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I learned that Dropps works its magic in everything from old-timey top-loaders to the smart HE models to the industrial-types at the laundromat :)

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I love the peace ring

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I've used Sun ever since I won it from you :)

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Mandy — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:06:36 -0000

The clam loaf sounds interesting :)

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Re: http://www.misscouturable.com/2008/06/who-needs-froyo.html

Mandy — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 06:35:00 -0000

Nutella is your friend. Eat your friend! (:

Re: http://www.misscouturable.com/2008/07/why-i-am-so-addicted-to-gmail.html

Mandy — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 02:46:00 -0000

Best dress? Dangg girl. Why don't you scan those pages so we can see it? (:

But...I like both Gucci and Chanel!

Re: http://www.misscouturable.com/2008/07/my-15-minutes-of-fame.html

Mandy — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:46:00 -0000

Congrats! Wow, you are JUST TOO CUTE. I just got my issue. (:

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Mandy — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:04:00 -0000

OH my, take cares sweetie!

Re: http://www.misscouturable.com/2008/07/significance-of-seventeen.html

Mandy — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:24:00 -0000

When I was little and read seventeen magazine, all I wanted to do was be seventeen. I was determined to read my April issue on my seventeen birthday. It didn't come on time. ...I spent the day being sad that I couldn't read a magazine for seventeens when I was finally seventeen.

But honestly, legal eighteen is the same as any other day.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/07/on-my-new-very-excitng-purchase.html

Mandy — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:25:44 -0000

That is incredibly exciting! Enjoy it and I cannot wait to see what fabulous pictures you take on your road trip.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/07/days-8-9-our-weekend-in-la.html

Mandy — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:24:05 -0000

Sounds like the perfect welcoming on the West Coast! I am glad that you were able to meet so many fabulous ladies.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/08/tomorrow.html

Mandy — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:14:21 -0000

You will be great!! Good luck!

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/08/my-new-job-backstreet-boys-teenage.html

Mandy — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:25:56 -0000

Reading this make me happy! You are going to do amazing things in your new position.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/08/few-okay-many-letters.html

Mandy — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:46:31 -0000

I'm not quite ready for summer to go either.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/08/i-dominated-html-or-is-it-css-meh.html

Mandy — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:44:15 -0000

Its adorable! I love the colors and the tabs.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/08/i-dominated-html-or-is-it-css-meh.html

Mandy — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:01:55 -0000

I think your blog looks fantastic. Congratulations on your "domination".

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/09/guilty.html

Mandy — Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:56:49 -0000

First off, I would like to say "Thank you" for writing this post. I know I am not the only one out there, and through reading your comments, I was able to gain many amazing ideas.

As for what works for me:

**Find ways to make the mess more acceptable**
I hang my laundry to dry on a rack in a room beside my bedroom. Then I just peruse said rack for my clothes instead of my actual closet. As for socks and undies and such, they are just in a basket in the same room. The "mess" is easily blocked out by closing the door if it becomes too much at any point, and I only put my laundry away when I have time to do so.

**Make meal time easier**
I buy the healthiest TV dinners I can find, and similar quick-and-dirty meal ideas. My all-time favorite: pre-sliced cheese, pre-sliced pizza meat, pizza sauce in a squirtable container & a pita.

**Find ways to simplify**
http://zenhabits.net/

**Make cleaning up easy**
I have cleaning supplies in every bathroom, my linen closet and my pantry. I spray my showers down with a cleaner as I give myself a moment to drip dry. If the sink or counter looks dirty when I'm brushing my teeth, I wipe it down. If my dog throws up, the paper towel is right there. I'm not saying my house is clean (far from it), but when the mess becomes too much I can still fit in a quick clean without spending too much time.

**Treat yourself**
Always worrying about what isn't getting done only serves to make the situation worse. So what if the dishes sit there for an extra 10 minutes while you read a few blogs? If it makes you feel better inside, it's worth it. As for your Etsy shop, what about doing one less custom order a week and one more new item?

I wish you all the best in finding the solution that works for you!! Just remember, you are definitely NOT alone!

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/09/six-happy-things.html

Mandy — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:01:50 -0000

I love that mug too! I agree with the first commenter its a very fun karaoke song. =)

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/09/life-is-good-repeat-as-needed.html

Mandy — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:58:49 -0000

I usually just grab the dog, get in the car and go for a drive into the country. It helps me clear my head. Watching the sunset reminds me that there are are greater things out there.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/09/im-not-good-with-goodbyes.html

Mandy — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:43:05 -0000

Love the photos. I am sad to see Summer go as well. I agree, bring on Fall (but I dont want winter to come!).

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/09/life-without-tv-or-how-mike-made-us.html

Mandy — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:21:23 -0000

I love this post. While I havent completely gone TV free I've cut back to maybe a few hours a week, I could very easily give it up all together. A few years ago I became tired of all the tv shows with no real plot and starting reading a lot more instead. I love watching tv series on DVD (Gilmore Girls, internet high five). A few other things I do without watching tv -- write notes to friends, play with my dog, hang out with friends.

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Mandy — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:54:00 -0000

It's hard to imagine life without tv. And yet, the thought of having one less distraction is quite enticing. While I doubt I will be convincing my other half (and if I'm completely honest, myself) that tv is unnecessary, I do intend to try and limit myself to watching recorded shows only. Bypassing commercials is definitely a great way to give myself a few more moments.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/09/welcome-change-of-plans-for-my-sunday.html

Mandy — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:23:45 -0000

Your aunt is a rockstar! Congrats on your new little cousin.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/10/was-september-even-here.html

Mandy — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:13:14 -0000

I'm not sure where September went either. I feel like I blinked and it was gone. Sometimes putting goals down like this, forces me to actually do them. Here's to a great October!

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/10/cookie-monster-could-totally-be-vegan.html

Mandy — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:37:09 -0000

This recipe sounds great. I've made vegeterian dishes for dinner twice this week (I'm not a vegeterian but am trying to eat healither). These sound delicious. I am totally going to make them! Thanks for sharing!

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/10/wanted-work-life-balance.html

Mandy — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:33:33 -0000

I agree -- it its something we all deserve and we have to figure out a way to make it that balance work for us.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/10/birthday-presentfor-you.html

Mandy — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:14:51 -0000

Happy Birhtday week! I love Shapries and do the exact same thing with my makeup.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/10/nubbins-of-news.html

Mandy — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:30:37 -0000

You will be an awesome Hermione! Please take pictures. I love this time of year with all the pumpkin goodies.

Re: Just a Part of the Whole

Mandy — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:39:00 -0000

Hey.
Spent some time on your blog... Found this one. wow.
You have such an amazing heart - I am amazed that you intentionally report how you're doing DESPITE your pain and disease.
This is inspiring. That you refuse to be defined by this. That you know you are more than this. That you live life outside of this and in spite of this.
You go Gitz! :) Thank you for sharing this with us. It's a treasure.

Re: Just a Part of the Whole

Mandy — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:39:00 -0000

oh. And I think I came over just to tell you that you're on my blogroll! :)

Did I forget to mention that? duh

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/06/nkotb.html

Mandy — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:11:00 -0000

HAHA!

So, from what I hear, I live in the area where Joey and the other guy grew up. Outside of Boston. Yeah. Your girl Nicole would know what I'm talking about. :)

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/06/wall-doodles.html

Mandy — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:10:00 -0000

OH WOW!!! I love this... And I'm so dang honored to have made your doodle wall...

Thank you. I'm so blessed to know that my words somehow blessed you and will continue to bless you.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/07/dogs-vs-kids.html

Mandy — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:09:00 -0000

That last sentence made me laugh out loud.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/09/paging-super-nanny.html

Mandy — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:06:00 -0000

Yeah. I'm thinking he's got you wrapped around his little paw.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/09/spoiled-rotten.html

Mandy — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:00:00 -0000

I've had the better than sex cake.
The title can be rather deceiving.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/09/peace.html

Mandy — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:50:00 -0000

"There were so many years of fighting to be who I had imagined I would be at this point in my life. And the fighting turned out to be more exhausting than the accepting."

You have quite a way with words sometimes.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/09/chaos.html

Mandy — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:47:00 -0000

At first, I used to think the little interruptions were annoying, but then had the same response - it's a sneak peek into their real lives... Into their everyday interactions. Being 1,000 miles away makes those moments all the more special.

Re: Week In The Life, Part 4

Mandy — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:39:00 -0000

I was gonna mention how much I loved your red vase, or that I am in great health and would still fear killing myself on one of those balls, or say something about swallowing 11 pills at once, or that I am lusting over your tub...

Then I read: "Most every gift I had, every talent I possessed, every freedom you can think of, I no longer have."

Speechless.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/10/i-have-no-filter.html

Mandy — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:21:00 -0000

HAHAHAHA!!!

Now, THAT was good.
:)
I'll be back for more, Sara.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/10/wee-bit-giddy.html

Mandy — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:29:00 -0000

:)
This is awesome!!! I remember the first time I got a card from a blog friend. It was amazing... And crazy to hold something in my hands that she held in hers - you know, because these relationships are all so... digital.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/10/i-got-churched.html

Mandy — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:06:00 -0000

Wow. Interesting to know that you can so relate, even though from such different backgrounds. Powerful.

I think this could help many pastors/church planters in how they relate to others.... wow.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/10/trick-or-treat.html

Mandy — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:20:00 -0000

My BFF has a bichon frise who looks a lot like your pup. She likes to dye his hair different colors for different seasons.

A pack of kool-aid + 1 solo cup + 1 bathtub + 1 wet pup = COLOR!!!

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/11/lemonade.html

Mandy — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:16:00 -0000

ugh. so true

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/11/peek-boo.html

Mandy — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:16:00 -0000

You're so fun to read.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/11/invincible.html

Mandy — Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:14:00 -0000

I'm sitting here, at my desk at work, by myself, reading this outloud and saying "mmm.hhhmmm.." yes. I hear the poetry. It's all wrapped up in the 'i' sound in: In, mIdst, wInter, In, InvIncIble.... brings out the word invincible in a crazy way.

Wishing could write like that. LOVE seeing snippets of your walladoodles!

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/11/prayers.html

Mandy — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:48:00 -0000

Wow... Glad that you pushed through. Also glad that you have a friend like Susie, who'll be your blogging ghost writer when you're down. Thanks Susie!

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/12/thanks-and-giving.html

Mandy — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:45:00 -0000

Dang, Gitz. I checked out to go home for Thanksgiving and it seems like I missed a lot.
Glad you are back.
I'm back too. We can be two backs together.
:)

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/12/savor-your-moments.html

Mandy — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:22:00 -0000

I didn't have a camera either, when I stumbled through a "forest" in my nephew's neighborhood - following a 3-year-old around as he fought off tarmonsters and pirates with a stick/sword. His mom would've killed me for letting him fall down and nearly stab his arm, but I wouldn't have traded that "big boy" moment for anything. No camera. But the moment? it was savored...

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/12/by-chimney-with-care.html

Mandy — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:16:00 -0000

You have a piano... But, do I remember correctly that you don't play?

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/12/blog-buttons.html

Mandy — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:15:00 -0000

This is so fantastic. You are crafty! In a high-tech sort of way. :)

I'm guessing these are collections from the famous wall o' happiness? wow...

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/12/flashback-friday-vacations-at-mt.html

Mandy — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:13:00 -0000

Ok. Seriously? This is all like something out of the twilight zone...
nuns. pigs. singing strange songs. wow

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/12/breath-of-heaven.html

Mandy — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:08:00 -0000

Thank you for posting this.

I can't decide if it would've been cathartic or bittersweet, but either way, thank you.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/12/breath-of-heaven.html

Mandy — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:16:00 -0000

And, since there are seven more, can we get another one... or seven?

Re: Off The Table

Mandy — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:18:00 -0000

"Powerful Post, Gitz"

...That's what I wanted to type. And leave it there. Short and simple.

But then I remembered what you told Tam, and I decided to change my comment:

"Very Powerful Post, Gitz"

;)

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/12/canvas-for-christmas-day-1.html

Mandy — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:11:00 -0000

Nope. Wait. HERE'S where I say I missed all the fun, bc I like the red one better than the tan one. But, seriously, you have a bazillion comments. :(
I probably won't win up there...

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/12/canvas-for-christmas-day-2.html

Mandy — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:09:00 -0000

DANG I MISSED THE FUN!!!

I'm the brat who wants to open presents WAY before Christmas ever arrives.

My husband is the brat who INSISTS on following the rules. All the time. With EVERYTHING. So, no early openings.

Help. I think I married a pharisee.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/12/emmanuel-god-with-us.html

Mandy — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:16:00 -0000

OOOOOH!!! YAY ANOTHER ONE!
:)

Thank you!

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2008/12/i-winner-part-2.html

Mandy — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:09:00 -0000

I was wondering what your second win was. :)

ps: could that sentence have had more w's in it??

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/02/hdg-being-reduced.html

Mandy — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:35:00 -0000

Love it! That canvas is beautiful! :-)

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/02/i-love-jesus-but-i-drink-little.html

Mandy — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:34:00 -0000

I LOVE Ellen!!!!! 8-)

Recent blog post: MckYESSSSSS!!!

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/04/hdg-its-all-in-tone.html

Mandy — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:35:00 -0000

You are just so lovely.

Recent blog post: I was featured!

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/04/gaggle-of-children.html

Mandy — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:38:00 -0000

You are so flippin cute, Sara. May I come to Iowa and watch a J&K+8 marathon with you sometime?

My friend Angela really loves this show, but like you recently, I haven't seen it yet. I'm sure it's lovely, though I think watching that many kids at once might just give me the birth control to change my mind about kids once and for all!! :-D

Recent blog post: Worst. Tournament. Ever.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/04/gaggle-of-children.html

Mandy — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:43:00 -0000

Awesome! I'm also happy to marathon LOST, The Office, Grey's, The Mole, or,
well, pretty much anything, really.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/04/gaggle-of-children.html

Mandy — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:48:00 -0000

Oh. My. Gosh. Not only will I watch them with you, I'll bring them to you.
Have all of them on DVD. No joke.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/04/gaggle-of-children.html

Mandy — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:56:00 -0000

Sydney Bristow, oh how I miss you. I don't watch Brothers & Sisters, but I
do watch Eli Stone, and I still say "It's Jack!" every time I see the guy
who played Jack Bristow. And then there's the Heroes guy who was Weiss, who
was also the pilot on LOST.
Man, I watch too much TV.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/04/hdg-miracles-abound.html

Mandy — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:00:00 -0000

I love this post!! Stellan has been my miracle lately too. What an incredible woman Jennifer is, and what an incredible family she has!

Recent blog post: Worst. Tournament. Ever.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/04/two-giveaways-in-one-week.html

Mandy — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:42:00 -0000

I've been interested in this book since I saw it on Matthew's blog. I'm not big on the emotional "God spoke to me" side of this, though I'm sure it happens, but rather a "God opens and closes doors" kind of speaking. It would be interesting to know what she thinks of it.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/04/hdg-be-church.html

Mandy — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:24:00 -0000

I love your outlook on life. You always make me smile.

I think about the times my neighbors have helped us out in some form or another. I've lived in the same house pretty much all my life, and have had more or less the same neighbors. Whether it's painting a room, throwing me an incredible bridal shower, or lending a cup of sugar, they're always there, and they're always family.

Recent blog post: How Special?

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/05/identity-crisis.html

Mandy — Wed, 13 May 2009 14:33:00 -0000

HAPPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!

I’d have to say that my favorite birthday present was my first date with Jack (my now-husband) – he’s 7 years older than me, so we weren’t allowed to date when we were first “interested” in each other. When I turned 18, though, my parents let us go on one date (though we still wouldn’t be allowed to start “dating” until I left for college). Jack kept teasing me about taking me to McDonalds (I did NOT just have to correct the spelling of that because I accidently typed “MckDonalds”).

On the day of, I got all dressed up in a dress, and he showed up in jeans and a country-type button down shirt. I assumed we’d be going to Trail Dust, a country-western steakhouse with a dance floor and a giant slide (a place I love), so I wanted to change, but he wouldn’t let me. We got in the car and drove off, and he actually did take me to McDonald’s! There, we walked in to find one of his friends waiting for us. Jack and he traded car keys, and we drove off in the friend’s Z4! Evidently, Jack didn’t know how to drive a stick-shift, so he had borrowed his boss’s truck the week before so he could learn how to drive it just so he could take me on the date in this car.

We got in the super-fancy Z4 and started driving again, this time back to my house. When we arrived, he told me I was “a little too fancy,” and I was relieved and thought I would get to change. “No, you’re too fancy for me, so I’m going to change.” He had stashed a suit and tie at my parents’ house, and went in to change his clothes, coming out all fancy-looking.

He drove me to a really nice restaurant that I’d always wanted to go to, and when we arrived I was so surprised. Even after he pulled into the parking lot, I kept asking “Are we really going to III Forks!?” The dinner was absolutely incredible, and I never felt so fancy in my life. There were real towels in the bathroom, for crying out loud! It was amazing. Afterward, we came home and watched a movie together. It was a perfect evening.

I don’t remember what he bought me that year, but I do remember the planning that went into that super-special date, and that memory was definitely the best gift I could have gotten.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/05/spring-awakening.html

Mandy — Tue, 19 May 2009 11:49:00 -0000

Wow! It looks fabulous! I need to learn how to make my patio look like that! And I love the Christmas tree!! :-D

Recent blog post: A picture riddle

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/05/spring-awakening.html

Mandy — Wed, 20 May 2009 00:56:14 -0000

I like it too!!

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/05/watch-where-you-step.html

Mandy — Wed, 20 May 2009 13:33:28 -0000

That's what I love about blogging too!! It just never works out when you try to keep a journal, does it?

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/05/hawk.html

Mandy — Thu, 21 May 2009 16:09:15 -0000

Oh, I am SO giving Maggie a mohawk!!! That's so funny. And at least he pees on your KITCHEN floor. Maggie pees on... well... anything.

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Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/05/his-plans.html

Mandy — Wed, 27 May 2009 11:06:52 -0000

You might just be my favorite thing about Wednesdays. :)

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Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/06/sponsored-by-sesame-street-kind-of.html

Mandy — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:38:35 -0000

Ahhh, adorable Sara. Are anyone's authorings as admirable as yours? Always acing all arguments and animatedly addressing appealing affairs. Ack! An appetite for alliteration almost annihilated my ability to adequately answer!

Let's hear about APPAREL! (I don't think anybody said this one!) We all know you're gorgeous - what do you wear that makes you feel pretty? :-D

Recent blog post: "Not Me Monday" is back, baby!

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/06/hdg-love-is-in-details.html

Mandy — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:07:34 -0000

I LOOOOVE details!! I say "the love is in the details" all the time when I'm making something stupidly detailed for someone.

The first thing that came to mind for me was my bridal shower - my incredible neighbors put together a gorgeous bridal shower, and one of them made this crazy banner that said "Jack and Mandy" in script, another made a bustier cake, and another wrapped plastic-ware in napkins and tied ribbons around each one!! It totally made me feel loved.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2458317&id=8331742&l=20077458b2

Recent blog post: Okay, TAMU, you got my freaking attention

Re: http://michellesfamilyjournal.blogspot.com/2008/01/blog-carnival-giveaway.html

Mandy — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:55:00 -0000

I'm excited about this give away! Please enter me in as well. I have been wanting the Deceptively Delicious book for awhile.

Re: http://michellesfamilyjournal.blogspot.com/2008/01/blog-carnival-giveaway.html

Mandy — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:55:00 -0000

Please count me in as well! thanks!

Re: http://triplesmalaysia.blogspot.com/2009/09/some-sweet-bites.html

Mandy — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:44:15 -0000

i wish i was there..
but i wont miss their persona concert for sure...

Re: http://triplesmalaysia.blogspot.com/2009/09/photos-in-press-con.html

Mandy — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:24:56 -0000

hi ,jen..
thx 4 sharing to those who couldn't attend to the fanmeeting..
it was great..
thank you so much..

Re: http://triplesmalaysia.blogspot.com/2009/09/small-request-hope-it-will-be-granted.html

Mandy — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 07:29:38 -0000

thx jen for your effort..
sure do hope that they will wear it..
hehe..

Re: http://triplesmalaysia.blogspot.com/2009/09/urgent-thank-you-note.html

Mandy — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:39:08 -0000

hi WM,
thanks for bringing SS501 here in Malaysia..
you've made our dreams come true.. even though i wasn't there on that day..
thank you so muchy!!!

Re: http://triplesmalaysia.blogspot.com/2009/09/get-well-soon-message-to-hyunjoong.html

Mandy — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 05:01:09 -0000

김현중 화이팅!!

Re: Our First Big Snow

Mandy — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:33:00 -0000

Rebecca (above me) said it...I wish it would snow, too! It was 75 in my town today!!

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2008/09/finding-old-disposable-camera.html

Mandy — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 16:43:00 -0000

It is always fun to come across an old disposable camera. I <3 Cedar Point!

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/01/saving-money-so-hot-right-now.html

Mandy — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:52:00 -0000

Really great tips for saving money. I try to do a lot of those now, but will definitely be putting more of them into practice.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/01/irony-also-me-minus-makeup-wet-hair.html

Mandy — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:49:00 -0000

Fun new purchases and Macbooks really should be considered investments. Good luck with your business!

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/01/worth-it-wednesday-free-is-even-better.html

Mandy — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:53:00 -0000

I love the public library in my town, but I can't get a library card. The library thinks I am dead.
http://www.knowingthedifference.com/2008/07/why-i-cant-get-library-card.html

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/02/shop-update-and-accepting-who-i-am.html

Mandy — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:43:00 -0000

Bright colors are a must in my life -- they make me happy! It is hard to be different from ones family but being true to your self is much more important.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/04/cupcakes-need-i-say-more.html

Mandy — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:40:00 -0000

Oh my word do those look fantastic! I dont usually cook vegan but these look so delicious!

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/04/on-ikea-etsy-babies-and-no-candy-for.html

Mandy — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:37:00 -0000

Have you ever been to Hollo's? http://www.geocities.com/hollospapercraft/ I am not sure how far away it is from where you are, but you might want to check it out. They sell paper by the pound and its really, really reasonable. I would always get excited to go there when visiting friends.

And I agree, you should add blogs to your design work!

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/04/only-slightly-blurry.html

Mandy — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:51:00 -0000

I had no idea Ikea sold fabric. I havent been there in ages. Time to hit up the one in Pittsburgh!

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/04/gimme-break-please.html

Mandy — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:06:00 -0000

I think most of us get to a place where we need need to pull back a little and just go be...

Best wishes!

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/05/subtle-return.html

Mandy — Mon, 04 May 2009 18:04:00 -0000

Glad you're back!

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/05/things-currently-making-my-day.html

Mandy — Wed, 06 May 2009 23:29:00 -0000

I love that quote!

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/05/when-in-doubt-ask-internet.html

Mandy — Tue, 19 May 2009 10:00:00 -0000

Good luck on your decision. I think that only you can make a huge decision like this. You really have to trust your gut with things like this. In the end you will me the right choice for you and Mike.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/06/taking-five-minutes-away-from-beach.html

Mandy — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:16:59 -0000

Ouch! I was burnt over the weekend too and its not fun. Use lots of aloe!

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/06/art-of-12-outfit.html

Mandy — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:35:06 -0000

I do that as well. I love thrift shops. Lately one of my friends and I have been hitting up all the stores in our area a few Saturdays a month. It beats going to the mall where they always have the same stuff week after week. Its always an adventure of sorts.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/06/cotton-candy-is-totally-worth-12.html

Mandy — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:21:06 -0000

You and your husband are adorable. Free things like tickets are awesome and when they are free it makes the food taste better doesn't it?

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-have-job-also-look-earrings.html

Mandy — Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:38:00 -0000

Hooray for a new job!!

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/06/just-call-me-chandler.html

Mandy — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:23:40 -0000

Its good to have so many things available to you isnt it? Lifes too short, exploring all the options should be mandatory.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/06/concert-wedding-and-fathers-day.html

Mandy — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:54:50 -0000

Sounds like a fantastic weekend! Summer festivals are the best.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/06/very-special-weekend.html

Mandy — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:32:52 -0000

Friends like that are priceless.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/07/now-thats-my-kind-of-goal.html

Mandy — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:32:14 -0000

Roadtrips are awesome!! Especially cross country ones....

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/07/everyone-deserves-trader-joes-binge.html

Mandy — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:54:17 -0000

When I decided to get a tattoo, my mom went with me to pick it out even though she wasn't thrilled about it.

Congrats on an easy move. It IS very exciting to live in a fun neighborhood like that.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/07/captain-planet-says-lets-all-recycle.html

Mandy — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:25:05 -0000

My town has zero recycling. We do our own but it would be nice if the town got on board.

Re: http://ourlittleapartment.blogspot.com/2009/07/anatomy-of-good-date.html

Mandy — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:03:24 -0000

Looks like a fabulous little restaurant! Sounds like a great time.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/06/blog-peep-questions-round-5.html

Mandy — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:37:05 -0000

You are lovely. Always lovely. But remember - you're allowed to lean on us too. That "does this have a purpose thing" could mean "does this have a purpose for me?" If you struggle, we want to hold you up, to pray for you, to encourage you. Don't think you have to hide all your frustrations from us. We love you. :)

Okay, so this crazy dream I had...I apologize in advance for how strange it was. I think I must have eaten or smoked something weird before bed (except that smoking thing).

All I really remember about the dream is that you and I lived in Washington DC and hung out all the time. Then, the next thing I knew, you had died (morbid, I know... sorry) There was this bizarre Egyptian tomb thing for you but it was a military burial. It had my name on the outside because I was supposed to take care of the tomb thing, I guess. But then news came out that it was a suicide (I know! It's terrible!) But THEN I found out that you were secretly still alive, and I was really happy. I was really really sad when you dream-died though.

