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4 months ago
in Free to blog but accountable you are. The Supreme Court of India weighs in on blogging and online expression. on /home/dhananjay
Also, you might want to check out this post that highlights how companies and organizations tend to seek refuge in this law to stifle criticism:
http://kafila.org/2009/02/25/bloggers-and-defam...
It addresses your points about being a criminal case as well. The author is part of a collective of lawyers who engage with issues of law, legality and power.
http://kafila.org/2009/02/25/bloggers-and-defam...
It addresses your points about being a criminal case as well. The author is part of a collective of lawyers who engage with issues of law, legality and power.
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4 months ago
in Free to blog but accountable you are. The Supreme Court of India weighs in on blogging and online expression. on /home/dhananjay
Responded to your comment via email. But for sake of continuity, here is my response:
Validity of death threats can be debated. As long as the death threat is not credible as judged by the authorities and the plaintiff faces no imminent danger, it can be excused as impassioned utterances. But that's besides the point. Hauling up a moderator who has little idea of who those anonymous commenters are makes little sense. Was Orkut requested details of the anonymous commenter's IP address? The intent of the Sena was clearly to shut down the group and not react to a death threat. Sena activists have threatened worse for far less utterance (no justification though).
Anyway, re: personal preference of “responsible civility”, it is exactly that - personal. I don't want yours or anyone else's personal preference to impinge on my rights. Not that I do but if I choose to debate using certain words, all you can do is ignore me and not agree with my choice of words. Other people may be fine with certain choice words that you may find offensive. This preference for "responsible civility" can be extended to stand-up comedians as well. Are you going to restrict them from using the F-word?
Anyway, Indian Penal Code is extremely restrictive so I can't say the law is on my side but I'm arguing for the spirit of the law and maturity of a society. Check out my blog for a post that I just made (linked to you as well)
Validity of death threats can be debated. As long as the death threat is not credible as judged by the authorities and the plaintiff faces no imminent danger, it can be excused as impassioned utterances. But that's besides the point. Hauling up a moderator who has little idea of who those anonymous commenters are makes little sense. Was Orkut requested details of the anonymous commenter's IP address? The intent of the Sena was clearly to shut down the group and not react to a death threat. Sena activists have threatened worse for far less utterance (no justification though).
Anyway, re: personal preference of “responsible civility”, it is exactly that - personal. I don't want yours or anyone else's personal preference to impinge on my rights. Not that I do but if I choose to debate using certain words, all you can do is ignore me and not agree with my choice of words. Other people may be fine with certain choice words that you may find offensive. This preference for "responsible civility" can be extended to stand-up comedians as well. Are you going to restrict them from using the F-word?
Anyway, Indian Penal Code is extremely restrictive so I can't say the law is on my side but I'm arguing for the spirit of the law and maturity of a society. Check out my blog for a post that I just made (linked to you as well)
4 months ago
in Free to blog but accountable you are. The Supreme Court of India weighs in on blogging and online expression. on /home/dhananjay
The law is undoubtedly stifling in terms of freedom of speech in India given the myriad exceptions. You cite responsibility in expression but you do not define standards of responsibility. Any person or organization that faces criticism is bound to take refuge under the condition of 'offense' to squelch any such expression. Narendra Modi could effectively sue NDTV or Rajdeep Sardesai for their post-Godra riots coverage effectively squashing any investigative reporting. As long as one does not cause or lead to physical harm, any speech is justifiable.
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Dhananjay Nene
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Per the press coverage which I pointed out to in this case the matter stemmed from a death threat issued in the forum. That makes it a matter for criminal investigation, not just civil libel or freedom of speech. From a legal perspective, getting a forum moderator (that the forum was moderatable is my assumption) to appear in a court is quite reasonable in this case.
From a non-legal perspective I would still go by http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_I... rather than cook up my own definitions. It is funny how we often cite our constitution when expressing our rights and conveniently forget it when realising our duties (refer to clause e). That someone violates it does not give everyone else the right to violate it as well. As I said, this is more of an ethical response not one based on law. Hence it could be likely that our opinions diverge. But that does not mean we get down to derogatory and/or hateful messages. There is a way to conduct that debate in an environment of responsible civility. Thats the responsibility I meant.
