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1 month ago
in iPhone vs Palm Pre: Why Apple Shouldn’t Worry on BestTechie.net
"10% of smartphone sales."
Indeed but they were aiming for 1% of phones sales - they are now at 2% so not very good at forecasting really.
I am interested in your "conversion" Matt. The people I know who have switched have done so firstly because the new machines allow people to run Windows in either emulation mode or completely through Boot Camp. Ironically I have found it odd for several reasons.
Firstly after about 3 months they have found Mac software that can replace the stuff they were dependent on in Windows. For the few that remain stuff like Crossover allows them to run the essential apps that they run in WIndows.
Secondly they are the most vociferous OSX users, obviously you don't fall into this category, but I am just reporting what has occurred to the people who have switched that I know.
So the question I am asking is are you a Windows user who is "putting up" with being on a Mac or are you interested in using the Mac for it's own sake?
The main issue I see with the Palm is that does it do what it says on the tin? I mean there are lots of videos out there of it being used but nothing as of yet by real people, not by marketeers. I want to see what the Palm is like in real world example. Remember the Storm? How it was going to be the "iPhone Killer"? The videos looked fantastic. Unfortunately when it hit people realized how bad it actually was.
These days Palm is being credited for "sticking it to Apple". Problem is that they seem to have generated a list of things that the iPhone doesn't do and ticked all the boxes that Apple didn't hit. The problem as I see it is that this is tick box marketing. After all, Windows Mobile, on paper, has a spec that far exceeds the iPhone but the problem actually occurs when people come to use it. It doesn't "work". I mean it "works" but the issue is that if you don't have geek credentials it makes it very hard to actually achieve anything.
The palm WebOS emulators look fantastic again, but you are emulating what it is going to do. This leads to two misconceptions. Firstly will it actually work on the processor in the box as it does in the emulator? Secondly you are running this on a desktop machine, how does it work on the battery device you are going to be running it on?
The Jury is still out. But I think not having copy and paste is the least of the reasons for not buying an iPhone.
Indeed but they were aiming for 1% of phones sales - they are now at 2% so not very good at forecasting really.
I am interested in your "conversion" Matt. The people I know who have switched have done so firstly because the new machines allow people to run Windows in either emulation mode or completely through Boot Camp. Ironically I have found it odd for several reasons.
Firstly after about 3 months they have found Mac software that can replace the stuff they were dependent on in Windows. For the few that remain stuff like Crossover allows them to run the essential apps that they run in WIndows.
Secondly they are the most vociferous OSX users, obviously you don't fall into this category, but I am just reporting what has occurred to the people who have switched that I know.
So the question I am asking is are you a Windows user who is "putting up" with being on a Mac or are you interested in using the Mac for it's own sake?
The main issue I see with the Palm is that does it do what it says on the tin? I mean there are lots of videos out there of it being used but nothing as of yet by real people, not by marketeers. I want to see what the Palm is like in real world example. Remember the Storm? How it was going to be the "iPhone Killer"? The videos looked fantastic. Unfortunately when it hit people realized how bad it actually was.
These days Palm is being credited for "sticking it to Apple". Problem is that they seem to have generated a list of things that the iPhone doesn't do and ticked all the boxes that Apple didn't hit. The problem as I see it is that this is tick box marketing. After all, Windows Mobile, on paper, has a spec that far exceeds the iPhone but the problem actually occurs when people come to use it. It doesn't "work". I mean it "works" but the issue is that if you don't have geek credentials it makes it very hard to actually achieve anything.
The palm WebOS emulators look fantastic again, but you are emulating what it is going to do. This leads to two misconceptions. Firstly will it actually work on the processor in the box as it does in the emulator? Secondly you are running this on a desktop machine, how does it work on the battery device you are going to be running it on?
The Jury is still out. But I think not having copy and paste is the least of the reasons for not buying an iPhone.