I don't know where that one came from. Glad you're alive, though! :)

Recent blog post: All my Exes Live in Texas...Stadium

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/06/sting-of-words.html

Mandy — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:10:49 -0000

Oh Sara I'm SO MAD RIGHT NOW!!! I love that you have a wonderful attitude about everything. You are an amazing person. A much better person than I. Because If I were there right now, being a very confrontational person when needed, I would be MORE THAN HAPPY to CORRECT that woman. UUUGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

I guess the lesson here (other than the super-nice one you just wrote about): Next time, just call the police instead of banging on the ceiling. ;)

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/06/hdg-expecting-gold.html

Mandy — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:34:11 -0000

Next time you have a HDG and don't have the energy to make a canvas, I'll donate a free blog makeover to one of your readers. :) (http://www.blogsbymandy.com)<br />
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Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/06/it-just-is-what-it-is.html

Mandy — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:59:25 -0000

You are an amazing woman, Sara, and you know how much we all love you. I so so so wish you didn't have to go through all of this, but I love that with every keystroke we see Christ in you. You are always in my prayers.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/07/brought-to-you-by-letter-d.html

Mandy — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:01:32 -0000

Elegant Sara, an excuse to educate myself on "E" words is an enigma. Ever elegant, ever exquisite, ever excellent, you are even entertaining!

How about this:

Let's hear about what EXASPERATES you (you deserve to vent sometimes) as well as what brings you ENCOURAGEMENT?

Ps - Did you see this? http://jackandmandy.blogspot.com/2009/07/this-i... />
Recent blog:=- Congratulations, Angela!!

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/07/before-and-after.html

Mandy — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:40:13 -0000

Sorry you're having a rough time. I'm always praying for your comfort, health, and healing. Glad you got the couches moved to where you like them! Hope you're having a happy Monday! :) xoxoxo

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/07/black-hawk.html

Mandy — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 11:29:07 -0000

They ARE pretty!!! And every time you post pictures of your house I always think "man, what a pretty house!"

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/07/oh-that-dog.html

Mandy — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:16:52 -0000

OWWWWWWWW!!! Poor Sara. :(

Recent blog:=- Proof that my food quality standards are WAY too low

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/07/oh-that-dog.html

Mandy — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:58:09 -0000

That's because you're... well, there's no other way to say this... a
bad-ass. Immune to pain... basically a super-hero. :)
Maybe not immune, but you're sooooo not the wimp I am!!

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/07/celebrating-life.html

Mandy — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:47:29 -0000

Beautiful. And she sounds very much like you.

Recent blog:=- Mama never said there'd be days like this

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/07/missing-me.html

Mandy — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:43:49 -0000

Hello beautiful. Sorry you're going through such a hard time. I just hate that.

Know the best thing about your blog? We see YOU. For who you are. And that's all we see. Not somebody whose sickness defines her, but someone whose Christ-likeness defines her. I love seeing you, however you are.

"Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful." -1 Peter 3:3-5

Pep-talk over. ;)

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/07/blog-peep-questions-round-6.html

Mandy — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:13:03 -0000

I agree! Down with Almond Joy!! Except that my dad really likes them, and I wouldn't want to steal his joy. Har har har. Steal his "joy."

Hope you're feeling better, friend!!

Recent blog:=- Oh yes, she bakes

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/07/rock-and-hard-place.html

Mandy — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 23:11:52 -0000

Oh, Sara, I can't say anything but PRAYING PRAYING PRAYING. And sending lots of love. I'm so so sorry you're going through this.

Recent blog:=- Oh yes, she bakes

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/07/gratitude.html

Mandy — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:06:56 -0000

I have been thinking of you and praying for you CONSTANTLY this week and will continue to do so.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/07/flashback-friday-humbled.html

Mandy — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:09:02 -0000

Hi!! I hope you're feeling better!!

Recent blog:=- The night of two geckos

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/08/shoo-birds.html

Mandy — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:50:39 -0000

Sounds like pigeons to me. Or big ugly crows. Bummer. Here's hoping you at least get some pretty song birds circling soon! :) Woooo metaphors.

Thinking of you always! =-X

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/08/shoo-birds.html

Mandy — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:00:29 -0000

I sure hope not!!

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/08/rambling.html

Mandy — Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:37:26 -0000

You are lovely. And it's always good hearing from you.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/08/castaway.html

Mandy — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:03:55 -0000

I love Alias too!!!

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/09/but-can-you-believe-my-voice.html

Mandy — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:09:30 -0000

YAAAAAAAY!!!!!!! I'm so very very excited for you!!!

Recent blog:=- A gecko prayer

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/09/blog-peep-questions-round-7.html

Mandy — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:39:07 -0000

I've missed you! Glad to "see" you back for a little bit. Always praying for you, lovely lady!

Re: All Hail The King

Mandy — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:29:22 -0000

Awww!! What a cutie. Happy birthday, king Riley!!!

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Re: Prosperity gospel called to judgement - ExChristian.Net - News and Opinion

Mandy — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:06:00 -0000

Trumpeter said: because I know what ex-c's responses will be like and i don't have the great faith to evangelize you all.

Go bother Dan Marvin why don't ya?

I'm sure he would love to evangelize a new cult member like yourself.

Re: Prosperity gospel called to judgement - ExChristian.Net - News and Opinion

Mandy — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:36:00 -0000

I am saddened to read how many people on this forum have admitted to losing their 'faith' because some "Christians" are wolves in sheeps clothing/hypocrites/scam artists.

Sorry to hear that you are sad that many of us have escaped the Misery that you call being a christian. Seems to me that you are the one who still has the problem since you are blind to the real truth about the real liar who is named "Jesus".

The only "Real" Wolf in Sheeps Clothing who is a /hypocrites/scam artist is Jesus himself.

Re: Prosperity gospel called to judgement - ExChristian.Net - News and Opinion

Mandy — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:43:00 -0000

Marksmom Said: "I am saddened to read how many people on this forum have admitted to losing their 'faith' because some "Christians" are wolves in sheeps clothing/hypocrites/scam artists."

From Mandy to Marksmom:

Sorry to hear that you are sad that many of us have found true happiness and joy by escaping the Misery that you call being a christian. Seems to me that you are the one who still has the problem since you are blind to the real truth about the real liar who is named "Jesus".

The only "Real" Wolf in Sheeps Clothing who is a /hypocrites/scam artist is Jesus himself.

Re: More distortions in the culture war - ExChristian.Net - News and Opinion

Mandy — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:07:00 -0000

I'm not bothered by it either.

Re: Atheists shunned in Oklahoma town - ExChristian.Net - News and Opinion

Mandy — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:05:00 -0000

Christians talk about the power of their god. The only power they have is their large numbers of cult followers.

I remember back when this church that I went to was in the middle of a building program. They would take up an offering for a new building, and when they finally had enough money to build the new building, they would thank god for providing the income and resources in order to build their building.

Funny how christians thank God for providing when it was actually all of the church members who provided their own income to fund that building. Not God.

Christians are naive indeed.

Re: Pope blames atheism for world's woes - ExChristian.Net - News and Opinion

Mandy — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:27:00 -0000

Spacemonk Said:
"If people stopped hearing how hopeless we all are maybe they'd have confidence enough to use their minds to their fullest extent and actually create a better world."

As far as christians are concerned the world is going to hell, and it is part of "Doomsday Prophecy".

That's why most christians ignore concerns in regards to our environment here on Earth. They are more concerned with dying and going to their heavenly home. They would rather let the rest of humanity rot down here instead of providing a better world for future generations.

Re: Pope blames atheism for world's woes - ExChristian.Net - News and Opinion

Mandy — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:17:00 -0000

To Anonymous who has dealt with the Apostolic Church,

You are exactly right about everything you said. Those Apostolics are a bunch of crazed lunatics. The ATF should raid their churches, and put them in a Mental Institution.

I know a guy who came from that background and he lives in a mental hell. He beats himself up just for watching a girl on TV who is wearing a bathing suit. I mean this guy drags himself over the coals and gives himself a mental beating in the name of Jesus.

Plus he is schizophrenic. Imagine what it would be like having a combination of being Schizo and Apostolic both.

For all all I know the Apostolic Faith is what made him "Schizo".

Re: Pope blames atheism for world's woes - ExChristian.Net - News and Opinion

Mandy — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:26:00 -0000

Hi Ryan,

I was at my friend's house one time. We were listening to some mainstream pop music. It wasn't anything bad as a matter of fact.

While I was at my friend's house someone from his Apostolic Church called him on the phone and asked him what he was listening to in the background.

After my friend told him what we were listening to, he got accused of listening to the kind of music that separates him from God. He was told to get rid of his "Music of the world", and burn it and repent.

He even told my friend that I needed to come to church with him. I guess they wanted to get me there so they could gang up on me, lay hands on me, and cast a demon out of me. I almost got on the phone and told that same guy to mind his own business.

I tell you these nuts need to be locked up.

Re: The price of battling the Christian Taliban - ExChristian.Net - News and Opinion

Mandy — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:04:00 -0000

I think we should start wearing led necklaces around our necks to keep God away.

Maybe it will keep people like Dan and Mark away too.

Re: If you logically look at Christianity, it just doesn’t add up - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:56:00 -0000

Stronger Now,

Thanks for the info.

Noticed that Dan has not posted on here much today.

Maybe Dan is busy trying to find the answer to your question. lol!

Re: A Time That Changed Me - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:33:00 -0000

Alexandra Said: "Fundamentalist Christianity preys on the weak and intimidated. The followers may not be malicious, but the ideas are."

I fully agree with you Alexandra. Even the one's who don't act like a jerk take advantage of the weak.

I had one former christian friend who tried and tried his best to get me back into church and his faith.

He tried it in a very nice and "Non-threatening" way, however I could see through all of his kindness that his real agenda was to hopefully convince me that leaving Christianity was a bad decision. He told me later on that he had hoped through trying to minister to me, that I would give up my free will just to enslave myself to false teachings again.

He was hoping the "Holy Spook" would convict me of my sins, through his bible teachings, and it did not work. He found complete resistance in me, and it horrified him.

After he realized that he could not win the battle, that is when he started using the threats of hell, and damnation as a scare tactic which I consider pure manipulation. He reminded me once again, why I decided to leave the Christian Faith in the first place, and I became very angry with him.

I finally decided it was time to stop being nice, so I told him what I really thought about his God and his faith. We went separate ways after that.

You have to stand up to these christian bullies. If you don't they will run all over you.

I have even seen other people who are not "Mentally Strong" enough to take a stand against these christian cultists, including those who have mental illnesses that have been taken advantage of by christian fundamentalists many times.

I knew one guy who had schizophrenia and these people from his church along with his pastor kept him so confused and kept pressuring and pushing him so much to conform to the will of God, that he ended up in the hospital over it. This poor guy today is still enslaved to the christian God, and he beats himself up on a regular basis because he feels so dirty and unworthy of the christian God. It literally makes me sick to see someone live in that type of bondage, because of the christian lie.

It just pisses me off how these ignorant bible beaters bully people around with their fanatical ways and make these people who already have pain and depression worse than what they already are.

I have even heard the more "Charsmatic" Christians claim that if you suffer from depression that you are in sin, and God cannnot bless you. People like that are nuts, and I advise anyone to stay away from such people as that, because they are highly dangerous IMO.

I think christians who harass others like that should be held accountable for the damage that they have done to the lives of these people. They should be punished as far as I'm concerned.

People have a right to live their lives the way they want to as long as they do not hurt anyone else.

Re: A Time That Changed Me - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:54:00 -0000

Just Wandering Said: "Could it be though, that among all the religious fervor you have not had a peronal experience with a living God?"

Nobody ever has ever had a personal experience with some living God. It is all a bunch of hype based on emotions.

I'm sure like other christians you would like to believe that you have had one, however I hate to tell you this, but the only thing you have encountered is a very active imagination based on a ancient text that carries no weight in the real world.

Hopefully you'll get a taste of reality again.

Just so you know there have been others like yourself who have tried to bring us back to the fold. Do you guys all use the same script?

So far none of them have been able to throw down a staff or rod that turns into a snake, no red seas have been parted, and no plagues of locusts or frogs have appeared along with some burning bush.

Sorry Moses, you won't win anyone back to Christ on this site.

Re: A Time That Changed Me - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:59:00 -0000

Just Wondering Wrote: "The last response goes to my personal experience with the risen Christ. I do not think that anybody can really interpret it for me because it was my experience and not somebody elses."

Why should we take your word for it and anyone elses?

There have been several times people like you have come onto this site claiming such things and quoting bible scripture.

Those things are all "Hear Say" and faith does not make something a fact.

I am not convinced that the bible is authentic and is the word of God. I see it as more less a book that is made up of man's point of views about who and what god is supposed to be.

The theory is that these men were inspired by god and that is how the bible was made. Again, why should we take their word for it? I don't know how many times I have heard even the christians of today claim that god told them something.

More than likely that was the subconcious mind of those same men (bible writers) telling them that god was speaking to them when it was actually their very own thoughts speaking to them.

No matter what you say J.W. you will not be able to get me or anyone else on this site to change their minds about what they believe.

Until Jesus finds a better way to communicate with the people of the 21st Century, I will find no credibility with you or any other christian.

This personal experience that you claim you had with Jesus may very well be a figment of your imagination for all you really know. You are not the first one to claim such a thing. I am very leary of anyone who claims they had a personal experience with the living God.

Re: A Time That Changed Me - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:06:00 -0000

J.W. Said: "But Mandy´s call to "get a taste of reality again" speaks a lot about her view on reality than about the reality itself."

So tell me then J.W.....what is your view on reality? Or let me put it this way, "Your opinion about what reality is".

You think that Jesus is reality? Prove it.

I have found in my own personal dealings with christianity that many of the beliefs are not practical in today's modern day world.

Re: I am a spiritual atheist - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:07:00 -0000

Dear Anonymous,

Hi,

I was just wanting to know if you consider yourself to be "Agnostic"?

Thanks. :)

Re: I am a spiritual atheist - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:30:00 -0000

Hi Spiritualist,

I think I do kind of understand. Forgive me, I have kind of a simple understanding of things I guess you could say.

So basically you don't believe that christians have God figured out like they think they do. Right?

Re: I am a spiritual atheist - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:57:00 -0000

Hi Spiritualist,

Thanks for you comment. :)

Would you consider yourself a pretty open minded person, who accepts people for who they are, regardless of their lifestyle?

Re: I am a spiritual atheist - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:04:00 -0000

Thanks Spiritualist,

I can appreciate someone like you, and someone with your beliefs. I find what all you had to say quiet interesting.

I am a former close minded christian, who has come quiet a long ways towards accepting others myself. Plus my life has changed quiet a bit.

I guess you could also say that I am Agnostic. That's why I had asked you if you were. You kind of reminded me at first of someone who is Agnostic, until you explained more to me.

Re: No good reasons to believe - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:52:00 -0000

Aspentroll Said: "This dispicable book is responsible for more tragedy than is imaginable"

I fully agree with you.

I knew a guy one time who was dealing with severe depression. He had done everything he knew to do according to the christian faith. He never could find peace and relief inside of the christian faith.

He finally got to his wits end after struggling trying to find peace and happiness with Jesus, and one day he went to one of the associate pastors of his church, and told him that he could not find peace and happiness with Jesus alone, and that he was about to give up.

The Associate pastor told him that apparently he doesn't have enough faith and it's not god's fault, of course it never is according to these nit wits.

My friend told the Associate Pastor that he couldn't understand the purpose of his life here on Earth, and he was told this crap:

"The only purpose for your existence is to serve God, and we are suppose to be content in Jesus and Jesus alone, not your job or having a girlfriend".

I will say that same hypocrite is married, and apparently Jesus was not enough for him.

Not long after he was told that my friend committed suicide.

I'm sure that same Associate Pastor thought that is what happens when people don't put their faith and trust in Jesus. Which is a very arrogant belief IMO. It seems that christians and pastors do not want to accept responsibility for the ignorant things that they say, and the damage they do to the lives of other people. It's always the excuse that this person had a problem with God instead. It makes me sick.

That's one of the big reasons why I am no longer a christian today myself, plus I now see the lies and contradictions in the bible such as Jesus' promises to comfort those who are in pain.

Jesus apparently failed to do so for my friend, and my friend's walk as a christian was authentic. I wanted to clarify that before some judgmental know it all christian decides to come on here preaching saying that my friend was probably never a christian to begin with.

Re: No good reasons to believe - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 22:00:00 -0000

Working On It Wrote: "I don't know what to say. I want to believe the Bible, but I also need to function as a person living here and now. That was my choice for getting help."

Being obsessed all the time with doing this or that to appease Jesus is very hard on a person."

I agree, and I hope things get better for you. Hang in there, and try to take things from a realistic approach.

Unfortunately there are some people who think depression or any other type of mental illness is something that you can just get over or get rid of. I have found that many people are ignorant when it comes to Mental Health Issues.

From what I have observed, not many churches are qualified to deal with mental health issues. Some even shun those who have depression.

I have never been a fan of biblical counseling personally.

Best wishes to you. :)

Re: No good reasons to believe - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:43:00 -0000

I also wanted to add to my previous post that people need to take care of themselves, and learn to trust in their own abilities.

I have found through my own personal experience that if anything gets accomplished in my own personal life, it is when I take the initiative to get off my butt and do something, not get down on my knees and seek out an invisible god for advice.

For me personally, seeking and trusting god only led to one let down after another. The only time I was able to accomplish a goal was when I took charge of my life.

I do not agree withthe popular christian saying, "Make Jesus Lord and Master of Your Life". That statement and popular belief among many christians is not practical. It gives people false hopes. Once again I am speaking this from my own personal experiences in dealing with Christianity.

No matter what any christian, pastor, or bible scripture says, I have found that doing things by taking charge of my own life is the only way I have ever been able to accomplish goals. Seeking an invisible "Higher Power" has never given me the answers that I need nor has it ever helped me to accomplish goals in life.

Today I no longer listen to what any christian has to say, and I don't care about what the bible says because I know what works for me, and that is all that matters to me.

No christian can tell me any different. My own personal experiences are real enough evidence to prove to me that seeking an invisible god does not work when it comes to making every day decisions and accomplishing goals.

The only person who can change and improve their life is yourself. Never allow any christian to bully you with their opinions and their manipulation such as threats of hell and damnation.

No matter what anyone believes, life is too short to worry about pleasing an invisible god all of the time. You have to do what it takes to make you happy. I refuse to make myself miserable by worrying about if god approves of my decisions in everyday life or not. I lost many valuable years of my life worrying about serving and pleasing god.

Re: I left god for good - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:25:00 -0000

Different Now Wrote: "I realized that the inner conviction of "the Holy Spirit" I used to feel was nothing more than my own self telling me what was best for me. It is a built in part of humanity that we all share in common, and it lies uniquely in each of us and not some larger being with one set of rules for everyone the same."

That is exactly right!

I couldn't have said it any better.

Re: I left god for good - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:28:00 -0000

Immature Anonymous Poster Wrote:

"Why do gays always have to throw it in your face?

Thats as offensive as some heterosexual always throwing it in your face.

Keep your pants on and quit trying to force everyone else into your sex hangup."

I don't see anyone throwing anything in anyone's face. People have the right to share who they are with others if they desire to do so.

Nobody is trying to force others into a sex hangup. I don't know where you got that idea, however it seems to me that people like you are trying to conform everyone else to what the mainstream (Prejudice Biggots) want.

Grow up.

Re: I left god for good - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:54:00 -0000

From another post: "Anyway, sexual orientation IS a big deal because conservative christians are constantly obsessing about it, and always trying to control the sexual behavior of others."

The reason why most christians like to focus on "sexual orientation" so much is because they don't want to focus on their own hypocrisy and the sin that most of them live in.

Most christians would do well to mind their own business and go look in a mirror when they start preaching and passing judgment on others.

Re: I left god for good - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:11:00 -0000

Anonymous Wrote: "Self hate is a moral of christianity and realizing that is the single most positive thing that ever happened in my life."

What a sad and pitiful statement. I'm sorry to hear that you have a very low opinion of yourself. I understand because it makes sense that you would need a crutch in order to feel good about yourself.

Even as a christian I still felt bad about myself, actually I felt worse about myself to tell you the truth. Then after I left christianity, and started believing in my own abilities to make things happen and accomplish goals, that is when I started having self esteem and I finally started loving myself.

Having faith in an invisible "Hear-Say" magical, imaginary friend did nothing for me. I found no comfort in Jesus, nor did he ever comfort me. Yes, I am truly happy outside of the christian faith. It feels really good to once and for all be free from the oppression called "Christianity".

It seems that christians feel the need to come onto an "Anti-Christian" website and preach to us. I can't speak for everyone else on here, but I doubt if most people who post on this site feels any need to go to a "Christian Website" to post Anti-Christian messages on it.

It is obvious that it is the christians who post on this site who have a problem. We are a threat to their belief system, and when they read posts about how so many of us escaped the bondage that most christians live in it scares them and it threatens their belief system.

I was once that way. As a christian I was miserable, and anytime I saw a happy atheist or non-believer it made me angry, because it made me have doubts about the christian faith being valid, and god couldn't seem to do anything to make me feel any different about it. I didn't want to abandon the faith, however it was not working for me, and I had several other non-believers point that fact out to me. I then realized that Jesus being a personal friend who was looking out for my best interest was a really bad joke. That is when I left the faith.

I want to thank every single christian who posts on here for constantly reminding me why I am so glad to no longer be a part of your faith. Thanks for reminding me how foolish and stupid I was as a christian.

The more biblical propaganda that christians quote, along with the judgmental opinions that christians make on here, the more it makes me realize just how glad I made the decision to leave christianity.

I don't think these same christians who post on here seem to realize they only validate mine and several others points of how faulty their faith really is. They are only shooting themselves in the foot by posting their bible scripture and other forms of christian manipulation on this site.

I very seriously doubt if anyone who is a "Non-believer" who posts on this site has ever been converted back to the faith because of some post that a christian left on here.

You would think that as almighty and powerful that the christian god is supposed to be that he wouldn't need lowly humans to do his work for him, and you would think that god would take notice and realize that his messengers are not getting the job done.

I see no power nor credibility with any christian who preaches on a continous basis on or off of this site. All I hear is a bunch of cheap talk with no power of action behind it. Jesus says this, and Jesus says that, BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! and then some of them come up with certain claims and stories that god personally encountered them like we are naive enough to believe their stories. Seems god can't deliver the message himself for some reason.

These christians have done me a favor and they don't even realize it. Thanks to all christians who post on here for reminding me why I left your cult.

I also want to tell all christians who post on this site to keep up the good work of exposing your hypocrisy and all of the biblical lies. You're all doing a great job! :)

Re: I left god for good - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:00:00 -0000

Bring It Wrote: "Did you lose that faith because God turned his back on you?"

It is God who turned his back on me. I tested scripture to find god's will, and I followed scripture and guess what? It didn't work.

Me leaving christianity was just a matter of applying this one rule, "What works in the real world VS What the bible says".

It had nothing to do with other christians. You guys only enforce my disbelief about christianity. You can't seem to realize that you are just validating my claims even more. I now see you christian cultists as being weak and stupid if you want to know the blunt and honest truth. You remind me of what I use to be, and I don't like it, and I want nothing to do with it.

I don't know why christians like you can't seem to get that through your narrow minded head. Of course, I realize that christianity blinds people, because it had me blind for many years. I wasted some of the best years of my life chasing after bible god.

Do yourself a favor and stay out of other people's business. I believe that people have a right to live anyway they want to as long as it is not illegal or it does not bring harm to someone else.

I would love to see the day where christians end up in jail for harassing others with their faith.

This country is for every single person no matter what their beliefs are or their sexual preference. It is none of anyone elses business if someone is gay or not. Keep your holier than thou values to yourself and leave other people alone.

You also might want to think about doing something more productive with your life like getting a job, instead of trying to be Moses. Stop shoving your crap down other people's throats. You christians are a one big joke, and I do not take anything you say serious. If I were god I would not be very happy with the people who represent me, because all of you christians are making yourselves look immature, and foolish.

Get a life, and grow up! *rolls eyes*

Re: I left god for good - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:19:00 -0000

Bring It Said: "You guys seem to have a lot of hate for people who are so content with their lives."

Seems to me you are the angry one since you choose to post your "Immature and childish" comments on here. Oh, and btw for someone who is a christian you sure don't display the love of your Jesus. Instead you display nothing more than immature, foolish behavior. Does hiding behind a computer and hurling insults at others make you feel brave? Awwww......Did mommy and daddy not give you enough attention when you were growing up?

Bring It On, you are nothing more than a hypocrite, and you have done nothing but made yourself look foolish on here. You use Christianity as a weapon to attack and insult others. You have made a complete fool out of yourself. You are nothing more than a little immature juvenile. Before you claim that you are an adult, just remember that age has nothing to do with maturity.

Even though I am not a christain, I do know christians who would disapprove of your immature behavior. They would give you a solid rebuke, and you would be compared to a pharisee and a pagan.

Anyone who claims that they are so content with their own life would not be over here posting the kind of immature garbage that you have been posting. You expect for us to believe that you are so happy and content with life when it is "YOU" who decided to come onto this site and sticking your nose where it does not belong.

As far as your job is concerned, how long have you been working at McDonalds now Bring It On? Are they getting ready to promote you to doing fries yet?

Bring It On Wrote: "if I were moses then I would start by parting through that junk that you call a response so that I could get to the other side where the truth resides."

Your "So Called Truth" is nothing more than your "Opinion". All of your responses have been nothing more than pure trash. I feel sorry for someone like you Bring It On, who has nothing else better to do than sit around on their pathetic little butt surfing the interent and, talking down to others who do not subscribe to your belief system.

You remind me of a Nazi with the hatred that you spread in regards to intolerance. You are the one who is spreading hatred by making your attacks against others on here. You are the one who started trouble on this site. So don't come on here whining about how we have so much hatred towards someone like you.

Thanks once again for showing us the true behavior of most christians. You give your precious Jesus no credibility.

Once again, grow up.

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/01/little-curl.html

Mandy — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:14:00 -0000

We talked about you a lot last week. Hope you don't mind. It was all good.
And this pic came up a lot. You're so beautiful...

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/01/i-succumbed.html

Mandy — Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:13:00 -0000

:)
Yes! No forgetting to blog. NO Ma'am!!!

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/01/chocolate.html

Mandy — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:04:00 -0000

did my comment go through? i dunno... ok. now back to my hot tea... that is supposed to be hot chocolate. :-/

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/02/twins.html

Mandy — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:59:00 -0000

One thing that made me happy? Your FANTABULOUS comment today telling me I had 7 hours to enter this contest.
;)

You have the most gracious way of pimping your own blog! HA!

