DISQUS

You know, the truly sad part is I’ve been at this over a year now, gotten a decent amount of attention all things considered, and yet I read your post and I can’t help but be too giddy with the “I can’t believe Mathew Ingram quoted me” sentiment to effectively argue my point.

That said, with what I can muster I’d say that I know you’re right about the mainstream media and their level of accuracy. But at least they’ve been vetted, trained, and presumably vouched for by a respectable publication of some kind.

I guess what I’m saying is that I’m not suggesting there be a change in Twitter per se. It effectively lets everyone listen to first hand reports which isn't a bad thing. But what I am objecting to is people suggesting it’s equivalent or superior to the mainstream media’s ability to cover news. To me that seems like an endorsement of it's accuracy which, as I tried to point out, isn't great (and despite the MSM's flaws I suspect it's accuracy is a lot better).

P.S. For the record, It's weird talking to someone on your side of this that is also part of the MSM.

Well first, since you can obviously read I’m just going to assume you are intentionally slandering the author of that piece you quoted because he said nothing about murdering a baby. He specifically said "While it is hard not to feel bad for his brutally murdered wife and child, not to mention his wounded daughter, Eddie's suicide itself is the stuff of happy thoughts". So in fact he felt murdering a baby was a tragedy but was happy that the guy who had done so was dead.

On that note, claiming someone was making a joke about murdering a baby when they weren't is really kind of offensive in it's own right.

But back to the piece itself I also didn’t think his comments were all that tactful but that’s why I’m not a hypocrite and you are. The bottom line is that you can’t get offended by a poor attempt at humor and then criticize others for being offended by another poor attempt at humor. Either it’s ok to be offended by people’s bad jokes or it’s not. Period. Because any other stance means you’re demanding everyone be like you (e.g. it’s ok to say something offensive if you aren’t offended but not ok if you are offended)

Oh yes, how could someone be so sensitive over a bad attempt at humor: http://profy.com/2008/07/26/misuse-of-social-me...

Yeah, I have to vote with the seeming majority here. I understand it's an attempt at humor and I get that humor can sometimes miss the mark. That said, this comes across as pretty low class. There's a difference between jokingly poking fun at someone and flat out saying you think they're bad people.

The line is clearly pretty thin but this seemed like an attack to me and I'm pretty liberal in this area

I think Mr Hawk's omissions in his first post show he was willing to portray the situation dishonestly to make his point. Lets look at what he originally posted...

Blint told me that "he did not care" and that he needed to "protect" his employees -- employees that might appear in my photographs. I was not shooting with a tripod. I was not shooting with a flash. I was being quiet and respectful of the area and the other patrons.

Now lets look at his correction (after being called on his initial omission)

One allegation that has been raised is that Blint threw me out because he felt that I was shooting down a low cut blouse of one of his employees sitting in the atrium below where I was shooting. The photo above is a photo that I snapped of Blint as he was publicly admonishing me from the floor, that's him with his arms crossed there -- he's about the size of an ant in the photo. As you will see, the female employee in question also appears in the photograph (the ticket taker next to Blint). She is not wearing a low cut blouse. In fact she's wearing some sort of a yellowish/orangish sweater or jacket sort of thing -- she's sort of hard to see as a 14mm lens makes people look super far away. Her arms, shoulders, in fact every visible area of her except her hands are completely covered in clothing.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think Mr. Blint over reacted. Had he kept his calm this might not have turned into a thing. Mr. Hawk claims not to have been taking pictures of the employee in question and says he offered to let Mr. Blint review the photos which is probably what Mr Blint should have done

But that said, Mr. Blint thought he caught someone trying to take elicit pictures of one of his female staff and it seems to me that he was blinded by anger which is a perfectly understandable position to take. I think this was a big misunderstanding where I suspect tempers flared on both sides (Mr. Hawk claims to have been perfectly calm but his post on the subject suggests he wasn't)

Had Mr. Hawk been completely honest in his original post I think most would have seen it as the misunderstanding it was.

