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9 months ago
in Todd Bentley : GodTV : Rory and Wendy Alec : Response : Revival on PRAY|THE|REVOLUTION
John:
Perhaps you would be willing to discuss this and more over the phone. If so, send me a phone number and a good time for you to talk to my e-mail address, and I will call to save you the cost.
And, bring your Bible.
Love in Christ,
Bud Press
Perhaps you would be willing to discuss this and more over the phone. If so, send me a phone number and a good time for you to talk to my e-mail address, and I will call to save you the cost.
And, bring your Bible.
Love in Christ,
Bud Press
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9 months ago
in Todd Bentley : GodTV : Rory and Wendy Alec : Response : Revival on PRAY|THE|REVOLUTION
John:
Three questions:
1. Where in God's written word does He condone "poor prophecy"?
2. What does "in person" and "sets foot upon the stage in divine, personal, one-to-one visitation" mean to you?
3. At Jesus' second coming, will He return spiritually or physically?
Love in Christ,
Bud Press
Three questions:
1. Where in God's written word does He condone "poor prophecy"?
2. What does "in person" and "sets foot upon the stage in divine, personal, one-to-one visitation" mean to you?
3. At Jesus' second coming, will He return spiritually or physically?
Love in Christ,
Bud Press
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John Burton
#1- I already shared this with you (Get the book my friend!!)
#2- That's very subjective. I wouldn't think it meant in a way the eye could see, but then again, there is room for it to happen.
#3- Physically
#2- That's very subjective. I wouldn't think it meant in a way the eye could see, but then again, there is room for it to happen.
#3- Physically
9 months ago
in Todd Bentley : GodTV : Rory and Wendy Alec : Response : Revival on PRAY|THE|REVOLUTION
John, the article I linked to contained the following "prophetic word" from Wendy Alec, which was read by Todd Bentley during the revival:
"The Lord just spoke to me and said, 'This is what will happen tomorrow night. The King and the King's anointing falls tomorrow night. The eighth of June, the anointing of the King of glory falls.'
"Jesus said, 'I am coming in person. The King is coming in person.' I sense so strongly there will be a personal, divine visitation of the Lamb of God--the Lord Jesus Christ to the revival tomorrow night.
"He will come in the clouds in His chariot, surrounded by a great angelic host, because the great honoring of the Lamb of God. The King of glory is coming to visit Lakeland; to visit the revival; to visit the outpouring. The devil trembles with that knowledge.
"For tomorrow, the King of glory sets foot upon the stage in divine, personal, one-to-one visitation."
Wendy Alec's "prophetic word" did not say that Jesus would visit the revival in spirit, but said twice that Jesus would visit "in person" and that "Jesus" would set His "foot upon the stage in divine, personal, one-to-one visitation."
When friends or family visit your house do they visit in spirit or "in person"?
Now, do you still maintain you have not "seen any false prophecy"?
In Christian love,
Bud Press
"The Lord just spoke to me and said, 'This is what will happen tomorrow night. The King and the King's anointing falls tomorrow night. The eighth of June, the anointing of the King of glory falls.'
"Jesus said, 'I am coming in person. The King is coming in person.' I sense so strongly there will be a personal, divine visitation of the Lamb of God--the Lord Jesus Christ to the revival tomorrow night.
"He will come in the clouds in His chariot, surrounded by a great angelic host, because the great honoring of the Lamb of God. The King of glory is coming to visit Lakeland; to visit the revival; to visit the outpouring. The devil trembles with that knowledge.
"For tomorrow, the King of glory sets foot upon the stage in divine, personal, one-to-one visitation."
Wendy Alec's "prophetic word" did not say that Jesus would visit the revival in spirit, but said twice that Jesus would visit "in person" and that "Jesus" would set His "foot upon the stage in divine, personal, one-to-one visitation."
When friends or family visit your house do they visit in spirit or "in person"?
Now, do you still maintain you have not "seen any false prophecy"?
In Christian love,
Bud Press
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John Burton
At worst it's 'poor prophecy'... but, I doubt that's even the case. Given Wendy's zealous love for Jesus, there is no evidence of hatred of God or opposition to God... quite the opposite. She loves God so much.
I doubt seriously the prophecy meant that Jesus would show up bodily. I didn't see that.
Man, friend, this issue reveals that you are so quick to find fault. It's like you have a microscope and if there is any hint of something amiss (based on your own potentially flawed doctrinal interpretation) in someone's theology, you immediately renounce them as haters of God, false prophets, etc. Why would you do this?