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/02/he-even-cute-with-bad-hair.html

Mandy — Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:25:00 -0000

Hi.
been missing you again... twitterville is not the same. :)

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/02/speaking-of-haircuts.html

Mandy — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:27:00 -0000

Oh my goodness- your dog's hair turns out WAY better than mine when I do it! Maggie comes out totally uneven if I try such things (yet, I still try such things!) :-P

Re: http://gitzengirl.blogspot.com/2009/02/hdg-being-reduced.html

Mandy — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:52:00 -0000

Me! Pick me!!

I love your outlook on your situation! I SO want the next BIG MckGet-together in YOUR town so I can come see YOU next!! :-D

Recent blog post: MckYESSSSSS!!!

Re: I left god for good - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:12:00 -0000

Sorry Webmaster. I didn't read your post before I posted my reply.

I have nothing more to say to "Bring It", nor do I have any interest in reading what else he has to say.

I will now starve the troll.

Re: I left god for good - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:08:00 -0000

Alanh Wrote: "Once you truly move past Christianity this guilt trip doesn't work anymore, sorry."

I can vouch for that. I do not feel one ounce of conviction (guilt) for leaving christianity behind.

Instead of feeling convicted by what christians say, I feel annoyed more than anything anytime they ignore what is practical and what works in the real world.

These christians don't know when to stop beating a dead horse. Speaking of dead, another day has passed and the so called, "Living Savior Jesus" has failed to return once again.

I love it!!!!

Re: I left god for good - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:24:00 -0000

Differentnow Wrote: "I'm ashamed to say that at age 20 I would have probably naively written a similar post. Only back then I wouldn't have dared read anything non-Christian at all."

Same here.

Just 10 years ago I wouldn't have gone anywhere near a site such as this.

Re: I left god for good - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 01:05:00 -0000

Anonymous Said:
"Best of luck to all of you. We'll (Christians) keep you in our prayers."

I honestly don't take your post serious. It sounds more less like a joke from someone who is being sarcastic by making fun of christianity.

Me thinks you are spoofing.

Re: I left god for good - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:26:00 -0000

Hey Passerby,

Are you too stupid to understand that you are not welcomed here?

I realize that once you become a christian that you lose all common sense.

You are the true meaning of insanity. You keep on doing the same thing over and over again on this site and you keep on expecting different results everytime apparently.

When are you going to get a clue that nobody wants you around? Even your old buddy Dan finally figured that out.

However, if you still can't figure it out, then I know a good "Secular Therapist" who can help you make rational decisions.

Or perhaps you are just frustrated because you haven't been laid.

Re: I left god for good - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:40:00 -0000

I too, have noticed that it seems when Non-believers quote scripture and rebuke christians they want to end the conversation. That is when a christian is no longer willing to listen.

Tell me Passerby, does that mean scripture is no longer valid once an Atheist quotes it to you? So when an Atheist quotes scripture to a christian, the scripture no longer applies to a christian.

Talking about having a "Double Standard".

Re: I left god for good - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:05:00 -0000

Passerby Wrote: "...You're absolute right about that...conversions don't come from man. Recognizing that conversions come from God.."

No, people change, because they choose to change. People improve their lives, because they choose to improve their lives. I refuse to give credit to some invisible dead bible god who did nothing for me. Unlike "YOU" Passerby I have faith in my own abilities. I know how to make decisions for myself without having to get down on my knees praying to the wind about making a decision.

I also like Boomslang's posts. I love the way he takes christian nonsense and shreds it to pieces with his logic and reality thinking.

Keep up the great work Boomslang! This site would not be the same without you. You are truly a "Freedom Fighter" for all of us who have entered the world of "True Freedom", away from the oppression known as "Christianity".

As for Passerby, you are fighting a losing battle, and you are beating a dead horse.

Re: I left god for good - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:46:00 -0000

Passerby Wrote: "Mandy, do you have a legitimate question or was your post's purpose solely that string of ad hominem attacks?"

Passerby, are you referring to this question of mine from another post:

"Tell me Passerby, does that mean scripture is no longer valid once an Atheist quotes it to you? So when an Atheist quotes scripture to a christian, the scripture no longer applies to a christian."

My question is "legit", unlike your constant rambling on this site about your bible God. I noticed you chickened out after you discovered that "Danny" was not a christian. I guess you think that when an atheist quotes scripture back to a christian, that the scripture is no longer valid, and it no longer applies to you, because you are a goody, goody, self-righteous christian.

Danny was right when he told you that many other christians such as the Apostolics do not support or believe in the Trinity. Don't take my or his word for it. Check it out for yourself. It seems that other christians do not agree with you about the trinity.

http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/trinity.html

http://www.spiritualabuse.org/issues/onenessvtrinity.html

I will also remind you Passerby that "YOU" are the one who has come onto our site spamming your biblical nonsense. I may not speak for everyone else on here, however I know that you are not welcomed here.

So don't get smart with me about my question not being legit. You should know better than to come onto an "Anti-Christian" website spamming scripture and other biblical nonsense. This site is not for "YOU" it is for us. You have violated our territory.

It took me years to get away from people like you, so I'm telling you to leave this site and other people alone. Respect what other people want.

I have no sympathy for christians like you who get persecuted and disrespected on here, because you open yourself up for attacks. Christians wouldn't get persecuted so much if they would learn to stay out of other people's business. So don't expect me to sympathize with you poor persecuted christians.

All christians like you deserve every bit of hardship that you get, since you all bring it on yourselves.

And as far as you serving God, and sharing what you call in your own arrogant opinion the "TRUTH", if Jesus/God is so limited in power that he can't reveal his plan on his own without having to depend on weaker individuals known as "Humans" or some 2,000 year old book then he is not even worth mentioning period.

I find it very insulting anytime someone says that a 2,000 year old book of "Ancient Fairy Tales" outweighs modern day science, technology, and education. What an insult to the progress of today's modern world.

Re: The world is more wonderful with all its various shades of gray - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:44:00 -0000

Lorena Wrote: "That's why religion is so ineffective and damaging, because there is an underlying assumption that we are all the same, should feel the same and behave the same. Not so!"

I agree. Christians can't seem to realize that their faith does not work for everyone. They refuse to look at different approaches to dealing with or solving problems.
Back during a very difficult time in my life, I started seeing a christian counselor. I met with him for a very long time. He was a very nice gentleman, however he never could come up with practical solutions to my problems outside of the bible.

I finally gave up on christian counseling, and sought out the help of a "Secular Counselor". That is when I finally was able to get practical solutions to a lot of my problems.

Re: Free at last... - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:09:00 -0000

From Logan:

"Dan, did you ever see the old movie (1976), "Logans Run"?"

I personally have never seen that movie, however another movie, The Matrix" reminds me of the false world that Dan lives in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix

Liberating one self from the oppression known as "Christianity" is much like escaping the "Matrix".

However, regardless of what I say or anyone else on here says, I'm sure Dan will still quote several bible references.

All I can say is quote away Dan if it makes you feel better, because at least people like myself have the satisfaction of knowing that we are now truly free of the bondage that you still live in that is known as christianity.

No amount of your constant bible thumping or anything else you have to say to us will ever take away our freedom. I'm sure that just kills you which explains why you find the need to come onto a site such as this and harass others.

You are angry Dan, because you are still under the same mind control that many of us were under at one time. Just seeing people who are truly happy outside of your christian bubble who are able to be themselves bugs, and live productive lives really bugs people like you Dan. That's why you choose to post scripture on here. You do it because you are angry. Your actions prove it.

I have said what I need to say, and I have no further interest in anything more you have to say on the matter Dan.

You Dear Dan, are the one who has a problem. That is why you choose to condemn others by passing judgement and disrespecting their choices and beliefs in life.

May the day come when all different types of people from all different walks of life finally learn how to love, accept, and take care of each other. I have personally found that I can accomplish a lot more in life when I allow my own "Human Spirit" (Human strength) to take over, and guide me.

Nothing you say Dan, will change that. My own personal success has proven that to me, and that is good enough as far as I'm concerned.

Have a good day. :)

Re: Free at last... - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:13:00 -0000

From Dan Marvin:
"Remember it is us who are sinning not God. It isn't his fault that we sin"

That is absurd Dan. We didn't choose to curse the whole entire human race and make us sinful. God made that decision. We are not responsible for Adam, Eve, and God's actions. Why should I take the blame for eating a fruit off of a tree thousands of years ago. I am not responsible for the actions of someone who I have never met. So therefore, I will not take the blame for Adam and Eve's sins.

Stop justifying "The Christian God" along with his actions. It is "Your God" who unfairly decided to curse the whole entire human race for the crimes of two people. Your logic along with your book of "Fairytales" (The Bible)is flawed.

Even though none of us who live in the 21st century were not around back during the time of "Adam & Eve", for some reason you and many other christians still logically think that it is right for your "God" to blame people and hold them responsible for some ridiculous story that happened thousands of years ago.

No people are sinful, because your "God" cursed man by his own choice. Your God chose to place a temptation (The tree of life/knowledge) along with his little buddy "Satan" in the garden of Eden. Yet your holy word teaches that God will not tempt man beyond what he can handle. Seems to me that he tempted Adam and Eve way beyond what they could handle by placing his little pet named Satan in the garden, and planting a tree. Satan is nothing more than God's little weapon against mankind. He is God's partner in crime.

God already knew the outcome, so instead of doing what is best for man, he chose to set man up to fall flat on his face. So I guess God thinks it is in man's best interest to sin, because that's exactly the way the Garden of Eden plot was set up. It is obvious that God never wanted man to have a perfect paradise, because if that had been so, God would've gotten rid of Satan a long time ago and he would've done everything in his power to make sure that the garden of Eden did not get screwed up. Yet, he supposedly allowed it to happen, because he wanted man to have free will so man would choose to love and accept God. However, if we don't accept God by giving him the attention that he wants and desires, he will allow us to go to hell. So basically "Your God" sees the need to use threats of hell to win loyalty. Seems that "Your God" should also be called, "The Great Manipulator".

Once again, it's all about "Your God" wanting attention, because he needs his ego fed. God has even admitted in "His so called word" that he has a jealousy problem (EXODUS 20:5), which is also a form of insecurity.

You have obviously been brainwashed beyond logical thinking Dan. Debating you is like debating a brick wall. It is a complete waste of time.

I'm just happy that I no longer belong to the "Jesus Cult" that you are still a part of. At least I have the satisfaction of knowing that I am no longer enslaved to the same beliefs that hold people like yourself in bondage.

I admit that I am agnostic, and I do believe in a creator, however you christians do not have God figured out like you think you do. Nor do any of you christians really know who God truly is. The fact is that nobody knows.

All forms of religion including christianity has it's own version of who God is, and it's own version of what the truth about God is.

Nothing you have said on this site in any post will convince me any different Dan. You have wasted your time trying to prove your point.

It seems christians like you are the one's who are constantly having to prove the existence of your "Christian God".

On the other hand, I don't have to prove that your christian God does not exist. You do this "only" out of superstition and fear of hell and damnation. Christians like you Dan, are so scared to do anything that your heart leads you to do, because you have been taught to believe that man's heart is nothing more than 100 percent pure evil. You are enslaved to a ancient myth. It is christians who live in "True Bondage". I decided to stop worrying about pleasing God, and dying and start living, and having fun.

So basically Dan, what I am saying to you is that I have better things to do with my time such as living it, and pursuing an education so I will have a better career so I can live a good quality life, which is something I should have been doing a long time ago back when I was in church. I should have been out pursuing a better career, along with my dreams instead of beating my bible and preaching at others like I use to do. I use to do the same thing that you are currently doing on here.

All of those times that I spent going to bible studies and church are the same times that I should've spent in a classroom pursuing an education that is going to prepare me to get into a career of my choice that will help me achieve my dreams and successes in this world. Going to church, being involved in bible studies, going out on visitation, singing in the choir, and being involved in other christian ministries did not help me achieve my dreams and success. It only kept me away from them, and it kept me broke.

You remind me of my father Dan. He is a good man, however my father is a 79 year old brainwashed fundy who believed that God did not want him to achieve a certain amount of success, so he walked away from it all, and he is paying for it today.

However, my dad doesn't see the mistake he made in doing so. He thinks that it was all for the glory of his Savior Jesus. I intend not to make that same mistake that my dad made. I have decided to learn from my dad's mistake, so that's another reason why I have chosen to break away from his faith.

You christians are really not that much different than the way Muslims are. I will admit that christians are not violent like Muslims, however you are all still willing to sacrifice your own personal success and happiness just to please your "Christian God".

In a way you christians do Martyr yourselves when you sacrifice your own personal happiness and life just in order to please your God.

My poor old dad still can't figure that out, and it seems you can't either. I feel sorry for people like you Dan, I truly do.

Christians like you waste so much of your life preaching sermons, and bugging others to conform to your faith and belief system.

It's like you christians are more focused on dying than you are living. It's all about "Your heavenly home". I realize that there is an end to our lives on this planet, however I have found that most christians would rather forsake having a good life on planet earth. Most christians live to die instead. God forbid we seek any personal pleasures in this life.

I don't know why it is Dan, that you continue to quote scripture on this site, when nobody pays any mind what the bible says or what you say. You are basically using a spoon to dig in concrete. You are getting no where with your debate.

You are doing nothing but wasting your precious time and your precious life here on this planet. Preaching on a "Anti-Christian" website is not productive. Stop worrying about what God thinks all of the time Dan, and stop worrying and living in fear of what God might not approve of.

Let God speak for himself for a change. It seems God can't do nothing without humans anyway. It seems "Your God" depends on all of you to do his dirty work the way you christians, and the bible tells it.

It's more like God can't seem to do anything without man. It's more like "Without man I (God) can do nothing". God depends on man's abilities. It's like "Your God" needs strength in numbers in order to accomplish his will.

Dan, I wish you well, I truly do, however I am done with this whole debate. I'm sure that deep down you are probably a pretty nice guy who has good intentions. However, I am convinced that you are not willing to look outside of the "Christian Box".

I'm sure that no matter what I or anyone else says on here, you will not change your mind about what you believe, just like I will not change my mind about what I believe.

Until I see more credible evidence that your version of "God" is the true version, and until I see that he is truly fair, just, and is truly involved in the affairs of the lives of other people, I will never believe in a "Personal Loving God".

We are all left here to use our own abilities to find our own ways in life. That is why God gave us our own "Intellectual Thinking". So we would know how to make it on our own in this world. I see no need to pray about buying a new car, a new house, or taking a certain job. I have the ability to make those decisions on my own.

God is not a personal individual who you can have a relationship with. That is nothing more than a crutch that a lot of christians like to use, because it is their way of dealing with their own insignificance, or low self-esteem.

Take care Dan, and on a personal note, I wish you and your family well.

Do yourself and your family a favor Dan, and take them out to eat, or take your kids out to play ball, or a nice walk in a park, instead of wasting your time trying to please your God.

Re: Free at last... - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:14:00 -0000

From Dan Marvin:
"How about your sins Mandy? Do you take responsibility for dishonoring your mother and father even once. Do you take the responsibility for lying just once in your life? How about lusting ever. Read Revelation 21:8 to understand your fate."

I've got way better things to do with my time Dan than read the bible. Why would I want to poison my mind further with reading such rubbish? Telling me to read the bible again would be like telling an alcoholic to start drinking again.

I have no interest in reading the bible Dan. My days of reading the bible and chasing after and trying to please what "Your God" wants are over. I have moved on to bigger and better things in my life. I refuse to sacrifice all of the hard work that I have done to escape the bondage of what you believe only to enslave myself again.

Yes, I will die one day Dan, and it could be sooner than I think, however I will not spend the rest of my life worrying about it. Life is all about taking chances, and I simply refuse to live the rest of my life forsaking what I desire in life just in order to please "YOUR GOD'S EGO".

You know Dan, you would do really well to see my therapist. She's very open minded, and she is very good. No she is not a christian, so I know that would turn you off, since christians are too close minded to think outside of the box anyway.

My therapist helped me to make accomplishments that no christian therapist or the bible alone was ever able to do. My personal success comes before what "YOUR GOD" wants. I have to take care of "MYSELF", and answer only to "MYSELF", because when I left it all in God's hands, I ended up broke and miserable with no life or career. Just some pitiful little crutch called "Christianity".

Most of all my "Secular" therapist helped me to undo all of the damage that was done to my life via christianity. She had even helped me to realize the damage that christianity had done to my life. It was not what some christian did to me alone, it was believing all of these scare tactics that someone like you use on people like the threats of hell and damnation. I feared death and I feared what your God wanted for years, and what he might do to me if I didn't please him. I got sick and tired of being bullied by christianity.

Dan, unless you were here to witness what all I went through in regards to christianity, you simply are not qualified to tell me or anyone else what to do. Until you have walked in anyone else's shoes you cannot tell them what is best for them.

Dan, I'm going to say this once, "Christianity does NOT work". It is not practical, and my life story can prove that christianity is a sham. I applied scripture to my daily life for years, and it produced no fruitful results. That is proof enough Dan, and you can't stand it anytime someone disputes your beliefs because it threatens your belief system. I now believe what the other poster said, about you needing your faith challenged because of your own personal doubts.

I am telling you right now that "YOU" are wrong Dan, the God that you believe in is not who God really is. A loving "Christian God" does not exist.

From Dan Marvin:
"Your personal sins are the the reason why God says you are a child of the devil, because YOU choose to sin."

You mean what the bible says, not what "God says". Sorry but once again, you've been backed into a corner Dan, and once again you cannot prove that the bible is the authentic word of God.

It seems Dan, that you have a very short memory, once again I am going to remind you of what I said in my previous post to you in regards to my choice to sin:

FROM MY PREVIOUS POST TO DAN MARVIN:
"We didn't choose to curse the whole entire human race and make us sinful. It is "Your God" who unfairly decided to curse the whole entire human race for the crimes of two people."

So therefore Dan, I can't help that I am "Human", and I make mistakes. Me being born into this world as a "Human" being is not my fault. I do not deserve to be punished for being born into this world. You are insane for believing such crap.

Let me tell you a little story about my life Dan, and I don't mind sharing this since nobody knows who I am outside of this website. My mother was raped Dan by another man who is not my biological father, which resulted in my birth. So I guess in "YOUR GOD'S EYES" that was my fault also.

To tell you the truth Dan, I would've preferred not to have been born a child of rape, since I did not ask to be brought into this world like that, but none the less according to "YOUR GOD" I still deserve hell fire, and damnation, because I am guilty by association with the rest of the human race. So "YOUR GOD" chose to bring me into the world by allowing a rape to happen, and he believes that I am evil and I deserve hell fire according to his so called, "HOLY WORD". Even though I did not ask to be born that way into this world, he appointed me to be brought into this world by rape, and now it is my fault that I exist so I am a sinner who deserves hell fire all because it is my fault that I was born a human being. And you call "YOUR GOD" loving, fair, and just? If that is so, then "YOUR GOD" is one insanely cruel individual. He has the words, "HATE" and "LOVE" confused.

Seems to me that if anyone is to blame it is "GOD" for allowing my mother to be raped. So don't you dare start shoving that free will crap down my throat. Don't you dare set there and defend your God. He had the power to intervene in my mother's life, just like he had the power to intervene in the "Garden of Eden", but he didn't, because "YOUR GOD" only cares about people giving him attention. That's all "YOUR GOD" cares about. I'm sure he really enjoys having someone like you defend him Dan, since you are basically a puppet for God.

It's like another poster said on here. You christians do more damage to people's lives than you do any good. You all make excuses and give cover stories for why "YOUR" God is unfair. I am no longer buying it Dan. "YOUR GOD" is a joke, and has not proven anything to me, so the best thing you can do is shut up quoting scripture. "YOUR GOD" owes the human race a huge apology. I don't owe him anything period.

Christians like yourself Dan, go around telling us how we owe God so much, yet he stands by while innocent people are raped and killed every single day, and all God cares about is us "Turning to him" and serving him.

As far as "YOUR GOD" is concerened, screw what people here on planet earth are going through, just suffer and live for "ME"(YOUR GOD)or else burn for eternity. "YOUR GOD" is no better than what Adolf Hitler was.

All there is to life according to people like you Dan is living for and serving God. You are so brainwashed it is pathetic. Nobody can reason with your flawed logic.

I had originally intended not to come back on here to debate you, however I felt the need to do so, because I really don't like it when people like you who don't know anything about people like me shove your christian crap down our throats, and pass judgment on us like you have all of us figured out. I really don't like it when people like you make comments about other people when you have no clue about what you are even talking about. Your God is the one who is guilty, and I don't care how much power and authority he has. He's nothing more than a "Universal Dictator" who craves power like Saddam Hussein and Adolf Hitler did.

From Dan Marvin:
"Repent and Trust Jesus today and God will forgive you but if you remain rebellious then it's your sins that will be your fall not Adam."

Nope, I refuse to do so Dan, and I don't care what your "Ancient Fairytale Book" has to say about my so called consequences of my so called rebellion towards "YOUR GOD". Rebellion is what produces "TRUE FREEDOM".

You tell "YOUR GOD" to do the right thing for humanity and stop being selfish by doing what pleases him. That's what "YOU" need to do Dan.

Dan, considering what your God has already put me through, if he does cause me to fall, then he is truly evil. It's bad enough that "YOUR" God has already put me through hell, and has played his little mind games and cruel jokes against me.

You know, it really angers me that someone like you would turn around and threaten me with the bible after what God put me through or allowed his little buddy Satan to put me through. God is just as guilty as Satan is, and before you say that God didn't do anything to me, you are right. He didn't do a damn thing to intervene for me, and protect me from the hell that I endured.

I will not return to "YOUR" God so stop giving me orders. You are not God and you will not tell me what to do. If your God can't speak for himself, then he once again proves how pathetic he is. He is without power.

It took me years to get away from people like you Dan, along with all the brainwashing that people like you try to do. You claim that you mean nobody on this site no harm, you are a liar Dan. You are a wolf in sheep's clothing.

You use your faith to make yourself feel superior and to please your God so he won't crush you like a bug. You don't love God, you only serve him out of fear of getting set on fire for eternity. That's only why you serve him.

It's like I mentioned, if it takes the fear of death and hell fire for God to win loyalty from people, then he is not capable of love. He is pathetic, and is nothing more than a universal bully.

When it comes to God and your agenda Dan, you don't care who you hurt either. You do this to please you mythical God, and save your sorry butt from burning in hell. Your arguments Dan, are weak and they are worthless. Your presence on this site is not welcomed. This site was created for people to have a safe haven away from people like you Dan. However, you continue to violate our privacy on this site, and you continue to build more hatred towards "YOUR GOD" and I do remember that it says in the bible that you hold so dearly, that you are not supposed to do anything that causes someone to stumble. Congratulations Dan, you have causes others to stumble on this site because you remind all of us of the pain we had to endure no thanks to "YOUR GOD" and the oppression known as "Christianity".

Telling someone to return to Jesus and repent is like telling that abused wife to come back home and take some more punishment, because she can't make it without her abusive husband. Your God can go beat on someone else for a change.

Also Dan, doesn't your Jesus teach you christians that if nobody is willing to listen to you that you are to leave and not quarrel with others? See that's the thing with christians like you Dan. You do a lot of preaching, but you never back up what you preach.

The other poster who called you a "Bully" is right. That is exactly what you are. A "Christian Bully" who does not know how to mind his own business. If this was not a website and you continued to bother someone like me in person with your constant bible quoting, I would get a restraining order against you.

That's probably why you use the internet to harass others with your constant christian trolling. So you won't end up either slapped or put in jail for harassment.

Get a clue Dan. Leave this site and never come back ever again. We will never listen to you.

Re: Free at last... - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:13:00 -0000

From Dan Marvin:
"The difference between us is experience, you cannot claim something by a non-experience. You just have yet to experience God."

How do you claim to know so much about my life Dan? You don't know who I am.

You're right. I have never experienced "YOUR GOD", even though I accepted him into my heart many years ago. Not my fault that he refused to come in, so don't blame me for that. Your God is the one who chose to ignore me. I did not ignore him.

I begged him and begged him at my worst moments and he never did anything to comfort me. You only make excuses for your God is does nothing.

I am so sick and tired of some arrogant christian like you who continues to talk down to others on this website.

You keep on covering up for "Your God's" wrong doings Dan. You keep on making excuses for him.

Your God is evil. Plain and simple, and until he shows me different I will not listen to what you say.

When you say that you are here to win people over, you know that will never happen. You are not here to win anyone over Dan. You are a bald faced liar just like your God is.

Please do not say anymore about what happened to my mom. Your words mean nothing to me.

Do us all a favor Dan, and go over to the middle east and preach "The So called good news of Jesus Christ" to the muslims over there and see what happens to you when you do.

I'm sure you would never be willing to do that.

Re: I ruined my parent's Christmas Day and I feel very guilty - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:49:00 -0000

ATF wrote: "So I take it that my assumption is correct then, that we have no jesus-humor in the bible we know about?
How SAD huh."

Hi ATF,

Back in 2003 there was a movie that came out called, "The Visual Bible: The Gospel of John". Jesus was played by "Henry Ian Cusick" who also plays Desmond off of the popular TV Show LOST.

The movie had Jesus laughing and cutting up in it instead of the usual serious and uptight Jesus. This Jesus actually had a sense of humor.

Anyways, my father along with several people from his church protested over the movie and the way Jesus was portrayed in it. I remember several of them saying that Jesus did not go around laughing, and that he was a very serious individual.

They said that the movie was sacraligious, and they found it detestable.

That is an example of how silly and uptight most christians are.

Re: I ruined my parent's Christmas Day and I feel very guilty - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:28:00 -0000

Hi ATF,

I will tell you that the Jesus movie that has "Henry Ian Cusick" in it is a christian movie before you go out an rent it. It's not like "Jesus Christ Superstar". Yeah, my dad didn't like that movie either of course.

The one movie that really pissed people like my dad off was "The Last Temptation of Christ". Didn't know if you were familiar with that movie or not, however that movie really got some christians mad.

I will admit that I did like the movie that had "Henry Ian Cusick" playing Jesus. Even though I do not agree with a lot of what the bible has to say, I did like the fresh new friendlier approach to the character of Jesus in that movie. I also remember some of the other girls saying that "Henry Ian Cusick" made a sexy Jesus....LMAO!!! I'm sure that would be considered a blasphemous statement by many hard core christians.