So let me see if I've got this straight... He basically stopped doing his blog (Which people visit anonymously) and switched to a communication system that requires registration. But he framed it as "I'm quitting blogging because the blogosphere is messed up" so now everyone's up in arms about the death of blogging and no one is paying attention to the fact that he's building a massive mailing list that he can use to promote whatever he wants.

That Calacanis, still the king!

Just to reiterate what has been said many times over at this point I think you’re a tad too rigid.
My Dad was an actor and so I grew up around theatre folk and being that most productions have people of all ages and it was common to go out after each show there were friendships that developed between people of every age. Nothing weird about it.

It’s all about life experience really. I’m a 28 year old guy who is single and while I’d like to think we’d get along fine if I ever met you I suspect you’d have a lot more in common with a 20 year old if that 20 year old was married and just had twins.

The truth is, imho, you can learn something from anyone and life is too short to pass up the chance to gain that knowledge because you’re afraid of what other people might think.

Well first let me just say that I happen to work in not only an agency, but an entire industry that completely disagrees with me politically and I do so without problem. There are certain types of people who like to talk about politics but for everyone else it’s a complete non-issue. People in the fashion industry may hold very strong political positions but I’ve never once been at a party and had that topic come up in that circle (with the possible exception of Gay marriage but the discussion in that case was on a micro level not a macro one)

Beyond that I think you make the same mistake I was accusing Fred Wilson of making which is you assume your experience with people equates to all people and it couldn’t be less true. No matter how many people in their 20s you talk to they are all people related to your portion of society. There are social levels in the world and they determine who you interact with. I grew up around guys who worked construction but in my life now I haven’t talked to a construction worker in ages. Because construction workers don’t do the things I do, they don’t hang out in the places I hang out and they don’t talk about the things I talk about.

Your example makes that point better than I ever could. You’ve taken your very rare experience (working in an industry that is “blog friendly”) and applied it to the rest of the world. A lot of industries aren’t like that and in fact a lot of industries commonly consult lawyers and marketing firms who frown on open public expression. If a 35 year old School Teacher came to you and said “I live paycheck to paycheck, I have two kids and I’m thinking about starting a blog about teaching” would you advise he do so? I wouldn’t. Because all it takes is a few angry parents to read that blog and make a big enough fuss. Then you have a Principal who is weighing that fuss (and his job) against the job of one teacher and decides to fire the guy/girl. You might have 25 job offers lined up but the 35 year old teacher with 2 kids probably doesn’t.
That kind of thing happens all the time. Not everyone respects “well thought out essays” and a lot of people are reactionaries.

Larry Summers was the President of Harvard and he lost his job for putting forth a hypothesis based on scientific research. He suggested that innate differences between men and women MIGHT be ONE reason why fewer women are in math and science careers. Not as his opinion but based on conclusions that were backed up by research that was being discussed in a meeting where the goal was to find a way to get more women into math and sciences. If the President of Harvard can be pushed out of his job for giving his opinion as a world renowned economist than anyone can pay the price for putting their opinion out in public.

...wow, that turned out to be pretty long...

I think I agree with your overall point that Facebook and other recent social entries are doing a better job of pulling your real life online rather than just creating another one with total strangers in place of your friends. But as my post above indicated (which you quoted, thanks for the link!) I think there’s a danger to that for some.

I think the thing you notice about all those myspace pages by the, to use your term, “show-off inner city teens” is that they are all people with little to know responsibility. So yea, the 40 year old Musician/Waiter will have a MySpace page and he doesn’t have 2 nickels to rub together but I think that’s the exception. That group will embrace anything that’s free.

The issue I was more pointing to were the people from their late 20s on who actually hold down professional jobs and, at this point, haven’t embraced social networking much at all. That’s where I think fear of repercussions play a part.

Take Politics for instance. I have a friend who moved here (Southern California) from Wyoming to be a fashion designer. When he’d go for job interviews he’d put his Myspace profile on his resume (because he had pictures of designs there). After his second interview one of the people involved in the process pulled him aside and told him he’d be wise to remove the fact that he was Republican from his profile if he ever wanted to get a job in fashion. He did and sure enough he got hired on the very next interview.

