DISQUS

Looks like with the SPY closing under 802 today the we have completed Wave 5. Any thoughts?

Well of course he's more white than black. He's so clean and articulate, too.
People, people, we've transcended race - didn't you get the memo? Naturally having transcended race the default setting will be white, ergo Sen. Obama is more white than black.

**snark**

Craig - don't leave us hanging. Some of us had to turn the tv off to avoid Lanny. You know I got me a nice tv and I don't want to break it - that Lanny and his dumb a** VP petition is likely to make me throw something and I got aim, nowhadda'm sayin'?


I was very surprised by the unleashing of repressed anger over at CNN. I really though they were the Clinton New Network - now it looks like they were just some sort of stockholm syndrome having survivors finally locating their rage.



Before Buchanan came on and stunk up the place MSNBC was doing okay. Except for that bit of irony from the Russ-man. Yeah Tim we're going to focus on issues now, now that Obama is done "renouncing" Farrakhan and any other blacks Timmy and the white media feel he needs to denounce/renounce - sigh.



Whatta day, whatta day. We need a clip of that "Oh Happy Day" moment from Sister Act 2. I know, I know - it wasn't as good as the first one - but still ... it had some good numbers and Lauren Hill.

Please sign the petition located on the right sidebar from the clip. I don't know if i'll do any good with Fox but we need to let them know we're not going to stand for this.


Also consider contacting the FCC as well - those are public airwaves on which they are inciting violence and expelling their filth.



I don't know if this qualifies as "profane" it does to me so I'm complaining. Here's the link to the FCC Form and instructions: http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm?sid=d1e6...>

Preach Rikyrah, preach! Papa C said some time ago he would vote for McCain in the "unlikely event". I've tried to persuad him to write Sen. Obama in.


I cannot support Hillary for exactly the reasons you have so eloquently stated and I am not down with 10, 100 or 1000 years in Iraq, or any other of that ish Republicans get all heated about that are completely opposite of everything I stand for.



"They'll be back, where else do they have to go?" so freaking dismissive - it's just one more damn insult to my intelligence and to my humanity isn't it?

@ b-serious what about Gabrielle Union, she's got the hieght, she's pretty classy, good looking. Or waht about the one from Girlfriends? shoot - what is her name.....

Wait Justice58 - is Sen. Obama without a church? Rev. Wright has retired from Trinity. I heard Sen. Obama renounce Wright, I didn't hear him say he was leaving Trinity.


I feel ya' Jack it looks like the double standard coming into play yet again. Actually it doesn't just look like it, it is, but it's also deeper than that.



IMHO, the closer Sen. Obama gets to becoming the Democratic nominee the more fired up the right and a part of the democractic base is to bring him down. The magic negro is just a little tooo magic for some folks.



My theory on this dumb ass Faux News manufactured controversy from right-wing professional nut-job Hannity goes like this: Hannity finds the Trinity tapes and carefully pores through them realizing that his demographic will be shocked and titallated by the preaching style. Then discovers with some editing he can get a bigger bang for his buck on the "chickens coming home to roost" and the "G-D America". Thus is born his carefully edited, out-of-context Wright's greatest hits clip. He takes it on air last year and tries to get some traction going. At first, and for most of last year,it was ignored by the larger MSM media -so how come this got all this traction now? And why won't it, for the love of God, die?



This controversy won't die because the MSM is as much a part of corporate America as lobbyist are and corporate America does not want this negro anywhere near the White House. You all saw the shameful performances of ABC Clinton shills at the debates and wasn't it here that I was seeing CNN refered to as the Clinton News Network? Sen. Obama is running on a platform of taking their ball away. Of course they are going to throw as much dirt and ish up on him as they can.



Enter Hannity's Rev. Wright tapes -it may not be as good a scandal as the proverbial "dead hooker or live boy" but at this stage in the game it will have to do.



They are trying to hamstring him before it goes to convention. If they can do it now, during the season of primaries and caucus, they can use the "will of the voters" as cover. If they don't stop him now, they will have to do it at convention out in the open in front of everybody - and of course we've all vowed to watch that convention carefully.



