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6 months ago

in You have Rick Warren officially spooked on AMERICAblog
I wrote about a solution today: inviting Peter Gomes to give a co-invocation with Rick Warren. Now, that would be the message the President-elect was originally looking for.
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No Hope In Politics Saw that at Orange Satan.

Wondered if by the same logic it would be appropriate to have David Duke & MLK III appear together.

Y'know... Fair & Balanced.

6 months ago

in Hope is fading on AMERICAblog
It's not whether they can be successful or not that matters. Pat Buchanan pretty much torpedoed HW's re-election. Te Kennedy ruined Jimmy Carter's re-election. Ronald Reagan ruined Gerald Ford's re-election. To a lesser extent, Bill Bradley prevented Al Gore's election.

If a consensus candidate--a President or Vice President f a popular administration--faces a serious challenger from their party's base, they will be forced to tact to the fringe after they win the nomination in the name of party unity.

People who could pose problems for Barack Obama in 2010: Gavin Newsom (if he gets elected Governor/Senator of California), Howard Dean, Russ Feingold, Barbara Boxer, etc.

If one of those candidates runs, then Obama will probably lose. Feingold would probably be the toughest for Obama to dispatch. (The one thing Obama has going for him is that Biden may well decide to retire in 4 years if there's a contentious primary, and the progressive opponent can be given the VP slot).
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Indigo Good analysis.  I'm going to file it and watch as events unfold.

6 months ago

in Hope is fading on AMERICAblog
The problem here is that Warren is fundamentally incapable of doing what Obama asked him to do. Warren cannot lead a national prayer because he believes that gay believers are not believers, and refuses to admit them to his church. So Warren giving a NATIONAL prayer means that people are being excluded from that moment of contemplation. Worse, there is a high probability Warren freelances and makes dumb, divisive statements with his prayer. The reason: there is an opening on the fruitcake right he's trying to fill. What Obama should do is invite Peter Gomes to come by and give a co-invocation with Warren. Then the onus is on Warren to either admit his gay hate is hot air aimed at $elling books by praying with Gomes, or to admit he is a hypocrite and fruad who is so uncivil that he refuses to pray with those he disagrees with.

11 months ago

in The Debate That Wasn’t - Smells like Bullshyt on Jack and Jill Politics
Finding common ground wins elections; holding grudges and living in the past doesn't. It's as simple as that.
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msmartin Well said. I'd like to add that focusing in your opponent in a negative manner will lose it too.
CPL The "finding common ground" only works when both sides put their cards on the table. We didn't see that yesterday. In fact, the whole "debate" was nothing more than a lovefest between Markos and Harold. For someone who eviscerated Obama's changing on FISA, not to mention raking Harold Ford over the coals for being anti-gay, Markos has sure changed his tune regarding the Dark Sith.

You get rid of grudges when apologizies, restitution and repentence are on the table. Harold Ford brought none of that yesterday - he and Markos are pay for play on both sides of the fence, where there is opportunity to advance their own self-serving agendas.

One is a former ReThug and the other aspires to be a ReThug, under the cover of looking like a Democrat. When it comes to the real deal, both are suspect.
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12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
Thanks for the compliment.

I know the basics of the theory from college. I haven't read the book. Some day--after I move, after my health gets squared away again, and after the election--I'll check it out of the library.

I'm all for a dialog--after the election. If the election turns into a dialog, Obama is toast.I want to win more than anything else at the moment. For those who have issues they care deeply about, that can be a bit abrasive.

Finally, when I'm posting, noticed Obama made major changes in his press operation today. Good. It was long past the time to go to the bullpen. I commend that and will shut up about the new press operation for a while.

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
You're right, Cable news does drive the media story line. The problem with this isn't that it'll be seen on cable news; is that it'll make its way to the networks, which have about 5 times the audience of cable news. That's a big problem. Networks also have shorter amounts of time to cover the story, so there's likely to be less debunking going on there. That's why fighting for the cable news story lines is important. You're absolutely right about the power of the morning shows. Most important of all.

