouldn't think the waves produced it. It's information with content. The biological information of a living organism is biological information. Nature can't produce that. It takes intelligence to produce information. Whenever we see a novel or a cave painting or data on a computer, we know there's an intelligence behind it. When we look at the four-letter chemical alphabet of DNA and how it spells out the precise assembly instructions for every protein out of which our body is built, to me that points in the direction of an intelligence behind it. It isn't just complexity."


There is no end to the theories of those that want to put God out of their thinking. Theories like yours can be in my opinion cop-outs. For those that want to ignore the fact that the universe we live in is too fabulously complex for life to have evolved, and perfectly balanced for complex life forms such as man, there are many new theories about multiple universes etc. These and countless other new theories are able to be thought up. There is a veritable endless smorgasboard of ideas to enable us to avoid what our common sense and conscience tells us - that God is there.

It's good that you're being forced (in a sense) to think through all that you accepted by faith in what others have assured you is true. I believe, (have faith), that God is there. There is too much incredible complexity in creation and too much information in even the smallest life-forms on even the cellular level to believe otherwise. You can give this intelligence any name you choose, but he is still the Creator. I also believe that if you are as honest as you (and I), believe you are, then you will eventually come to a true knowledge of Him. I would suggest though that the heart of man is pretty dishonest and will look for reasons to disbelieve if he feels cheated by God, is afraid of God, or is angry at God. Be honestly sure of your own motives.