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2 months ago
in Carrie Prejean’s Pastor Demolishes Homosexual Lies on Dakota Voice
"I know a lot of people who used to be gay; I don’t know anybody who used to be black."
Michael Jackson, for one.
Michael Jackson, for one.
6 months ago
in Our 51st State & Gaza on Jack and Jill Politics
But she makes foolish remarks like the one above, that's why I said it. And now that I've read more about her, I can't say "I take it back."
It's not like you have to like me. And it's clear you don't. But your preconceived notion of my belief system is wrong...granted, my remarks are occasionally sharp, but no sharper than what or whom I'm addressing. I sometimes match tone for tone. But it doesn't mean I don't respect the other person's point of view, and I know how to concede when I'm proven wrong.
I think Cynthia McKinney is a nickel-plated fool.
Why don't you ask me about my hero, Bayard Rustin. I can give you lots of positive feedback...it'll be music to your ears.
Someone said to me in a response (I don't know if it's you) that I seem to come here to reaffirm my own preconceived notions. It kind of gave me pause and I realized it was true in a way.
It's not like you have to like me. And it's clear you don't. But your preconceived notion of my belief system is wrong...granted, my remarks are occasionally sharp, but no sharper than what or whom I'm addressing. I sometimes match tone for tone. But it doesn't mean I don't respect the other person's point of view, and I know how to concede when I'm proven wrong.
I think Cynthia McKinney is a nickel-plated fool.
Why don't you ask me about my hero, Bayard Rustin. I can give you lots of positive feedback...it'll be music to your ears.
Someone said to me in a response (I don't know if it's you) that I seem to come here to reaffirm my own preconceived notions. It kind of gave me pause and I realized it was true in a way.
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6 months ago
in Our 51st State & Gaza on Jack and Jill Politics
I can answer that.
1. America is uniquely evil.
2. America is never justified in defending itself.
3. Illiterate people from poor societies are superior to Americans.
4. The Earth would be better off without human beings.
5. Making a profit is always immoral.
6. Differences between individuals or groups are unfair.
7. For Designated Victim Groups, strong feelings excuse all behavior.
8. Policies informed by Judæo-Christian principles are inherently suspect.
9. Conservatives are hypocrites; liberals are sincere.
10. There are no acts of God; there are only acts of Government.
I know that ten is a wonderful (not to mention traditional) number for these things. But, with all due respect to CPL, I'd like to add four of my own.
11) We defend the right to free speech for ourselves, but anyone else whose speech hurts our feelings must be censored.
12) In any conflict between a third-world nation and a first-world nation, the third-world nation is always right.
13) Tyranny in third-world countries is not our concern unless the US (or Israel) can be blamed in some way.
14) All criticism or disagreement with any policy of a third-world nation, culture, or person is, by definition, racism.
1. America is uniquely evil.
2. America is never justified in defending itself.
3. Illiterate people from poor societies are superior to Americans.
4. The Earth would be better off without human beings.
5. Making a profit is always immoral.
6. Differences between individuals or groups are unfair.
7. For Designated Victim Groups, strong feelings excuse all behavior.
8. Policies informed by Judæo-Christian principles are inherently suspect.
9. Conservatives are hypocrites; liberals are sincere.
10. There are no acts of God; there are only acts of Government.
I know that ten is a wonderful (not to mention traditional) number for these things. But, with all due respect to CPL, I'd like to add four of my own.
11) We defend the right to free speech for ourselves, but anyone else whose speech hurts our feelings must be censored.
12) In any conflict between a third-world nation and a first-world nation, the third-world nation is always right.
13) Tyranny in third-world countries is not our concern unless the US (or Israel) can be blamed in some way.
14) All criticism or disagreement with any policy of a third-world nation, culture, or person is, by definition, racism.
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6 months ago
in Our 51st State & Gaza on Jack and Jill Politics
Well, I looked her up. Why would you support Cynthia McKinney? You say she's brave? She looks like a fool to me.