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besttechie
I plan to compare the devices on features and functionality, however, I don’t want to do that until both devices (assuming a new iPhone is coming out) are available. I think that’s rather fair. Nonetheless, even with the contracts with other carriers (which may or may not provide equivalent or better service) numbers are numbers. Overall, the Pre will not be available to as many people as the iPhone currently is (at least under Sprint alone). I think it’s also worth noting that Sprint has continued to lose customers (and money) while AT&T; is growing its customers base and increasing revenues.
That being said if Palm does put its phones (including the Pre as well as the future devices) on other networks (which would definitely be a good idea) then perhaps they will have a better chance on really competing with the iPhone.
That being said if Palm does put its phones (including the Pre as well as the future devices) on other networks (which would definitely be a good idea) then perhaps they will have a better chance on really competing with the iPhone.
1 month ago
in iPhone vs Palm Pre: Why Apple Shouldn’t Worry on BestTechie.net
Well here is the issue.
If the iPhone was so "crap" (not having copy and paste) why did it sell? Put it this way, 20 million customers appear to be able to do without it. This is because a lot of the things you would do with cut and paste were built into the os - want to send a mate a link to a web page? Just press the plus and click the "mail link to this page button". It is all moot anyway as 3.0 has cut, copy, paste built in. But I am sure a person like you will find numerous other reasons not to get one.
Tool versus toy argument is going to fail soon too. As the newly opened up bluetooth / dock connection integration is going to make the iPhone / iPod Touch a general controller for a lot of serious applications.
The pre apps are very similar to the original web based apps that the iPhone ran from OS 1. Here they are a "fantastic" solution on the iPhone everyone said "this will never work".
If the iPhone was so "crap" (not having copy and paste) why did it sell? Put it this way, 20 million customers appear to be able to do without it. This is because a lot of the things you would do with cut and paste were built into the os - want to send a mate a link to a web page? Just press the plus and click the "mail link to this page button". It is all moot anyway as 3.0 has cut, copy, paste built in. But I am sure a person like you will find numerous other reasons not to get one.
Tool versus toy argument is going to fail soon too. As the newly opened up bluetooth / dock connection integration is going to make the iPhone / iPod Touch a general controller for a lot of serious applications.
The pre apps are very similar to the original web based apps that the iPhone ran from OS 1. Here they are a "fantastic" solution on the iPhone everyone said "this will never work".
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Matt
I never said the iPhone was "crap" so I am not sure why you quoted that. With that said it should be brought up that Apple only makes up 10% of smartphone sales.
My plan has always been to get an iPhone once it could do copy and paste. For me to be productive the way I need to be with the iPhone it has to support copy and paste. Not having copy and paste would require I retype a lot of information to do my tasks that would help me money and therefore is not worth the $30.00 a month extra.
I have been using Apple computers exclusively for the last 6 years and it is only logical for me to get an iPhone if it can help my my life easier.
My point, to the author, was that his logic that Palm would fail because they are releasing on the Sprint network was flawed for multiple reasons. The biggest being the fact that Palm will have multiple phones coming out using WebOS on all the carriers.
My plan has always been to get an iPhone once it could do copy and paste. For me to be productive the way I need to be with the iPhone it has to support copy and paste. Not having copy and paste would require I retype a lot of information to do my tasks that would help me money and therefore is not worth the $30.00 a month extra.
I have been using Apple computers exclusively for the last 6 years and it is only logical for me to get an iPhone if it can help my my life easier.
My point, to the author, was that his logic that Palm would fail because they are releasing on the Sprint network was flawed for multiple reasons. The biggest being the fact that Palm will have multiple phones coming out using WebOS on all the carriers.
1 month ago
in iPhone vs Palm Pre: Why Apple Shouldn’t Worry on BestTechie.net
I have noticed that all the people who want to criticize Apple these days on blogs often start with "I could be considered and Apple fanboi but..."
Seems the message is if you are going to criticize Apple you must SOUND like you are a fan first and so people will believe you when you say Apple are crap. I think I preferred it when the anti fans and the astroturfers actually said what they actually thought without having to pre qualify it with this sort of rubbish.
To the astroturfers: yes we know you have to stay on message but guys try and keep away from this meme.