There is no way you can conclude what you have based on the prophecy Wendy gave. That's irresponsible. Terribly so. You have to give Wendy opportunity to explain herself to you personally if you insist on renouncing her. If you can't get an audience (which, you actually shouldn't since you aren't one of the players in the drama), then just leave it alone.
I doubt seriously the prophecy meant that Jesus would show up bodily. I didn't see that.
Man, friend, this issue reveals that you are so quick to find fault. It's like you have a microscope and if there is any hint of something amiss (based on your own potentially flawed doctrinal interpretation) in someone's theology, you immediately renounce them as haters of God, false prophets, etc. Why would you do this?
There is no way you can conclude what you have based on the prophecy Wendy gave. That's irresponsible. Terribly so. You have to give Wendy opportunity to explain herself to you personally if you insist on renouncing her. If you can't get an audience (which, you actually shouldn't since you aren't one of the players in the drama), then just leave it alone.
9 months ago
in Todd Bentley : GodTV : Rory and Wendy Alec : Response : Revival on PRAY|THE|REVOLUTION
But where is Wendy Alec's repentance over her false prophecy Todd Bentley read during the Florida Outpouring? Refer to the following article for additional details:
http://www.christianresearchservice.com/WendyAl...
http://www.christianresearchservice.com/WendyAl...
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John Burton
I haven't seen any false prophecy... The article you attached didn't reveal anything at all. I've been at Lakeland... and I can tell you for sure- Jesus was there! He did arrive. Bud, we've talked about this before. Have you read the book I recommended regarding prophecy?
It's so important that we are very, very careful regarding the act of accusation. Man, it's a serious, serious thing. Unnecessary, in fact, in regard to Todd. I doubt God needs those who aren't in relationship with Todd to sound an alarm. That's best done by those close to him. We saw it handled very well with Jimmy Swaggart, Ted Haggard, etc. Those they were accountable to handled the situation. Others who were discussing their situations with others were most probably stepping into the realm of gossip.
It's so important that we are very, very careful regarding the act of accusation. Man, it's a serious, serious thing. Unnecessary, in fact, in regard to Todd. I doubt God needs those who aren't in relationship with Todd to sound an alarm. That's best done by those close to him. We saw it handled very well with Jimmy Swaggart, Ted Haggard, etc. Those they were accountable to handled the situation. Others who were discussing their situations with others were most probably stepping into the realm of gossip.
10 months ago
in Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word on PRAY|THE|REVOLUTION
Hi Teresa:
I have some comments and questions for you.
You wrote: "I have also been taught that we never have enogh information to make a acurate judgement, I guess that is why God said not to:)"
First, where in the Bible does God command the believer NOT to judge prophecies and teachings? And if the prophecies and teachings are false, what does God command the believer to do?
Second, if a man claims to be a prophet of God, and he delivers a prophecy in the name of God, but the prophecy fails, how much more information is needed to pronounce the man a false prophet? God has already shown believers' how to spot a false prophet (Deuteronomy 18:21-22; 2 Peter 2:1-3; 2 John 1:9-10).
Third, if a man or woman claims to be a Christian, but denies the Trinity or the deity of Jesus Christ, what does God command the Christian to do?
You wrote: "If Stacey did make a mistake or not it is up to Holy Spirit to lead her to repentence and that is between her God. We as Christians have the responsiblity to love one another and pray for one another. God bless you and Ms. Campbell."
Teresa, in her "Public Statement Regarding Prophecy To Todd Bentley," Stacey Campbell stated that,
"I gave Todd Bentley a public prophetic word, which was broadcast around the world through GodTV" and that "I prophesied publicly on GodTV that Todd Bentley would be a 'first fruits' of a generation that would walk both in the anointing and the glory of God."
However, during Todd Bentley's "Commissioning," Stacey Campbell prophesied in part that:
"Todd, I have chosen you because of your background; because of your background; because of your background, to release My nature when you release My gifts; to become a living epistle like the Word that became flesh, and people saw the glory of God.
"And I will use you to father a movement that operates in such revival power, but it is coming out of the very nature and heart of God. And you will teach people how to behold God until they are transformed from glory to glory; from compassion to mercy, to lovingkindness to truth, to justice, to forgiveness. And a whole generation will move in such signs and wonders and power, but everyone will give glory to God."