This Wright controversy is not dying, it won't go away unless they can come up with something bigger and better. Some will ride this dead horse all the way to the convention, others will be riding it all the way to the damn election in November.



For sweet mercy's sake - someone call the ASPCA already.

i am hoping that the away grey shirt is FAKE

omg man thats jus stupid the third luks alright but the away one is terrible. why cant we just have black ones definetly not yellow or green
and what happend to the home shirt WHERE IS THE CREATIVEITY

Rhondacoca - Brownfemipower is a blogger who for years has been writing about the intersation of race and feminisim and specfically delving into immigration as a feminist issue. She apparently was extremely well written and researched and an inspiration to a number of women of color bloggers.


Last week she took down her site, permantly, in the wake of what is apparently an appropriation of her work by Amanada Marcotte. (I use hedging language here because I came late to the party and didn't see Marcotte's article and haven't read bfp's work). Marcotte is a feminist writer. She apparently somewhat out of the blue recently did an article discussing how immigration is a feminist issue, something BFP has been fighting to get the white feminist establishment to acknowledge or pay attention to, for years.



Many who regularly read BFP and Marcotte said the points were so similar they expected some level of attribution at the end of the article but Marcotte did not attribute to BFP. They also note that Marcotte herself has been reading BFP for a couple of years and most recently attended a lecture by BFP on this issue, at a Women's confernce they both attended.

You can read more about this and find relevant links at



http://mindthegapuk.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/its-a-jungle-out-there/



and at Feministe: http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/04/1....

and http://highonrebellion.wordpress.com/2008/04/09... seems BFP didn't want to make this about her and Marcotte but did want to call attention to the larger issue of white feminists appropriating the works of women of color and how by so doing they change the nature of the issue and create schizms not just between themselves and WoC but schizms within the PoC communities. They "invisiblize" WoC, their work and their investment and inter-relatedness to the problems within their community that they write about. And apprently create more problems. Needless to say this criticism has been met with massive resistence, entitlement and dismissiveness by Ms Marcotte and her allies. SOSO - sigh.

"I guess some segments of the liberal populace will keep throwing good men-and women-under the bus until Bush is jailed, Obama is elected, the military is withdrawn from Iraq with no concern for the future, and Iran becomes a nuclear state"


...cats and dogs living together in sin, it rains frogs, plagues of locust scour the Earth, Monkeys fly out of my ***, Western civilization falls and the apocalyspe draws nigh. LOL.



Geez D, co-sign Riykah, but drama much?



I jest - keep bringing the conservative viewpoint - it challenges us all to better hone our own viewpoints.

Love it.


Did you see this one? It's a somewhat persuasive argument for Clinton to stay in the race from an Obama supporter:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robbie-baitz/not-until-the-fat-lady-si_b_94360.html



I gotta say I've been nodding in agreement with everything you've written but this gave me pause. I have a friend who is a diehard Clinton supporter and this may be what it takes for him, and others like him, to pack it in after the convention and get on board the Obama train. Food for thought anyways.

Anon @ 11:42 - If you want absolution from sin, first you must STOP sinning.


And therein lies the great racial divide (gender divide, sexual orientation divide, whatever divide have you): because the past really isn't past and it's difficult to find forgiveness in your heart for anyone when you are still being beaten down by injustices large and small on a nearly daily basis. History has allowed this Country to build whole systems that perpetuate the status quo and the status quo has never favored, let alone been fair to the minority populations in this Country. All we've ever asked for is equality - fairness.



It is not unreasonable to object to the idea that a vote for Senator Obama will end the problem of racial injustice. After all, voting for Senator Obama does NOT end racial injustice and no one I know is really naive enough to believe that anyway.



Instead I believe this tenative line of thought has been distorted by the MSM and some right wing bloggers as a way of belittling the many white people who sincerely believe in Senator Obama's message of hope and change.



A small group of the many Sen. Obama supporters I have spoken to believe a vote for Senator Obama could be a tentative start to addressing racial injustice - a leap of faith, a demonstration of their willingness to start the discussion and see it through, if you will. But they believe this in ADDITION to prefering his positive message, his platforms on healthcare, open government and the war and so forth.