Seems the message is if you are going to criticize Apple you must SOUND like you are a fan first and so people will believe you when you say Apple are crap. I think I preferred it when the anti fans and the astroturfers actually said what they actually thought without having to pre qualify it with this sort of rubbish.
To the astroturfers: yes we know you have to stay on message but guys try and keep away from this meme.
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Chingon
No, you just don't get it, we are telling the truth, but you might never get it, I never said Apple was crap, so please, go and troll some where else!
1 year ago
in iPhone, its crappy camera, and a quick comparison with the LG KU990 Viewty on Technovia
Based on a quick search the phone you mention is twice the price of the iphone..
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ianbetteridge
In the UK, like most phones of its ilk, it's free.
1 year ago
in At last! A serious flaw in Apple's iPhone SDK launch! on Surrounded by idiots
I think this was pretty well covered in the launch... I think if you were paying attention then the SDK is currently in BETA and therefore not that many people who HAVE applied have actually achieved status of developer.
Anyone can download the SDK and can develop stuff using the iphone emulator that comes with the dev kit.
Apart from which if you wanted to moan about the SDK there were other, lower hanging fruit, you could have picked on. Once it is out of Beta this ain't gonna be an issue.
Anyone can download the SDK and can develop stuff using the iphone emulator that comes with the dev kit.
Apart from which if you wanted to moan about the SDK there were other, lower hanging fruit, you could have picked on. Once it is out of Beta this ain't gonna be an issue.
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alan jones
I didn't want to moan about the SDK! I didn't! I made it this far past the launch with nothing but praise for it.
My blog post is reporting and commenting on someone else's blog post critical of the SDK.
However, it seems like the SDK program addresses all of his concerns except the strange insistence that developers be US-resident.
So I'm fully digging the SDK. Me and the SDK could not be closer. Me and the SDK are like this [picture me crossing one finger over another. I'm the finger on the bottom. Jobs is the finger on the top.]
My blog post is reporting and commenting on someone else's blog post critical of the SDK.
However, it seems like the SDK program addresses all of his concerns except the strange insistence that developers be US-resident.
So I'm fully digging the SDK. Me and the SDK could not be closer. Me and the SDK are like this [picture me crossing one finger over another. I'm the finger on the bottom. Jobs is the finger on the top.]
1 year ago
in Craig Hockenberry on the iPhone battery life issue on Technovia
I'll bite.
I didn't imply that you were in the pay of anyone - and I have been reading both this blog and the old version for quite some time.
What I was objecting to was that you had taken what I read as a fair and balanced coverage of programming for the iPhone by someone who actually knows what he is talking about and cherry picked a headline for hits.
What he did say was...
"Twitterrific on the iPhone could definitely make use of a background process to gather new tweets. In fact, a prototype version of the software did just that. And it was a huge design failure: after doing XML queries every 5 minutes, the phone’s battery was almost dead after 4 hours. In fact, the first thing I said after giving Gruber this test version was “don’t use auto-refresh."
I am pretty sure that he meant it was a design failure with his software and not the iPhone as he goes on to say:
"Some have stated that Apple is limiting innovation. My opinion is that they are helping us from collectively shooting ourselves in the feet."
I didn't imply that you were in the pay of anyone - and I have been reading both this blog and the old version for quite some time.
What I was objecting to was that you had taken what I read as a fair and balanced coverage of programming for the iPhone by someone who actually knows what he is talking about and cherry picked a headline for hits.
What he did say was...
"Twitterrific on the iPhone could definitely make use of a background process to gather new tweets. In fact, a prototype version of the software did just that. And it was a huge design failure: after doing XML queries every 5 minutes, the phone’s battery was almost dead after 4 hours. In fact, the first thing I said after giving Gruber this test version was “don’t use auto-refresh."
I am pretty sure that he meant it was a design failure with his software and not the iPhone as he goes on to say:
"Some have stated that Apple is limiting innovation. My opinion is that they are helping us from collectively shooting ourselves in the feet."
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ianbetteridge
I thought I was the one that bit - for which I apologise :)
The way that I read that is that the SDK is compensating for the hardware's lack of battery power. A background process pinging a server every five minutes is not bad software design - it's something that could be done on other smartphones without reducing the battery life that much.