Yeah, I like LOST quiet a bit myself. To answer your question it comes back on January 31st.

Re: The rise and fall of delusion - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:35:00 -0000

Even as a christian, I was not able to abandon reality thinking. Anytime I questioned something, christians would get aggravated with me, and would tell me that I had no faith in God, or I had a rebellion problem with God.

I remember during a session with one of the associate pastors from a church that I use to go to, was leading me through a prayer. He told me to acknowledge that Jesus was in the room with us. That is when I stopped and told him, "Jesus is not here in this room, he is in heaven", and has not returned to Earth yet. I remember my associate pastor getting frustrated with me over my comment. I told him I felt no comfort from Jesus or the Holy Spirit. He told me that I could not go on feelings alone, however I could not deny that my feelings were real.

Living the christian life did not solve my problems, nor did it bring meaning to life for me personally. It only caused more emptiness to occur inside of me, and it brought tons of defeat and failures in my life, because I had stopped believing in myself and my own abilities to succeed in the game of life.

I knew that deep down the only thing that would bring hope and meaning in my life would be for me to once again take charge of my life again, and obtain goals in life. Seeking after an invisible man did not provide any happiness for me period.

I was told that until I learned to trust in Jesus and Jesus alone, that I would never go anywhere in life, and I would remain defeated as a christian. Well I lived defeated, because I felt like these christians were right.

When I looked back at my life before I became a christian at the age of 23, I had noticed that I had been more successful with reaching my goals back when I was not worried about what God thinks, and when I was not a slave to christianity.

Congratulations Ridiot. You are still young. Do not look back, only look ahead. Consider your time involved in christianity a learning experience which will enable you to help others escape the same type of christian oppression that people like us once lived in.

Re: The rise and fall of delusion - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:19:00 -0000

Pekingjohn Wrote:
"For you now, the measure of your life is no longer Jesus, the Bible, righteousness, and your faith. It is now your wife and kids, your job, your friends. Good food, good music, good books.
Enjoy life!"

Exactly! I couldn't have said it better myself.

That above statement from Pekingjohn is what Xtians need to realize anytime they claim there is no hope outside of Jesus.

Re: What do I believe? In short... - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:27:00 -0000

Hi Helen,

After reading your story, I felt the need to let you know that I can relate to you in many ways.

Out of the fear of possibly getting shunned, I have never made this known on here publicly until now. I am also Transgendered, so I understand a lot of what you are talking about when it comes to dealing with evangelical christians and being TG both.

HB Wrote: "Additionally evangelical Christians often take it as their personal mission to bring the new unbeliever back into the fold, usually without understanding what has underpinned the change – preferring instead to personalise the decision or working on the fear of judgment which often still remains. The assumption seems to be that if you’re not a Christian then you must be some kind of immoral beast without any ability to discern right from wrong. Moving away from Christianity must be some kind of delusion. The pressure can be immense"

I know exactly what you mean. Although I have been out of church for a few years now there were still a few christians who I stayed in touch with, due to the fact that outside of their belief system, I still valued my friendship with them even if I no longer agreed with their beliefs.

There was one christian friend of mine, who I felt I could confide in when I told him about my plans to transition from male to female. I knew he would not agree with my decision, however he had always been a very easy going guy, and I felt that I could at least get him to meet me halfway and understand what I was doing and why I was doing it. Of course, he did not understand or agree with what I was doing, and I was foolish for thinking he would.

He was very gentle with me overall, however he wanted to start meeting with me for bible studies on Thursday every week. He told me that we would not discuss the subject of me being TG. He went on to tell me that the purpose of meeting with him once a week for bible study was just to get me back into a relationship with Jesus, because I had left the fold back in 2004. He said he was more concerned with me leaving the fold than he was with me transitioning.

I agreed to meet with my christian friend, however, our meetings only lasted for 2 weeks. He basically took me through a few verses in the book of Romans, and I honestly found myself wanting to debate him, and point out all of the contradictions of the bible. He found that I was no longer teachable when it came to embracing christianity.

Every time I tried to debate him, he always told me, "Let's get back on the subject of what we were talking about, open your bible to......".

I don't know why he thought sharing scripture with me that I already knew would make a difference. I guess he expected God to use his holy spirit to convict and convince me that I was wrong for what I was doing.

I told him this was nothing new and I was not phased by biblical scripture. He told me that he didn't think I have ever gotten the correct information about the love of Jesus. He thought that I had been under the teachings of pure legalism instead, and he wanted me to focus more on the love of Jesus.

Finally after our 2nd week of meeting with each other, I questioned his real motive for wanting to have bible study with me. He confirmed what I had believed to be his motive all along.

He told me that he was hoping that by sharing some biblical truth with me that I would realize that I don't need to transition to feel more complete as an individual, and that I would finally realize that my identity in Christ was all that mattered, and that would be enough. His attempt at trying to do so failed. I called him out on it, and I finally told him exactly what I thought about christianity. That is when he started changing his tune with me.

He never got really hateful or nasty, however he told me that I was getting ready to mutilate my body and damage God's temple. He then started the typical scare tactics of how there were going to be consequences for what I was about to do. I finally got angry and flew into him, and told him some things that he did not want to hear about his faith.

He then told me that it looked like I was too far gone from his world, and there was nothing else he could do to help me, so we parted ways after that. He finally told me that he could no longer be a part of my world because of the road I had chosen to go down. He said his heart ached for me.

That's when I told my christian friend that my heart ached for someone like him, because his belief system causes nothing but division and hurt among people. I told him that it is sad that he allows his faulty faith to alienate others.

I also told him that he was the one who was living in bondage, because he was enslaved to a faulty belief system, and that he needed to learn to accept people regardless of what they believed. I then told him that his so called truths that he wanted to share with me were not strong enough to stand up against the new information that I had obtained in regards to the contradictions and problems with the bible, and if he was relying on the bible to back up his claim, then he was fighting a losing battle. I then went on to tell him that he did not stand a chance in bringing me back to the fold by relying on the bible and the same old worn out recycled information, nor would he be able to stop my transition. In a nutshell, I told him that he had failed in trying to do doing so.

He didn't even try to understand or educate himself on the subject of being TG. Instead he tried to educate me with his one sided point of view, and he dismissed all other points that I was trying to make to him about people who are transgendered. He told me that he thought I was confused.

One statement that I do remember my christian friend saying that did kind of shock me was this:

"Maybe I am wrong, who knows? However, I choose to stand on my faith in Jesus Christ, and I will continue to stand on my faith even if what I believe is not true".

Just hearing this man of God admit that he might be wrong, was not something I expected to hear from him. I think I probably caused him to have some seeds of doubt to be honest.

This same person has a huge role in his church and is also a deacon. I would hate to imagine what other christians and members of his flock would say if they had heard my friend admit that maybe he is wrong about what he believes.

In closing, I understand what you are going through Helen in regards to struggling with the christian faith and being TG both. I want you to know that you are not alone.

Mandy xooxoxo

Re: What do I believe? In short... - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:47:00 -0000

Hi Helen,

Yes, it is cruel the way a lot of christians treat people who are different. I'm so sorry to hear what all you had to go through. My heart truly aches for you.

Helen Wrote: " Yet, improbably, "mutilating one's body" is fine when it comes to other "elective" surgeries - such as breast enlargement which at least two women in the church group that I led had"

You are exactly right. A lot of christians love to point fingers when it suits them.

I too have witnessed and dealt with typical christian arrogance on many occasions.

I will be more than happy to email you.

Mandy xoxoxoxo

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Mandy — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:41:00 -0000

It is good to know that I was not the only one who is TG who had been posting on here. I am also glad to see how well we are being received so far.

Like I had mentioned previously, out of my fear of possibly getting shunned on here, I had never made it publicly known on this site that I was a M2F Tgirl until just recently.

It is true that a lot of people think that being Transgendered has to do with "Sexual Orientation", when it in fact has to do with, "Sexual Identity", (Identifying with the opposite gender).

A lot of christians fail to realize that being TG is a birth defect, and just like most other subjects, a lot of christians refuse to look beyond their own programming and do the research and educate themselves on the matter.

I don't know how many times I have heard how someone who is TG prayed that God would heal them, and it never happened.

Mandy

Re: The Bible was not the product of some deity - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:00:00 -0000

Franciscan Monkey,

I noticed that you mentioned, "Pensacola Christian College" as one of the colleges that you had considered at one time.

I was actually accepted into PCC back in 1997. However, when I first started to attend school at PCC, I was scared to death, and having all kinds of doubts about what I was doing. I asked God over and over again to give me peace about what I was doing, and I felt nothing from him. All I got was dead silence and my fears would not go away.

So as a result, I decided to withdraw and I informed the dean that I would not be attending, and I went back home.

I will say that I regret that I wasted so much time enrolling at PCC. When I came back home to my city, and started working for this one company that I had worked for as a temporary employee right before I left to go down to attend PCC in Florida, I found out that if I had stuck around that I would've gotten a full time job with that same company working for a really cool boss, and would've gotten a $2,000 Xmas bonus at the end of the year.

Instead I ended up starting all over again with that same company as a temporary employee once again. I did end up getting permanent employment with that same company, however it was in a crummy department, and missed out on the end of the year $2,000 Xmas Bonus.

I really screwed up.

I would hate to imagine what the folks down at PCC would think about my life today. They would be horrified and would never even consider looking at my application if I were to apply today. However, it will be a cold day in hell before I will ever apply at another christian college. That's for sure.

Enjoyed reading your story. Thanks for posting it!

Mandy

Re: The Bible was not the product of some deity - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:11:00 -0000

Fransican Monkey Wrote: "They don't want to hear anything that may contradict their beliefs. I don't get that attitude. If the evidence to support those beliefs is so strong, won't it withstand scrutiny? Of course, that is why most pastors don't want people to question their Christian beliefs, as any decent investigation will reveal them as lacking any substance."

You are right Fransican Monkey.

The "Real Truth" scares christians to death.

I really do wonder how a lot of christians would deal with life once they found out that the thing they have clinged onto for dear life for so many years was once and for all exposed for the lie that it is?

Once they found out without a shadow of a doubt that the christian message is false, I wonder if there would be several christians who would actually be so devistated that they would end up committing suicide as scary as that may sound.

I've heard many christians claim that without Jesus life has no meaning to them. I find that to be a very sad statement.

Life has so much more to offer than that.

Re: Christianity does not care for people -- it wants only to grow itself - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:25:00 -0000

Shadia Wrote: But adulthood brings challenges, and I saw firsthand, many times, that Christian lives may be no better than "heathen" lives, and that Christians may hurt others WITH and BECAUSE OF Christianity, yet still claim that Christianity is all about love.

You are exactly right Shadia.

Christians hide behind their God anytime they do wrong. They always use the excuse that "Satan made them do it", or "My flesh got in the way". Most christians never take personal responsibility for their own actions.

I honestly can say that I find more love and acceptance from Non-christians, than I ever did around christians. The thing I like about Non-Christians is that you can be yourself. That's true freedom.

Shadia Wrote:
"For me, it was the ultimate insult - she was a Christian, and yet her life, which was rich and full, was reduced to nothing but an opportunity to preach this man's own agenda."

I am so sorry to hear about that Shadia. You are right, it's all about christians promoting their own agenda. It's really sad to see all of this glory and credit given to a mythical being who supposedly existed 2,000 years ago who none of us have ever met in person. It's sad to see a mythical being put ahead of a real and living person who actually existed in real life.

I find it insulting to see people who get robbed of their own contributions to life for the sake of the christian message.

My father is a 79 year old fundamental christian, who is so brainwashed that it is pathetic. He has lost complete control of his family, and he complains all the time about how he gets no respect.

My father lost our respect when he started neglecting his own family and started putting his church ahead of all of us. He treats his church family with more respect than he ever did his own family.

I don't know how many times I have asked my father to spend time with me, only to be told: "I can't because I have to be at church, and I've got to meet with the gideons to hand out bibles, plus I've got a Deacon Meeting to attend".

My dad has put me off all of his life, however when his church calls here asking him for favors, he jumps up and takes off just like that. It sickens me.

I asked my dad how he felt about the fact that his beliefs and decision to follow Jesus is costing him his family, and he claims that he has no regrets, because the bible teaches that we are supposed to put God ahead of our own family. He also says he would do it all over again if he had the chance to do so. I told him that his Jesus was a selfish prick who cared only about himself, and if Jesus really did care, he would not command people to leave and forsake their families to follow him.

Even Jesus was a self-centered individual who cared only about his own personal agenda. As far as his death on the cross was concerned, I see Jesus "So called death" as a joke, and an overblown story considering that he was supposedly "God" and he had the power to transition back to life. There was no real death when Jesus was crucified.

Jesus may have taken a beating, however that beating is nothing compared to the little kid who is ate up with cancer who has been battling for their life for 6 months in a hospital scared to death, and confused. My dad has even had the arrogance to say that Jesus suffered worse than that kid did. Can you believe that shit?

The only thing Jesus did was take a beating and he went to sleep, and woke up 3 days later. That's how I see the death of Jesus.

Anyways, as I was saying about my dad, I know deep down inside he has no peace. He has even said so about how disturbed he is that his family is so divided. He claims that he is paying the price for following his so called precious Jesus.

IMO, people who put Christ ahead of their families should not have kids. I would never put some mythical being ahead of my own family.

My dad also has several health problems. He may not be around for very many more years, and regardless of what he has done I will miss him when he passes away. I dread that day in spite of everything I feel he has done wrong. Regardless of what my dad has done, he is still my dad.

One other thing that I am going to dread about my dad's passing away is his funeral, which will be very christian oriented. I dread having to sit there and listen to all of the christian garbage that will be coming out of the mouths of his preacher and many other christians who go to hus church, along with that awful gospel music. That stuff just makes me sick to my stomach and makes my skin crawl.

Shadia Wrote: "I realized then that Christianity does not care for people. It wants only to grow itself, because it thinks itself is more important than REAL relationships - like ones with family and friends, LIVING people. Jesus is not living, and he cannot love you. For me, this is the freedom to have a deep, rich life, not one built on a fairytale and relationship with the imaginary. Real relationships are worth much much more."

That's what I have been saying all along. Relationships with "Real" and "Living, Breathing" people is all that matters. Not some imaginary invisible man. I found no comfort in a relationship with Jesus. Having a relationship with Jesus is no more comforting than having a relationship with a rock or a tree.

I have found that when times got tough there was no great comforter of great counselor there for me back during my christian days. There was nothing more than deep dark silence. Christianity only put me further into the pit of depression.

Jesus is not real. Anyone who thinks they can have a relationship with a man who supposedly died 2,000 years ago should be on prozac, locked up in a mental institution, and given shock therapy.

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Mandy — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:42:00 -0000

ATF Wrote: "Mandy, was this something you recently told your Dad?
From our previous conversations about you and your Dad, I hadn't thought you were 'ready' to be this, ummm, assertive with him yet?"

Hi ATF,

Yes, I told him that just the other day during an argument that I was having with him.

ATF Wrote,
"I can't speak for what cemeteries are like in other area's, but I can tell you that in my area, the very last place I'd ever want to be buried is in a Catholic Cemetary!!
They have a list of NO's, longer than Santa's toy list."

The thought of being buried is bad enough, although we don't know it....lol! It's just the thought of it. Cemetaries give me the creeps anyway.

If you think Catholics are strict, I think Baptists are worse with their list of "Do's & Don'ts".

Re: Christianity does not care for people -- it wants only to grow itself - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:19:00 -0000

Hi Kozi,

Thanks for your kind words. My dad and I get along ok most of the time just as long as we don't discuss politics, religion, and money.

That is what sparks most of our arguments.

My poor dad has not taken a vacation since August of 1991. He does not know how to stop and take it easy. He pushes himself to perform, even though he has been retired since 1987. He claims he does not have the time to take a vacation anymore.

As a result, my dad has had at least one mental burn out which happened back in 2003. It was really sad I remember. A few days after he got out of the hospital, he did not want to go outside, or go anywhere period. He became a prisoner in his own house, and all he would do was sit there and stare at the walls. He didn't want to be bothered by anyone period. He was mentally broken.

One thing about that time period I remember the most is when he kept on saying: "I can't seem to get God to talk to me. What's wrong? Why am I not able to hear from God"?

That was just one year before I walked away from the christian faith. Now when I look back at it, I now see that as a time when my dad was really in touch with reality.

That was a time period when my dad found out just how unreal his God was who he had placed so much faith and trust in over the years. He was right, there was no God there to talk to. That's the only time in his life that he found that out, even though he claims today that God is the one who pulled him out of his mental depression, when in reality it was his doctor, friends, and support from his family that helped him to recover. Not God.

In less than a year, he was back to his old christian self of course. I'm sure his christian associates reprogrammed his mind for him.

As much as I hate to admit this, in all honesty, my dad would probably be better off keeping his beliefs about his God. I really do believe he would just completely give up on life if he did not have his faulty beliefs about his God to lean on. I'm just glad that I have learned not to trust in such a being.

It may be a faulty belief, however if it gives my dad comfort, and if it is the main thing that keeps him going, then I guess he's better off with it then he is without it. I really think he would lose the will to live if he didn't have his christian belief to cling onto. My dad has enormous health problems and the most productive years of his life are behind him. The church is about all he has left besides his family. If my dad didn't have the church to keep him busy he would completely mentally shutdown, and die I do believe as sad as that is.

I think that the church in a way has been a replacement for my dad's career that he retired from 21 years ago. It has kept him going, however it has over consumed his life which is also a bad thing. Even though he's retired, my dad is still a workaholic to this very day. The only difference is that he's a workaholic for his God.

I just hate that he has neglected his family at times for the sake of his belief, and his church. Plus he has mentally enslaved his mind and no longer knows how to sit back and enjoy life.

He thinks Jesus wants him to take on everyone else's problems, and forsake having a life for himself.

People at my dad's church also take advantage of the fact that my dad does not know how to say "NO" to them. They depend on him for quiet a few things when it comes to church business, and due to the fact that my most of the people who go to my dad's church are country bumpkins who don't know a whole lot about business. My dad goes to a small little country church that has an attendance of around 40 to 60 people. He's about the only one who goes there who has a college degree and who has experience in the business world.

In a way the church has become a "Non-Profit" corporation for my dad to run in his last days.

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Mandy — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:48:00 -0000

Jeff P. Wrote: "I've also wondered many times how to challenge the argument of "don't blame Christianity, just try to put up with the un-Christian-like Christians since they are only sinners, etc." I think there's scriptural reference to the fact that, once "saved," the Holy Spirit will reside within you and show you all truth. I would expect, then, that among all the saved people, we'd see one "truth," and the behaviors would follow."

Don't you just love the excuses christians come up with to justify their own irresponsible behavior?

They do make every excuse in the world to cover up for why christianity really does not work.

The real reason why the holy spirit does not come into the lives of these people to change and improve them is because there is no such thing as the holy spirit. It's all one big lie that christians have been spreading for the past 2,000 years now.

People change, because they choose to change. God has nothing to do with it. People have the will and power within themselves to change and improve their lives.

That includes christians also. Any christian who claims that it was "God" who changed them for the better changed only because they found the will power within themselves to change. God didn't do anything.

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Mandy — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:51:00 -0000

ATF Wrote: "if you were to try and make up a personality profile of your NT jesus, you would land up with him having a Multiple Personatliy Disorder, as he's anything but consistent in his nature."

You could also say that God (aka) Jesus is a Sociopath.

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Mandy — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:15:00 -0000

Dr. Jim Wrote: "Yep, I have been there, too (Amway). In Christianity, as practiced by all too many ministers, they prey upon your ultimate worry: your eternal destiny."

Dr. Jim,
Although I don't agree with your post about christianity, I can say that I do relate to you when it comes to "Amway".

My bad experience in dealing with MLM was in the form of Amway's sister business called "Quixtar", which is basically "Amway" online.

Re: I honestly believed in the Christian god. No longer; no more. - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:30:00 -0000

Matt wrote: "Life is hard. Sorry for your struggles."

Yep, and Jesus doesn't make life any easier. Yet he claims in his word:
"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." ( Matthew 11:28-30)

I'm sure to many christians that scripture sounds good to them. However in reality life does not work that way. There is no personal Jesus who makes our burdens light, and there is no Jesus who we can rest in. You were right Matt, life is hard, and another fact is that Jesus does not make things any better for any of us.

If Jesus is a real living being then Jesus should be the one making the apology about life being so difficult, not you Matt.

If Jesus is real, then Christians need to let Jesus speak for himself. Perhaps if all of the christians would stop speaking for him, Jesus might come out of hiding and reveal himself. However, I'm not holding my breath on that one either.

Quoting scripture does not benefit anyone. All it does is builds more false hopes and causes people to be more delusional. Instead of helping people solve problems, christians quote scripture or they tell you that they will pray for you, which provides no real comfort, nor does it solve anyone's problems. Only people can help each other.

The only way to make this world a better place is to start trusting in our own abilities, and get rid of all of this superstition about God and Jesus making things better. People are going to have to start working together in this world to make it a better place. Trusting in God and Jesus will not make this world a better place. Most christians are more focused on the destruction of this planet. They are more focused on dying than they are in living.

Matt Wrote: "It's life's challenges that Satan brings that either galvanize our faith or cause us to walk away"

I wonder why Jesus allows Satan to harass others which could possibly cause some people to walk away from the faith Matt? Why is it that Satan seems to be more of a soul winner than what Jesus was or is? If Jesus truly cared about his followers, then it appears he would not allow Satan to harass others which could lead to them possibly walking away from the faith.

It's almost like Satan and God are playing Chess with the people of Earth. The Earth is the Chess Board and the people who live here are God and Satan's Chess Pawns, and we are all part of some big game between Satan and God.

It also kind of reminds me of someone who gambles. Satan and God placed a bet against Job, and they played with Job's life to see who would win the bet.

I've said it many times, and I am going to say it again. Satan seems to have more power and influence over the people here on planet Earth than what Jesus does. Jesus can't seem to do much to influence people and get them to believe him. Satan seems to be the one who knows how to win friends and influence people according to most christians. Satan also seems to be more available to people than what Jesus is.

It's sad that Jesus won't do anything to help christians prove their case for him. It seems he has left all of his people down here to fight the good fight all by themselves, and he doesn't seem to do anything to lend any of his people a helping hand.

Christians are more faithful to Jesus than he has ever been to any of them. That's for sure

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Mandy — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:49:00 -0000

Matt Wrote: "I know this will simply contribute to the viewpoint you already hold that this God is just mean and vindictive"

Yes Matt, you have proven that point. Thanks for your contribution.

Matt Wrote: "but I believe God is good yet still has complete authority over all things including satan. God galvanizes his people through trial. He tests our faith."

You may believe it Matt, however it is only a belief, not a fact which you cannot prove to be true. All you are presenting is more excuses for why your God's wrong doings.

As far as God needing to test our faith, why would an all knowing God who already knows the outcome need to test our faith? That is absurd.

Your statements also clearly say that God is basically a user, and he cares only about his own self centered agenda. He does not care about the pain he afflicts on others who live in this world. He just wants someone to give him attention. I find your God to be no more loving than what Adolf Hitler was.

Matt Wrote: "I believe God loves you and wants you to put your faith in him."

Well considering that I am a lowly human being who has needs and emotional desires, I really don't care about what some spiritual manipulative bully named God wants.

I'm the one who has needs, not some all powerful God. He could care less about anything any of us down here on planet Earth wants.

God sure has a funny way of showing his so called love also. I find your and God's view of love to be quiet twisted. Threatening to roast people in hell is not love. No human parent would allow such a thing to happen. Even if I made the choice to set myself on fire, my parents would not allow me to do so. Your God is not about love. Your God is all about his own little mind games he seems to enjoy playing.

Matt Wrote: "Remember, faith is not about what is seen, but what is unseen. If, as most people demand, you want God to show himself else you won't believe, then it's not faith. If what we have faith in could be scientifically verified it would no longer be called faith"

Well unfortunately faith is not good enough for people like myself who needed answers back during our lowest point in our lives. The fact is that your God did not care about my personal needs, and the hell that I was going through. Your God just wants to torment people to see how they will react.

I for one need to have answers, instead of being told to simply have faith. Having faith in the God who you believe in nearly is what nearly destroyed my life.

Being told "God loves you" is nothing more than worthless lip service. Once again Matt let your God speak for himself.

I will also remind you that the bible is not authentic proof of your God's existence or his word. It is only hear-say, and was written by men who claimed they knew what God was telling them.

The bible is basically the opinions of men who lived back during that time period who expressed their own personal point of views about who and what God is, or what he is supposed to be.

You can quote scripture Matt, however I still say let your God do the talking, not some ancient book that is flawed.

Re: I honestly believed in the Christian god. No longer; no more. - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:02:00 -0000

Just to add to my previous post:

Why is is so important that we have faith? Why would it hurt God to prove his own existence to us? Isn't proof supposed to be more important than faith?

God wanting people to have faith in him is God's way of playing mind games with all of us it seems.

Matt, I don't know if you are new to this site or not, however you will not be able to prove your case for Christ on here. There are many others who post on this site who will shred your case for Christ to pieces. Some of these people are a lot more educated than I am, and they know how to expose christianity for the lie that it is.

You are not the only christian to ever come onto this site thinking that they can convince us that "The Christian Way is the right way".
I suggest you don't waste your time trying to prove your case for Christ to any of us, because you will fail. All you will end up doing is reminding people like myself how sick and tired we are of hearing this same BS from christians like you. This site was created for people like myself who have struggled to get away from the oppression known as christianity. This site is not a place for christians like you to come on here trying to score brownie points for your Savior Jesus by your constant worthless bible babbling.

Like all christians you provide nothing but worthless scripture quoting and cheap talk which proves nothing about your God's existence.

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Mandy — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:13:00 -0000

Anonymous Wrote: "The problem with you atheist is that you really don’t understand the love of God."

The problem with Christians like yourself is that you apparently do not read the posts on this site. You live in a fantasy world and do not live in modern day reality.

The so called "love of God" is nothing more than a fable that has been passed down from generation to generation. Go back and read your bible where it talks about where God had innocent people murdered in his name. You also need to read in the bible where God also killed several innocent women and children by destroying their cities. I find your comments to be absurd, and very insulting to anyone who has intelligence.

