Actually, I think your idea that the disenfranchised minority can wait for their rights until the majority sees their point of view goes against how women and non[-whites got votes and rights. Slavery, the disenfranchisement of women and other things have all been legal, popular and wrong in the past. The process you have for putting propositions forward is biased against minority groups. Imagine if the proportion of gays and straights was reversed...would YOU feel it was fair for US to vote on your right to marry? I doubt it. Really , the only ones who should decide whether I can marry or not are myself and my prospective partner. Why should anyone else get a say?
Michael Koby Actually, it doesn't go against it. Both were amendments to the constitution, the only way to amend the constitution is for it to be voted as such. Article V of the constitution states as such (abbreviated to conserve space)
*"*...shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States or by Conventions in three fourths thereof...*"* (complete text can be found on wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_th...)
The only way for an amendment to actually become an amendment is for it to be voted for by 3/4's of the his country's states. So again, no, my "idea" does not go against how women and non-whites got votes and rights (see the 19th and 15th amendments respectively).
What you are suggesting is that the minority rule the majority. You are also further arguing that it is okay to for people to go to court and forcibly take what they want regardless if it will cause people's vote to not count. Basically saying, "Hey, it's okay if those people feel like their votes don't count as long as i get what I want" and that is just not fair to those that took time out of their day to go and vote their stance on an issue.
I'm not arguing if the current system is right or wrong. That's not what this post was about. The current system is flawed and I have never once stated that it was perfect. However, the system as it stands is the system that we must deal with. Why should gays be different than women or non-whites and get what they want by judicial interpretation (which is what it is if the courts in CA rule against the passing of Prop 8) when women and non-whites had to work with in the system to achieve their goals? Are you arguing that gays are some how different than women or non-whites and thus should be treated with even more special care?
You argue that it is wrong and unfair for the minority to have to wait for the majority to see their point of view. However, that's exactly what women and non-whites had to do. And you know what? It worked for them. They have rights to vote now. I'm sure that if the gays want to marry that badly, they can get a new proposition on the next ballot and have it pass. But they should still work within the system as it currently stands not find loopholes that cause millions of voters to feel like their vote didn't count.
Also, as of Nov. 4th I am in a minority. I'm in a minority of people who don't believe Obama was a good choice for president. I am 1 of a VERY small number among my friends, peers, and co-workers. In this case, the system did not work the way I wanted it to. But you know what? That's the way it goes sometimes. I have to deal with 4 yars under a leader i neither voted for or wanted. You don't see me throwing a "world class hissy" do you? Why? Because in 4 years I get another chance to vote against Obama, and I'll do it again. Just because the system doesn't work the way one wants it to, doesn't give a minority of people the right to forcibly take what they want. Regardless if you like the system's results, you still live within that system and should abide by it until such time the system can be modifed and made better.
constitution, the only way to amend the constitution is for it to be voted
as such. Article V of the constitution states as such (abbreviated to
conserve space)
*"*...shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this
Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the
several States or by Conventions in three fourths thereof...*"* (complete
text can be found on wikipedia at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_th...)
The only way for an amendment to actually become an amendment is for it to
be voted for by 3/4's of the his country's states. So again, no, my "idea"
does not go against how women and non-whites got votes and rights (see the
19th and 15th amendments respectively).
What you are suggesting is that the minority rule the majority. You are
also further arguing that it is okay to for people to go to court and
forcibly take what they want regardless if it will cause people's vote to
not count. Basically saying, "Hey, it's okay if those people feel like
their votes don't count as long as i get what I want" and that is just not
fair to those that took time out of their day to go and vote their stance on
an issue.
I'm not arguing if the current system is right or wrong. That's not what
this post was about. The current system is flawed and I have never once
stated that it was perfect. However, the system as it stands is the system
that we must deal with. Why should gays be different than women or
non-whites and get what they want by judicial interpretation (which is what
it is if the courts in CA rule against the passing of Prop 8) when women and
non-whites had to work with in the system to achieve their goals? Are you
arguing that gays are some how different than women or non-whites and thus
should be treated with even more special care?
You argue that it is wrong and unfair for the minority to have to wait for
the majority to see their point of view. However, that's exactly what women
and non-whites had to do. And you know what? It worked for them. They
have rights to vote now. I'm sure that if the gays want to marry that
badly, they can get a new proposition on the next ballot and have it pass.
But they should still work within the system as it currently stands not find
loopholes that cause millions of voters to feel like their vote didn't
count.
Also, as of Nov. 4th I am in a minority. I'm in a minority of people who
don't believe Obama was a good choice for president. I am 1 of a VERY small
number among my friends, peers, and co-workers. In this case, the system
did not work the way I wanted it to. But you know what? That's the way it
goes sometimes. I have to deal with 4 yars under a leader i neither voted
for or wanted. You don't see me throwing a "world class hissy" do you?
Why? Because in 4 years I get another chance to vote against Obama, and
I'll do it again. Just because the system doesn't work the way one wants it
to, doesn't give a minority of people the right to forcibly take what they
want. Regardless if you like the system's results, you still live within
that system and should abide by it until such time the system can be modifed
and made better.