DISQUS

someone supported him, when he needed supporting


I could swear I saw a thread here on JJP that credited Black voters with being key to Obama's primary win. Since that point was celebrated, I got to straighten this out:



And now, because he's gotten the nomination, we're supposed to just allow his to diss and ditch us?





Yes. For so many reasons, Dixon question about US and what we have become is beyond warranted. It's crucial.

Obama's "the country I love" ad is every bit poll-watchin' as people have suggested. I like his remarks about the Fear & Smear campaign he's up against.


I'm actually laughing my azz off. I think it's brilliant no matter what that sorry azz Black Republican ostrich (a description of her head in the sand "without a shred of evidence" remarks) Tara says.



I mean, one of the stories this week was Cindy vs. Michelle aka "the angry Black woman" behind the man.



In other cable news, I really got a kick out of the brother who said f-ck the script, hardly said a word about Spike Lee and told Laura Ingram how she (as a collective representative of White women) benefited from affirmative action.



In a word... PRICELESS!

I've always found the term odd in the very foreign language kind of way expressed here.


I used to go on boards where there was always one that had their media stereotypes ready and was ready to use "Whitey" as their way to characterize some aspect of what I said. I always asked:



Who the hell is Whitey?





The only person I know with that (nick)name is someone Black.





Tim Wise wrote a piece highlighting the contrast between slur-ers.

Please don't bring up Barack's speech at AIPAC, Leila.


Doing that you force some confused Black people to confront the idea of what a politician is supposed to do when s/he speaks before a constituency: tell them what s/he's going to do for them policy-wise and how strongly s/he stands with them and STHU!!



Notice how Obama doesn't say anything about ANY OTHER GROUP taking "personal responsibility" or ANY OTHER GROUP being "complicit in [their] own condition." No wonder why so many Black people are okay with being disrespected. They don't think they deserve the same respect Obama gives EVERY OTHER GROUP.



Black folks voted from Obama in large numbers and, instead of speaking strongly, in the strongest terms and emphasis about what he, the politician, will do for Black folks he talks about something that's not in his job description as a politician.

What Fox does with Obama's statement is not my issue but I would be remiss if I didn't hold Obama to his own standard justifying the idea that he shouldn't be "providing Fake Noise with fodder that they don't have to make up."


His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate...



That's what he said about Rev. Wright. Now it applies to him with no need to embellish.

I need to put together a YouTube contrasting the coverage of Angry White Women and this bit on Angry Black Women.


I'd do that then Foxworthy it and say, "if you legitimate the anger of one group while viewing the anger of the other in negative terms, you might be a racist."



I mean, the sh*t is so blatant. So blatant Barack himself was privileging Whites, coloring White anger in more favorable terms, while casting Black anger is some type of pathology.



Internalized racism is a mf!

B-Serious,


The problem with all that "regardless of structural inequality" is the tacit acceptance of it. That's the last thing a politician should be floating.



And all this is old news. When was the Million Man March again??



That's right. Don't credit "Black conservatives" for having a focus on manhood/fatherhood and self-help. I don't know why folks act like they don't know what's really going on here.



P6 is about the only person to get close to the real issue of the internalized racism "we" have where we not only think it's acceptable to have the EXTRA BURDEN of "structural inequality" et al but feel not only that it's a noble thing to succeed "IN SPITE OF" it but that "we" should do just that, leaving the "structural inequality" in tact and, worse, that none of us should show no ill effects of it.



But let me reiterate, especially in a "post-racial" era with this "post-racial" campaign, THE LAST THING a politician should ever do is what Obama did.



Again, he didn't do that when he was in front a Native American audience even though he said they were "doing worse" on every indicator. He damn sure didn't do it with respect to White Americans, not even the "bitter" White folks...



No. He painted them as VICTIMS. He made EXCUSES for them and NEVER insisted that they take any "personal responsibility" for their situation. Instead of blaming anything on them, he placed the blame external to poor - working - middle class Whites.



Anger over welfare and affirmative action helped forge the Reagan Coalition. Politicians routinely exploited fears of crime for their own electoral ends. Talk show hosts and conservative commentators built entire careers unmasking bogus claims of racism while dismissing legitimate discussions of racial injustice and inequality as mere political correctness or reverse racism.



Just as black anger often proved counterproductive, so have these white resentments distracted attention from the real culprits of the middle class squeeze - a corporate culture rife with inside dealing, questionable accounting practices, and short-term greed; a Washington dominated by lobbyists and special interests; economic policies that favor the few over the many.



For some reason, Barack Obama has a problem with telling anybody but Black people that they should "squarely face [their] own complicity in [their] condition."

Chaz - "Unlike some I think he has a responsibility as a black man and politician to speak to the community."




Hmmm... I wonder why people aren't saying "he's not running for president of Black America" now. It would be different if he would just as strongly, directly and loudly push issues, policies and programs for African-Americans the same way he likes to chastise. It would also help if he did his Cosby routine in a way Cosby didn't -- i.e. without stereotypes and other assorted bs firmly in hand.