I guarantee that most people (Non-believers who were once part of the christian faith) know a lot more about the bible than you do. You are a typical "Cherry Picking Christian" who cherry picks Bible Verses that speak of love only. You read and hear only what you want to read and hear. Go back and read about the anger, jealousy, and wrath of your God. The one who makes murderous threats against innocent people who choose not to follow him. Your God is a double minded individual who talks out of both sides of his mouth when it comes to love. Your God is no different than someone who threatens to slit someone's throat if they don't give him what he wants. Christianity and the bible is nothing more than man made spiritual manipulation and brainwashing.

I am convinced that the bible is more less man's point of view about his beliefs in God based on his own personal bigotry. The people who existed back during the time period that the bible was written had no respect for women and were homophobic. I give the bible no credibility whatsoever. Anyone who believes that it is the word of God is very naive and gullible. You only believe out of the fear of burning in hell. That is only why you choose to believe. You are enslaved to a ancient mythical belief, and are a product of spiritual manipulation. Christianity is a form of mental illness, and is not too much more different than schizophrenia.

Anonymous Wrote: "The reason God want us to fear him is because he love you. God doesn’t want you to spend eternity in hell and that’s why he son to save humanity from sin."

So God is so limited in his power that he has no other ability to save people from burning in hell. However he is supposed to be so powerful and mighty, yet he is so limited when it comes to saving people from eternal torment. *rolls eyes*

First of all nobody asked Jesus to die for us. I don't owe Jesus a thing,nor did I ask God to place me on this planet. According to God and his "so called word" the only thing I am guilty of is being born on this planet and being a human being. So therefore according to the christian belief I am guilty by association because two people who supposedly existed thousands of years ago by the names of "Adam and Eve" who also happen to be "human beings" who none of us have ever met or known committed some horrific crime in the garden of Eden, and somehow people who are living in today's world are guilty for some reason, although none of us were around back during that time period. Now I want you to think about how silly that kind of reasoning is Anonymous. Try to open your mind and think about how irrational and illogical that kind of reasoning really is.

I along with everyone else who lives in this world today are not responsible for the sins of Adam and Eve, so therefore I have done nothing to deserve hell fire, because I am not responsible for what Adam and Eve's supposedly did thousands of years ago. So therefore I will not plead guilty to a crime that I did not commit.

Nor will I submit to this jealous God who threatens to burn people in hell all because we refuse to give him the attention that he wants. This God who you speak of has a major problem with insecurity and jealousy. I will not submit to some spiritual manipulation out of the fear of hell. God's love is nothing more than a bald faced lie. His actions (of today) prove who he really is, that is if he even exists in the first place. Any God who uses the threats of eternal torment is not worth serving.

Anonymous Wrote: "It’s like a kid fearing the punishment of his parents. It’s not like the parents don’t love him, but there are just disciplining the kid out of love. God has always mercy."

The two don't even compare. No matter what any child has ever done I don't know of any parent who would allow their child to be set on fire like that. Don't sit there and insult human love by comparing it to your angry and wrathful God's so called love. Your idea of love is very twisted, and sickening. I can't believe you expect any of us to be stupid enough to believe that God is actually a "God of love". You obviously have a lot to learn Anonymous.

Anonymous Wrote: "Please take time and really think about John 3:16. and when you read ponder on it, and there and there only can you see the beauty of our lord"

Anonymous, please take time to read the stories and testimonies of other ex-christians on this site and enlighten your mind, and maybe if you open your mind enough you will then understand why none of us desire to be enslaved once again to the cult known as christianity.

You will also find that many of us have found a more abundant life ever since leaving christianity, and why we have no desire to return to it ever again.

As far as reading and pondering on John 3:16, the only thing that you will ever see is words on paper that have no practical meaning. The bible is just some stupid book that was written 2,000 years ago for the purpose of controlling and enslaving people to fear. You are one of those victims.

"John 3:16" is nothing more than plain spiritual propaganda, and manipulation.

Just so you know anonymous, you really are out of your league by trying to debate anyone on this site. You are clueless about what you are up against by trying to prove your case for Christ. You will not win, nor will you be able to convince anyone on this site that christianity works. None of us will change our mind about what we believe. Many other christians have come onto this site trying to convince us that christianity works and that God is all about love, and in the end every christian has found out that they cannot prove their case for Christ, and they all end up giving up and leaving this site.

May reality save you from your enslaved and delusional mind one day.

You need to try reality Anonymous. It really works. Once you learn to trust in your own judgment and learn how to make decisions and think for yourself you will find that you are able to accomplish a lot more in life than you ever did as a christian. However, if you still see the need for a spiritual crutch, then I don't know what else to tell you.

All I know is life outside of christianity is "TRUE FREEDOM".

That's the thing you don't understand Anonymous.

Re: Rejecting John 3:16 - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:31:00 -0000

Matt: "The phrase 'I am that I am' is pretty powerful."

Jim Arvo responds: How is that powerful? (Didn't Popeye say something like that?)

So that is how Jesus resurrected on the 3rd day. He simply ate his spinach....lol!

Re: One Nation Under Huck - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:20:00 -0000

Due to the fact that Jesus has failed to return to this earth and redeem all christians, this is all a desperate attempt for these poor panicking christians to try and get control of the whole entire nation, and enslave all of us.

People like Huckabee will try to play God. That's how desperate christians have gotten. I also believe as the christian ship starts sinking further and further into the ocean, christians could possibly become even more dangerous in some ways politically which could threaten many more of our civil liberties and freedoms in this country.

I've said it time and time again. Christians hate true freedom.

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Mandy — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:22:00 -0000

Just Asking Wrote:
"Yeah, Christians are the worst. They bash everyone who is unlike them and lie to stay in volunteer programs.....oh wait. That's the atheist"

I have not posted on here in quiet awhile, however I felt the need to reply to the above comment by "Just Asking".

As some of you who have been posting on here for quiet awhile already know, I am a "Transsexual Lesbian". I am also Agnostic.

Although I do not always agree with the Atheist's point of view I will say that I have received better treatment and more respect from most atheists and other Non-Chrsitians than I have ever received from any christian.

Christians have done nothing, but alienated my kind along with the rest of the GLBT Community. Christians have done nothing but interfered in our rights, and they continue to alienate and persecute my people.

It angers me anytime I hear some christian wine and complain about how they are persecuted and how atheists are so bad. That's a crock of shit. It is christians who do the most persecuting. Some christians (Not All) are just as bad as the Nazis were.

I have far more respect for atheists and other Non-Christians than I have ever had for most christians.

Unlike most christians, most atheists are willing to be more open minded, and most atheists are willing to accept people for who they are regardless of what they believe, or how they live.

Most christians reject and alienate anyone who does not live by the christian standard.

Re: Scouting and the atheist family - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:48:00 -0000

In regards to Eris' post, I agree that we have to stand up to christian bullies.

Unless we draw the line and take a stand against christian bullies like the Scout Master who Eris was talking about, christian bullies will continue to run over, and oppress others.

Sometimes we have to take a stand, and fight back in order to make this world a better place.

If Eris were to take her boys out of the "Boy Scouts" and leave, it would be almost like giving that Scout Master and other bigots like him a victory.

We cannot continue to allow bigots to have those type of victories. We must stand our ground against people like that. This country should be for all people regardless of religion and lifestyles. We should not stand by and allow this country to become a christian dictatorship.

It is not fair for others who are different to have to live in fear of what a bunch of Right Winged Screw Jobs believe or want.

Re: http://siditty.blogspot.com/2009/06/what-comes-first-race-or-gender.html

Mandy — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:10:15 -0000

Why is Frontpage mag a bad place for info? They are not pulling there stats out of their ass? What makes a left-wing source more credible than a right wing source? My ancestors didn't take anybody from Africa. My ancestors came to America in 1971. It was your ancestors who sold you to the white man. You say you have no interest in leaving America, but why? If America is so racist and bad. If you feel so oppressed why don't you move to a predominantly black nation? Nobody is forcing you to stay here. I didn't say blks get a free ride but you get an easier ride than a poor white person does that for sure. You make less money because blk people are less educated on average compared to whites. You don't get paid less for the same work, it's against the law. And if there is a difference, the difference is miniscule. You don't get harsher sentences for crimes. You get harsher sentences for certain drug crimes, because black politicians wanted it that way because they felt that crack was destroying the blk community in the 80's, and blk officials demanded harsher sentences.

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vote 4 smetnjakkkk! ♥

Re: Poetical, Confessional, Multiple Craziness.

Mandy — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:40:00 -0000

Surfed in through the friday haiku page, love your blog!!

And as others have said, your hair looks great, mine looks like CRAP if I don't wash it even one day haha.

:)

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Mandy — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:51:51 -0000

Captain you sounds like a stud, bra. We should meet up at a festival

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i think this is a awsome desigh.i would like to buy one of these when they come out

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Who the hell buys things like this...?

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:18:37 -0000

Its time to stop talking, and start listening to the stories of those in the Gay community. Many of them have experienced things I could never dream of being able to handle. The other day I did something I needed to do, I apologized to my brother who is gay, for all of the times my Christian family has made him feel less than us. I told him I love him and support him, and then I listened. We talked about things I never knew he went through. I was horrified at the things people have done to him because he is gay. I dont have all of the answers, but I can tell you this...Jesus loved this way. Completely with no strings attached. Its time for Christains to start acting like the Jesus that we say we serve. There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out all fear....>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:03:33 -0000

Spanking is one of those things that bible literalists pull out of the bible,and tell us we need to do, to be godly parents. At the Calvary Chapel I went to, that was all they seemed to talk about in our moms group. I once saw one of the fathers at that church smack his two year old on the hand so hard it would of brought tears to my eyes. Those parents told me that when their kids disobey, they step out of the circle of safety, Just as we do, when we disobey God. That approach makes me sick. I went against the tide and have consistently without anger talked to my kids about why their behavior is not appropriate when they misbehave. They are strictly disciplined (timeouts etc.)but it never includes any hitting or harsh words. I have modeled kindness, and now my children are kind and sensitive little people. My friends who were spanking their kids, well lets just say their kids are totally out of control. Their parents escalated the situation by spanking their kids, and they have hardened their spirits. It s very sad.

I think the big difference between the two camps on these sorts of issues is, the people who believe that the bible is the literal word of God and speaks to everything in life (psychology, childrearing etc). Then there are those who dont take all of the writings as completely literally and who also look at the history, cultural context and Genre of writing that the specific book falls into. I think most debate comes down to the different approaches of the readers to the bible. I used to be a literalist, but I did some deeper digging, and now I realize thats not an approach I can believe in any more.>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:11:44 -0000

Yes Deb, you are totally right. Its interesting how bible literalists are choosey on what they are literal about. For example total grace to divorced christians (as long as they are straight). We arent wearing head coverings in the church anymore, and women are allowed to speak in church, even though Paul said women should not speak in church but should go home and ask their husbands questions they might have in church, and should have their heads covered.

Its pretty obvious to me that its pick and choose for them.>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:56:01 -0000

I just dont take everything the bible says, literally without keeping it in context. If the author of the book says to cane your child (from what I understand the rod was similar to caning and was a common form of discipline for children) and my concience tells me thats wrong, I think I should go with my concience and the Holy Spirit that lives within me. Im not saying anyone who takes the bible as literal words straight from God, are bad. You obviously share the same sort of passion for Christ that I do. Im just making the point that there are two very different ways of looking at the bible and that is what is causing so much judgement and intolerance between more progressive christians, and more conservative ones. I would love to see the body of Christ be one, because united in our passion for Christ we could do so much for God.

One example of not taking the bible literally would be Revelation and the Left Behind sort of theology. After studying the Genre of Apocalyptic writings of that time, the highly symbolic language was common, and spoke to situations of oppressed people in the time they lived in, and was never meant to be read by us later and interpreted as an end of the world senario. Thats taking to literally and not understanding the intent of the author. That is not the best way to read the bible in my opinion. Of course I respect those to differ, but cant agree with them.>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:36:10 -0000

We should also remember that the temple prostitution that was going on in Pauls day, involved some very perverse behaviors that people were doing in the name of God. The verses in the bible that sound like they are refering to homosexuals, cannot be removed from the cultural context because what they were doing in those temples was not a monogomous gay relationship, it was sick twisted and violent (I will spare you the details)and does not compare to our modern understanding of being Gay. Do research on temple prositution in ancient times and you will see it does not compare.>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:05:36 -0000

Well there is hope, because I used to believe like Kevin, and I was raised an evangelical. My family is full of well meaning people who believe the way he does, and dont know how hurtful their behavior is. That is why I say, its time to listen. Just stop preaching, and really hear what our gay brothers, sisters and friends are saying. I think Brian Mclaren says it perfectly when he talks about backing away from easy answers, and also when he talks about the human condition and those complex realities. Things arent as black and white as Conservative Christians try to make it. I believe a persons sexuality is so personal, that only that person can know if they are being true to who God created them to be. Its not up to me to step into the role of God.

God Bless you all, even those who dont agree with me, remember that Jesus said that the world would know us by our love for one another.>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:16:10 -0000

Daniel makes a good point that Kevin is actually more tolerant than Paul sounds in some of his writings. I think some of Kevins views would even make him a liberal by the standards of the church 100 years ago. I believe what we can handle in the way of grace and tolerance evolves, and is very dependent on the society and family you are raised in. I think eventually allowing Gay people to be Christians and participate in church life wont be an issue, and we will look back with shame on our lack of understanding of the scriptures and teachings of Jesus.

Basicly it comes down to why you believe Jesus came....Did Jesus come to bring a gospel of love that renews us and brings us into Gods family (open to all)? Or did Jesus come to wipe out an old Law (the old covenant) and to Bring a new Law (the new covenent)with a new set of required beliefs, and hoops to jump through to earn Gods favor. Im sorry but that doesnt sound like good news to me.>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:21:14 -0000

Kevin,

I didnt say that the bible supports homosexual acts. I am saying that the bible was never meant to be a rule book for all of eternity. Its writings are diverse, and were writen by different authors all with different intentions. God gave me a concience and reason and I believe he wants me to use it. Always going back to the core message of Jesus. Which was (in my opinion) to love perfectly and completely all of his beatiful creations, including you. I dont think the gospel is so much about sin and hell, as it is love and grace and the new life of Jesus available to all. In my opinion this obession with sin and hell really gives Jesus a bad name. Jesus sided with the outcasts of society always giving them their dignity, as his follower, I will do the same.>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:24:10 -0000

Erin,

I cant wait to see the movie Jesus Camp...Its not in my town yet. I have the feeling its going to be hard for me to watch though, since that was my childhood, Christian camps every year, youth meetings etc.>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:34:33 -0000

Deb,

You are a good mom and love your son completely. Dont feel bad for being passionate. Its a mothers love, which in my opinion is probably the closest thing to Gods love I have ever experienced. Now that im a mom, I know that perfect total acceptance that I have for my children, and its a beautiful thing. Speaking of a mothers love I have to go wipe a snotty nose and wash some dishes, do some laundry etc...God Bless.>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:14:24 -0000

Erin,

Ive heard of Velvet Elvis, thanks for the recommendation, I love reading!!

Your so right about becoming like children, Children dont understand theology, they just fall into Gods love, and trust completely. Theres also no fear in children those fears get instilled by fearful people.>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:38:41 -0000

Those youth camps are mind control camps...Im sorry but those kids are not being taught to think for themselves.

I had a friend who suffered from anorexia and had some ocd issues and they actually did multiple excorsisms on her at a camp I went to. Needless to say she wasnt cured, but by losing that sort of religion, getting psychotherapy and going on medication she is doing much better, thank God!

The bible doesnt speak to every situation in life, trying to use it for issues like anorexia or obsessive compulsive disorder, is a very very bad idea.

Thanks for the nice words Deb!>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:44:27 -0000

Preach it Erin!>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:59:53 -0000

In this conversation there are lots of different view points. I would be interested to know what different kinds of churches you all go to, or if you go at all. Erin, what kind of church do you pastor? I have recently been trying a local Episcopal Church, but before that I was going to a nondenominational church. Im just curious...>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:21:44 -0000

Thanks Deb....I too am on a spritual journey and havent "arrived". I think its better to be honest and admit that you dont have all of the answers, than to try and force yourself to embrace someone elses ideas and faith. I love going to the Episcopal church when I go, because they arent forcing any theology down my throat, its a very sacred thing to just go, connect with God in a quiet holy place and then and then bring that connection with God into my week and all of my actions. Evangelical Churches are a little loud for me.I love the peaceful, contemplative type of service, just a personal preference.>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:41:41 -0000

Thanks Payshun. I have been reading this blog for a while and have always found your postings to very insightful and I always enjoy reading them.

Wayne, I agree about the drug use issue, and how its far more acceptable to admit drug use than Homosexuality. That is homophobia. How many Christians have ever admited to you that they have had sexual experiences or feelings for the same sex. Its just not done. But they will talk about almost anything else, porn addiction (as long as they are straight)drug addiction etc...>

Re: The price of battling the Christian Taliban - ExChristian.Net - News and Opinion

Mandy — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:06:00 -0000

I meant to say "Iron Necklaces" duh!

Sorry, I had a blonde moment. lol!

Re: If you logically look at Christianity, it just doesn’t add up - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:12:00 -0000

Dan Marvin Said: "Rom. 9:11-13 We see that God loved Jacob and hated Esau not because of anything that they did, but because of "God's purpose according to His choice,". Is this fair for God to do? Yes it is."

Dan, I have a question. Do you believe in "Predestination"? Basically, are you saying that you believe that God created some of us for the purpose of destruction according to what you said in that previous post?

Dan Marvin Said: "First of all, whatever God does is fair. God can do no wrong"

Oh, I understand then. So it is ok for God to do what he wants to, because he is "God". But, yet he wants us to follow his example: James 3:15 “For jealousy and selfishness are not God's kind of wisdom. Such things are earthly, unspiritual, and motivated by the Devil.”

Ok, God wants us to follow his example so here is another example of his example based on his truths:
Exd 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a "jealous" God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;

Wait a minute! God says to get rid of jealousy, yet he is jealous himself, but he wants us to follow his example? He says that jealousy is of the devil, yet God is jealous himself. Fine example of many of the "Contradictions" that are found in the bible. God seems to be a hypocrite.

Kind of reminds me of, "Do as I say, don't do as I do".

Plus God also says in Exodus 20:5 that he is going to punish the children of the "God Haters" up to the 3rd and 4th generations, even though those children were not responsible for the sins of their parents. This same God also thinks that we are all responsible for "Adam and Eve's" sins. God sure does like to take his anger out on everyone, and play the "Blame Game". One thing that I have learned about God over the years is that he is not willing to accept his own "irresponsibility", and screw ups. Then again, why should he? After all he is "God". *rolls eyes*

I guess when you are an "Almighty Being" with unlimited power, you can do whatever you want to do. So I guess he can afford to be "irresponsible", because he is "God" and we are tiny little insects to him that he takes great pleasure in manipulating and torturing. We are like entertainment for him.

I must say that "God's" version of what is "Fair" is quiet twisted. Your statement tells me that "God" is selfish and cares about nobody but himself. He will do what he wants to do, and if we don't like it well, that's just too bad.

Now let's recap what you said about "Rom. 9:11-13" again: "We see that God loved Jacob and hated Esau not because of anything that they did, but because of "God's purpose according to His choice,". Is this fair for God to do? Yes it is."

So, it's ok for God to love someone else, yet it's ok for him to hate another? That's not what Acts 10:34 claims: Act 10:34 Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons.

Did you read that Dan? It's ok for God to love someone else, but hate another, yet Peter claims that "God is no respecter of persons".

Yet another contradiction found in the bible, however notice that these were the words of "Peter", not God, however the Bible is supposed to be "The Word Of God", yet is says that "Peter opened his mouth". It doesn't say that "God opened his mouth". Peter claimed this. Not God.

Peter is a "Man" who has a "Wicked Heart" just like every other living human being. Remember Dan. It is "Peter" who opened [his] mouth, and said, "Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons".

So the bible isn't exactly the word of God, it is the word of "Peter" and other men's opinions of God. That right there just proves it even more. Seems that the authors of the bible didn't do a very good job of covering their tracks.

Oh wait! They were inspired by God you say? Once again for the one millionth time, can you prove that Dan? Can you prove that these men were special and were appointed by God himself to write these words on paper (tablet)?

After all, why should we take their word for it since men are evil and wicked liars like "Stronger Now" keeps pointing out to you.

Dan Marvin Said: This means that because we are all fallen and because we are all sinners, the "fair" thing to do is to let us all go to hell.Fairness deals with what is right. Since it is only God who is holy and pure and right, and not us, it is perfectly fair that all of us sinners be judged and condemned by God."

Once again, that is a very twisted version of the meaning of what is fair. It would be like sending you or me to prison for the crimes of mass murderers like "Son of Sam" or "Ted Bundy". Even though I did not take the lives of those victims, I am somehow responsible.

Wait a minute! You say that Jesus paid for their sins? However, somehow according to Jesus, we are still responsible for sins that we did not physically commit.

God sure does like taking his anger and wrath out on everyone, even though he planted Satan in the garden of Eden, and chose to set Adam and Eve up for the fall. If your God is real, then we are all victims of an Unfair God who wants to make all of us pay for his own screw ups.

Then again, it's ok for him to do that to us, because he is a powerful being known as "God" so because he is "God" that is what makes it right. All because of these two things.

1) His name is spelled G-O-D

2) Because he can, and he is all powerful, so that makes his "Wrong Doings" Right.

God sure is into black mail, and framing human beings.

Dan Marvin Said: "So, yes it is fair that God loves one and hates another. It is not fair, however, that God would send His Son to die for us so that we might be saved. That wasn't fair."

It seems to me that God is the one who chose to commit suicide by having himself crucified. Just like he chose to create Satan, and place a stumbling block in the Garden of Eden. God seems to not only enjoying framing people, he also enjoys playing cruel jokes on us lowly humans.

Dan Marvin Said: "I guess the short answer, 'Jesus' is the reason I believe the Bible."

Allah is the reason why Muslims believe in "The Qur'an". What makes you think that "The Qur'an" is not an authentic book Dan? Doesn't it deserve any credibility?

Dan Marvin Said: "I have tremendous joy and peace during persecution, tribulations and temptations in my life knowing He is there for me, that we are not alone."

Yeah, having an imaginary friend can be a comforting thing. I wonder if you would feel the same way if you lost your whole entire family?

A lot of the same christians who claim the same thing you claim always claim this too, "I am happily married to a wonderful spouse and we have 2, 3, or 4 wonderful children".

However, I have known of christians who claimed the same thing, and when they lost their whole entire family, they turned on God. I think your spouse and your children are your "Real Strength". That is your "God".

Plus, if Jesus is all we need, why get married? If people get married then apparently Jesus wasn't enough.

Dan Marvin Said: "I... had an experience... I can't prove it, I can't even explain it, but everything that I know as a human being, everything that I am tells me that it was real! I was given something wonderful, something that changed me forever... A vision of the universe, that tells us, undeniably, how tiny, and insignificant and how... rare, and precious we all are! A vision that tells us that we belong to something that is greater then ourselves, that we are *not*, that none of us are alone! I wish... I... could share that... I wish, that everybody, if only for one... moment, could feel... that awe, and humility, and hope. But... That continues to be my wish."

Yeah, I wish you could to in all honesty, and it's too bad that God didn't provide a better way for you to share your proof.

After all, we are not supposed to take man's word for it. Man is a wicked liar, and for all we know, you are lying to us, or you are lying to yourself about what happened.

It's possible Dan, that something did happen to you like you described, however it's also possible that this same thing that you claim that is from God is just your imagination running wild.

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:15:36 -0000

I agree payshun. God and his Kingdom should be our focus not hell. I actually think that there is alot of metaphor that we dont really pick up on, in Jesus' teachings. Metaphor can be a powerful way to make important spiritual truths come alive. To make it all literal totally misses the point and then you end up in bondage and fear based religion.>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:18:08 -0000

Adam, Interesting perspective about the Evangelical Lutheran Church, I think thats great that they focus on the gospels. Do they ever teach from Pauls letters or the Old Testament?>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:27:30 -0000

Yes!! Everytime I drive by the church parking lots sunday mornings and see hundred of expensive cars in the parking lots, I think what if these people all left that church and went into the community and started volunteering their time with the poor, beat down and broken hearted. What a force for good the church would be!!>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:29:10 -0000

Your part of the country is not alone, its the same in the many parts of California I have lived in, and Here in Idaho where I live now. American Christianity needs to simpify and get back to the main point!!! Jesus and his love.>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:46:16 -0000

You are right Kevin. Its a personal as to how we live simply in our circumstances. For example I drive a large Suv, people might look at my car and say its immoral to drive it, they may not realize that my car is totally paid off, and that fact allows me to be a stay at home mom and be home with my young kids. Plus, my car that seats 8 has allowed me to help many people in my community, like bring elderly friends of mine to church and helping a friend who is a single mom get her kids to school and back everyday. Freedom of Simplicity by Richard Foster is an excellent book, regarding living simply as an American Christian.

I guess im idealistic but it just seems that many churches are very inward focused, and forget that we have a huge task to do on this earth and I think more churches could to a better job of getting out in their communities. It seems to me liberal denominations are doing a better job in that respect, although its so encourging to see whats starting to happen through the emerging church movement. It saved my faith to be honest with you.>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:52:35 -0000

Kevin, what kind of church do you go to?>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:34:37 -0000

Thats right Deb, I think that is what Brian Mclaren is saying in this article. Lets stand with the hurting no matter who they are, and let them tell their stories, we might learn something if we would listen.>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:37:09 -0000

When we stop making generalizations about large groups of people and start seeing them as individuals, actually listening to and respecting different points of view, thats when Christs love can shine the most brightly. I believe Payshun has explained it correctly, many (not all) fundamentalists are more intrested in being right than in being loving, and yes, its sad for those who they could of touched with Gods love. God doesnt need us to micromanage for him, so we should learn the wisdom of listening.>

Re: Brian McLaren: Compassion and Hope in the Haggard Scandal

Mandy — Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:42:59 -0000

I am going to be with family, and have a lot of driving ahead of me for the next week. I just want to say that you are all great people, your passion for God is inspiring. Im sure I will be able to join you in other heated conversations in the future:) Have a wonderful Thanksgiving, we all have so much to be thankful for!>

Re: Becky Garrison: Bathroom Humor

Mandy — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:12:38 -0000

my "church" may not be the biggest, but it is pretty awesome. we have 4 people and we meet at least once a week for a few hours, usually more. one of used to work at the "big" church and the other 3 were hardcore volunteers. we all got frustrated with the commercialism, the fakeness and the lack of community. we hang out and eat, talk about life, all of it...good and bad. we keep each other accountable not only to the solid truths we grew up learning, but also to serving, treating others with respect, learning to live with less, respecting the enviornment, etc. and, we eat out...and tip very well. ;)

Re: Get FUNK’D! Say no to design contests.

