DISQUS

to a certain degree R# helps here...

best screencast series on the net, 'nough said...

any plans to exchange O/RM? say for the (next version of) Entity Framework?
probably not, keep it simple is the rule here, I see...

welcome back, Mono topic is definitely a great news.

that is what I was wondering looking on the flight tickets to L.A.

offtopic
half of MIX was "plagued" with Silverlight...
I'm not in war with Silverlight (battling with Flash really badly though ;-) but somehow I got feeling it is a MS marketing meeting not a web dev conference...

do not understimate situation Mr. Conery, 4 weeks that is 2419200 seconds to tick! =D

so have this in mind when you are wasting your time with sleep and such ;p

March 18-20 2009 - my estimate :)

There has been told it will show itself in full Glory on Mix 09, MS main devel conference, so guess we need to get visa fast :)

fantastic analogy, better than the article itself...(sorry Rob;-)

with "more" you certainly meant refactoring it with much better OR/M that L2S is...what was its name...let me check...

...there was some familiarity with sega's hedgog ;)...got it! sonic...Subsonic 3!

I think that will be the final part ;p

to more accurately convey just WTF it is you're setting

Usually I am reading your blog as a purely technical reference to something which might be useful, but the moments like this puts me back to reality that you are the same human like most of us...fuck that :)

which makes me feel really good, that I am dealing with a breathing person as well as the project (that's why you call it baby) and not some sturdy, non-responsive, too technical and retarder Bender copy which needs to get out ASAP to satisfy some remaining fans of Futurama...(an analogy to Entity Framework).

Thanks for the Alpha bits, going to play with it (wish I haven't read Oren's post about Fluent NHibernate's mapping lately, I would have more time =)

yah, your stuff really sucks

ah Rob, you should probably start with a better (more informative) title of this blog entry, so someone can kick it. At first I though you've killed all the MS employees that worked on LINQ and it is hard to find support now ;p

yah, your stuff really sucks :)

I don't know. I've tried to define cold below 70 (tried values 42, 13 and even 0) and still can't get your Saimin layer to work (tried both subsonic and LINQ queries).
Anything else I should add to settings.tt or should I wait for preview 3 where it will be fixed? Will define hot help? If yes than what value should I start with?

thanks

Greetings Rodrigo,

can you make it a more universal solution? e.g. to read settings from web.config file as well?
thanks

Hi Rob,
just watched the video (thanks! can't play with subsonic right now). I have 2 questions:

1. When you were showing System.Data.Common in action, e.g. changing the datastore from MS SQL to MySql database, you haven't changed values in settings.tt (you changed them only in app.config file).
ConnectionString and ProviderName values thus stayed unchanged, and it worked?

2. Why is the ProviderName value in settings.tt set to = "Northwind"? Shouldn't it be set to System.Data.SqlClient?

Now I am thinking if settings.tt file isn't redundant, or if it can't possibly read the settings from web/app.config file (is pure xml afterall).

thanks

I assume you need to get oracle ADO.NET v2.0 provider (or 3.5 if you can find it) so you can connect to Oracle databases.
Google gave me 2 quick choices, official one straight from the oven I haven studied:
http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/windows/o...

and the one I mentioned already, DevArt's developed provider, which I would like to sleep with straight away - so much I like their marketing info, Entity framework support and free ironing of my whole laundry during weekends:
http://www.devart.com/oranet/

which one of those is better is upon you (maybe some 3rd I haven't found), which one is better for subsonic 3.0 is upon your own tests =)

finally, you need to change providerName value in connectionStrings to your choosen provider and pray a lot...

I think it would be sufficient for me, sinners like you needs to try and pray a little harder though

I don't know if PostGreSQL directly supports ADO.NET 2.0 data provider itself, but I found some open-source (free) provider project which I think I can use wich Subsonic:

npgSql
http://pgfoundry.org/projects/npgsql/

so I assume that all that is needed for me is to implement IDataProvider myself, which shouldn't be a nuclear science, and I am free to use SubSonic 3.0 on postgre databases, or not? =D

only other provider that I found was a commercial one from DevArt:
http://www.devart.com/pgsqlnet/

but I see no reason to pay for it (and there's some bad posts on forums about their "knowledge of developing" sqlite provider that Robert Simpson put big effort to) but that is just my oppinion, it might be super-performant ;)

peace bro, it was a joke... but maybe my english hasn't matured for it

thanks for explanation...

the pros, like myself, don't use intellisense at all.
quick look to library is sufficient to know _all_ what is required (sometimes we don't even need Rutz reflector, we guess many things just from the hex view of a dll)

... but it makes sense for you I see ;)

can you elaborate on this (making life difficult)?
I am not a native english speaker but does it mean you don't want us to completely depend on this "extra" stuff?

e.g. to use it just when necessary...

or was it humour? ;)

you...YOU... Y O U !!!

the release is sooner than you've promised.... your last day at Microsoft or what? I see you've even written an epilogue blog entry not to get fired straight away...boss praising and such goodies =)

congratulation to 1st public release of LINQSonic... I am a little dizzled about the provider and whole factory model though...
does it mean I need to get ADO.NET providers myself to support e.g. postgre database?

or will they ship with subsonic?
thanks

was great show!

my first Hanselminutes...I am glad you've been a guest in it Rob, the questions about the usage and competition of Subsonic were hard, but you've stood well in the Battlefield ;)

eagerly awaiting Subsonic 3.0!

the only thing I missed was comparison to LINQ to SQL not from the IQueryable point of view but mostly from the code generator/simple ORM view, and how it differs (will Subsonic 3.0 replace it and so on) as LINQ to SQL is "active record pattern" aswell (not completely but it is more Subsonic than it is NHibernate)

@Hanselman - you're awesome interviewer, it probably goes with the # of the shows you've done, but I like the way you play "stupid" although you are well informed. Good work!

Hi Rob,

for first - thank you so much for your work, it is really unique project on the internet (tutorial + screencast in one).

I just started watching all the episodes and what I REALLY MISS in my learning curve is source code for EVERY episode, not the complete current one.
So I can fire one of many source-comparison tools between episodes and see what is changed, refactored, added etc...

it would serve me (and I think others) in many ways, first I am using Subsonic as a DAL implementation and jumping straight away to the final code with LINQ is too complicated for me.

2nd - if this should serve as a learning process, I would like to start with the "small" portion of code not jump imediately to the one that solves all the complex things on the way.

I may have missed it, so sorry if it is there somewhere...thanks anyway, I am just too busy to look for it so I better write a comment ;)

@Rob
Joe Stagner has a nice post about Flickr MVC app where he mentioned LINQ Extender project. I am just looking at it now what the heck it is ;-) but have you checked it?
http://www.codeplex.com/LinqExtender

Wouldn't it help you to build provider the easier way? At least by looking at the source code?

Good Luck with Subsonic LINQ provider!

this 3 part series has been an enormous research...something I like doing aswell

great work

excellent article that perhaps lacks "active record pattern" explanation and how it differs from the nHibernate "defaults"...

as xml mapping files, have you looked at active writer (suggested by Ayende)?
http://altinoren.com/activewriter/

hopefully fluent nhibernate will grow into what we needed a long time ago (thus there was no C# 3.0 ;-)