Stacey Campbell's prophecy was not a mere mistake, it was a false prophecy. Furthermore, it attempted to elevate Todd Bentley to the same level as Jesus Christ.
Please remember that according to the Bible, it only takes one false prophecy to be a false prophet (Deuteronomy 18:21-22).
And while only God can open her eyes and ears to the truth and repentance, in the meantime, God commands Christians to guard and protect the body of Christ by exposing false prophets and false teachers (Matthew 7:15; Matthew chapter 24; Romans 16:17-18; Acts 20:27-31; 1 Timothy 6:3-5; Colossians 2:8; Titus 1:9; Ephesians 5:11; Jude 3).
In Christian love,
Bud
I have some comments and questions for you.
You wrote: "I have also been taught that we never have enogh information to make a acurate judgement, I guess that is why God said not to:)"
First, where in the Bible does God command the believer NOT to judge prophecies and teachings? And if the prophecies and teachings are false, what does God command the believer to do?
Second, if a man claims to be a prophet of God, and he delivers a prophecy in the name of God, but the prophecy fails, how much more information is needed to pronounce the man a false prophet? God has already shown believers' how to spot a false prophet (Deuteronomy 18:21-22; 2 Peter 2:1-3; 2 John 1:9-10).
Third, if a man or woman claims to be a Christian, but denies the Trinity or the deity of Jesus Christ, what does God command the Christian to do?
You wrote: "If Stacey did make a mistake or not it is up to Holy Spirit to lead her to repentence and that is between her God. We as Christians have the responsiblity to love one another and pray for one another. God bless you and Ms. Campbell."
Teresa, in her "Public Statement Regarding Prophecy To Todd Bentley," Stacey Campbell stated that,
"I gave Todd Bentley a public prophetic word, which was broadcast around the world through GodTV" and that "I prophesied publicly on GodTV that Todd Bentley would be a 'first fruits' of a generation that would walk both in the anointing and the glory of God."
However, during Todd Bentley's "Commissioning," Stacey Campbell prophesied in part that:
"Todd, I have chosen you because of your background; because of your background; because of your background, to release My nature when you release My gifts; to become a living epistle like the Word that became flesh, and people saw the glory of God.
"And I will use you to father a movement that operates in such revival power, but it is coming out of the very nature and heart of God. And you will teach people how to behold God until they are transformed from glory to glory; from compassion to mercy, to lovingkindness to truth, to justice, to forgiveness. And a whole generation will move in such signs and wonders and power, but everyone will give glory to God."
Stacey Campbell's prophecy was not a mere mistake, it was a false prophecy. Furthermore, it attempted to elevate Todd Bentley to the same level as Jesus Christ.
Please remember that according to the Bible, it only takes one false prophecy to be a false prophet (Deuteronomy 18:21-22).
And while only God can open her eyes and ears to the truth and repentance, in the meantime, God commands Christians to guard and protect the body of Christ by exposing false prophets and false teachers (Matthew 7:15; Matthew chapter 24; Romans 16:17-18; Acts 20:27-31; 1 Timothy 6:3-5; Colossians 2:8; Titus 1:9; Ephesians 5:11; Jude 3).
In Christian love,
Bud
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kathisharpe
Stacey Campbell's prophecy will only be "false" if Todd dies before it comes to pass.
10 months ago
in Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word on PRAY|THE|REVOLUTION
John:
With the exception of sharing what God has already revealed in His word, I have never delivered a prophecy. I am not a prophet, nor have I ever claimed to be.
If I may ask just two questions:
1. Specifically, what is a false prophecy?
2. In light of Deuteronomy 18:21-22 and Matthew 24:24, when is someone considered a false prophet?
Thanks
With the exception of sharing what God has already revealed in His word, I have never delivered a prophecy. I am not a prophet, nor have I ever claimed to be.
If I may ask just two questions:
1. Specifically, what is a false prophecy?
2. In light of Deuteronomy 18:21-22 and Matthew 24:24, when is someone considered a false prophet?
Thanks
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John Burton
False prophecy, as I see it, is fairly clear. If someone were to prophecy something that drew us away from clear, biblical truth (the absolutes of scripture), then it would be false. Note, 'false' doesn't mean wrong. We all get it wrong. 'false prophecy' is demonically driven. It's end result is to deny the divinity of Christ.
This is what Matt 24:24 clearly indicates.
Also, keep in mind, OT 'Prophet' equals NT 'Apostle', specifically the apostles that wrote and finished the canon of scripture.