I think you're wrong about buying the magazine up. Magazines don't make money through issue sales; they make money through advertising. If one person buys 50 copies but only reads one and only to write down a list of advertisers then the advertisers are going to want their money back. That's hundreds of thousands of dollars. Not the $200 it'd take to buy the issue off of the newsstands.

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
Not fair, I've been blasting away at the front pagers over at DailyKos. While I understand where some would see race. I think this has little to do with race, and much to do with the assumption that Obama's win is a foregone conclusion so he should be pressured into pursuing their agenda(s). I think that's a huge mistake, and I've told them that pretty bluntly. But it's also a mistake for Obama's African American supporters to be seeing race in everything; that just diminishes the effectiveness of responses when there actually is race involved (see the New Yorker Cover). I think too many people here think the sole goal is to elect an African American candidate. Look that is a goal, and a goal that I share. But we have to win the election to achieve that goal. Winning a general election means working with people you don't like...
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kenyaw The Bag,
It is called racial paranoia. It is ineffective as a way to solve problems today.
Your comment was well written. I hope that we are open to the dialogue about racial paranioa.
Have you read the Jackson Johnson book or the same title?

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
I agree. I spot something. The Obama campaign better be prepared for a very unwanted endorsement in October. That's what shit like this is trying to prompt.
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Town Like say, from Rev. Wright?

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
You're wrong about cable news. There's an assumption that everybody watches it. In truth only about 4% of the country and 8% of eligible voters watch it. Cable new has a daily audience of around 8-12 million. Grocery stores where this thing might be sold--90+% of the country frequents them.

Buying them up, and informing advertisers that you bought 30 copies and only read one just to see who to boycott would make it very clear that the hundreds of thousands of dollars they dropped on full page ads were totally wasted.
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Sepia I disagree with you on all fronts. Cable news can do damage to a campaign as proven with the Rev. Wright drama. And there's also nightly news programs (like ABC News, Nightline, NBC....etc.), morning show programs like The Today Show, as well as local news outlets.

Putting money in the pockets of your enemy is not the way to punish them.

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
I called up my Mom who is 59, working class, and white. Her crowd, though not her, are the people who supported Hillary. Her reaction, "Who is that supposed to be, Michelle Obama? Oh my God, that is pathetic and racist."

The bright side is that the public is usually brighter than the left-wing idiots give them credit for.
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kenyaw Bag,
That is what I was trying to articulate in my other comment. I believe that it will make others feel like they went to far and that it was in sensitive.
But, in all honesty, if we never talk about these feelings, we would all continue to be held hostage by them.

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
It will backfire. Big time.

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
Ben Smith used to work for the New Yorker I believe. No surprise he'd defend his old bosses.

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
It visually depicts the smears, which means that cable news can cover it and they can get into a wider audience. The New Yorker, like the rest of the left, is assuming a victory, so they can try to boost their anemic circulation by creating controversy.

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
When idiots like the cartoonists try satire, the results are disastrous.

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
FYI, the press shop is generally white (though not exclusively white). I want Obama to win. If people keep living in denial and assuming that his campaign can do no wrong because they won the primary, we're in for a rude surprise in November. I know competent press work when I see it. Obama's current press team is not competent. You can deny that all you want. You can pretend that they can do no wrong. But to WIN, people need to be honest about the campaign's short comings. If this is fixed now, it'll be alright. If it's fixed in October, not so much.

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
My e-mail left him speechless. Damn idiot's career is over. Not that I care. couldn't happen to a bigger asshole.

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
Another thing to do, buy up all issues on your local newsstands so nobody else sees this garbage. Then burn the piece of shit, or wipe your ass with it.
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TruthSeeker Er..buy them? No, throw them off the newstand onto the ground and stamp on them. They'll have to return the damaged ones to the publisher for a refund.