I want to know who the hell he and other are talking about in terms of making "excuses" when there's a consensus that this type of stuff is said every day (or on the regular) in the Black community/church AND why the curious (and most definitely) FALSE DICHOTOMY.



Who the hell has said the reason why Black men aren't being fathers is because of racism? How many dead-beat Black dads said the reason why they have shirked their responsibility is because of racism?



"It's racism, man. If it wasn't for racism, I would be taking care of my kids right now. Because it still exist... I can't."



Who has ever heard some bs like that? Where the hell did Barack hear that sh*t (other than from Bill Cosby or Juan Williams)?



I mean, this simple azz thinking comes from the brother people credited with having such a nuanced view on things Race in America. Hmmm... It must have been too tempting for him to fall right in line and go with the simplistic, stereotype laden STRAW MAN instead.



UNACCEPTABLE!!!!





And DAMN YOU BARACK!!!



"Yes, we need more cops on the street. Yes, we need fewer guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. Yes, we need more money for our schools, and more outstanding teachers in the classroom, and more afterschool programs for our children. Yes, we need more jobs and more job training and more opportunity in our communities. But we also need families to raise our children."



WHY THE DIFFERENCE IN TREATMENT?





How come Black people are the only people who are "encouraged" to take "personal responsibility"? And, worse, this is the same mf who tried to rationalize that "bitter" White sh*t with the idea that "they don't feel particularly privileged."



Somehow, the notion of having to fix a problem that is not (completely) of your own making is something only Black folks are held responsible for. Obama says "those (past) injustices are real" but does NOT account for THE REAL CONSEQUENCES of them. Instead, he regards that nuance as EXCUSES. Typical and UNACCEPTABLE!!!

Craig,


I wonder why people aren't saying "he's not running for president of Black America" now. It would be different if he would just as strongly, directly and loudly push issues, policies and programs for African-Americans the same way he likes to chastise. It would also help if he did his Cosby routine in a way Cosby didn't -- i.e. without stereotypes and other assorted bs firmly in hand.



And please tell me why Obama act like he despises Farrakhan when Obama has his narrow azz all off in the MMM which was all about the topic of his Father's Day message a decade after Farrakhan made Black manhood/fatherhood central the event and community focus?

Ms. Martin? Is that you?


You once had problems with me being critical of Barack. I'm not surprised that you are critical of him now. I'm just surprised you didn't already know he likes to get his Cosby on every now-and-again. And to be clear, this isn't the first time he gave this Father's Day message with the curious barbershop ("men acting like boys") rhetoric:



The contrast between the emphasis in his speech last year and his speech this year does lend credence to the "pandering" idea though.

John McDumbAsaRock might not have "got it" but I sure did. He response was proof that the only thing that was ever wrong with Michelle Obama's "REALLY proud" in White people's eyes was the fact that she is Black.


When a "model minority" speaks, well, they are to be respected (in this case) and their difference in worldview considered legitimate. And the MSM, the instigator of Obama-Wright and then Obama-Pfleger and then Obama-Trinity, definitely didn't cover the story, even one side of it, the way it came out in the Q&A;:



"I’ll admit to you that it’s tough..."



Oh, really?

Obama needs to take his @$$ to a White church or community event and wax paternalistic and push that personal responsibility rhetoric in the same way he tried play moral equivalence in his race speech. That Mini-Me Cosby sh*t (and his personal issues) is getting old.

Poor Karmi.


Still making those NON-POINTS, I see. lmao





The way "white folks" have acted during this election justifies whatever you think Obama "really thinks" of his beloved "white folks (that you can't effectively illustrate). You antics included.

In the video, D... Obama talks about going to Houston weeks after Katrina.


Obama's record and his demonstrated concern via his visit(s) to the region are most definitely relevant to discussion. Being stupid (and uniformed) you asked: did Obama go?

I will piggyback this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5KJFfrMB3M





With this empty rhetoric from Bush:



"Within the Gulf region are some of the most beautiful and historic places in America. As all of us saw on television, there's also some deep, persistent poverty in this region, as well. That poverty has roots in a history of racial discrimination, which cut off generations from the opportunity of America. We have a duty to confront this poverty with bold action. So let us restore all that we have cherished from yesterday, and let us rise above the legacy of inequality."





Yeah, the "conservative message" and Republican record, even post Katrina, reflects "BOLD ACTION" on the issue of RACIAL INEQUALITY and the poverty that results from it.





Yes, my work is done here.

Obama's record on Katrina, per Sagereader:


More than 20 entries for legislation and speeches from Sept 2005 to Feb 2008.





S and D? Is my work done here?

The bogus poster posting bogus posts quoted:


The question is: Upon which scalepan does Barack Obama place the greatest emphasis when weighing America?





Hmmm... Let's see. When you actually look at what Barack Obama places emphasis on the idiotic question becomes moot.



Judge Obama by the content of his character and message and not by the colour of his friends/associates, etc.