I remember in the NDTV / Chaitanya Kunte episode, someone called Barkha Dutt a (I am not using the word here since I do find it quite offensive but you can reverse search on google to get it if thats particularly important) "common name of the larval phase of development in insects of the order Diptera (flies)". That expression per your non physical harm definition could perhaps be quite justifiable. It certainly does not meet my personal preference of "responsible civility".
Per the press coverage which I pointed out to in this case the matter stemmed from a death threat issued in the forum. That makes it a matter for criminal investigation, not just civil libel or freedom of speech. From a legal perspective, getting a forum moderator (that the forum was moderatable is my assumption) to appear in a court is quite reasonable in this case.
From a non-legal perspective I would still go by http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_I... rather than cook up my own definitions. It is funny how we often cite our constitution when expressing our rights and conveniently forget it when realising our duties (refer to clause e). That someone violates it does not give everyone else the right to violate it as well. As I said, this is more of an ethical response not one based on law. Hence it could be likely that our opinions diverge. But that does not mean we get down to derogatory and/or hateful messages. There is a way to conduct that debate in an environment of responsible civility. Thats the responsibility I meant.
I remember in the NDTV / Chaitanya Kunte episode, someone called Barkha Dutt a (I am not using the word here since I do find it quite offensive but you can reverse search on google to get it if thats particularly important) "common name of the larval phase of development in insects of the order Diptera (flies)". That expression per your non physical harm definition could perhaps be quite justifiable. It certainly does not meet my personal preference of "responsible civility".
4 months ago
in Slumdog Millionaire on Tatvam
Sanjay,
"The question was less about SDM per se and more about the tendency of the West to always award prizes to the seamiest & ugliest representations of India. Satyajit Ray’s harsh depictions winning accolades in the West was cited as an example."
So? Aren't certain western stereotypes prevalent in India as well? We don't see those countries getting worked up over them. Insecurity on your part? Or are you just pissed because a Westerner 'dared' to show Indian poverty and you would have been fine if an Indian filmmaker did it.
And if you think Satyajit Ray's movies were only about "harsh depicitions" of India then I'm sorry to say that you don't understand cinema. I would recommend Govinda flicks for you. You'll find happiness.
Note to myself: must resist this "someone is wrong on the Internet" behavior.
"The question was less about SDM per se and more about the tendency of the West to always award prizes to the seamiest & ugliest representations of India. Satyajit Ray’s harsh depictions winning accolades in the West was cited as an example."
So? Aren't certain western stereotypes prevalent in India as well? We don't see those countries getting worked up over them. Insecurity on your part? Or are you just pissed because a Westerner 'dared' to show Indian poverty and you would have been fine if an Indian filmmaker did it.
And if you think Satyajit Ray's movies were only about "harsh depicitions" of India then I'm sorry to say that you don't understand cinema. I would recommend Govinda flicks for you. You'll find happiness.
Note to myself: must resist this "someone is wrong on the Internet" behavior.
4 months ago
in Slumdog Millionaire on Tatvam
Taking offense to anything, not hockey (or is it kabaddi?), should be our national pastime as evidenced by the recent 'barber' controversy as well. The problem is that the vociferous stupid minority that utters such inanity gets enough publicity to be considered as a legitimate voice of the people. Or perhaps as Lekhni pointed out, we are indeed prickly about anyone else talking or commenting about things we are ashamed of (poverty, etc.).
9 months ago
in Google Adsense on Marketing Pilgrim Targeting “Suicide Bombers” - EPIC FAIL! on Marketing Pilgrim
is there any site that would make that site contextual apart from sites we rather not see? Google won't accept gambling ads but suicide bomber ads are fine? You're right; FAIL!
12 months ago
in WordPress 2.6 Has Been Released on Techie Buzz
Keith, I used your automatic upgrade plugin to upgrade to 2.6. It usually works like a charm (except for reactivation of plugins but that's ok) but this time around it broke my upgrade process. It seems that it had not uploaded wp-upload.php to the root. This is a new file in the WP root. Any reason why it did not?
I manually uploaded that file and continued with the database upgrade process. It worked fine after that.
I manually uploaded that file and continued with the database upgrade process. It worked fine after that.
1 year ago
in To move to Tumblr… on Almost As Good As Chocolate
Better still, use a Tumblr-like theme on this blog. Check out Tumblejack or for a live demo, visit my urban planning blog.