Now that’s anecdotal for sure but it shows you how an online presence can have an impact on your professional presence and how that in turn can put your career in danger. If I were in my 30s with a family I know I wouldn’t risk it just to have a Facebook profile. For Social Networking to really take off there are going to have to develop much better controls on it. Not just for professional contacts but for different social spheres such as your Mother and your Best Friend (almost no one wants their mother and their best friend to get the same updates)

I think it’s a much trickier problem than anyone fully grasps at this point.

I said>He treats “having passionate users” and “having a rock solid architecture” as an either/or proposition and it’s not.

Scoble said>I didn’t say it’s an either/or proposition, but for many small startups you have to choose where to focus your energies. On building something new that people take to, or building an architecture that can withstand every possible situation? Grazr’s CTO said he spent too much time focusing on the architecture and not enough building a service that people loved.

I Now Say>But see, that's my point. more resources doesn't make a better product if you're completely on the wrong track. To say it does would be like saying running will get you to your destination faster when you're headed in the complete opposite direction. The issues you outlined with Grazr wouldn't be helped by more technical resources.

Name – Technical Resources won't help

Solves a non-existant problem – Technical Resources won't help

Confusing UI – Technical Resources might help but people who make confusing interfaces tend to make them more confusing as they spend more time on them

Focus on A-List Blogs – Technical Resources won't help

Cold Language– Technical Resources won't help

Nothing moving on Grazr – endemic of all of the above so Technical Resources won't help

So you see, you are refuting what he said. He's saying he should have spent more resources on building a service that people love and less on scale and that, if he had, they'd be successful. Well your above points show he's wrong and that isn't the case. This in turn refutes his original point.

More important, for me anyway, is why I feel you don't see this which is that you are so engrained in your own philosophy (on scaling) that even when your own logic refutes it you can't see that. He said something that "sounded" true to you so you think he's right without subjecting it to scrutiny. When it is subjected to scrutiny it doesn't hold up.

What in the name of all that is holy is wrong with you? This post makes no sense.

First, that comment is idiotic. He treats “having passionate users” and “having a rock solid architecture” as an either/or proposition and it’s not. I have no problem with Twitter getting out the door early to increase their chances of adoption, that’s not the point of criticism here. The point of criticism is the fact that they’ve been around for 2 years and received $20 million in funding and they still didn’t fix their architecture.

Second, you say this is the “best comment” on the situation but then you spend a whole post refuting it. MikePK is suggesting that Grazr failed because they spent too many resources on their infrastructure. You then make a whole post on problems that Grazr has that have nothing to do with resources. You’re basically saying Grazr is a lame product idea and no amount of resources is going to fix that. A statement that refutes the comment you are quoting.

Honestly…sorry to get so annoyed but sometimes I wonder what you’re thinking when you post these things.

I just wanted to put in another "Everyone should read Nick Halstead’s comment" vote. Honestly, there are many things I admire about Scoble (getting the obligatory compliment before the insult out of the way) but this post is just ridiculous from at technical perspective.

As far as “charging super users” goes it isn’t really worth arguing because its going to be different for every service.

This is why you need a business model. To determine which ways of making money will be most effective and execute on them. Charging super users will be right in some cases while being wrong in others (depending on how much value the company in question can put into the “charged” scenario)

@Mark Ashton - If the Developer is willing to write a gazillion different applications for each different platform. Otherwise you'll roam alone.

I think those unimpressed (me for one) are getting it, we just don't think its that special.

@mike jones - YES! Without seeing the actual implementation I'm not sure if I'd choose a gmail server over an Exchange server. In the end they both do essentially the same thing so there isn't much Google can offer.

But I have dozens of employees who don't need a whole office suite just so they can write simple Word files. I don't think Google realizes how much they are asking of people to put corporate data "in the cloud" without an iron clad user agreement protecting that data.