Mandy — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:41:13 -0000

i don't really see the problem, i have free time between commissions and i spend it entering competitions etc., it helps to get my name out there and i actually enjoy it, i guess its not for everyone but we have all done stuff for free.

Re: Is the PNM the best political party?

Mandy — Mon, 28 May 2007 15:58:00 -0000

Indo, you have to understand that the UNC has to find out about the wrong doing of the rulling PNM, and tell the citizens of this country about them ministers corruption. Basdeo Pandey wants the public to understand that mannings administration is full of corruption.

Re: Intelligender?

Mandy — Wed, 06 May 2009 17:07:00 -0000

I am currently 12 weeks pregnant, and I plan on taking the Intelligender test.

I can tell you right now that people who are getting abortions do not go to the trouble of wasting $35 on a gender test...most people who get abortions do not want to know anything about the baby, that would make it harder for them to go through with it.

The test is really meant for fun, there is about a 7% chance the test will be wrong, so people still need to wait until their 20 week ultrasound to find out for sure. People want to take these tests not so they can abort their baby based on sex, but so they can start planning, painting rooms, and collecting things for their babies.

Re: Hanging with The Risinger’s

Mandy — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:30:00 -0000

just wandered over and i LOVE the pics.....

Re: I don’t look like that…

Mandy — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:18:00 -0000

I was scanning the photos in to make a layout with them, so I'll let you know when it's up on the Scrap Girls Blog. hahaha!

Re: Leopard is Here!

Mandy — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:18:00 -0000

Painless? Really? ;)

Re: Take a chance on honest correction

Mandy — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:04:00 -0000

I am SO glad you talked to him and so excited to start moving towards those dreams.

Re: Awesome Planning Notebook

Mandy — Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:00:00 -0000

It really is a pretty sweet notebook. I've seen it in person. :)

Re: How Old Do YOU Feel?

Mandy — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:47:00 -0000

russ hutto....
every time i've visited your blog, i thought - i KNOW that name sounds familiar!

:)

Re: My Better Half…

Mandy — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:44:00 -0000

great post russ! i loved it....
and your wife is beautiful. :)

blessings on your marriage!

Re: Top 5 Links for Thursday

Mandy — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:55:00 -0000

oh... i'm a top referrer! WHAT an honor.
i'll be writing my acceptance speech now.

:)

Re: Why Blog? Blogging As A Worship Leader

Mandy — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:26:00 -0000

timely post for me to read.... i'm getting "blendingworship" back on track these days... its good for me to remember why i started that little blog in the first place.

blessings!

Re: Nothing to Say

Mandy — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:19:00 -0000

i will use what others are saying... NOT as plagiarism, but i'll go to quotes and book excerpts.

BUT, one thing i do is write out brief sketches whenever i do have a spurt of creativity, then i've got lots on reserve when i need to pull something out.

:)

Re: Southern Speak: My Take

Mandy — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:19:00 -0000

"red neckin'" = is that what they call two rednecks neckin' at night?

Re: Hey! Miss Bad Media Karma Actually Made A Good Video!

Mandy — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:47:00 -0000

Better than Gimme More by far... but yeah, she still looks cheap and trashy... she needs to lose the fake fur and the aviator glasses... and she needs to get back in the dance studio for sure... she's gotten sooooooo lazy! I guess that would be the one word I would use to describe this video and her last: LAZY!

Re: The xx – XX, Album Review

Mandy — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:47:33 -0000

Respect the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but...if you're really a muso, how is it that you don't get The XX.

Re: Please don’t take our Chuck away

Mandy — Tue, 05 May 2009 15:07:06 -0000

I'm with you. We love CHUCK!!!

Re: Thursday Thirteen #7

Mandy — Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:10:00 -0000

What a lot of work, and some great things there! I'm heading off to check out your links :=)

Mandy

Re: Thankful Thursday….

Mandy — Thu, 08 Mar 2007 14:25:00 -0000

What a lovely list. Thank you for stopping by mine and your kind words.

Re: Phoenix Light Rail – Park and Ride info

Mandy — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:42:03 -0000

I am a flight attendant and would love to use the light rail when I go to work however the park and ride lots are not 4 hours. I am sure there are people that work graveyard shifts that are having the same problems. There is no reason they should not be 24 hour lots. There are also people that take it into Tempe and may drink too much and take a cab home only to have their car towed in the morning.

Re: 08451301542

Mandy — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 06:20:27 -0000

This company are disgusting. They phone me several times every day and I have asked them three times to take me off their list and not to phone me but they ignore my requests. If I try to phone them to discuss it they divert me to a fax machine.

Re: Orlando Bloom's New Home: 'As Green As I Can Make It'

Mandy — Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:42:21 -0000

Great. Definitely an elf. I would do the same. I love him.

Re: Discrimination, irrational fear, or ? - Letters to the Webmaster

Mandy — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:01:00 -0000

I really wish they would pass tougher laws in this country against that type of bigotry.

It also sickens me how so many christians whine and cry about how they are being persecuted in this nation. What a crock of BS. Brother Jeff and others who do not subscribe to their beliefs are the one's who are being persecuted. Christians have it made in this country. They have no right to complain about anything.

Jim Earl Wrote: "When I first dropped my belief system, my wife wanted to go get counseling together for the good of our marriage. I told her as long as we found one that was secular I would go."

I feel the same exact way. I use to see a christian counselor a few years back and I got nowhere with him. I didn't start seeing any of my problems being resolved until I finally started seeing a secular counselor.

Knitterman Said:
"what the dr. did borders on unethical, and you could probably make a case against here through AMA, ACLU, etc."

I agree with Knitterman. It might be worth investigating to see if you could get a case against them Jeff. They shouldn't be allowed to get away with that type of crap.

Non-believers need to stand up to these christian bullies and let them know that this country is for all people regardless of beliefs, lifestyle or race.

Re: I would love to debate you all - Letters to the Webmaster

Mandy — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 22:13:00 -0000

Anonymous Wrote: "If He's really all that powerful, then I see no point in trying to win over your heart at this point in your life. All I can do is be the best person I can be"

Ok fair enough.

I can't speak for everyone else, however I don't have a problem with what you just wrote even though I may not agree with everything you said in regards to christianity.

Best wishes to you also. :)

Re: What if everyone stopped believing in god? - Letters to the Webmaster

Mandy — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:28:00 -0000

"Christians, when pushing their dogma, always point to(the beauty in) nature as proof for a creator."

Maybe we should ask a butterfly or a flower. Maybe they can testify that proof.

Sounds stupid doesn't it?

What most christians claim sounds stupid also.

Re: You were never a Christian - Letters to the Webmaster

Mandy — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:19:00 -0000

Hey Mary, are the same Mary that was Jesus' mother? Could this be a sign perhaps?

Mary (had a little lamb)Said: How can people give up on God?

When he doesn't do his job that he promised to do. That's why.

Then of course, if you want to know how, you just do it. It's that simple.

Mary (had a little lamb) Said: The Lord says in His holy word that it is better for you to have never know me than to known me and to walk away or turn your bcak on Him.

Tell me Mary, what is a "Bcak"? I don't believe I have one of those. Is that some sort of "Universal" language that only God speaks? You must be speaking in "Heavenese" (Tounges).

It seems that most christians don't know how to spell.

Re: Abominations that are causing desolation - Letters to the Webmaster

Mandy — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:32:00 -0000

"babylonian lifestyle"???

It seems that a lot of christians who post on here live a "Bible-bullying" lifestyle.

Re: Abominations that are causing desolation - Letters to the Webmaster

Mandy — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:30:00 -0000

"I urge you to remember what caused you to decide to believe in the first place, to keep your open mind and heart open to hope."

Ok, I'm trying to remember.

Sorry, it's brining back too many bad memories of just how stupid I was and how I had lost the confidence and ability to think for myself, along with the need for a crutch.

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2008/05/whats-in-name.html

Mandy — Mon, 12 May 2008 09:39:00 -0000

I would just like to say, I always call you Sean, well when I am not calling you hottie! :)

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2008/04/in-memory-of-my-mother.html

Mandy — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:31:00 -0000

Sean, I hope that your day was ok. I just read your post. I know what you mean though, I see people with their dads, and it just sort of sucks. Granted, I only lost my dad almost 7 years ago, but still. You know, I look down the road and realize for my wedding, I have to figure out who will walk me down the aisle, my daughter never gets to know the man that I loved with all of my heart. So I am sorry that you lost your mom Sean but I think she would be proud of you, you are a pretty good guy! :)

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2008/02/do-you-know-definition.html

Mandy — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:55:00 -0000

Penetration????? hahahahhahaha. How did you find this word? I mean how did you come upon it? did you have great discernment in choosing the word you liked? yes another definition would be discernment. By the way, you're still hot! :) hahahahha

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2008/01/how-did-you-find-your-last-jobs.html

Mandy — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:56:00 -0000

I signed up to sell Tupperware. The lady I signed up with, is a paralegal. One night we were on our way to our meeting and she mentioned how her old job was looking for a secretary. I went home my mom suggested maybe she could send in my resume for me. So I contacted her, she did, they interviewed me. I was second choice, after a week, the first choice left, so they called me, offered me the job and I have been here for a little over a year now. It is true, it is all about who you know.

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2008/01/do-your-weekends-kick.html

Mandy — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:54:00 -0000

It actually did. The first weekend I had two free nights at the Embassy Suites. It was for a conference, but still was really nice. And then last weekend, went to Michigan to see family and watched the superbowl and had an extra day and a half off, so it completely kicked some ass!!!! :)

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2008/01/have-lawyer-behaving-unprofessionally.html

Mandy — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:08:00 -0000

Not in my office! All my lawyers are quite the professionals. But I can help you prepare a Complaint! :)

Re: 1 Unargueable Parking Rule

Mandy — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:18:00 -0000

I surely can! Why can I not? huh? If I saw it first! hahahahaha good point by the way.

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2008/01/coffee-ideagateway-espresso.html

Mandy — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:17:00 -0000

hmmmmmmmmm, maybe you should suggest that to like a coffee company..I don't know....like..............................Starbucks???? :)

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2008/01/2-best-auto-features-ever_16.html

Mandy — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:17:00 -0000

I would like to agree, but my clunker has neither! But they sound nice ):

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2008/01/are-you-addicted.html

Mandy — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:17:00 -0000

really? sometimes I wish I could be addicted to something, but alas, nothing as of yet in my life. Good luck

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/12/want-to-know-secret-of-santas-operation.html

Mandy — Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:23:00 -0000

I want to know, but you never explained

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/12/1-great-holiday-gift-idea.html

Mandy — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:49:00 -0000

That is an excellent idea! Is that what you got? Hope you had a wonderful Christmas

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/12/is-it-me.html

Mandy — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:13:00 -0000

I took that test and the one they gave me was so inaccurate!

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/11/i-love-beta-testing.html

Mandy — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:17:00 -0000

But you are a hot dork, so that makes it much better! :)

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/11/do-you-want-to-learn-japanese.html

Mandy — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:25:00 -0000

oooh, what kind of favor do I get? :)

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/11/put-your-blog-down-flip-it-and-reverse.html

Mandy — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:00:00 -0000

It trip me out a bit, I am used to seeing everything I want to see on the right hand side

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/11/do-you-know-411-on-your-neighborhood.html

Mandy — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:04:00 -0000

median income - $41,758; Same home 5+ years:58.6% ; 96.2% white; and 51.3% female where I live! hey hey hey.

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/10/have-you-seen-my-hero-meme.html

Mandy — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:58:00 -0000

You have been tagged back sir....
http://themusingsofm.blogspot.com/

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/10/have-you-seen-my-hero-meme.html

Mandy — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:05:00 -0000

oooh, and what was my hero name we came up with for my flickr site. can't go there from my work computer? Trying to do the same post since I got tagged! :)

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/10/have-you-seen-my-hero-meme.html

Mandy — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:58:00 -0000

Hey how do I tag the people?

Re: Top Five Readers States

Mandy — Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:31:00 -0000

That's right I am number 2! Obviously Washington would have to be number 1, so I am happy with my position. :) any other ones you want to suggest? :P

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/09/what-does-fall-remind-you-of.html

Mandy — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:09:00 -0000

Football, Football, oh and Football. Hot apple cider and pumpkin picking and carving. Ahh the simple things of life

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/09/sean-bounty-hunter.html

Mandy — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:48:00 -0000

Hmmm, come bounty hunt me!!!!! Ok, sorry, it has been on the tip of my tongue since I read it yesterday. :)

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/08/im-cleaning-house.html

Mandy — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:54:00 -0000

See I disagree with that actually. This to me is just a blogging site, not a community. I don't do what I do on myspace here. Plus my blogs here are way more honest as fewer people read this. I think it depends on the individual person though whose site it is. But I do enjoy your blogs on here and hope you don't stop.

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/08/would-you-like-to-know-what-my-favorite.html

Mandy — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:08:00 -0000

I'm still waiting for you to pick me up!!!! :) And you know what I mean.

Re: Five Things I Would Rather Be Doing Now

Mandy — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:55:00 -0000

I vote that you do the #1 option, and then send them to me!!! :)

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/08/i-am-displeased.html

Mandy — Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:30:00 -0000

Just so you know, I answered your post, but you are wrong. The only two who read it are the two who I wrote about. Trust me, I don't have men falling after me!

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/08/i-am-displeased.html

Mandy — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:57:00 -0000

Hey it is Thursday, do you have your wheels now? :) Hope so.

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/07/3-movies-i-shouldnt-like-but-do.html

Mandy — Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:11:00 -0000

You crack me up. I have never heard of Niagra Falls. Am I just a nerd? I do like the other two as well. They are not the common movie for one to like, but I have found in my movie viewing that B movies are sometimes far better. I know Chicago is not considered a B movie, but still!

Re: 5 Things I Love To Drink

Mandy — Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:09:00 -0000

Here here on 1, 4, and 5. I have never had the middle two. But I love starbucks. I must say, you have some pretty good taste.

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/07/insurance-math.html

Mandy — Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:08:00 -0000

Ahhh, your poor car! Yes it seems when we can't do something is when we want to actually do it more. hmmmmmmm.......

Glad you are ok.

Re: 5 Sites I Visit Daily

Mandy — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:07:00 -0000

I thought he had gotten off of the myspace wagon as well. Little did we know! :)

Re: 5 Sites I Visit Daily

Mandy — Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:30:00 -0000

Hmmm lets see...

Hitslink (my tracker)
Gmail
Hotmail
Blogger
... (Get Fuzzy)

How sad am I. Flickr huh? I need to update that, what do you think?

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/07/search-to-your-hearts-content.html

Mandy — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:28:00 -0000

I have to say that is almost a little creepy....Do you really want to let people know most every move? I guess it would allow someone to stalk you. I like mystery. And i love the bio part, "mostly an ass". Interesting though I must say. I don't think I know of anyone would care about the small things I do daily. You must have better friends than I! :)

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/07/multimedia-message.html

Mandy — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:55:00 -0000

no, but sometimes they are fun. Oh wait I mean, I think they shoulda stayed the same name. That is like the food mart on the east coast, the wawa food markets. No need to change the name! :)

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/07/yet-another-choice-haiku.html

Mandy — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:24:00 -0000

Swing amongst the trees
Breathing in life's small sweetness's
Exhaling its love.

So it is dorky, and this is why I have always hated haiku's, you can never really say what you want to, either not enough syllables or too many. Thanks for the chance to do them though, great fun while I should be working! :)

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/07/do-you-strive-to-be-impeccable.html

Mandy — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:43:00 -0000

Ahhh, does that mean no fun chatting with me? hahahahaha. Or are those things one does not regret? Good luck with your task, may you succeed. :)

Re: Choice Haiku

Mandy — Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:37:00 -0000

Well now, who's fault would that be? :)

Re: Choice Haiku

Mandy — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:56:00 -0000

I like to kiss men
Especially Alaskans
You know of any?

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/06/have-you-seen-this-before.html

Mandy — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:43:00 -0000

Hey, those are actually principles that I try to go by! So ok, ummm, sean, you should come out east for a trip. There, see communication of what I want! hahhahahahahahah. No, but I do like these, they are more accurate than most think. It is sort of like my latest myspace blog (you know the site you dumped!), I did one on misconceptions. Laters man.

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/06/youve-rubbed-off-on-me.html

Mandy — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:49:00 -0000

I like to be around positive people myself. And those that have a passion for life and for what they do. I am glad that you have found such great influential people to surround yourself with, only good things can come of it! :)

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/06/do-you-suffer-from-this-disease.html

Mandy — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:16:00 -0000

Ok that was funny! Seriously though, I agree with her. The best part is the former students of mine who send me invites to sites that are only for teenagers, ummm hello, almost 30! Wow, I am getting old aren't I! But guess who is still older!!! hahahahahhaa

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/05/electronic-village-you-know-youre-black.html

Mandy — Wed, 23 May 2007 14:05:00 -0000

Honestly, I don't know sean. Maybe I am naive, or maybe it is because I am not like that, but I just don't see that happening as much anymore. Maybe I am crazy. But I just don't think this is a color issue completely, women get it, people who are nerdy or very driven who have no personality, and I know me saying all of this will make many people annoyed and think other thoughts, but it is almost offensive, I can't explain it. Maybe that is because I don't treat people differenly based on their skin color but by who they are. Ok, I am off of my soapbox.

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/04/done-here.html

Mandy — Tue, 22 May 2007 10:51:00 -0000

Sean, what's up man? Is your gmail not working anymore? You disappeared off the chatting thing and when I went to reinvite you, it said that the email address was invalid......what the dealio? How is everything, and where are you done at? It has been forever, update me man!!!!

Re: http://notoriousseo.blogspot.com/2007/04/my-buddy-my-buddy-my-buddy-me.html

Mandy — Tue, 22 May 2007 10:54:00 -0000

Sometimes thinking is what gets into trouble. I say close your eyes and jump sometimes. You may be pleased at the outcome. We are all far too shallow I think when we keep our eyes open and our minds closed!

Re: Question of the day

Mandy — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:13:40 -0000

Other than speculation...what evidence does anyone have that Eisendrath has any personal wealth?

Re: Question of the day

Mandy — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:34:16 -0000

Who says Eisendrath has 2 million dollars of his own money? Where did he make this money, working for some local college?

Re: Question of the day

Mandy — Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:52:25 -0000

I read these comments from time to time and Senor Anon is the first one I've read in a while that's right on the mark. The only thing that he left out is that campaign staffers lose their energy and so does the entire campaign.

Re: Question of the day

Mandy — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:12:05 -0000

Unfortunately, the ad looks like it's for a small town mayor's race. At some point, EE needs to make us feel that he's the right guy to be Governor of a major state. He hasn't convinced voters of that and, I'm afraid, he never will.

Re: More disarray at EE campaign

Mandy — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:42:09 -0000

Why did he quit? Maybe he was the problem. This campaign seems like amateurs going up against professionals.

Re: New EE ads

Mandy — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:11:55 -0000

He should of run them in December or January. It seems like he never thought it through too well...

Re: New EE ads

Mandy — Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:28:25 -0000

Can we all agree on one thing. Almost no one in this state is voting for EE, they're either voting for or against Blago. We know nothing about EE. We don't know what happened at the CHA when he was there. We don't know what he stands for other than he's not the current Guv. Why can't we all just admit that and then get on with it.

Re: Question of the afternoon

Mandy — Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:12:02 -0000

I think a better question is, "What percentage would EE get if he didn't spend any money and simply had his name on the ballot next to Blago? 20%? 25%? 30%? Less? More?

Re: http://reinventingsdawheel.blogspot.com/2007/05/rap-session-greg-and-shasta-nelson.html

Mandy — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:19:00 -0000

In response to Andrea:

I have met the Nelsons and been in one of their workshops, and you don't even get any other feeling that they they work side by side. no one else is in charge. Many times people fall in love where one is in a more of a leadership position, it doesn't mean that they take advantage of someone. And the age difference, really is that even a point to bring up. In this day and age where 45 year old women are marrying 25 year old men and vice versa. When you watch them present the work they do, you not only see the love that they have for their work but also for each other.

The Bible says that we should judge not lest we be judged and it seems there are a lot of people out here judging them. Have any of you walked in their shoes? Has anyone seen what they have seen, felt what the have felt, and loved their Christ like they have loved? No. No one has the same experience, so who are we to say they are any worse than our little lies, or our anger, or any other sin which is no more greater or lesser.

Re: http://reinventingsdawheel.blogspot.com/2007/05/rap-session-greg-and-shasta-nelson.html

Mandy — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:01:00 -0000

IMA Cowgirl,

I agree there was action and consequence. But at the same time, they are a bit of a victim. How long do you punish someone for a mistake that they did? And the affect they have on others, they have been there, they have walked away from their mistake, so they can actually counsel people more than I can, who has never had that to deal with. Some of our greatest leaders come from a shady background. Our church has a tendency to scarlet letter people once they make a mistake, even if they have learned from it and moved on. They feel that if their mistake is public they should not be leaders, while there are others who are doing far worse, but hiding it and lying about it. I would rather have people who have made a mistake and admit it be a leader than those who pretend to do nothing wrong but are black on the inside. When someone has a passion for God and to do His work, who are we to stand in the way? Just a question, have you ever heard either of them speak? Anyway, been nice chatting. The greatest things about these sites is that we are entitled to our own opinion and I like that. So even if I don't necessarily agree with you on all points, I still respect that it is your own personal opinion. Have a great day.

Maranda

Re: I honestly believed in the Christian god. No longer; no more. - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:29:00 -0000

Matt Wrote: "Jesus doesn't say, "oh I'll protect you." Instead he says, I've prayed that your faith will not fail."

Why would Jesus (Who is supposed to be God himself) need to pray? Why would God need to pray for himself when he can simply make it happen? Unless there is a greater power than God that he did not tell us about.

Just remember Matt, God already knows the outcome, so why the need to pray? Sounds like a contradiction if you ask me. Explain that one also Matt.

Re: I honestly believed in the Christian god. No longer; no more. - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:30:00 -0000

Well at least thanks for your honesty Matt.

Take care.

Mandy :)

Re: Has Satan been feeding my daughter lies? - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:19:00 -0000

DK's mother Wrote: "We are fervently praying the Lord will open her eyes."

It really is sad to see so many christians waste so much of their life and time chasing after the ghost of an invisible man who has been long gone from this world for many years. They can pray all they want however most christians are too ignorant to see that closing one's eyes and talking to their imaginary friend will not solve anything period.

DK's Mother Wrote:
"She doesn’t know her heart is deceitful and desperately wicked."

No, the real problem is that too many christians are too ignorant to see past their own superstition, and narrow minded ignorance to see that christianity and other religions are nothing more than man made scare tactics based on fear and manipulation. Your mother is a victim of christian mind rape, which has done nothing but robbed her of her true individuality.

Unfortunately at your mother's age, she will more than likely never change her mind about what she believes based on the time period that she comes from. My mom and dad are also around your mother's age, and I understand the time period that they come from. Your mother and my parents will more than likely never change their mind about what they believe no matter what we tell them or no matter what kind of evidence that we present to them. They'll always say that Satan is deceiving us, because it is their way of dealing with the fact that their beliefs in Jesus are faulty, and they are too scared to face the real truth that what they believe is false.

As I had stated in another previous post of mine, I really do believe it would kill someone like my father at his age who has clinged to such a belief all of those years if he ever really truly found out that the christian belief was false.

DK's Mother Wrote: "Also Satan is the father of lies and he has been feeding her lies and she has been believing them. We pray she will believe Jesus, who is the way, the truth and the life."

I would ask your mother how come Jesus is allowing Satan to feed your daughter lies, and why doesn't Jesus care enough about your daughter to intervene and stop Satan from feeding her these lies. I would also ask your mother why is it that Satan seems to be able to make things more believable than what Jesus does?

Once again another christian is giving more power and credit to Satan than they are giving to their very own God. Christians give more glory and credit to Satan than they ever give to Jesus. It seems Satan is kicking Jesus' ass really good these days, and it also seems that Satan is more of an effective communicator than what Jesus is.

Based on Jesus' actions here lately it also seems that Jesus doesn't care enough about the people of this world to communicate with them effectively and make himself known to mankind.

Most christians who seek after God for guidance can't ever seem to agree with each other when it comes to the correct interpretation of scripture, and they seem to get a mixed message from God. Just look at the different denominations of churches that are out there. Why has God allowed his own church to become divided? You should ask your mother about that also. Christians are the most divided people around. I have found more unity among atheists than I have ever found among christians.

Christians are enslaved to their God, and they can't stand it anytime someone leaves their cult, and finds true freedom. It is the christian who lives in bondage. Christians are unable to think for themselves and they feel the need to seek God's approval for everything instead of learning how to use their own intellect (brain) to make decisions in life. Most christians I have ever met or have been around are some of the most miserable people.

It's really sad to see your mother live in bondage to a myth like that. Her beliefs in God are the real lie. She is enslaved to her fear of God, and she is making those statements about your daughter based on her own personal fear of God. Most christians IMO, do not truly serve and live for God out of love. They only serve God and live for him out of the fear of hell. I'd say most christians deep down inside resent and hate their God. They are just too afraid to admit it.

I would've told your mother that if Jesus wants me to believe him that he needs to show up and prove his own existence without making threats of hell fire and damnation. Most of the content in his Holy book is out of date and has expired. The bible is nothing more than a insult to modern day education and intelligence.

If Jesus is real, and if he wants people to believe in him, then he needs to show up in person and prove it to the people who live in the year 2008 without casting people into a lake of fire called hell.

Any all knowing God who supposedly knows what is best for the people of Earth would realize that it is best that he reveals himself in a loving way so that none of us would have any doubts about his existence.