1 year ago
in Urgent WordPress Automatic Upgrade Update on Techie Buzz
Thanks for the quick fix. However, there is a problem with reactivating the plugins. After upgrading the database, clicking on the next step link takes you to the first page of WPAU Manage screen. I had to go and manually reactivate the plugins. Based on twitter, few other people have also faced that issue.
1 year ago
in Google Pagerank Update in Progress on Sizlopedia
When you say, "Use very less outbound links on your posts/web pages", do you mean all those archive and category links on the front page of most blogs are a bad thing? And how about filter blogs like Instapundit, Kottke, etc. that do mostly external linking?
1 year ago
in Boy Oh Boy!! on Almost As Good As Chocolate
Congrats! This calls for a celebration; double one at that.
1 year ago
in The End of CPM Ads on Gauravonomics Blog
I think CPM ads still hold some value. Just because you haven't clicked on an ad doesn't mean it hasn't registered with you. CPM ads, IMO work best on niche high-traffic blogs. E.g. movie ads on a movie review blog.
1 year ago
in Digital Inspiration is Now Advertising on Facebook on Gauravonomics Blog
Honestly, I don't think he needs any advertising. He is already in the big leagues among tech and lifehack bloggers.
1 year ago
in I am not Amit Varma on Domain Maximus
Sigh! I never get such emails. I wonder how far below I am in the list if 'only' 300 separate you and Amit.
BTW that number just conjured up images of Leonidas 'Amit Sparta holding off the hordes of Sidin. Brrrr!
BTW that number just conjured up images of Leonidas 'Amit Sparta holding off the hordes of Sidin. Brrrr!
1 year ago
in Selamat Datang! on Domain Maximus
Apparently, Scott Adams of the Dilbert fame had the same idea about a book. His book hit the shelves today and has a cool wacky title. Wondering what will you name yours.
1 year ago
in A Starbucks in the College Library? on Gauravonomics Blog
Ah! You're back... BTW I don't understand if Barista and Cafe Coffee Day has caught on in India, why don't we have independent coffee shops in business yet? Any idea?
1 year ago
in Reality Cheque on Domain Maximus
You expected Rediff readers (commenters?) to understand sarcastic humor? Tsk Tsk..Sidin, you haven't done enough research on the place you publish. BTW don't pull your articles from Rediff. Keep publishing. The ones who don't comment get you. The ones who don't never will. So why not earn a dime or two from the ignorance of the buggers? The comments make for much merriment anyway.
2 years ago
in Welcome to the new Domain Maximus! on Domain Maximus
Whoa! Congrats on finally getting your domain and joining the Wordpress community. Hopefully this gets you to blog more often.
2 years ago
in Better comments manager just got better on Techie Buzz
Thanks for the quick turnaround. Works like a charm now. But why did you get rid of the quicktags for comment replies?
2 years ago
in Better Comments Manager - Wordpress Plugin release on Techie Buzz
No problemo. Will await the AJAX version and then mention it on my blog. Thanks again.
2 years ago
in Desi Blogging Cafe: Patrix from Nerve Endings Firing Away on Gauravonomics Blog
Great! After all that natak about the pictures, you go ahead and post my silliest picture :) But thanks for your words. Appreciate it.
2 years ago
in Why You Cannot Make Quick Money Off Blogging on Gauravonomics Blog
Wise decision. No use diminishing the readers experience if it is not generating enough income. I yanked off Kontera after their support staff failed to reduce the no.of links to 5. Doing that got their attention and my problem was resolved almost overnight.
I too went through the high traffic thanks to Malakars and the World Cup and subsequent drop in earnings but then it isn't that bad yet to remove Adsense completely.
I too went through the high traffic thanks to Malakars and the World Cup and subsequent drop in earnings but then it isn't that bad yet to remove Adsense completely.
2 years ago
in My Technorati Favorites Exchange Program on Gauravonomics Blog
Nah! creates too much spam. I'll add you coz I like your content not because of some meme :)
2 years ago
in Desi Blog of the Day - Nerve Endings Firing Away by Patrix on Gauravonomics Blog
Thanks, man. Coming from a guy who has countless desi blogs on his radar, that is high praise indeed.

Thanks for the link. Definitely more interesting and a far more erudite explanation from a legal perspective than what I was able to muster. Very valid issues, but before and after these are resolved (and they should be resolved), Criminal charges are always likely to be treated differently than Civil charges. The solution is perhaps by working out the right gatekeeper for criminal charges, not by diluting the the yardsticks by which criminal charges once formally made should get treated.