If I could have Google Docs on my network locally I'd jump in a second. Gmail on the other hand doesn't excite me all that much.

btw - Yes I've considered Zoho but I'm sorry to say I don't have enough faith in the company's survival (and yes, I know that is a prophecy I'm helping to bring about by feeling that way but I'm not going to put my companies future on the line so I can do the right thing for Zoho)

I checked out FriendFeed during the whole “lets all crucify Duncan Riley” week. It’s interesting but I think, if anything, it’s a replacement for Facebook. Facebook’s news page is next to useless at this point with stupid stuff pushing anything interesting out the door way too quickly. FriendFeed is the Facebook Newsfeed without all the stupid games that really don’t say anything about a person.

The biggest problem I see with Friendfeed is that it doesn’t differentiate enough yet. Your link blog posts are only interesting to a fraction of the people who are interested in posts by you. To just throw them all into a river is kind of awkward.

As for Techmeme I really don’t see the comparison from my perspective. Techmeme is an opinion gauge to me. I don’t really care to follow most of the Techmeme sites but when an event happens I’m interested in their take. So to me Techmeme is the polar opposite of friendfeed in that it acts as a gatekeeper for me.

For the last few commenters, there are plenty of cell. phones that run Flash Lite just fine with processors slower than the iPhone.

@Gerald - I thought Apple video (like the trailers on their web site) specifically played in Quicktime only. I could be wrong here but I remember being told by someone that RealPlayer couldn't play those videos even though it supports H.264. Something about the .mov container

(I just did a quick Google search and couldn't find

Could be wrong though so a big grain of salt there...

@Bob - The fact that you think that article is "research" is just kind of sad. That article is essentially Applle PR.

The fact that the article takes pages to even get to Flash lite should prove just how Apple biased it is.

When it does get to its point the article basically says "Apple won't support Flash Lite because its got Cocoa which is better anyway"

That's like Microsoft saying it isn't going to support Javascript because Silverlight is better anyway. Its stupid, APIs aren't exclusive and the only people who would accept an argument otherwise is the Mac faithful.

I think there were multiple reasons for this move most of which have been discussed above (applications, performance, etc…). But I’m surprised by the reason that’s being left out and which is Quicktime.

To put video on the iPhone you need to use Quicktime. That forces web developers to use Quicktime if they want a chance with all those iPhone users (soon to be 10 million of anaylsis is to be believed). So if you’re a web developer you’re looking at two facts:

1. You have to support Quicktime for the iPhone
2. Every PC and/or Mac user has both Flash and Quicktime at this point

Given those two facts wouldn’t it make sense to drop your Flash video in favor of Quicktime?

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think you’ll see developers leaving Flash based video right away but the idea is there. Jobs has created a situation where Quicktime is bootstrapped to the iPhone’s success. The more iPhones that are sold, the more compelling Quicktime looks and the more ground Flash loses.

There’s a lot of advantage in controlling the de factor video standard on the web and I doubt that’s something that’s escaped Steve Jobs.

I suspect Microsoft greased the wheels here by offering to do most of the development but even without that I don’t find this shocking.

From Nokia’s perspective I think Apple is a big threat to them and Android has the potential to be just as bad. Since Apple and Google seem to be in bed together Nokia’s best move is to reach out to the other major player as a stop gap (the enemy of my enemy is my friend). That's how you get this alliance.

What I find interesting about this is that Adobe now becomes the wildcard. They can support both sides or tip the scale one way or the other. If there’s one thing I’ve learned about the tech industry it’s that there are very few secrets. Adobe had to know about this and the Google Gears announcement well in advance and they almost certainly have a mobile strategy of their own mapped out.

@James(14): http://dev.aol.com/blog/bricemason/adobe-air-xd...

Well…first let’s not forget that there already IS an off line version of Silverlight and it’s called the Windows Presentation Framework (Silverlight was conceived of as an online version of WPF). For Microsoft to embrace offline technology in Silverlight they’d have to be willing to deal a deathblow to WPF and I don’t think they are ready to do that.

In fact, up until now Microsoft has resisted cross-platform technology which is AIR’s biggest benefit Note there is no MS based .net framework for any platform other than Windows (*cough*innovators dilemma*cough*).