"On Sept. 28, 2008, at a press conference, McKinney announced that she had spoken with a constituent whose son was a National Guardsman. The constituent claimed her son had disposed of 5,000 bodies for the Department of Defense during the week of Huricane Katrina. She further claimed that the bodies were prisoners who had all been shot in the head and dumped in a Louisiana swamp. McKinney said that the story had been corroborated by anonymous "insider" sources."
"On Sept. 28, 2008, at a press conference, McKinney announced that she had spoken with a constituent whose son was a National Guardsman. The constituent claimed her son had disposed of 5,000 bodies for the Department of Defense during the week of Huricane Katrina. She further claimed that the bodies were prisoners who had all been shot in the head and dumped in a Louisiana swamp. McKinney said that the story had been corroborated by anonymous "insider" sources."
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CPL
Your statement about calling McKinney a fool is one reason why.
6 months ago
in Our 51st State & Gaza on Jack and Jill Politics
Gee CPL. I didn't say anything about Cynthia McKinney. And I don't recall being told to take my ass anywhere, except by you. What is it about me that you dislike so much?
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6 months ago
in Monday Open Thread on Jack and Jill Politics
"At this juncture, what does a study like this suppose to prove to America?"
I just like to know who's out there trying to kill me.
I just like to know who's out there trying to kill me.
6 months ago
in Monday Open Thread on Jack and Jill Politics
What's on purpose? That a shocking amount of black kids are shooting each other (and us white folk) while the overall crime rate is heading south? You kidding? It's no coincidence, right? The timing of the release of these, um, facts, from a 5 year Northeastern University study is a plot. Ya gotta laugh.
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spirit_55z
I'm sure you're just busting a gut, Jonster.
While Northwestern has spent 5 YEARS studying folks killing each other, that time and money could've been spent on EDUCATION. Let's not be hoodwinked by the fact that NorthwEstern did the study. Otherwise you'll be labeled an Elitist. :-)))
Throwing out a bunch of statistsics 23 days before the Bush administration leaves office and the Obama Administration readys itself to take office smells to high heaven.
Let's do the math. 8 YEARS! 2000-2008 George W. Bush took the oath of Office; not once, but twice.
He promised to protect and defend the constitution of the US. NOT! Because under that oath, Americans have a right to LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS!
At this juncture, what does a study like this suppose to prove to America?
While Northwestern has spent 5 YEARS studying folks killing each other, that time and money could've been spent on EDUCATION. Let's not be hoodwinked by the fact that NorthwEstern did the study. Otherwise you'll be labeled an Elitist. :-)))
Throwing out a bunch of statistsics 23 days before the Bush administration leaves office and the Obama Administration readys itself to take office smells to high heaven.
Let's do the math. 8 YEARS! 2000-2008 George W. Bush took the oath of Office; not once, but twice.
He promised to protect and defend the constitution of the US. NOT! Because under that oath, Americans have a right to LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS!
At this juncture, what does a study like this suppose to prove to America?
6 months ago
in The Obama Girls and Being Black at Sidwell - An Inside Perspective, Part IV on Jack and Jill Politics
When can we see these stories in the The New York Times, or on the evening news as a feature. The whole series is well done and I enjoyed reading it very much. Plus, I cannot think of a more timely topic. Five stars. Great read.
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cheryl aka jill tubman
Appreciate tha props, Jonster...
6 months ago
in Friday Open Thread on Jack and Jill Politics
Do you think they'd listen? I think there are more sinners in church than out of it. They're all hoping for salvation for their own souls by pointing out others who they think are worse off. But it won't work.
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whiterosebuddy
Of course they would listen.
I agree that the church is FULL of sinners, typically those are the folks that are in need of the Christian faith. The church would not exist without sinners. So, it is right that the church should be full of them.
I think that folks in church are praying for their own strength to live in the chirsitian faith and could care less about anyone else's soul. After all, each soul is born alone and with it's own unique spirit. The christian community is suppose to help guide and support them ln the struggle to live by those christian tenets.