Try not to get arrested.
glaukopis I think they'd like you to do that - better for their bottom line. Tell the newsstand owner why you're not buying the magazine or anything else there until the magazine's gone. Promise that you will come back and support them if they get rid of it. If they are not responsive, well, if the magazine gets a little frayed from your reading it at the stand, maybe others won't want it.

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
Keep denying that Obama's people can do wrong, and watch as he's trounced in November.
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Michelle Bag -- It's YOU I am having a problem with here, your persistent rigid Know It All evangelism in comment after comment after comment.

Obviously I don't deny that the Obama campaign can do no wrong, since as you well know because I posted about it in our very first conversation, when they did do wrong in my estimation I complained about it.

But you only see what you want to see. If ian actual fact doesn't fit into your rigid "I Know Everything" assumptions and theory you don't bother with it.

The problem I have is with your approach.
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TruthSeeker Well, I don't think it's a bad as that. But I agree that the communications dept is like molasses when it comes to dealing with this kind of stuff. During the primaries, I thought it seemed that way only because Hillary's team was so aggressive in comparison. But, even with John McCain's ineptitude, they still can't seem to take the lead with the media. They don't quite know how to feed the beast...consistently.

..Ha, maybe someone should write a book: "The proper care and feeding of the media". Then all the Obama people should read it. The media can be a positive force if you just accept their existence and use their stupidity and hunger for a story, against them.

I think Obama personally doesn't like the media, and perhaps looks down his nose at them. If I'm right, and that culture permeates his organization, then they may be too resistant to engage the media enough to control it.

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
And that was a more difficult story than this to kill. If they had simply said, "This will endanger the Senator and lead to more threats from hate groups," the cover NEVER would've seen the light of day. It's pretty basic press management there. Apparently, the people Obama has in his press shop aren't bright enough to get that.
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TruthSeeker Who are the people in his press shop?
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kenyaw Why would you say that Obama's press management staff is not bright?
Call me crazy -- but I thought that Clinton was a home and Obama was 1 month away from the nomination.
That you would suggest that Obama's staff is some how not as bright as the Clintons is offensive.
The Obama camp has been deliberate about not addressing this type of silliness.
It takes a wise and mature person to let ignorance be ignorance. Eventually, when you don't respond the offender actually grows from the experience. If you respond you give them just what they wanted--validation.

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
They're all trying to get into the Very Inept Press Section of St. John the McMaverick's plane. Good to see somebody from the left-wing blogs actually defend Obama.

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
July is when shit like this is pulled. It's far enough away from the election so they don't have to worry about backlash.

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
Yep, they couldn't get anybody to buy their toilet paper, so they thought this would be a commercial. They'll all be in the unemployment line next week.

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
Registering voters isn't going to win the election if shit like this is framing the narrative.

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
New Press Shop now. This cover never should've happened. The Bradenburg Gate flap never should've happened. The Jesse Jackson thing never should've happened. The Press Shop needs to be replaced ASAP. If they had fought this before hand, the cover never would've been printed. And yes, they had to know about this. And if they didn't know about this, they're incompetent. Hire Howard Wolfson. He's an ass, but he's an ass made for that job.
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99 Percent Sure Except hasn't Wanker Wolfson signed on with Fox?
Michelle Wow. A white person who un-self-critically Knows Exactly What Should Be Done and loudly proclaims it over and over and over and over again and again and again in a one-note fashion for multiple days in every discussion it can possibly be inserted into.

That's unusual!

12 months ago

in With Friends Like These…… on Jack and Jill Politics
Thanks, this is what I sent him:
You drew a bigoted "cartoon." You'll say it was satire. So was Michael Richards' use the N word. His career is over, as is yours. Your cartoon was insensitive, shows that your are a complete idiot who has no fucking idea about what is funny. It spread smears. It made a Presidential candidate less safe. And worst of all, it spread bigotry about American Muslims. Sorry, but if you actually bothered to talk to them,you'd know that they all hate bin Laden. Yet you depicted them as bin Laden-loving, flag burners. Enjoy the unemployment line. And no, I don't spare change for bigots like you.
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