We are all called to prophesy, and I'd strongly encourage you (as Paul did) to operate in this gift. It's very, very important. It's the only way, at times, we can successfully encourage another or help them grow via God given confirmation.
This is what Matt 24:24 clearly indicates.
Also, keep in mind, OT 'Prophet' equals NT 'Apostle', specifically the apostles that wrote and finished the canon of scripture.
We are all called to prophesy, and I'd strongly encourage you (as Paul did) to operate in this gift. It's very, very important. It's the only way, at times, we can successfully encourage another or help them grow via God given confirmation.
10 months ago
in Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word on PRAY|THE|REVOLUTION
John, please stop trying to wiggle out of answering the questions.
Will you show me one Scripture in the Bible where God approved of a "poor prophecy"?
Also, where in Scripture does it say or even imply that prophecy "must be practiced and learned just like any other gift."
Also, you stated above that, "Basically, New Testament prophecy is not God's very words, but rather it's the report of something God reveals to the Christian. The 'report' is the fallible part as it's transmitted via human words after human processing."
How do you justify that in light of 2 Timothy 3:16-17?
"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."
Will you show me one Scripture in the Bible where God approved of a "poor prophecy"?
Also, where in Scripture does it say or even imply that prophecy "must be practiced and learned just like any other gift."
Also, you stated above that, "Basically, New Testament prophecy is not God's very words, but rather it's the report of something God reveals to the Christian. The 'report' is the fallible part as it's transmitted via human words after human processing."
How do you justify that in light of 2 Timothy 3:16-17?
"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."
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John Burton
You may not be reading what I already shared. I shared clear scripture. Have you really never missed it on a prophecy?
Your 2 Tim scripture has nothing to do with prophecy. That's talking about scripture.
Read that book. It'll help quite a bit. It was very revealing for me.
We're Christians, so we're really not supposed to be involved in debate. We're on the same team. Blessings!
Your 2 Tim scripture has nothing to do with prophecy. That's talking about scripture.
Read that book. It'll help quite a bit. It was very revealing for me.
We're Christians, so we're really not supposed to be involved in debate. We're on the same team. Blessings!
10 months ago
in Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word on PRAY|THE|REVOLUTION
John, please show me one Scripture in the Bible where God approved of a "poor prophecy."
Also, where in Scripture does it say or even imply that prophecy "must be practiced and learned just like any other gift."
Also, where in Scripture does it say or even imply that prophecy "must be practiced and learned just like any other gift."
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John Burton
Read above. I shared about that. It's quite clear. Read a book by Wayne Grudem titled "The Gift of Prophecy".
I can't imagine you've been 100% accurate on every prophecy you've given. Have you?
I can't imagine you've been 100% accurate on every prophecy you've given. Have you?
10 months ago
in Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word on PRAY|THE|REVOLUTION
Yes, humans sin and make mistakes. For example, a typo in an article is a mistake. Turning off the freeway onto a wrong exit is a mistake. Dialing a wrong number is a mistake. But when someone claims to be a prophet of God, then foretells a false prophecy, it is a sin, and God calls them false prophets:
"You may say in your heart, How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken? When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him" (Deuteronomy 18:21-22).
"Then the LORD said to me, 'The prophets are prophesying falsehood in My name I have neither sent them nor commanded them nor spoken to them; they are prophesying to you a false vision, divination, futility and the deception of their own minds'" (Jeremiah 14:14).
And Jesus warned, ""Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves" (Matthew 7:15).
Is there a "huge difference" between a lie and a white lie? A lie is a lie, regardless of the source. All false prophets are liars.
Therefore, John, please show me one Scripture in the Bible where God approved of a "poor prophecy."
"You may say in your heart, How will we know the word which the LORD has not spoken? When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him" (Deuteronomy 18:21-22).
"Then the LORD said to me, 'The prophets are prophesying falsehood in My name I have neither sent them nor commanded them nor spoken to them; they are prophesying to you a false vision, divination, futility and the deception of their own minds'" (Jeremiah 14:14).
And Jesus warned, ""Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves" (Matthew 7:15).
Is there a "huge difference" between a lie and a white lie? A lie is a lie, regardless of the source. All false prophets are liars.
Therefore, John, please show me one Scripture in the Bible where God approved of a "poor prophecy."