That is unless Karmi and those he quotes are championing Black Separatism. Black folks have "associated" and stayed with the U.S. through a whole lot of bs. Unless Karmi & Co. are suggesting that African-Americans should DENOUNCE and REJECT America in total then they can choke on that racialized fear and STFU.

rikyrah,


I'm saying her "strong" statement wasn't that strong and was hardly different from Obama's own statement insisting, first, that she was a friend to Israel and he certainly didn't push that she had a problem with Jews.

First, Clinton is only suspending her campaign (which means she can resume it at a later date) which was what some noted she could have done before the assassination gaffe.


Second, what's with all this spin that HRC did Obama a favor at AIPAC? Chris Matthews wanted to spin it like that so bad but the video clips of Obama's and Clinton's speeches defied his attempt to say Clinton went first and vouched for Obama.



I'm trying to see why that was even necessary when the AIPAC member who introduced him made strong statement that Obama was a friend of Israel and said it more than once. That's one thing the media and Clintonites alike spun out of the story.



They also pretended like Obama's still more gracious and generous recognition of Clinton wasn't just that: much more generous and gracious yet no one said Obama was vouching for her.

"He knows better" can be said of our beloved brother, Barack Obama. So don't get it twisted.


And funny how this observation about Rice isn't reduced to a question of her blackness or equating the disappointment with her not acting like she "gets it" at times of controversy with wanting her to throw up the Black Power fist.

S is voting for John "The Maverick" McCain and, I presume, voted for Bush under the same false pretense.


In other words...

Limited Government your azz!!!





But go ahead, prostitute principles for party, talking points for points of honesty and reality based decisions.

THE BLACK MONOLITH by S, the deaf conservative:




(()) Until black people CHOOSE party affiliation based on their INDIVIDUAL reasons and impulses



(()) As long as black voters continue to buy into that, many will have to lead a 'political double life.'



(()) Black voters have a choice and they choose not to exercise it.





Why, S, you seem to speak as if Black voters are a monolith.

nquest,
You seem to speak of the concerns of blacks in monolithic terms.



S, you ARE a stupid mf scramblin', trying to find a point like a starved squirrel trying to find a nut. What that you say?



Monolith??



You're the "your party" mf who throws that sh*t out like the old standard "you people." So stop trying to project your f-ck ups on me.



How the hell you're going to try to pin some "monolith" stuff on me when I stated how I guess you're not a BOOKERISTA?



BOOKERISTA = people who are, per the Booker Rising blog, "black moderates and black conservatives."



I also mentioned Black Republicans Lynn Swann and Wayne Perryman, the author of the book Unfounded Loyalty: An In-Depth Look Into The Love Affair Between Blacks and Democrats.



Those things and the very explicit fact that I used the phrase "THE BLACK POLITICAL CONSENSUS" makes your statement fraudulent and questions like this:



Do all black people have the same political priorities?



Utterly STUPID and baseless! S, you are the dullest knife.





Goodbye.

In other words, poor Karmi, has TAPPED OUT and won't dare try to defend his bs argument that the Black Liberation Theology of Wright and Cone amounts to the same kind of "hatred" via racism/prejudice espoused/practiced by White Supremacists (you know, those people who feel like they should rule over non-White people in this society) and the KKK (known for ACTIONS, ACTIONS, ACTIONS the followed their words).




Of course, Karmi's concession and desire not to carry on with that indefensible dumbsh*t was only a matter of time.



______________________



PS:



I'll help you find distractions or anything else you want to change the subject, Karmi. All you had to do was ask.

Do you believe that only the federal government can adequately address social injustice?


Do you believe in asking a question that makes sense? Apparently not.



What did I say about social (in)justice? If you can't engage what I say don't talk to me.



IS THAT CLEAR??





Being socially conservative is not mutually exclusive of the [important] social justice, economic and equality issues... and the desire for the same tool (government) that caused group disadvantaged to be used in remedying it.



Let me say that again:

the desire for the same tool (government) that caused group disadvantaged to be used in remedying it



That's one of them RESPONSIBILITY things, a message conservatives like to talk about, right?



Okay. So what's the problem?





((((I can see why you are a Democrat.))))



Who said I was a Democrat?





(((IMO, the Democrat party has been in charge of social constructivism since FDR.)))



STFU!! I didn't ask you about your opinion of the Democratic party and you must be suffering from hearing loss too.



Talking about what the Democrats did that you don't like when they shared government with Republicans doesn't strength an argument against them or for the Republicans. It is a two-party system and they are both complicit in it all... just like the Iraq war.



What part of:

F-ck a Democrat and MuthaF*CK a Gottdamn Republican don't you understand?



This is a 3 dimensional world, S. Why are you so 2 dimensional and can't function without your partisan bias.





(((This resentment is on display within your own party.)))



My party? Which party is that? Signify it be quoting where I declared which party I was a card carrying member of or STFU!!!



Got to democraticunderground with that bs.