In a nutshell, it's time that Jesus gives the people of this planet an update, and let people know that he is still around and he is real, and that he does love us. However since he chooses not to do so, that reinforces my beliefs that he may never have existed period, or he just simply lied to the people of Earth many years ago.

Telling someone to have faith in something that happened 2,000 years ago, and just telling us to accept that it happened and believe it, is like playing mind games with people. Trying to seek God and find his will is like playing "Hide and go seek". Christianity is all about mind games, and there is no personal God period.

Reading some ancient text book called the bible and being told to simply have child like faith and believe is not acceptable in the modern day world.

On a more positive note, congratulations to your daughter. It is the younger generation who will one day make a difference in this world.

Hopefully the younger generations will be the one's who are able to help people once and for all escape the superstition and bondage that religions (which also includes christianity) that oppress and enslave people.

It is christianity and other religions that cause division and discrimination against others.

True love is accepting people for who they are. Not what they choose to believe.

Re: Has Satan been feeding my daughter lies? - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Fri, 18 Jan 2008 21:16:00 -0000

Hi Dk,

Thank you very much for your kind words. I am truly honored that you feel my words have meant so much to you. I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

I just find it sad to see people who end up wasting so much of their life placing hope in a spiritual being who is supposed to be so personal and real to us like a living and breathing human being when he is no more personal and real than "Puff The Magic Dragon" is.

Another thing that is so sad about it, is that christians talk so much about the love and acceptance of Christ, yet they are also taught not to accept others who do not subscribe to their belief system, which causes pain and rejection for others who choose to believe something different. There is no unity when it comes to christianity.

There were many times in my own personal christian walk when I was at my lowest point, and I kept on praying, fasting, reading my bible, and trusting God to pull me out of my pit of depression, only to be let down again. In reality there was no great comforter, and all I ever heard from Jesus was dead silence and no answers which resulted in me being very sick with depression for many years.

I am still not fully recovered from the damage that christianity caused in my life, however I am making progress, and I am starting to believe in my own abilities again. I am finding that once you believe in yourself that is when you start seeing true happiness, and progress in your life again.

I didn't spend as much time in christianity as you did DK, however I did grow up around it, and I am still around it quiet a bit due to the fact that I am from a christian family.

I wish you and your daughter well DK. Just tell your daugther to keep being herself, and if nobody else likes it then that is their problem not hers.

Christians are some of the most "Co-dependent" people on the face of this planet. I think the real problem with a lot of christians is that anytime they see someone who has walked away from the faith having a successful and productive life, it threatens their belief system and it scares them, because they have been taught that it is not possible to be truly happy outside of Jesus which is nothing more than a lie, and another scare tactic that christians like to use.

The fact is that anytime a christian sees a Non-Christian who is truly happy and living a productive life outside of Christ it causes many christians to have doubts about what they really believe. That is when christians start questioning in their own mind, "Is it really true that it is not possible to be happy outside of Christ?" That's when they start questioning the validity of that statement.

A happy Non-believer is a christian's worst nightmare. I personally know christians who would rather see a Non-Christian who has walked away from the faith lose everything and fall into complete misery just to bring that same person back into the cult, because it would reassure those same christians of their faulty faith and belief system, and it would reinforce their false beliefs. I've even known christians who have prayed and asked God to bring hardship and brokenness into someone's life just to bring them back to the faith. I have no respect for anyone who would pray such a prayer. It is a very mean and cruel prayer to pray, and I find much ignorance in anyone who would pray a prayer of brokenness and hardship into anyone's life.

Another problem is that a lot of christians who pray such a prayer do not stop and think that hardship and brokenness might be what caused that same person to turn away from Christ in the first place. They don't seem to realize that more hardship and brokenness in that person's life will only cause them to resent and hate God even more.

Back when I was a christian I remember seeing atheists who were more happy than I was. These same people were living productive lives, and having great successes without the fear and worry of some God, while I wasting time chasing after God and trying to find his perfect will for my life, which never happened. These same atheists were moving on with their lives, and I was too busy worrying about pleasing God. Christianity nearly destroyed my life. I wasted many precious years chasing after the mythical holy spirit and trying to please God. I was truly a slave to Christ, and had lost all ability to think for myself and make decisions.

Being able to be true to oneself along with personal success and achievement such as having a good career that you enjoy, hobbies, a loving family, and good friends is what brings true happiness.

Mandy :)

Re: Has Satan been feeding my daughter lies? - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:07:00 -0000

It is obvious that Passerby is the one who has the problem. Not us.

Poor little Passerby is a prime example of someone who has suffered typical Christian Mind Rape, and brainwashing. His so called opinions about the reality of his God is nothing more than pure typical christian arrogance.

People like Passerby are dangerous in a way. People like him along with his beliefs are a threat to true freedom in this country. Christianity is a form of terrorism. If it were up to people like Passerby we would be under a christian dictatorship, which would rob us all of certain freedoms. That's why I will continue to support organizations such as the ACLU to make sure that people like Passerby will never be able to take away certain civil rights from people who choose to live their lives the way they see fit.

I am really convinced that Christianity is a another form of Mental Illness. It is no different than schizophrenia, and it appears that Passerby is suffering from a really serious case of this mental illness.

Passerby also apparently has nothing going for him in life, and out of his own misery he feels the need to come onto this site, because his belief system is being threatened by happy Non-believers who are proving that it is in fact possible to be happy outside of Christ.

You can tell that Passerby is scared to death by the content that he posts on this site. What this is really about is the fact that Jesus has not shown back up, and Christians are starting to lose the war against Secularism, so people like Passerby are starting to panic. So therefore all christians like him know how to do is quote content from an old out of date ancient text known as the bible. Out of desperation they hope that somehow those words in the bible will magically come to life and convince all of us that we are wrong. It's never going to happen.

Sorry to burst your bubble Passerby, but most of us are more happy without your Jesus. It is reality face it. There is nothing you can do about it sweetie. Yes, it is possible to be happy outside of Jesus and we are all proof of that, and that scares you to death doesn't it?

You will lead nobody back to Christ on this site Passerby. Your threats that you make on this site are exactly why I see christians like you as terrorists. You may not go around blowing up buildings, however you still use the threats of hell and damnation from your God as a scare tactic which is the same thing that a terrorist does.

Your beliefs and approach are not that much different than a Muslim Passerby. It's either submit to your christian God, or be casted into hell. It's all about trying to get someone to subscribe to your beliefs by trying to get people to live in fear. That's the same thing a Muslim terrorist does.

However, in reality you are nothing more than an annoying miserable little man. You really need some professional help Passerby, and I'm not being sarcastic either. You have lost the ability to reason and think logically Passerby. It is so sad to see someone like you who lives in christian bondage. You remind me of people like David Koresh who led that cult down in Waco back in the early 90s.

I hope one day you will be able to escape christianity like I did Passerby. I will never return to it, and your posts just remind me why I am so glad to be free of christianity and people like yourself. I can tell that you are a very unhappy and miserable person. Your posts speak for themselves.

I hope that one day you will find true happiness Passerby. I really am saddened to see someone like you who is so trapped in christianity. I know how it felt. It robbed me of so many of my precious years along with my dreams. Like you, I also use to preach sermons and quote scripture to atheists and other non-believers. However, in reality they were living a more happy and productive life than I was as a christian. You are doing the same exact thing that I did. I recognize your tactics. Plus I'm sure you are also trying to score brownie points with your God. Thanks for helping me to realize that leaving the christian faith was a good move, although I'm sure that is not your intention. You intend to preach the gospel on this site and win souls for Christ, but in reality you are just reminding all of us why we left the christian faith. It seems your intentions on this site are back firing on you Passerby. You are shooting yourself in the foot and you are defeating your own purpose.

You will never know true freedom as long as you are enslaved to your false christian God Passerby. It's so sad that you have allowed yourself to get caught up in the teachings of ancient superstition.

Have a good day. :)

Mandy

Re: Has Satan been feeding my daughter lies? - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:21:00 -0000

Hi Rob,

Thanks for your kind words. To be honest with you as much as I respect a lot of Atheists who post on this site, I do not consider myself to be one. I consider myself to be Agnostic. I still do believe there is some type of higher form of intelligence out there. I just don't know what it is, however I am convinced it is not the Christian God. Then again unlike christians I am willing to admit that I may be wrong, and that there might not be a God period. I have actually wondered at times if human life may have been created by another race of intelligent beings who were highly advanced as funny as that may sound to others.

I believe that the bible along with other ancient religious books are nothing more than man's failed attempts to explain the unknown. I do not believe the christians nor the Muslims have this higher power who they call "God" figured out. I do not believe that this higher power (God) is all that accessible, and I do not believe he is involved in all personal areas of our lives.

You simply cannot have a relationship with a man who is dead or who is unseen. Having a personal relationship with Jesus is just as unrealistic as having a relationship with George Washington or Abraham Lincoln. In a nutshell a spiritual relationship is no more different than having a relationship with an imaginary friend. It's called living in a fantasy world.

Having Faith is not acceptable for someone like me. When you tell someone to have faith in God to provide a certain thing or to do a certain thing, you are basically leaving things up to chance. I tried that many times back during my christian walk, and was always let down. Taking charge of my own life is what started producing the results that I wanted to see.

As for christians who post on this site such as Passerby, as much as I get annoyed at people like him, I do not wish him any harm in all honesty.

I just get annoyed at christians like Passerby mainly because they do not listen, and they do not acknowledge anything that we tell them. They have no consideration for what any of have to say or how we feel. It reminds me of just how delusional I was at one time. It's like christians can't come up with anything new to back up their faulty claim besides the same old recycled biblical propaganda, manipulation, and scare tactics. It's like watching reruns of a Television program that got cancelled many years ago, and you're tired of watching the same old episodes over and over again.

Christians have nothing new to offer that presents any valid evidence of their claims for Christ. My own personal experiences in dealing with christianity outweighs what the bible has to say on the matter of a personal God.

I find it quiet insulting anytime a christian who knows nothing about me or any of our lives claims that it is me, and everyone else who is the problem, not christianity. That is what I consider to be typical "christian know it all arrogance."

The fact is my personal dealings with christianity not working for me are valid, because they actually happened, and I can testify along with many other ex-christians who post on this site that christianity did not work for us. I know exactly where a lot of ex-christians are coming from who leave their testimonies on this site.

However, I do understand why Passerby is so consistent with his constant bible rambling. I do understand what motivates him. The reason why Passerby and other christians do not listen to us is because they are too scared of their God to listen to us. They are afraid that God will punish or discipline them for doing so.

They believe that Satan has deceived us, so therefore they have been taught not to listen to anything we have to say. That is part of christian brainwashing. As a christian, you are simply not allowed to think for yourself and you are taught that any thought or feeling that comes from within your heart is wicked. Unfortunately some christians have been sucked so far into this faulty belief that some will never be able to escape the bondage of christianity. Some christians are worse than others, and some have been brainwashed to a certain degree. Not all christians have been brainwashed equally.

Christians are all victims of superstition and mind rape. Like I mentioned in my above statement, some are worse cases than others. They are afraid to even acknowledge that they might be wrong, because if they were to do so, they would be admitting that they doubt their God which is considered a sin. Christians such as Passerby operate out of the fear of hell. That is what motivates christians like Passerby to keep on preaching and harassing others on this site.

I realize that christianity and hell are absurd to us non-believers, however to christians like Passerby that fear and belief is real to them, and they do take it seriously. Even though I no longer subscribe to the christian belief, I do understand exactly where Passerby is coming from because I at one time thought exactly like he does.

At one time that same fear of leaving and forsaking the christian God along with the fear of hell held me captive, and paralyzed me. Christianity may be a mythical lie, however it is a very powerful mythical lie. It can enslave one's mind, and make you become very delusional. It can make you down right crazy.

Passerby may claim that he loves Jesus, however his motive for preaching on this site is mostly out of the fear of his God, not love. He's afraid that his spiritual daddy will give him a beating if he does not do what he tells him to do. Like many other christians who post on this site, he feels the need to obey his God who commanded him to go out and preach the gospel. That is why christians like Passerby continue to harass others on this site.

I'm sure he also believes that when we talk down to him that he is being persecuted, so therefore God will reward him for his persecution according to (Matthew 5:10-12). I do believe that is Passerby's main motive for why he posts Christian Spam on this site.

So here are the 3 likely main reasons why Passerby chooses to harass others with his constant bible rambling on this site:

1) Jesus commands christians to spread the gospel. (Although most of us who are ex-c's have already heard the gospel message and are very familiar with it).

2) He believes that God will reward him for being persecuted by non-believers. He believes that God will hold him in a high regard.

3) He preaches out of the fear of hell, and is scared to death of his God's wrath according to (Matthew 10:32-33).

Those are 3 of the main reasons why I believe Passerby chooses to stay here and ramble on with his constant christian rambling.

Re: Has Satan been feeding my daughter lies? - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:22:00 -0000

ATF Wrote: "I think this questioning of authority started during the 60's (yes I'm that old), and when the internet came along with all it's available knowledge, it became far easier for most folks to question anything, without having to do so face to face"

Hi ATF,

Yes, I agree with you. I know this one elderly christian lady who absolutely hates computers. Especially the internet. She claims that it is a tool of the devil, and the internet will one day lead to the end of the world.

Have you ever noticed that it seems like that anytime we start presenting our claims to why christianity is a faulty belief system that after awhile christians start getting angry and all they know how to do is start quoting bible scripture one verse after the other out of anger. It's like they are trying to intimidate us by doing so. However, I am no longer phased by such foolishness.

When christians such as Passerby and Dan Marvin start quoting scripture and using the threats of hell, I now see them as a angry little barking chiauas whose bark is worse than their bite....lol!

ATF Wrote: "I know that for myself, after hearing some new promise-date of his return being met with lame excuses, time and time again, one starts to realize it's all BS"

Well in all honesty even back when I was a christian I never took those predictions serious anytime they claimed they had a date for the return of Christ because it does say in the bible that no man will know that time when he does return, however I agree that they have been saying for the past 2,000 years that Jesus would be back soon, and that all of the signs were evident.

I was told that even back during World War II that many people thought Jesus was coming back really soon. It didn't happen of course.

ATF Wrote: "I think Marc does what he does for one of two reasons".

Funny you would list reasons for why Passerby does what he does. I had just listed 3 reasons in my last post for why he does what he does right before I saw your post on here. Seems great minds think alike eh?....lol!

However, as I prepare to hit the publish button that other post that I left has not appeared yet as it is waiting on approval from WM.

ATF Wrote: "Marc will never seek mental help, as his delusion is so real to him that he'll never see beyond it. Even if he gets glimpses of reality from time to time (from us), his great fear of hell and the wrath of his god upon him, makes it impossible for him to move outside his secure feeling bubble."

You may be right ATF. Although it doesn't require mental help to leave christianity, I do believe some christians have been sucked so far into the christian cult that they do become mental basket cases.

ATF Wrote: "Someone recently said that xtians may even hate their god, but that fear of god's wrath is so strong that they don't dare ignore the xtian god. For them, it feels far safer to just conform to god's rules and hold out hope that heaven awaits them (even if it's only a long shot), than to remove all chances and have to face their lives, and then their own death, totally alone."

That may have been me who made that comment. Yes, you are exactly right ATF. It also goes with what I was saying about how some christians have been sucked into the christian cult further than what others have. I have seen different levels of christian brainwashing.

Some are worse than others. For example you have what is considered to be "Carnal Christians". They are christians who believe in the basic gospel message, however they live more of a worldly life and they don't spend a whole lot of time seeking after God and praying. They just live life, and they don't worry all that much about the way other people live their lives. They are kind of liberal I guess you could say.

Some of the more conservative hardcore christians such as Passerby and Dan Marvin would probably say that the "Carnal Christian" is not a true christian.

Then you have some christians who are just flat out fanatics who go around preaching and trying to force others to conform to their faith. They are often referred to as "Holy Rollers" and "Fanatics".

Some of those same types of "Holy Roller" christians are so delusional that their thinking can be very dangerous and destructive to not only other people, but also to themselves. Most christians like that are usually more charismatic and are associated with denominations such as the Church of God or the Apostolic Church. Some Baptists have been known to be like that, however most baptists are more judgmental and prejudice than anything else.

ATF Wrote: "It's only those who are close to being 'on the fence', where I think we have a chance of reaching them with reason and logic."

I think we might have had one of those come through here the other night as a matter as fact. He presented his reasons for why he believes in the christian message, however he was really quick to back down from others who challenged his beliefs. He claimed he was facing some trials in his life right now, and he didn't talk or act like your typical die hard christian fanatic.

This other christian poster basically said that he was going through some trials in his life right now, and he kind of sounded like he might be kind of pissed off at God, and he might be kind of questioning him about some things, however in the end he still said that he chooses to believe in the christian message, and then he left quietly and did not come back.

I still wonder if he might have been having some doubts about his faith.

Re: How do you escape a cult when it is all around you? - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:26:00 -0000

I'm actually starting to feel sorry for Passerby WM.

He can't come up with any new evidence to support this case for Christ, and you can tell that he is absolutely falling apart.

Too bad Jesus won't lend him a helping hand.

I really wish he would seek out some professional help for his mental illness.

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Mandy — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:22:00 -0000

Layla Wrote: "Maybe I never had any faith to begin with. I now know no religion, but I can't help feeling like the connections I made in this life are tied to something, something greater I don't know about, could never hope to know about. Then again, maybe that is a way of making myself feel important, feel good about death. I do not know, and I will never know, and I'm okay with that now"

Hi Layla,

I can relate to your story in many ways. I am also surrounded by my christian family.

Being agnostic I still feel there is a greater purpose or higher power connected to us. However at the same time after my own personal dealings with christianity, and seeing that is does not work for most people, I finally decided that I could no longer subscribe to the christian beliefs any longer.

There were things that just did not add up about the christian belief system, and anytime I tried to apply scripture to my own personal life I found out really quick that in reality certain things that scripture teaches does not work in the real world. It basically came down to "Reality VS The Bible". Reality won every single time of course.

Anytime I questioned the christian belief, I got ridiculed by other christians who would tell me that I didn't have enough faith. Plus they would also come up with some lousy excuse for why God didn't do this or why he didn't do that. Christians are very good at giving cover stories, however they usually are not very convincing cover stories.

Congratulations on not having the fear to explore your doubts. I'm also happy to hear that your little girl has a mother who is a free thinker. I believe that will be one of the things that will make a lot of difference in the long run, and it will also teach children to learn how to accept others regardless of spiritual beliefs. You set the example and she will follow.

Unlike the popular "Doomsday Christian Message", I choose to remain optimistic, and believe that the day will come when people will one day wake up and realize that we have the power within ourselves to change and make the right choices, and that we don't need some God to do that for us.

I also choose to remain optimistic that the day will come when all people will be accepted regardless of beliefs, lifestyle, and color.

Re: Then it happened -- the hell-fire sermon - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:36:00 -0000

Anonymous Wrote: "My Dearest Heather. You can never understand the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ with your mind. It is spiritual."

Nobody can understand the gospel of "YOUR" lord Jesus Christ because he refuses to reveal himself to anyone in a personal way period.

Instead of revealing himself or communicating in an easy and practical way that humans can understand, your Jesus/God expects people to be naive and stupid enough to believe in his faulty gospel by being told to just simply have faith.

As far as the gospel of Jesus Christ being impossible to understand with your mind and it being spiritual. That is nothing more than another typical excuse that christians like to use anytime they cannot back up their claim when it comes to proving the case for Christ. It's nothing more than a lame excuse.

For those christians who claim they have experienced God or encountered him in a personal way, the only thing you have more than likely experienced is a very overly active imagination with no proof to back up your claim that you have actually had an encounter with God.

Think about this next statement:

If God wanted to use a christian's so called encounter that they supposedly had with him as a testimony to back up his existence, he would provide some type of evidence that would bring validity to such a claim instead of expecting others to "Take your word for it".

Sorry to tell you this dearest christian anonymous. You and a lot of other christians like yourself have a lot to learn about how life in the real world works.

Until you get rid of your own personal superstition such as the fear of hell you will continue to live in denial and you will continue to stumble around in the ancient darkness and oppression of an ancient spiritual belief that continues to enslave your mind dear Anonymous.

However I have good news for you Anonymous. You can be like Heather and the rest of us who have figured out how to live victorious lives outside of Jesus. Just accept reality and the way life really works. Learn to tell the difference between superstition and reality.

In some cases where Severe Christian Brainwashing has occurred you may have to seek out the help of a secular counselor/therapist in order to teach you how to cope with life in the real world.

Come on over and join prosperous living, and stop living in fear of hell and damnation. Stop letting christian oppression enslave your mind.

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Mandy — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:22:00 -0000

John Wrote:
"I must say Jesus is the primary reason for my continued survival."

"Jesus however gave me that meaning that I needed to live."

"I ask you people who read this not judge me and say that I am a weak person for believing this lie because I have had a dificult life, I was diagnosed with cancer when I was 14 and even before that i had little to no friends so highschool was difficult for me."

John,

I am sorry that you have had a rough time in dealing with life. It does seem that some people have a harder time dealing with life than others, so I understand and I do relate. You also don't have to worry about me judging you.

My next statement may seem harsh, and if it does, it is not my intentions to hurt you in any way. This is "Me" being honest with you about how I feel towards what you claimed about "Jesus being your primary source of survival, and Jesus giving you a certain meaning in life"

For me personally, Jesus did not give me any meaning period. Instead the belief about Jesus only gave me false hopes which led to one disappointment after another. The things that do give me meaning in life are family, friends, my hobbies, achieving dreams, and success.

Being told "Jesus is all that matters" and "Jesus is all you need" never made me feel any better, and it only caused me to sink further into depression, because I never experienced any personal comfort from Jesus period. Instead I ended up in more misery anytime I trusted in Jesus, because I gave up my free will only to be met with defeat every single time I tried to place my trust and faith in God. I found out in my own personal dealings with christianity that there is "NO" personal God who guides and directs our paths.

I have also found in my own personal experience that anytime I trust in a spiritual being to provide any type of meaning in life, I am always let down in the end. Christianity never provided the answers or meaning in life that I was looking for. It only led me further into depression. Christianity does not provide any type of comfort or satisfaction for me period. It gives me no meaning. I am not motivated or driven by invisible spiritual forces.

I can truly say that when I became a christian, I stared seeing less victories in my own personal life, and it was after I became a christian that I had to start taking Anti-depressants. As a christian I lost everything that had any meaning to me, and I found no comfort whatsoever in Jesus. All I ever found was dead silence.

Before I became a christian, I was pretty much living out my own dream and was pretty content with life. Things weren't perfect then either, however I can truly say that my life before Christianity was a lot better than what it was after I became a christian.

Now that I have left the christian faith behind, I now recognize that all of my happiness and success came from within myself. Not Jesus.

Jesus provided absolutely no answers for me period. The answers were always within myself, and I am having to learn to once again believe in myself, and I am having to learn to once again be true to myself.

Re: I once was a born-again Christian… - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Mandy — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 06:14:00 -0000

Jamie Wrote:
"Seems like Atheism has a long way to go to equal the "abundant life Jesus gives".

Jamie,

I happen to be agnostic, however I can't say that I have ever found an abundant life when it comes to Jesus. All I have ever found is rejection due to the fact that I am a "Transsexual Lesbian" which is something that would make most christians skin crawl.

I will tell you in all honesty Jamie, and I don't expect you to understand this, however I can truly say that ever since I opened up my mind and left Conservative Christianity, like Advocate was saying, I have learned not to judge others just because they don't subscribe to a certain belief.

Since leaving christianity, I have also learned to love others unconditionally, and I have learned to see certain beauties in people that I was not able to see as a christian.

Plus as a christian, I was miserable. I was afraid to become my true self which is "Mandy" due to the fact that most chrisitians would look down on a "Transsexual Lesbian", so I lived in bondage scared to death to be my true self, and I got no where in life.

Now I no longer live in the fear of being tossed into hell, and I am more happy, more outgoing, and more loving than I ever was as a christian male. That is the honest truth.

Jamie Wrote:
"My faith is stronger than ever and I hope someday you guys can experience this as well."

Well if it works for you then that's great, however it didn't work for me, and it doesn't work for some people.

I mean you no harm Jamie, even though you may think that someone like me is detestable, however I hope the day comes when people can learn to love and accept my kind.

I am a very loving person, and I hate nobody, and that includes christians. I have no regrets for being my true self, and I am more happy than I have ever been in my whole entire life.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

Have a good day. :)

Re: God, Lies and Faith - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:52:00 -0000

Lance said: Check out 2 Thes 2:10,12.
"... They perish because they refused to believe the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness."

Before some right winged fanatical whacko like Dan shows up I'll say this.

This is what a christian would claim based on that verse:

"That only happens when people reject the truth about Jesus. God doesn't send the delusion unless they reject Christ".

No, I don't believe half of the crap in the bible either. I just wanted you to be prepared in case some whacko extremist shows up on here to debate what you said.

I know how christians operate, and how they think.

Re: God, Lies and Faith - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:27:00 -0000

Lance,

I understand and agree with what you said. Just wanted to prepare you for a debate from some idiot like Dan.

There are christians who I have talked to in the past who believe in, "Predestination". Here is an example.

From ATF: Yet two verses later, God said, "I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials" (10:1). From that point on, the Bible says that God hardened Pharaoh's heart (10:20, 27; 11:10; 14:4).

It's like a Catch 22. No matter how hard some people seek God and they try to be truly saved, it is believed that some people will never be saved, due to the fact that God has sent some people a powerful delusion, and these same people will choose to harden their hearts.

It's like God has created some people for the purpose of destruction.

Let's go all the way back to Genesis in the Garden of Eden. An all knowing God who knows already what choices we are going to make plants the tree of life, and places Satan in the garden of Eden. He has already put a temptation right in front of Adam and Eve. He knows that Adam and Eve are going to screw everything up ahead of time, so he sets both of them up for the fall on purpose. It seems that God never intended for man to have a perfect paradise.

It seems that God has his own favorites. I know some christian will come on here and say that God is no respecter of persons, however that is total Bullshit. Just look around and you will see 2 different types of people.

Example:

Person #1: This person is Mr. or Mrs. Success. Everything that they touch turns to gold it seems. They seem to succeed in everything that they do.

