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Paul Stewart
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1 year ago
in You know it’s time to say good-bye when…. on Shooting at Bubbles
Hi Steve. I found your post on newsgang.net because the other Steve (Gilmore) was on TWiT & with Winer and talking about Twitter and Pownce! In the end, folks in the TWiT chat room listening live were saying what they liked or did not like about Winer.
One of the things I noted about the social voice of either service is they are Push services, intrinsicly. Subscribing to the service, choosing to listen, still does not a conversation make. Even commenting back. via the @ is not a conversation because what you say is pushed back at someone. No matter how one sematicly creates an API opportunity for a message, regardless of the type, if it is a push method it will never be a conversation. We have to choose to have a conversation. Even blogging is not really a conversation, it is closer though with comments, it is a call and response, and many animals do it.
Think back to push to talk radio mics. The folks today are not taking their fingers off the button to hear a reply. In the push model of communication the reply is the number of subscribers. A conversation can challenge the message, change it. In push method, they like to count the endpoints receiving, because it was not developed for conversation, push model is for two things, Warning/Alerts and Carnival Barking Marketeers in Plaid Suits, Bowler and Cane.
As for Dave Winer I think I used the term disingenuous as well. He will take a stand to make a point, though it is not really what he wants to communicate. Winer's message is all about what he thinks outloud. I do not get the sense that he has put any extended thought into what comes out. When asked what he thought about some other software or application of RSS he said he didn't care; so why should we? He wines about what he has not got, he puts some effort to the question it raises and by being a squeaky wheel, but what do we get otherwise? While having had a good idea with RSS, he is not my tech roll model.
Push method believes even bad press is good press.
One of the things I noted about the social voice of either service is they are Push services, intrinsicly. Subscribing to the service, choosing to listen, still does not a conversation make. Even commenting back. via the @ is not a conversation because what you say is pushed back at someone. No matter how one sematicly creates an API opportunity for a message, regardless of the type, if it is a push method it will never be a conversation. We have to choose to have a conversation. Even blogging is not really a conversation, it is closer though with comments, it is a call and response, and many animals do it.
Think back to push to talk radio mics. The folks today are not taking their fingers off the button to hear a reply. In the push model of communication the reply is the number of subscribers. A conversation can challenge the message, change it. In push method, they like to count the endpoints receiving, because it was not developed for conversation, push model is for two things, Warning/Alerts and Carnival Barking Marketeers in Plaid Suits, Bowler and Cane.
As for Dave Winer I think I used the term disingenuous as well. He will take a stand to make a point, though it is not really what he wants to communicate. Winer's message is all about what he thinks outloud. I do not get the sense that he has put any extended thought into what comes out. When asked what he thought about some other software or application of RSS he said he didn't care; so why should we? He wines about what he has not got, he puts some effort to the question it raises and by being a squeaky wheel, but what do we get otherwise? While having had a good idea with RSS, he is not my tech roll model.
Push method believes even bad press is good press.
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StevenHodson
Thanks Paul for taking the time to drop by. I like your viewpoint on this and I agree with your take on Mr. Winer. I just wonder how long before that feeling becomes more wide spread and he loses any possible relevancy he might have.