What won't work is for folks to abandon Christian beliefs and believe they are being Christian. God has already granted them salvation, all they have to do is adhere to the tenets of the faith.
I agree that the church is FULL of sinners, typically those are the folks that are in need of the Christian faith. The church would not exist without sinners. So, it is right that the church should be full of them.
I think that folks in church are praying for their own strength to live in the chirsitian faith and could care less about anyone else's soul. After all, each soul is born alone and with it's own unique spirit. The christian community is suppose to help guide and support them ln the struggle to live by those christian tenets.
What won't work is for folks to abandon Christian beliefs and believe they are being Christian. God has already granted them salvation, all they have to do is adhere to the tenets of the faith.
6 months ago
in Friday Open Thread on Jack and Jill Politics
Lord, I am so tired of the swooning hordes of Amen junkies who pop out of their stupors long enough to damn someone to hell.
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whiterosebuddy
Go to church and tell them about it!
6 months ago
in When Will “We” Be Able To Eff-Up and Get Another Chance? on Jack and Jill Politics
LOL. Ironic self-indictment, applauded by a loyal coterie of cheerleaders.
6 months ago
in Should the “Purpose Driven Preacher” Pray over the POTUS? on Jack and Jill Politics
I'm confused because I believe from what I've heard from Obama and Biden is that they have empathy for the LGBT "community" and intend to do everything they can for full gay civil rights. I do not agree with CPL's remark that "if gays want people of color to be sympathetic to their concerns, they need to start seeing what we've dealt with for almost 500 years." We've all been around this old planet a long time. But CPL is right in that the majority rules. I don't believe this guy with the antiquated views showed up on the roster purposefully with malice and I ascribe none to the President Elect. Sidenote: Michelle, it is an honor to read your concise, compassionate remarks.
6 months ago
in When Will “We” Be Able To Eff-Up and Get Another Chance? on Jack and Jill Politics
Glad to help!
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6 months ago
in When Will “We” Be Able To Eff-Up and Get Another Chance? on Jack and Jill Politics
I think you are right. It's more of a "socio-economic class" thing.
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Rhondacoca
Wow, your learning.
6 months ago
in When Will “We” Be Able To Eff-Up and Get Another Chance? on Jack and Jill Politics
Racist!
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Plantsmantx
If you say so, LOL.
You know, for the brand of crap you're peddling to be effective, we have to buy it. We're not.
Some of you may have seen this already, but if you want to see every silly-ass trick this guy has in his bag in advance, read over this:
http://www.theunapologeticmexican.org/glosario....
I hope he sticks around long enough to get to the "Scarem-Carom" That'll be fun to watch.
You know, for the brand of crap you're peddling to be effective, we have to buy it. We're not.
Some of you may have seen this already, but if you want to see every silly-ass trick this guy has in his bag in advance, read over this:
http://www.theunapologeticmexican.org/glosario....
I hope he sticks around long enough to get to the "Scarem-Carom" That'll be fun to watch.
6 months ago
in When Will “We” Be Able To Eff-Up and Get Another Chance? on Jack and Jill Politics
That would be "sorely" lacking, not soarly. And you're right. Never took sociology classes. But I read a lot. Does that count?
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6 months ago
in When Will “We” Be Able To Eff-Up and Get Another Chance? on Jack and Jill Politics
Rhondacoca, in that sentence the first word should be spelled "You're." Thanks for the suggestion.
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Rhondacoca
No it should not be.
I know that you feel you can come here and talk down to those who you feel are below you. However I will let you know that you have come to the wrong place.
Now as I said before, go take a basic sociology class, we are not here to educate you. Stop with the victimhood! You are in charge of you own destiny, go get enlightened.
I know that you feel you can come here and talk down to those who you feel are below you. However I will let you know that you have come to the wrong place.
Now as I said before, go take a basic sociology class, we are not here to educate you. Stop with the victimhood! You are in charge of you own destiny, go get enlightened.
