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6 months ago
in In new video, Rick Warren accuses gays of "hateful attacks," "hate speech," "Christ-ophobia," and of being "evil" on AMERICAblog
So, my original comment outed me as someone who doesn't read the blog regularly. If someone who doesn't post comments here regularly and then does so when he finds one post to be odiously dishonest makes me a troll, then I guess I am one.
However, drawing from that the conclusion that I am one of "Warren's little stooges" requires skills in dishonest reporting of data as finely honed as those that Aravosis displays above.
However, drawing from that the conclusion that I am one of "Warren's little stooges" requires skills in dishonest reporting of data as finely honed as those that Aravosis displays above.
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RitornaVincitor
How silly, Thomas.
6 months ago
in In new video, Rick Warren accuses gays of "hateful attacks," "hate speech," "Christ-ophobia," and of being "evil" on AMERICAblog
John was a bit lazy in his linking, but those quotes do exist. The link in the post goes directly to the third of three sections of the "News and Views" video, without obvious links to the other sections (they're under the "recent posts" header in the right sidebar). The quotes about bloggers appear in section 1; I believe the other quotes are in section 2.
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wearing out my F key
oh, well. that's a relief. i'll check out the whole thing before pontificating further.
6 months ago
in In new video, Rick Warren accuses gays of "hateful attacks," "hate speech," "Christ-ophobia," and of being "evil" on AMERICAblog
Indeed. A few judicious insertions of qualifying words like "detractors" and "opponents" next to "gays" and "Americans" in the post above would have made a world of difference.
Whatever. If you're all happy railing against Aravosis's straw opponents, that's fine. I'm outta here so that I can go oppose some flesh-and-blood bigots and call them out for stuff that they actually say.
Whatever. If you're all happy railing against Aravosis's straw opponents, that's fine. I'm outta here so that I can go oppose some flesh-and-blood bigots and call them out for stuff that they actually say.
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RitornaVincitor
Don't forget to go after Rick Warren and the people who supported canceling my marriage because I am gay. I think they would qualify as flesh-and-blood bigots.
6 months ago
in In new video, Rick Warren accuses gays of "hateful attacks," "hate speech," "Christ-ophobia," and of being "evil" on AMERICAblog
Rick Warren's exclusion of gays from his church, his aggressive and patently dishonest campaigning for Proposition 8, his opposition to full and unfettered access to healthcare by women, and many other failings all conspire to make him a completely unsuitable choice to give the invocation at Obama's inauguration. Those factors do not, however, conspire to give John Aravosis license to intentionally mis-report facts. Warren uses all the words that Aravosis says he did. He just doesn't say them about all gay and lesbian Americans, as Aravosis says he does.
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ChrisSF
No, just the LGBT Americans who quite legitimately criticize him for his well documented views and political activity. If they agree to be celibate or try to change their sexual orientation, he is just fine with them.
RitornaVincitor
How silly, Thomas.
6 months ago
in In new video, Rick Warren accuses gays of "hateful attacks," "hate speech," "Christ-ophobia," and of being "evil" on AMERICAblog
Did you watch the video? Warren addresses this topic at length in the first section. I don't agree with his views on gay marriage or sex at all. But I also completely reject the notion that Warren has *equated* homosexuality with incest & pedophilia. Compared them? Yes. Used them in the same paragraph? Yes. Equated? Only in the eyes/ears of a reader/listener completely lacking in critical thinking skills.
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tlsintx
keep reading the blog, Thomas.
Mark in Florida
Thomas-
To even mention these issues in the same sentence is creating a connection in peoples minds. It is the art of taking two completely un-related events, and by repetition making them connect. It's called 'truthiness'.
Pedophelia, gay people and incest are mutually exclusive events. Most pedophiles are straight. That does not mean that if you are straight you are a pedophile. So why even speak of it in the same breath? Warren does this specifially to create doubt and draw conclusions.
These issues are no more related than potted plants and circus clowns.
To even mention these issues in the same sentence is creating a connection in peoples minds. It is the art of taking two completely un-related events, and by repetition making them connect. It's called 'truthiness'.
Pedophelia, gay people and incest are mutually exclusive events. Most pedophiles are straight. That does not mean that if you are straight you are a pedophile. So why even speak of it in the same breath? Warren does this specifially to create doubt and draw conclusions.
These issues are no more related than potted plants and circus clowns.
6 months ago
in In new video, Rick Warren accuses gays of "hateful attacks," "hate speech," "Christ-ophobia," and of being "evil" on AMERICAblog
This is why I don't read this blog any more. Aravosis lies too much. His mischaracterization of what Warren says in the video is completely dishonest and is designed to advance his argument at the expense of honest reporting and discourse. He completely stoops far below the opposition with this crap of calling out specific accusations that Warren makes against his detractors, or in some cases a specific subset of his detractors, and saying that he leveled those claims at all gay and lesbian people . It is shameful, dishonest, and harmful to the movement for marriage equality. I am disgusted. Serves me right for following Twitter retweet links.
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tlsintx
Saddleback troll
this is what Rick Warren's brand of love and caring does for the gay community:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/22/lesbia...
this is what Rick Warren's brand of love and caring does for the gay community:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/22/lesbia...
frank
I viewed the video with the left side of my brain. I had to stop the video 2 minutes in, Nausea. I swear to GOD he makes me ill.