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John Burton
1 Cor 14:1 tells us to desire the gift of prophecy above all other gifts. People receive revelation in a variety of different ways including pictures, inner voice, audible voice, etc. It's very easy to see a picture, and to only have a part of the insight (we prophesy in part). Sometimes, immature people can attempt to interpret it and not get it quite right.
Prophesy is a gift and it must be practiced and learned just like any other gift.
1 Corinthians 14:29 (NKJV) Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.
You wouldn't deem a prophet false in such a situation, but more seasoned prophets would judge and them steer the meeting accordingly.
Dake says this: If any message in tongues or prophecy does not harmonize with the Bible, or does not come to pass, then it is to be judged false and the person said to be speaking by his own spirit Dake's Annotated Reference Bible.
We can speak of our own spirit... but that doesn't mean we are speaking to intentionally mislead. We can miss it. Many people have to learn how to hear God... how to know if it's God speaking vs. their own thoughts. It's a learning process.
Here's what Wayne Grudem says:
(In 1 Cor) the congregation would simply evaluate the prophecy and form opinions about it. Some of it might be very valuable and some of it not. The process is understandable only if there is a difference in the kind of speech envisioned by the Old Testament and that in 1 Corinthians. The prophets at Corinth must not have been thought to speak with divine authority attaching to their actual words. Their prophecies were subject to evaluation and questioning at every point. New Testament Christians were only thought to be speaking merely human words to report something that God had brought to mind.
Basically, New Testament prophecy is not God's very words, but rather it's the report of something God reveals to the Christian. The 'report' is the fallible part as it's transmitted via human words after human processing.
The term apokalypto in 1 Cor 14:30 does not require us to think that a Christian prophet who reported something God had revealed would be speaking the very words of God.
In 1 Cor 14:29 it seems that the prophet's words could be challenged and questioned, and that the prophet could at times be wrong. Yet there is no indication that an occasional mistake would make him a 'false prophet'.
The prophecy we find in 1 Corinthians, while it may have been prompted by a 'revelation' from God, had only the authority of the merely human words in which it was spoken. The prophet could err, could misinterpret, and could be questioned or challenged at any point.
Prophesy is a gift and it must be practiced and learned just like any other gift.
1 Corinthians 14:29 (NKJV) Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.
You wouldn't deem a prophet false in such a situation, but more seasoned prophets would judge and them steer the meeting accordingly.
Dake says this: If any message in tongues or prophecy does not harmonize with the Bible, or does not come to pass, then it is to be judged false and the person said to be speaking by his own spirit Dake's Annotated Reference Bible.
We can speak of our own spirit... but that doesn't mean we are speaking to intentionally mislead. We can miss it. Many people have to learn how to hear God... how to know if it's God speaking vs. their own thoughts. It's a learning process.
Here's what Wayne Grudem says:
(In 1 Cor) the congregation would simply evaluate the prophecy and form opinions about it. Some of it might be very valuable and some of it not. The process is understandable only if there is a difference in the kind of speech envisioned by the Old Testament and that in 1 Corinthians. The prophets at Corinth must not have been thought to speak with divine authority attaching to their actual words. Their prophecies were subject to evaluation and questioning at every point. New Testament Christians were only thought to be speaking merely human words to report something that God had brought to mind.
Basically, New Testament prophecy is not God's very words, but rather it's the report of something God reveals to the Christian. The 'report' is the fallible part as it's transmitted via human words after human processing.
The term apokalypto in 1 Cor 14:30 does not require us to think that a Christian prophet who reported something God had revealed would be speaking the very words of God.
In 1 Cor 14:29 it seems that the prophet's words could be challenged and questioned, and that the prophet could at times be wrong. Yet there is no indication that an occasional mistake would make him a 'false prophet'.
The prophecy we find in 1 Corinthians, while it may have been prompted by a 'revelation' from God, had only the authority of the merely human words in which it was spoken. The prophet could err, could misinterpret, and could be questioned or challenged at any point.
10 months ago
in Letter from Stacey Campbell : Todd Bentley : Prophetic Word on PRAY|THE|REVOLUTION
Wait a minute! Stacey Campbell delivered a prophecy over Todd Bentley during his "Commissioning." It was a false prophecy! Where is Campbell's repentance, renouncement, and separation?
False prophets and false teachers have always been rejected by God, and are not a part of the body of Christ. The entire New Apostolic Reformation is false and apostate! Everyone involved should repent, renounce, and separate--even if it costs everything.