6 months ago
in When Will “We” Be Able To Eff-Up and Get Another Chance? on Jack and Jill Politics
Correction, you mean to say "you're creepy" - not "your."
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Rhondacoca
Thank you Jonster because being a part of the criminal class has been detrimental to my basic grammar skills.
6 months ago
in When Will “We” Be Able To Eff-Up and Get Another Chance? on Jack and Jill Politics
Who's they?
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Plantsmantx
LOL, exactly true to type. I'm not going to play that game, Goober. You can take "they" to inculde anyone you want. I can't even begin to give a damn.
6 months ago
in When Will “We” Be Able To Eff-Up and Get Another Chance? on Jack and Jill Politics
Thanks for the thoughtful post. You are right, of course. I don't know you personally and I do appreciate you taking the time to fill me in. Your Dad sounds like a wonderful and wise man. I hate what happened to him. And I understand how a child would feel. It would infuriate him. I had a similar Dad. When I was five, I repeated the N word in a rhyme after I heard on the playground (Eenie Meenie). My Dad stopped the car to explain to me why I could never use the word again. Believe me, I understood the premise of robbing someone's dignity with words at an early age and I do not like when it's done to me. I was raised in an affluent area where the .05% black population had second homes on Martha's Vineyard and in Sag Harbor. It was only when I moved into New York City that I began to have personal experiences that have affected me and my viewpoints in a negative way. I know you feel I am obsessed with the crimes of black people and it in a way you are right. It has, as I said, affected me and my family personally. However, I worded things wrong. I know the truth just as you do, and I have said so in other posts, that I am speaking generally. It is true, however, that if you look at the crime statistics, the cities in the USA with the highest population of black people have the highest crime rates, from 1-10. This is a sophisticated message board, written by people who are far more accomplished and intelligent than I. It's amazing what we've all accomplished as far as civil rights goes in the past generation alone, culminating in the election of President Obama. However, I still see the same defensive, angry attitude and lectures. I am not one to be shouted down as you can see. Nor one to shrink from a fight (I learned in the schoolyard that bullies fold easily when confronted). But I just want to make one thing clear. I do not put all black people into a "criminal" class, a ridiculous notion, but I cannot by virtue of the statistics, deny that the criminal element in the black "community" is much higher than in any other group.
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Lilytiger
But if you stop focusing on the color of the skin and shift it to the circumstances of their existence, you may not be so preoccupied with black crime but crime of poverty, lack of education, lack of good role models, lack of choice, lack of knowing other ways of living, lack of self respect and self love.
You see that, then you will recognize the same crime phenom around the world and will understand how much the race of the person comes into importance.
Peace out
You see that, then you will recognize the same crime phenom around the world and will understand how much the race of the person comes into importance.
Peace out
Rhondacoca
"I do not put all black people into a "criminal" class, a ridiculous notion, but I cannot by virtue of the statistics, deny that the criminal element in the black "community" is much higher than in any other group."
Its obvious that you are not as intelligent and that you chose to do exactly what we must fight on a regular basis by shrinking our humanity to the actions of others.
If we cannot take you up on what white people do why do you feel that you can sit here in front of law-abiding and educated blacks and talk about black being the "criminal class" which you did.
Also, there are reasons behind everything and it is obvious that your knowledge of basic sociology and root causes of social issues is soarly lacking.
Its obvious that you are not as intelligent and that you chose to do exactly what we must fight on a regular basis by shrinking our humanity to the actions of others.
If we cannot take you up on what white people do why do you feel that you can sit here in front of law-abiding and educated blacks and talk about black being the "criminal class" which you did.
Also, there are reasons behind everything and it is obvious that your knowledge of basic sociology and root causes of social issues is soarly lacking.
6 months ago
in When Will “We” Be Able To Eff-Up and Get Another Chance? on Jack and Jill Politics
Hmmmm, maybe I'll stay. Miranda, you and I, we've got a thing going, eh? I would miss you.