You see the difference between the two? I would add my objection to the thought that a vote for Sen. Obama wipes the slate clean. That's just a weak a** attempt to shut the door on the issue, sweep it under the rug and continue on, business as ususal without ever addressing or redressing racial injustice.



Phrase it the second way and my attitude changes. Is voting for Sen. Obama a way of STARTING to bridge the abyss? I am willing to particpate in that social experiment. I certainly would have more faith that this Country is capable of one day redressing racial injustice when I see that that majority of its inhabitants are capable of coming together and electing a black (bi-racial) man as POTUS.



I read some comments in another blog that really resonated with me that I would like to share. It went something like this:

1st commentator: "its long past time America had a discussion about race"

2nd commentator: "we are already having a discussion - and it ain't going well."



I would implore you to go back and read Senator Obama's speech and keep reading it until you really understand it. It's the first glimmer of hope I have seen that this discussion about race might become more positive.

@ Angela, my good friend of 12 years is a Clinton supporter. This came up as I was explaining, several months back, to him and some other friends why I was voting for Obama. I made points outlining Obama's strengths and was careful to speak respectfully of Clinton. I made sure to let him know I respected his choice. His response? Was to tell me I had my facts wrong and take exception with my calling him racist because he wouldn't vote for Obama. He then demanded an apology for my playing the "bulls***" card.


I heard from most of the other email receipents, who were completely incredulous about this blow up - they didn't see how anyone could have read that into my email. Obviously I didn't give him an apology, as I hadn't even remotely called him racist. I asked for clarification on what was the "bulls***" card and that is the last I have heard from my good friend of twelve years. Sadly, I'm not anticipating hearing from him again.



While I grieve the split that appears to be occuring, whether I want it to or not, I am also resolved to moving forward. We can never know what is truly in the hearts of others and if something as cataclysmic as this election reveals to us ugly truths that we didn't realize were there under the surface than I think the best course of action is to cowboy up and deal directly with those revelations. When this election is over and the emotions have died down I might touch base with my old friend if only to confirm for myself that under that loving exterior was someone who was either unwilling or incapable of seeing me as a fully developed human being and was unwilling to work on his own prejudices and narrow-mindeness. It will be painful to revisit but necessary to honor the 12 years of friendship. In the end, if this election is what ends the friendship then I can say with some conviction, it wasn't a friendship that was designed to nourish and nuture either one of us in the long run. I deserve to surround myself with people who can disagree without dismissing, deflecting or denying alternative opinions. I deserve that, we all deserve that.



Bottom line, healthy friendships should be strong enough to endure political battles. If friendships are breaking up over this election battle than it speaks to disagreements of a much more fundamental nature. Like my friend and I, I wonder just how many of these friends had ever sat down and really had long honest discussions about race, gender, religion, sexual orientation and national origin before this election. I realize now that my friend and I never did and maybe we should have.

Jack here's another article for you: http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/... like many of the bloggers at Talking points get it, although many of their commentators do not. I think this will blow over as many Deomocrats realize the absurdity of relying on Hannity as a credible news source and as they seek out information about Trinity on their own. Check out Tami's recollections on Trinty at http://whattamisaid.blogspot.com/2008/03/truth-... was disappointed with CNN and Anderson last nite. I sent the silver one some feedback asking him to reach down and find his journalistic integrity and quit doing hit pieces. I sent him the link to Tami as well. Too bad they couldn't have been a little more fair and balanced in their reporting. I don't know if you noticed they got in a few digs at Michelle while they were on topic as well.

Hold on to hope and remember the math. Go Obama!

Jill, I respect your position but cannot go that way myself for all of the reasons posted above by other commentators. In the event Obama is not the nominee I will leave the Democractic party permanently and register as Independent and encourage all others who cry foul to do the same.I'm voting for Obama. Period. I don't care if I have to write his name in. That's where my vote goes.

@anon at 1:05pm. "Stick to the plan" is a reference to an earlier comment in another thread where Ronnie B suggested that instead of allowing ourselves to be taken for granted that, if the worst comes to pass, we all go independent.