I guess what I’m trying to say is that Adobe Air is a game changer and Microsoft still doesn’t appear ready to change the game. Until Microsoft can bring themselves to endanger the Windows Platform I doubt they’ll go anywhere near technology like AIR.

I'd just like to say in advance that the caps in this post are for emphasis and not out of anger, just so you know.

Carsten, don't be sorry, you just proved my point better than I ever could.

First, let me say that I know there are good people involved in these organizations. That was not my point. My point was that the corporate members are using them for PR despite the good intentions of their founders. Second, I will admit, I should have said "full OpenID support" instead of just "OpenID Support". But I consider the terms interchangeable. If you're going to support a standard you support it fully or there's very little point.

On to my main point…

To say they're providers so that means they support the initiative is naïve. OF COURSE THEY'RE WILLNG TO BE PROVIDERS. That extends their lock-in. You might as well be pushing Microsoft Passport if all they're willing to do is be a provider. Google IS willing to be a relying party, but only on blogger their half-dead hasn't been relevant for years blogging service.

Bottom line: The second I can log in to a Gmail account with an OpenID we'll talk but right now I'm not impressed.

THAT is my whole point. When I said this…

"The saddest part about all this is that it works. OpenID supporters will pat themselves on the back confident that they've beaten the big companies and then go on their way. The big companies will continue to attend meetings that go no where until OpenID has fallen so far behind proprietary technology that it's pointless to discuss and then it will be forgotten. It's all just a trick and not even a clever tricky at that."

You are EXACTLY what I meant by that. EXACTLY! You've really gained nothing and in fact made their proprietary system stronger but you are so convinced they support you that you can't see it. So now all they have to do is never become a relying party and let OpenID fade into the background and they've gotten exactly what they wanted in the first place…for OpenID to go away.

P.S. There are probably tons of typos in the above post so you'll have to forgive me for that but I'm posting from the passanger seat of my car via VerizonWireless on the way to vacation. Your response inspired me to kick out a hasty post.

I posted about this on my blog in response to the OpenID announcements yesterday. Basically I agree with Jeremy above in that I think these organizations are just strategy for big companies regardless of what founders want it to be.

Here's a cut down version of what I posted (I was talking about OpenID but you can just subsitute Dataportability.org in) ...

(forgive the long comment but I wanted to copy the post here so no one will think I'm trolling for hits)

This has become a trend now where companies join essentially useless organizations so they can claim to support open standards that they have no intention of actually supporting. First there was DataPortability.org and now we have The OpenID Foundation, both organizations that have no real purpose other than to "discuss" and hence are easy for big companies to use as Public Relations tools.

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This will just become an appointment for some lower level employee. He/She will attend a pointless meeting every month and that will be the extent of it because the real goal is to quiet the community who is clamoring for change not actually make a change.

Once the noise dies down OpenID can just fall by the wayside and be forgotten.

The saddest part about all this is that it works. OpenID supporters will pat themselves on the back confident that they've beaten the big companies and then go on their way. The big companies will continue to attend meetings that go no where until OpenID has fallen so far behind proprietary technology that its pointless to discuss and then it will be forgotten. Its all just a trick and not even a clever tricky at that.

Yet people continue to fall for it.

I had never thought of it until I read your post but I wonder if Twitter could make money on the back end by delivering information like pictures and video.

So for example, I take a video of something with my phone (I can’t do that without 3rd party add ons…thank you Apple…but lets pretend). Then I want to send it to friends. If twitter could write themselves a way to accept that type of input they could convert it to a Cell. Phone friendly format and then deliver it in a way that other people’s cell phones could view (placing a small ad at the beginning or end to make money)

It would take a lot of work though but it would be revolutionary if they could make it happen. They are going to have to come up with something else at this point because I just don’t think “ads in everyone’s feed” is going to pay the bills when all is said and done.

Anyway, just a weird thought that occurred to me but with most people having multimedia phones I think it would be interesting if they moved