Person #2: This person works hard, and they are honest, but for some reason they continue to struggle through life. It seems that God does not bless them the way they deserve to be blessed and he does not honor anything that they do. They just don't seem to have luck (God) on their side it would seem.
This same person never amounts to anything, and God never does anything to empower their lives to do great things.

I get so sick and tired of hearing these little "Goody Two Shoes" who get up in front of their church and brag about everything God has done or supposedly had given them, and how they give him all the glory.

I would like to ask the same hypocrites that like to brag about what all God has done in their lives, why is it that God chooses to bless them, but doesn't seem to be interested in blessing person #2. After all God says that he is no respecter of persons. Right?

It just seems that God is out to use people for his own "Self Centered" Agenda. We are all like a bunch of rats running around in his lab called, "Earth". Seems God is bored and has nothing else better to do than create humans and torture them by playing mind games with them, and brining blood shed, and pain into the world.

This excuse "God gave us free will" which is the same excuse that christians like to use about why there is so much evil in the world is pure bullshit. I get so sick and tired of the way these right winged fanatics continue to defend their God for his wrong doings. It is sickening to me.

However, it appears that "Christian God" is a myth, and I guess we should be blaming the authors of the bible and other christians for all of these biblical lies, since they are the one's who continue to spread them.

Re: God, Lies and Faith - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:15:00 -0000

Lance said: "It is either that, or that god is nothing more than a kid with an ant farm."

That's exactly what I think too. Either God is imaginary or he is just bored too death.

I guess creating stars and galaxies does get old after awhile.

So God decides to find something new to do. Create a living being, lie to them, and tell what a loving God that I am, and make them naive enough to believe his lies.

Then again, no such being (God) probably does not exist in the first place. At least "Bible God" doesn't.

Bible God is nothing more than man's imagination IMO.

Re: Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 06:58:00 -0000

Thanks WM. Hopefully this nut has been banned.

Also thanks to Dan for reminding several of us of why people like you have driven people like me away from your faith. Your bible quoting has reminded me how much I hate your faith. It's people like me who have been hurt by people like you. Your God did nothing to prevent it either. He is responsible for allowing people like you to even exist.

Dan reminds me of the same people who beat me over the head with their bible on a constant basis. I have grown to hate people like Dan.

Dan accomplishes nothing by his constant bible beating. People like Dan are very dangerous, and I look forward to the day where people like him will no longer be allowed to harass others who are brave enough to walk away from the christian faith, and those who are not afraid to take a stand against people like Dan who do nothing but hurt others with their cult and it's ancient beliefs.

Thanks once again to Dan for reminding me and several others on here why we no longer want anything to do with christianity.

Your attempts to win us back have failed Dan.

Now go pray (Talk to yourself) to your god about how you failed and how you failed to win others back to christ.

You are not a fisher of men Dan. You repel them instead. You are a disgusting little cockroach who hides behind his computer from others.

If Dan is still reading this, he is a jerk, and I plan to be a very strong advocate against the christian faith eventually.

Dan has only started a war with people like myself, and I promise you that the days of christians harassing others in this country is going to end.

God is dead, get over it, and find something else to do with your life besides sitting on your sorry pathetic butt harassing others 24/7 on the internet. Get a job Dan.

Re: Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 07:15:00 -0000

I have now realized that the reason why people like Dan continue to quote biblical scripture is because they don't know what else to do. He doesn't have a mind of his own, and he is like a brain dead zombie who has lost the ability to reason with others.

Dan knows he can't win, and he knows that he has lost the debate, so when a typical bible beater like Dan realizes that, he quotes scripture out of frustration, because nobody will listen to him.

So when the christian realizes he can't get anyone to listen to him, he starts quoting scripture only to irritate others.

Therefore he takes away all credibility from his testimony, and his witness by doing so. He has accomplished nothing.

The only thing he has done is piss others off. I myself am not a christian, however I know for a fact that there are other christians who would not agree with Dan's approach. I know christians who would probably give Dan a very hard and stern rebuke for his own ignorance.

Once again Dan, get a job.

Re: Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:39:00 -0000

I believe Dan also goes by the name, "Computer".

It would make sense that he would use the name, "Computer" since he seems to have nothing else better to do with his time than to set around quoting scripture on his computer, and irritating others.

I would bet Dan has never kissed a girl before. He probably still lives with his mom, and when he's not preaching his good news about christ, he spends the rest of his time surfing the net viewing pornography.

Re: Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:11:00 -0000

Dan shot himself in the foot and he doesn't seem to realize it.

People like Dan who feel the need to go around quoting scripture and disrespecting other people's beliefs because they do not line up with his beliefs do it mainly because they are miserable with their own lives. Dan apparently doesn't have anything better to do with his time then sit on the internet judging others and cramming scripture down their throats. The man apparently has no productive life at all.

Dan is someone who uses his christian beliefs as a way to belittle others so he will feel more superior about himself.

He is nothing more than a little cockroach that contributes nothing to society. He is one who lives in the dark ages of the past. People like Dan are a threat to progress, and the acceptance of others who choose to be different outside of his narrow minded thinking.

I detest people like Dan, and want nothing to do with them. Reading anything he has to say makes me want to literally vomit. He sickens me.

May this country one day become truly equal for all people from different walks of life. America is for all people, not just for the christians only.

Re: What's with all the Whining about Truth? - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:08:00 -0000

Dear Goprairie,

What you said in your first post is exactly how the bible was written.

These same people who came up with the words that later on became the book known as "The Bible" are the same ones who claim that they were inspired by God, and that God talks to them, when it is their own subconcious thinking about who and what God is supposed to be.

It's sad that there are still people who are alive today that are stupid enough to believe crap like that.

Christians are probably the most naive people who ever lived.

Re: Let's be positive about religion - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:34:00 -0000

I've had a change of heart, so I am going to be positive about religion.

From this day forward I am positive that I will never return to it.

Re: Two Liars for Jesus and an Aging Philosopher? - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:45:00 -0000

Anonymous said...
"Ha Ha. Hurl your impotent rage against God and us. Go Ahead freaks. Make our day"

I already did make your day.

I got away from nuts like you.

Thanks for displaying your immature, "Juvenile" behavior on this site.

How old are you btw? Seven?

Re: You need a Holy Ghost Enema! - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:35:00 -0000

Much like her Husband, Benny Hinn's wife is a nutcase.

I use to hear that same old juiced up hype all the time back when I was going to church about how god was on the move and was getting ready to do some big things, and how some of us needed a "Double Dose of The Holy Ghost". They always come up with these little sayings. I guess they want us to believe that is was a magical word from their Christian God.

I also remember not long after I stopped going to church someone told me that I needed to get back in church that I was missing out on some big things that god was doing.

I kept on asking myself, "What are these so called big things that are happening at church these days"?

Which consists of the following:

1) Same old boring Sunday School Class (Clique).

2) The same old hyped up songs and hymns right before the preaching with the stupid video screen.

3) The Same old Boring Preaching Sermon which is filled with the same old worn out gospel message from the same old worn out overrated and over used book called the "Holey Babble".

4) People coming forward towards the end of the service to seek a spiritual crutch named "Jesus".

5) People running off to eat after Church Service.

And they claim that "God is doing big things in the church these days"? I even heard some nuts claim that people were growing new arms and legs in other countries after losing those same arms and legs due to an accident or an amputation. Boy talking about how naive some christians are.

The way these christians tell it, you would think that the "Red Sea" or a burning bush had been talking to them at church.

It sure doesn't take much to get christians excited.

Some preachers would make great salesmen.

Re: Be Thankful to Allah علامات محبة الله ل - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:28:00 -0000

Webmaster Wrote: "Because it sounds exactly like a Charismatic praise and worship song, that's why. It brings out (in me) the same emotional feelings of wanting to raise my arms in the air as when I was a mind-numbed Christian."

OMG!!!! That is so funny. I was sitting here thinking the same thing. I was picturing the big screen like they have in some of these churches with the words coming across it and people raising their hands in the air.

Webmaster Wrote: "When I hear some Christian music I still feel urge to raise my arms, yet I don't believe in any gods!"

Now watch some christian nut come on here and suggest that you still have the Holy Spook inside of you giving you the urge to do that. LOL!

Re: Be Thankful to Allah علامات محبة الله ل - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 22:29:00 -0000

Brother Jeff Wrote: "Once slaved, always slaved! He does still have the Spook of Kryasst who is also somehow magically Him magically inhabiting his inner spook. Praze the Lard! Glory!"

LMAO!!!!

You are just too funny Jeff. :)

I'm sure if that Islamic song was playing in some Islam Praise service they would be raising their AK47s and M16s in the air instead of their hands.

Re: God loves dirty woman - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:47:00 -0000

I wonder how many christians are aware of the passage that was mentioned in the video. I would say that 90 percent are not aware of it.

I tried to get my dad, who is a die hard christian to watch this video, however he refused to do so like I knew he would.

He says he doesn't want anything to do with anything that perverts the word of God, nor does he have any interest in what an "Atheist" has to say on the matter. He also reminded me about how the devil has taken away my ability to understand scripture correctly, and how my separation from Jesus has allowed the devil to cloud my judgment and understanding of the bible.

Like many christians, my dad does not want to come outside of his little "Christian Bubble" and learn about the real truth. It just proves how scared that my dad is along with other christians that they are afraid of finding out that their belief system about "Jesus" is false.

I'm sure the very thought of finding out that their beliefs in a personal Jesus being false scares the living hell out of all christians.

Re: God loves dirty woman - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:16:00 -0000

To JT Free As A Bee,

I understand what you mean about Jack Van Impe. I have a friend who is a christian and he watches that shyster all of the time. The bad thing is he is schizophrenic, and watching Jack Van Impe is not one of the best things for someone to watch who has schizophrenia.

I've heard his doomsday messages before, and according to him, we are all doomed.

Re: God loves dirty woman - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:26:00 -0000

ATF Wrote: "For the reasons I stated here, you have about a zero chance of changing your Dad's mind, nor will he ever see you as anything but a lost-soul."

Hi ATF,

I would say that is a safe bet. Also considering that my dad is 79 years old, and from the time period that he comes from, I'm sure that you are right.

I know where you are coming from about not being able to convince most christians of the truth. You can tell them the sky is blue and point out the evidence to them, and they will still say that it is green according to faith.

This one person who I use to go to church with tried to get me back into the fold this past Summer. He tried sharing Bible Scripture with me, and I became really bored with him.

He then told me that my decision to leave the faith would only lead to eventual destruction, and I was now in bondage, even though I am finding more freedom and peace outside of Christ.

He told me that my success did not matter, and I was like WHAT????

That just kills me how christians would rather be enslaved and miserable because of some belief and the fear of going to hell. They would rather sacrifice success in order to please their mythical god.

For the record, it was christianity that robbed me of my hopes and dreams for many years until I got fed up with it and left it behind.

Re: Which century are we in? - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:52:00 -0000

Anonymous Wrote: "Personally I hope Fred Thompson wins because this country needs the type of values that are held dear in the south..."

You sound like a typical redneck biggot.

I was told recently that Dr. James Dobson with Focus On The Family said that he will not vote for Fred Thompson, and he is telling christians not to vote for him either, because Fred Thompson has said that he supports gay marriage.

If that's true, then I am sorry to burst your "Arrogant Self-Righteous Holier Than Thou Bubble" Anonymous.

Then again, No, I am sorry to burst your bubble.

The days of Conservative Christians being in power are numbered.

Re: Which century are we in? - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:54:00 -0000

Billybee Wrote: "Uh.....you gotta name? If not, I'm thinking "Bubbu" is probably gonna stick."

I have one better. We'll call him "Jethro Bodine".

Re: Which century are we in? - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:07:00 -0000

Billybee Wrote: "I was commenting on "GodTube" and all of my comments were deleted. I did not say anything mean or even critical. All I did was speak from the atheist perspective. Is that a no no....?"

Hi Billybee,

I am not surprised that your comments were deleted. Christians do not believe in being "Open Minded" so therefore they don't want people to know the real truth, so that is why they delete comments that go against the faulty christian belief system. They also believe in censorship of course.

Christians don't want the truth to be known about their cult. So that is why they delete comments that go against their belief system.

No matter how nice you were, it will not matter to them, because your comments might just get some of their cult members to open their mind and start thinking objectively.

Remember, according to the christian faith (Cult) it is wrong to think for oneself. Everyone is supposed to have the mind of Christ. Having intellectual thinking is of the devil according to the "Jesus Freaks".

Re: Replacing the rituals - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:40:00 -0000

I too had thought about going to a UU Church, however I feel the same way that "Rickyusvi" feels also.

My situation is similar to his in regards of not having a social network of friends ever since leaving the christian faith.

It would be nice to have some more open minded friends in my own personal life. Don't know for sure what I will do yet.

Re: You got to walk while you can walk! - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:34:00 -0000

I always thought that was ridiculous about "Vanity" being a sin. Anything that improves your life is pretty much a sin according to the christian belief.

Plus some of these christian sects don't believe that women should wear makeup at all, and that it is sin. How retarded.

I've always believed in the statement: "If you look good, you feel good".

Re: There is no one way to God - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:25:00 -0000

Lorena Wrote: "And you say you meant Jesus. Well, why bother with Jesus? There are mountains of contemporary books out there that can help a person overcome problems and find solutions to just about any issue.
And those solutions are better than those of Jesus because (a) the books contain wisdom accumulated by the human race through the ages, and (b) many make use of science and the findings are, therefore verifiable."

I fully agree with Lorena. Like I mentioned in one of my previous posts, I have been able to find a lot more helpful resources outside of the bible that has helped me to overcome my bad situations in life.

I find it sad and quiet disturbing to see people who are afraid to step outside the boundaries of christianity to find help that produces results.

It seems that people who refuse to do so are the one's who are truly living in bondage.

It was suggested one time that I should get rid of my secular therapist and start seeing my christian therapist again, because this same person did not approve of my therapist's methods or beliefs.

The same person told me that it did not matter that I was now achieving success again. He told me that I needed to go back to seeing my christian therapist again, who was unsuccessful in helping me overcome my problems.

That's how delusional a lot of christians are. Instead of moving forward and making progress, some of them would rather go backwards and sabotage their progress. That type of thinking just proves how destructive and damaging all forms of religion can be.

Re: Happy Xmas - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:00:00 -0000

Thank you Dave for posting the videos. The song "Imagine" by John Lennon has a very special meaning for me personally.

Thank you also for taking the time to reply to my emails. :)

Ever since I left the Christian Faith, a few years back, I have been learning how to accept others and respect different beliefs without passing judgment like I did back when I was a christian.

I come from a highly conservative christian family background where "Bigotry" is also very common among many members of my family unfortunately. As much persecution and alienation that I have dealt with from some of my family along with other long time christian friends, I can at least say that it just feels good knowing that I have decided to break that trend in my family along with other former christian associates, and step outside of the christian box.

Thank you very much Dave, for being a guide for us who have chosen to leave christianity.

Much love,
Mandy

Re: Happy Xmas - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:47:00 -0000

Whateverlolawants Wrote: "When I was a young teenager, I loved "Imagine", but I was uncomfortable about the "no religion too" line. Now I can fully embrace the song, in total agreement with all of the lyrics!"

I can so relate to your above statement. You took the words right out of my mouth. :)

Re: The tall tale of Noah's ark - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Mandy — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:08:00 -0000

Anonymous said...

"look this atheists

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEXGKzH0F9c
...> God bless you."

Dear Anonymous,

Just watched the video.

I am one of the Agnostics that Boomslang mentioned.

Now prove to me that "Your Way" is the right and only way, and prove that God is the christian God.

Let's see them prove that.

Re: http://reinventingsdawheel.blogspot.com/2007/05/rap-session-greg-and-shasta-nelson.html

Mandy — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:06:00 -0000

I just came across this page when I was trying to figure out how old Greg was!!! Anywho. I was blessed to be in church when Greg was the Pastor at Union. and he was truly a blessing. His love for the Lord showed through in everything he did. Then a couple of weeks ago, Greg and Shasta came to Ohio for a weekend seminar, and it was fabulous.

To the people who said those in support of them are those that have issues with the Adventist Church. I don't see it as that. I see it as we are people who have issues with conditional forgiveness. You are forgiven completely only if we don't think it is so bad. God said no sin is worse than another. So why do we take it upon ourselves to choose which ones are? Is it ok for a Pastor to secretly covet another's wife as long as he doesn't tell, and he can keep his job, while another makes the mistake and gets into a relationship with someone else and he comes clean and so he is kicked to the curb?
Frank stated that how it will affect the young minds to see that they made a mistake and then got away with it. No it shows those young people that if they make mistakes they don't need to hide, but can come clean and they will still be loved. And once they come clean and ask forgiveness, it will be as if it never happened. The person who said it can be forgiven but not forgotten...seriously, did Greg and Shasta do anything to you personally that you should be holding this grudge. They have asked God, their former spouses and the members of the church for forgiveness. God said that is all we have to do is ask for forgiveness and it shall be given. What more do you need them to do?

How long should they not be able to preach? The honest truth? The Adventist Church unless by a miracle of God, will never re-employ them. And it isn't because the church members will feel uncomfortable, it is because they are, it may reflect upon them. Because a church has a voice in the hire, and if they meet Greg and Shasta and know their story and are comfortable having them as leaders, then they should be able to. If God covers our sin white as snow, why must we feel like we need to keep shoveling that snow so it keeps showing? I would rather have a pastor who has screwed up, admitted, spent time with God working on the closeness they have with Him, but who has a fire for God and a passion like no other, than a pastor who does it because he thinks he was called, but you can tell there is no zest, no pure love of what he is doing. If they will hire a pastor who before he became adventist did the same things, how is it any different, just because he was already Adventist?

And to the cowgirl whatever person. It is true if you as a nurse did something to hurt or possibly end a life of someone you may never work as a nurse again. But isn't that a little different here? That is an extreme example. Or Marion Jones, she took drugs to push her further ahead, how does the Nelson's situation have anything to do with that? They made a mistake, they lost their job, does that mean they should forever lose their job? If you are a manager of a store and get fired, does that mean you should never be able to be a manager at another store? People learn from their mistakes.

And to those who are angry that they got married.....seriously? You would rather have had this happen and two marriages end, for nothing? They went back to their marriages, and they didn't work, they didn't see each other for two years, and yet they are married. Maybe that means, that it isn't such a horrible thing. If you are actually ever around them in person, and not just reading about them, you can see the love that they have for each other. You can see the love that they have for God. We need to quit condemning those who make a mistake and love them instead. you want to keep young people in the church, show them we love them even with their mistakes, show them that one bad step doesn't cause them to be shunned.

And just for the record, I don't know Greg and Shasta personally, so this isn't like a friend sticking up for them. I am just tired of all of this judgmental crap. Until you are in their shoes, in their situation, quit judging them and just love them instead, like Christ does with all of us.

Maranda W.

Re: Question of the day

Mandy — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:23:01 -0000

Come on people get with it! Ron Huberman is CTA President. Not only is he an intelligent and articulate person, but he is also a enthusiastic and dedicated public servant. I suggest giving him a closer look.

Re: http://airyanzi.blogspot.com/2009/04/blog-post_26.html

Mandy — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 02:06:00 -0000

太可愛了...
宅娃娃在睡覺不知道自己沒穿褲子沒關係啦！~~呵呵

Re: http://airyanzi.blogspot.com/2009/04/blog-post_24.html

Mandy — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:23:00 -0000

說得太好了....mandy用力幫你鼓掌！
軌道真的有幫助我認識更多的好朋友...包括小笠^^
但還真的是需要靠自己去經營才最重要

Re: http://www.weekinrewind.com/2009/08/giveaway-judy-garland-show-vol-2.html

Mandy — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:59:41 -0000

Tweeted:

http://twitter.com/alittledizzy/status/4477099119

Re: http://www.weekinrewind.com/2009/08/giveaway-judy-garland-show-vol-2.html

Mandy — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:10:23 -0000

Tweeted!

http://twitter.com/alittledizzy/status/4375670343

Re: http://www.weekinrewind.com/2009/08/giveaway-judy-garland-show-vol-2.html

Mandy — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:35:15 -0000

Tweeted!

http://twitter.com/alittledizzy/statuses/4349599143

Re: http://www.weekinrewind.com/2009/08/giveaway-judy-garland-show-vol-2.html

Mandy — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:41:35 -0000

Tweeted!

http://twitter.com/alittledizzy/statuses/4157503323

Re: http://www.weekinrewind.com/2009/08/giveaway-judy-garland-show-vol-2.html

Mandy — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:40:49 -0000

Entered and tweeted!

http://twitter.com/alittledizzy/status/4105274014

Re: GIVEAWAY: Apple's Brand New iPhone 3GS!

Mandy — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:17:05 -0000

In it to win it!

http://twitter.com/mandaleebee

Re: http://www.weekinrewind.com/2008/12/no-more-teases-major-giveaway.html

Mandy — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:19:00 -0000

Thank you!!!

Re: http://www.weekinrewind.com/2008/10/giveaway-ipod-touch.html

Mandy — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:57:00 -0000

This would be a great replacement for the one that was stolen out of my truck!!!

Re: http://4littlemen.blogspot.com/2009/04/lets-talk-about-homeschooling.html

Mandy — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:37:00 -0000

I am not a homeschooling parent yet my twins are only 4 but I was home schooled myself. We used Calvert, then ICS as a teenager. I would wake up, eat and then do my school work till lunch. By then I was finished for the day. My parents had me in a homeschooling group and we went on field trips at least once a month not to mention going over to each others homes everyday. I don't know how happy I would have been without this group. They provided the social atmosphere I needed and missed from public school. I also took piano and voice lessons on the side, and worked with habitat for humanity on the weekends. I also needed a math tutor, because I am just not good at math =) I graduated high school at the age of 16 and it gave me the chance to travel to Europe and start college early, and work. I want to home school my children as well, I just do not know if i have the patience needed.

Re: http://4littlemen.blogspot.com/2008/08/and-then-there-were-six.html

Mandy — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:30:00 -0000

Congrats!!!! Your daughters are absolutely beaufiful. So happy that everything worked out in the end. Can't wait to hear more updates....once you are recovered and settled at home.
Mandy from Canada

Re: http://4littlemen.blogspot.com/2008/03/ozzie-and-his-mini-mohawk.html

Mandy — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:55:00 -0000

oh so cute!!!!

Re: http://4littlemen.blogspot.com/2008/02/what-do-you-drink-out-of.html

Mandy — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:36:00 -0000

dang

Re: http://4littlemen.blogspot.com/2008/02/i-had-to-take-picture-to-prove-i.html

Mandy — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:53:00 -0000

HOTT!!!!

Re: http://4littlemen.blogspot.com/2008/02/its-been-while.html

Mandy — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:43:00 -0000

glad you're back!

Re: http://4littlemen.blogspot.com/2008/02/only-proof-i-have.html

Mandy — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:09:00 -0000

KILLER toes!

Re: http://4littlemen.blogspot.com/2008/01/whats-probability-your-supermarket.html

Mandy — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:19:00 -0000

oh no way. wow.....

gonna check that stuff now!

Re: http://4littlemen.blogspot.com/2008/01/new-poll.html

Mandy — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:38:00 -0000

found your blog a few weeks ago.

i come back for the pics & tunes.

:)

Re: http://4littlemen.blogspot.com/2008/01/its-going-wild.html

Mandy — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:17:00 -0000

:)

lookin' forward to whatever you end up with!

Re: http://4littlemen.blogspot.com/2008/01/happy-birthday-to-my-best-friend.html

Mandy — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:23:00 -0000

SO CUTE!!!

Re: http://4littlemen.blogspot.com/2008/01/baby-its-cold-outside.html

Mandy — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:31:00 -0000

love the shot... again and again. you take great pics!

Re: http://4littlemen.blogspot.com/2008/01/my-desktop.html

Mandy — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:56:00 -0000

iLike

Re: http://4littlemen.blogspot.com/2008/01/just-little-fun.html

Mandy — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:49:00 -0000

GREAT hair.

great pics.

glad i checked in today!

Re: http://4littlemen.blogspot.com/2008/01/big-pharma-laugh.html

Mandy — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:17:00 -0000

so cute..... just found your blog. might be the coolest mommyblog i've come across so far.

i'll hafta come back!
blessings

Re: http://married2military.blogspot.com/2009/06/brothers-at-war.html

Mandy — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:12:45 -0000

My older sister actually went to the NY premier of this movie and said it is AMAZING. She said it is one of the most accurate portrayals of what is really going on over there. Gary Siniese was one of the producers. I don't know when it's coming out on DVD but let me know if you find out!

Re: http://married2military.blogspot.com/2009/05/bad-mother.html

Mandy — Fri, 01 May 2009 09:13:00 -0000

Great post!!!!! This is definitely something people need to think about more!

Re: http://married2military.blogspot.com/2008/07/momentous-occasion.html

Mandy — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:18:00 -0000

Wow. All I can say is THANK YOU for what you've done for my family to live in a free country. I know I'm a complete stranger to you...but HUGS for you and your family. Thank you!

Re: http://married2military.blogspot.com/2009/06/brothers-at-war.html

Mandy — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:12:45 -0000

Re: http://married2military.blogspot.com/2009/05/bad-mother.html

Mandy — Fri, 01 May 2009 09:13:00 -0000

Great post!!!!! This is definitely something people need to think about more!

Re: http://married2military.blogspot.com/2008/07/momentous-occasion.html

Mandy — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:18:00 -0000

Wow. All I can say is THANK YOU for what you've done for my family to live in a free country. I know I'm a complete stranger to you...but HUGS for you and your family. Thank you!

Re: http://supahmommy.blogspot.com/2009/08/what-gives.html

Mandy — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:16:20 -0000

huh???

:)

Re: http://www.lifedownourlane.com/2008/06/time-greatest-gift.html

Mandy — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:18:00 -0000

I enjoyed reading all those wonderful things you wrote about grandma, and to see her pictures made the tears stream down my face. I loved reading all those memories and thinking back about all the wonderful times we had together. I smiled when you mentioned her perfume. I will always love that smell. My heart aches everyday because I miss her much. My heart smiles though when I think about how happy and healthy she is now. I look forward to being with her again someday. Love you.

Re: Nicklas Hocker - God (egenlåt)

Mandy — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:06:29 -0000

Vilken jävla röst. Jag kollar inte på idol, men såg en repris nu och... ja, ring mig! :*

Mandy,
http://scars.se/