For to lose everything for Jesus Christ is to lose nothing and gain everything.
I pray that God will be merciful and open your eyes and ears to the truth of His word and saving grace.
False prophets and false teachers have always been rejected by God, and are not a part of the body of Christ. The entire New Apostolic Reformation is false and apostate! Everyone involved should repent, renounce, and separate--even if it costs everything.
For to lose everything for Jesus Christ is to lose nothing and gain everything.
I pray that God will be merciful and open your eyes and ears to the truth of His word and saving grace.
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John Burton
You have an incorrect understanding of prophecy, and it's resulting in what seems to be zero mercy. It's not a godly attribute. It's quite common for fallible humans to make a mistake when giving a prophecy. We prophecy in part. We see dimly.
There's a huge difference between false prophecy and poor prophecy. False prophecy is demonic and is meant to mislead. Poor prophecy is due to our human weakness. We can fail.
Also, prophecy is conditional. The failure of a prophecy may actually be due to the fault of the one receiving the prophecy as opposed to the one giving it.
It's ok to say "In my opinion I believe the New Apostolic Reformation is false...", but it's immature and irresponsible to assume to have the final call for all of Christianity. Many wonderful Christian brothers and sisters of yours disagree with your position. It's ok to disagree and we must be humble enough to admit that we may be wrong in an area.
There's a huge difference between false prophecy and poor prophecy. False prophecy is demonic and is meant to mislead. Poor prophecy is due to our human weakness. We can fail.
Also, prophecy is conditional. The failure of a prophecy may actually be due to the fault of the one receiving the prophecy as opposed to the one giving it.
It's ok to say "In my opinion I believe the New Apostolic Reformation is false...", but it's immature and irresponsible to assume to have the final call for all of Christianity. Many wonderful Christian brothers and sisters of yours disagree with your position. It's ok to disagree and we must be humble enough to admit that we may be wrong in an area.
10 months ago
in Todd Bentley’s Opponents : Irresponsibility : Correction on PRAY|THE|REVOLUTION
So, when the body of Christ is confronted by false prophets and false teachers, Christians are to ignore the following Scriptures? Where is the reward in compromising the faith and turning a deaf-ear to deception?
"But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good" (1 Thessalonians 5:21).
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1).
"Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them. For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting" (Romans 16:17-18).
"Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints. For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ" (Jude 1:3-4).
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ" (Colossians 2:8).
"Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but expose them" (Ephesians 5:11).
"Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds" (2 John 1:9-10).
"Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?" (2 Corinthians 6:14-15)
"But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good" (1 Thessalonians 5:21).
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1).
"Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them. For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting" (Romans 16:17-18).
"Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints. For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ" (Jude 1:3-4).
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ" (Colossians 2:8).
"Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but expose them" (Ephesians 5:11).
"Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds" (2 John 1:9-10).
"Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?" (2 Corinthians 6:14-15)
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John Burton
Of course we must deal with people who are clearly false prophets. But, do you realize that we are all to prophesy? Do you realize that in our humanness that we can have a bad day and discern incorrectly? We can fail? That doesn't mean we meant to fail, meant to lead astray... we just failed.
Other times it's not the person giving the prophecy that is at fault... it's the one receiving it.
To attempt to judge from a distance is irresponsible. You don't have all of the information necessary. You aren't a player in the person's life, so your opinion is not necessary.
It would be easy for me to read Romans 16:17-18 and point the finger at you. You are causing dissension. But, I don't know you and can't simply take one or two statements and draw a final conclusion. It would be unfair and not my place.
The same is true with Todd and Stacey. If I heard that you were weeping and interceding for them, your comments would hold more weight.
Other times it's not the person giving the prophecy that is at fault... it's the one receiving it.
To attempt to judge from a distance is irresponsible. You don't have all of the information necessary. You aren't a player in the person's life, so your opinion is not necessary.
It would be easy for me to read Romans 16:17-18 and point the finger at you. You are causing dissension. But, I don't know you and can't simply take one or two statements and draw a final conclusion. It would be unfair and not my place.
The same is true with Todd and Stacey. If I heard that you were weeping and interceding for them, your comments would hold more weight.
Believers have to be careful not to divide and debate the non-absolutes. What can happen is willing division... and we have to be innocent, childlike and prepared to endure the severity of the end-times together. Basically, we as family members have to love each other and avoid separation. So, I'm certainly willing to affirm your right to your perspective. I'll hang on to mine and we can still run the race together.