(One example of this is the Jaiku app on S60, which i a real power drainer as it's pinging for both location and presence updates frequently. It sucks battery power - but you'll still get a day's charge on an N73)
The way that I read that is that the SDK is compensating for the hardware's lack of battery power. A background process pinging a server every five minutes is not bad software design - it's something that could be done on other smartphones without reducing the battery life that much.
(One example of this is the Jaiku app on S60, which i a real power drainer as it's pinging for both location and presence updates frequently. It sucks battery power - but you'll still get a day's charge on an N73)
1 year ago
in Craig Hockenberry on the iPhone battery life issue on Technovia
Ian,
Congratulations for spinning a really positive article about the functionality of the iPhone / iPod Touch into the usual FUD FUD FUD from the companies who really wish that the iPhone didn't exist. He does actually explain in the article if you didn't cherry pick that you can pretty much achieve the same things by following Apple's guidelines...
Congratulations for spinning a really positive article about the functionality of the iPhone / iPod Touch into the usual FUD FUD FUD from the companies who really wish that the iPhone didn't exist. He does actually explain in the article if you didn't cherry pick that you can pretty much achieve the same things by following Apple's guidelines...
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ianbetteridge
Uh huh, yes, of course, I'm in the pay of Microsoft. How could you see through my thin guise!
Of course, the fact that I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro, which is currently also syncing my iPhone, and that I've owned at least one of just about every model iPod is just a cover.
Far from explaining how it's all fine and dandy, and how you can "achieve the same things using Apple guidelines", Craig states that this is an issue: that's why he says "I think Apple will address this issue in the future." Please quote exactly where he says it's not an issue. I'll be waiting for your call.
Of course, the fact that I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro, which is currently also syncing my iPhone, and that I've owned at least one of just about every model iPod is just a cover.
Far from explaining how it's all fine and dandy, and how you can "achieve the same things using Apple guidelines", Craig states that this is an issue: that's why he says "I think Apple will address this issue in the future." Please quote exactly where he says it's not an issue. I'll be waiting for your call.
I decided that OS X was the best choice around 2003 because it ran on *nix and could do everything I need. I am a web based application developer and everything I write ends up running on linux servers so it only makes sense to write it on a Mac.
With that said I have converted my family (parents and sisters) to OS X from Windows because I was sick of getting support phone calls weekly. Initially right after the move they called with questions but within a month the questions went from being weekly to monthly and at this point I have not had a tech support question in over 6 months (well I did have one but it was an email account being full and not an actual operating system/computer question).
Now as for the iPhone killer. I don't think the iPhone will ever go away. I think Apple is limiting itself a little bit by staying on one network and having only one device. I think Palm is going in the right direction by having multiple phones and putting them on all networks.
When push comes to shove we will never have everyone in the world using the same phone. I find it hard to believe that even 25% of people in the world would use the same phone. I think there is more than enough room in the market for the iPhone, the BlackBerry's, the Palm's, etc.
Realize that the iPhone is completely different than the Palm Pre.
1. The Palm Pre (WebOS) currently only supports applications as web pages. This means any application has to be written in html and javascript. This means you cannot have any video games on it currently (although technically it should support flash down the road so you could write a flash game).
So right there if you want a true application you have to stick with the iPhone. At least for now.
2. The Palm Pre has a physical keyboard. This alone could make it or break it for either device. I think the fact that you can turn the iPhone sideways and use the virtual keyboard that way is great, you cannot do that with the Pre. At the same time there is no physical keyboard on the iPhone.
So I think there is more than enough room for both devices.
The issue I have been replying to from the start is the fact that the author did not want to compare the devices but wanted to compare AT&T to Sprint. When push comes to shove they have the same network coverage (they gray in the Sprint map is roaming coverage but Sprint does not charge extra for roaming so actually Sprint has a little bit better coverage).
The reason I posted the cnet video was because you can find people all over that think wireless provider A or B sucks and you know what, in that particular spot they might be correct. That does not make it correct for the entire United States though. Then what about the fact that these devices sell all across the world on other providers.