That's independent, not Republican. In fact, immediately aligning ourselves with any party defeats the beauty and simplicity of Ronnie B's plan. As is, we are the base of the Democratic party, they need us to carry the day. But what if we held ourselves as a block of independent voters - whichever party wanted to prevail would have to "court" us. I guarantee you, if they had to court us we would see a change in attitude and tatics right quick.



But that's Plan B - Plan A is to win this bad boy. To that end we need to make sure we spend as much time doing whatever the campaign needs: donating, recruiting, etc., to make sure we stay in this to win this. It ain't over yet and nothing good can come of allowing all HRC's negativity to sap the positive energy and momentum (yes I said MOMENTUM) that Obama has as the front runner in this primary. He's on top and we need to keep him on top - open up that lead and leave her behind.

GO OBAMA!!

co-sign Jill, b-serious.


How can it possibly be in the best interests of your constituents to work to disenfranchise them and thwart their democratic will?



So what far too many of the CBC members are saying is "better you silly negros don't vote at all than you vote differently than my self interests." I can only hope that there will be a groundswell of new political leadership that rises up against these crabs in a barrell. Yeesh.

"As a black woman, more often than not, you have to choose where you're going to stand on things. And despite being a feminist, I'm black first. I have to be. I don't even see it as a choice."


Amen Black Snob, amen. You might like the 2/27 post over at What Tami Said, she's another sister feeling left out, left behind and run over by the Feminist movement.



http://whattamisaid.blogspot.com/2008/02/is-2008-presidential-election-bad-for.html#links



There are other bloggers and some limited discussions on women of color and the feminist movement, but you might have greater success finding them using the academic terms, try : intersectionality and critical race theory ($2 terms for what black AND female gets ya').



On the moving the goal posts front: CNN had commentators on yesterday stating that they now believed that Clinton could hang on to her vaibility even if she lost Texas or Ohio as long as she had a win, however minor, in the other state. As I understood it, she could then claim to have the ability to win the more important swing states and therefore continue to argue she has better electability.



I am pretty sure it was on this blog that I first heard of this Hail Mary strategy or something similar to this. Well, I guess you called it.



I'll be working the phones calling Texas tonight to help out the Obama Campaign. Let's hope he takes both by a landslide so we can end this foolishness already and start looking ahead to November.

What is with Tubbs-Jones? As a Clinton surrogate she spends as much time defending Ms Ann as she does making personal attacks on Obama. Why is that? I don't see any of the other Clinton surrogates as shrill and irrational in their denouncement of all things Obama. It got me to thinking...


Last week on the Field Negro a commentator stated they were a Washington insider and knew firsthand how many of the female CBC members had "cougar'd" up on Obama when he first hit the Washington scene only to be turned down flat. I thought it just idle gossip but now, I wonder if there isn't something to it.



Maybe I am just imagining things, but Tubbs acts as if it's less about defending Clinton as it is about throwing some venom down on Obama. Did he do something, real or imagined, to offend her personally?

I listened to both clips several times very carefully and I didn't hear Hillary credit John Edwards or Bill Clinton for their words. Should I be concerned about this?

@ two dogs - Yeah - you are missing this one.
As for good ideas go here: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

and do some reading.

mmmm, no nichelle. Barack Obama served in his state senate (Illinois) before running for the US senate. So in fact, he has been elected to "other office".

@ Anon - I'm not seeing where your comment relates to the posted article or prior comments. You of course, are right - we shouldn't vote based on our race or our sex. But that is neither stated nor implied in the article.


Jill is quite clear in her call for CBC superdelegates to vote with their districts rather than against their districts. She even acknowledges that some might then be casting for Clinton in the districts she won.



Maybe we're all so used to seeing/hearing this race based voting assumption in the mainstream media that it's permanently etched on our retinas and eardrums and now we see/hear it everywhere.

@Rhonda - that's one hell of a tangent if she was prepared to whip out the Nazi movie in support of her point - where is this happening? A professor, at a
college, in this country? Damn.

Good on you ready to bat that crap down.



Great post Jack , you are right and I need to brush up on my knowledge in case I have a Derrick opportunity. Lol!