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Plantsmantx
They're all pathetically the same, aren't they, Miranda?
Rhondacoca
ewww...your creepy.
6 months ago
in When Will “We” Be Able To Eff-Up and Get Another Chance? on Jack and Jill Politics
LOL. Bringing up black crime on a black message board means I must be insulted, shut down, kicked out and made a member of the KKK? Do you think I am not aware that we are about to swear in a Black President for whom I voted? Do you believe I am unaware of the entire spectrum of all minorities, the good, the bad and the ugly? I am not. Okay, I'll take my contrarian attitude somewhere else. No apologies, though.
Like I always say, if you can't run with the dogs, don't piss with the puppies.
Like I always say, if you can't run with the dogs, don't piss with the puppies.
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Monie
Evidently, YOU don't think I know about other races shortcomings....including white people's shyt.
Let me tell you something...in 1970, my late father, who was in his late teens at the time, and in a rural part of Virginia, hitchhiked a ride with two white men who offered him a ride.
These same white men, pulled a weapon on my father, disparaged him by calling him the n-word repeatedly, and my father actually fought his way out and jumped out of a moving car. And when he reported this crime, the white sheriff basically dismissed his account, and essentially disregarded the criminal act that was committed.
I was first told this account at the age of 8....and it wasn't told to me to make me distrust white people.....but ALL strange people---to never be trusting of strangers. But the bigger issue is that it is not only black people who commit crimes and make others feel unsafe.
Right now, i live in a area that is predominantly white and I was warned that while violent crimes were not that much of a concern(shootings were lower than some areas),other crimes were...and I have never seen as many registered sex offenders/predators in my life...and yes the majority of them are white males.
Am I going to sit here and say all white men are of the pedophile class....even though that has been my experience here. I don't need to fuckin generalize like that. What does it solve?
Because any person OF ANY COLOR AT ANY TIME is capable of violating another person and commiting a crime.
It just so happens you are obsessed with the the crime of black people...well, if you are that damn concerned., mentor a young black person, give an unemployed black person a job, eradicate poverty in poorer neighborhoods... be a crime-fighting superhero who magically appears to stop crime.......and then maybe you discuss this with intelligence.
Let me tell you something...in 1970, my late father, who was in his late teens at the time, and in a rural part of Virginia, hitchhiked a ride with two white men who offered him a ride.
These same white men, pulled a weapon on my father, disparaged him by calling him the n-word repeatedly, and my father actually fought his way out and jumped out of a moving car. And when he reported this crime, the white sheriff basically dismissed his account, and essentially disregarded the criminal act that was committed.
I was first told this account at the age of 8....and it wasn't told to me to make me distrust white people.....but ALL strange people---to never be trusting of strangers. But the bigger issue is that it is not only black people who commit crimes and make others feel unsafe.
Right now, i live in a area that is predominantly white and I was warned that while violent crimes were not that much of a concern(shootings were lower than some areas),other crimes were...and I have never seen as many registered sex offenders/predators in my life...and yes the majority of them are white males.
Am I going to sit here and say all white men are of the pedophile class....even though that has been my experience here. I don't need to fuckin generalize like that. What does it solve?
Because any person OF ANY COLOR AT ANY TIME is capable of violating another person and commiting a crime.
It just so happens you are obsessed with the the crime of black people...well, if you are that damn concerned., mentor a young black person, give an unemployed black person a job, eradicate poverty in poorer neighborhoods... be a crime-fighting superhero who magically appears to stop crime.......and then maybe you discuss this with intelligence.
Miranda
"Like I always say, if you can't run with the dogs, don't piss with the puppies."
Yeah....we'll just have to take your word for it...mmkay??
Yeah....we'll just have to take your word for it...mmkay??
6 months ago
in When Will “We” Be Able To Eff-Up and Get Another Chance? on Jack and Jill Politics
Rorysmomma, thanks for the best laugh of the day...God Bless You.
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