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1 year ago
in Music Review: Desperation Band, Everyone Overcome on BibleDude.net
Sounds like another one of those semi-talented pop rock clones.
Blech.
If you REALLY want worship music with an edge, listen to some songs from Wedding Party: Anthems or perhaps something from Woven Hand.
And if you're in the mood for real worship music, go for some Orthodox chant from Capella Romana
Blech.
If you REALLY want worship music with an edge, listen to some songs from Wedding Party: Anthems or perhaps something from Woven Hand.
And if you're in the mood for real worship music, go for some Orthodox chant from Capella Romana
1 year ago
in the truth about Jehovah’s Witness, part 5 on BibleDude.net
"often when people share their views on the Jehovah’s Witnesses, they often share ways to rebut their views, and try to convince “them” that “our” Christian views are right and theirs are wrong. Is that the Biblical way to handle it?"
And yet this is certainly the way you’ve done it here in your posts so far…about the only difference seems to be you are speaking mainly to the crowd instead of the opposition. But you’ve still rebutted them and you’ve still tried to convince us of “our” way against “their” way.
"Just remember that you (and I) are not here to tear down and destroy. That is the job of the enemy."
And yet not so long ago you were proud to have served in the military tearing down and destroying your enemies… Who’s being hypocritical in all this? I don’t think it’s the JWs.
I think you were right to learn something from the JWs. They seem to understand the way of the kingdom better than you. Perhaps they also know Yeshua better than you do.
And yet this is certainly the way you’ve done it here in your posts so far…about the only difference seems to be you are speaking mainly to the crowd instead of the opposition. But you’ve still rebutted them and you’ve still tried to convince us of “our” way against “their” way.
"Just remember that you (and I) are not here to tear down and destroy. That is the job of the enemy."
And yet not so long ago you were proud to have served in the military tearing down and destroying your enemies… Who’s being hypocritical in all this? I don’t think it’s the JWs.
I think you were right to learn something from the JWs. They seem to understand the way of the kingdom better than you. Perhaps they also know Yeshua better than you do.
1 year ago
in the truth about Jehovah’s Witness, part 3 on BibleDude.net
If what you describe is correct, then in many ways, my tradition is very similar. I am Anabaptist. In our fold are Quakers, Amish, Mennonites, and many others. Two core concepts of our tradition is that the kingdom of YHWH is not political/is not worldly and another is that violence and war are anathema to Christ, God, and faith. Traditionally, therefore, we refuse military service since we are commanded to love our enemies and loving them can in no way be equated with slaughtering them. Traditionally, many have refused to pay taxes because they believe war is against the will of God and therefore they will not, out of their obedience to God, monetarily support it. Some parts of this tradition, like the Amish, have separated themselves completely from government and society so that they have no dependence on the nation or world. It is not uncommon for people all across my tradition to shun allegiance to the flag. This doesn’t mean people are always politically neutral. For instance, my congregation has marched every year against the war in Iraq since it began. This is a political statement to the world. However, our goal is not so much to take a political stance as to be in obedience to Christ and to tell the world to join us in following him.
“Jehovah’s Witness seem to demand the freedoms and benefits that government provides, while refusing to put in the effort that is required to maintain the governmental system that provides these things in the first place. My first response to this is in regards to the apparent hypocrisy that this displays.”
Why do you call it hypocrisy? If anything, they are being extremely consistent, for they have refused to identify themselves with the country and have taken the necessary steps to disengage themselves from it in those ways that they can. Just because they happen to be born in this country and probably don’t have the money or means to leave it doesn’t mean they should therefore simply let the country roll over them and destroy them if the country also provides means for them to stay and to prosper in it if they work with that system for their benefit and not for the country.
"However, at a slightly deeper level, this passage indicates that even the earthly governement [sic] is an extension of God’s authority. Therefore the idea that the Jehovah’s Witness submit themselves to the rule of God’s government, and not the earthly government is flawed."
You are splitting hairs. You are also committing an interpretational flaw in that you are taking bits and pieces of verses and turning them into universal morals/ethics as if Yeshua or Paul were a Greek Cynics or Hellenistic philosophers expounding absolute verities. But Paul and Yeshua weren’t—they were Jews—and they didn’t—they spoke about what it means to be a people of the covenant god in a world ruled by godless men.
"Furthermore, the interpretation of John 18:36 is really misused as a command to not participate with the military. The first problem in this interpretation is that it is based on a narrative of a conversation that Jesus had. Jesus was not literally teaching in this passage that people should not serve in the military, but He was declaring where His authority and power comes from."
Suddenly now you’re not interested in turning things into universal truths and moral verities? Suddenly now you realize there’s a narrative with time and place and context involved? Why the flip-flop? Who’s the hypocrite now?
"Regardless of what you believe a person’s role (especially a Christian’s) should be in government, it is clear that this core belief an practice of the Jehovah’s Witness organization is incorrect."
I don’t see this as being obvious…and I think you’ve done a rather poor job at saying so if you think otherwise…
"I further believe that there are few things that one can do to honor God more than taking an active role in the systems and structures that HE established, and commands us to submit ourselves to."
God commands us to get involved in our military and to go to war to kill and shed blood for the godless rulers of our country? Good luck with that one.
"One cannot pick and choose which parts of government that they like"
Why not?
"just as one cannot pick and choose which parts of the Bible they want to believe in…"
Yet you have done such a good job so far in this post doing that exact thing... Regardless, this is a straw man argument that has nothing to do with the subject matter.
“Jehovah’s Witness seem to demand the freedoms and benefits that government provides, while refusing to put in the effort that is required to maintain the governmental system that provides these things in the first place. My first response to this is in regards to the apparent hypocrisy that this displays.”
Why do you call it hypocrisy? If anything, they are being extremely consistent, for they have refused to identify themselves with the country and have taken the necessary steps to disengage themselves from it in those ways that they can. Just because they happen to be born in this country and probably don’t have the money or means to leave it doesn’t mean they should therefore simply let the country roll over them and destroy them if the country also provides means for them to stay and to prosper in it if they work with that system for their benefit and not for the country.
"However, at a slightly deeper level, this passage indicates that even the earthly governement [sic] is an extension of God’s authority. Therefore the idea that the Jehovah’s Witness submit themselves to the rule of God’s government, and not the earthly government is flawed."
You are splitting hairs. You are also committing an interpretational flaw in that you are taking bits and pieces of verses and turning them into universal morals/ethics as if Yeshua or Paul were a Greek Cynics or Hellenistic philosophers expounding absolute verities. But Paul and Yeshua weren’t—they were Jews—and they didn’t—they spoke about what it means to be a people of the covenant god in a world ruled by godless men.
"Furthermore, the interpretation of John 18:36 is really misused as a command to not participate with the military. The first problem in this interpretation is that it is based on a narrative of a conversation that Jesus had. Jesus was not literally teaching in this passage that people should not serve in the military, but He was declaring where His authority and power comes from."
Suddenly now you’re not interested in turning things into universal truths and moral verities? Suddenly now you realize there’s a narrative with time and place and context involved? Why the flip-flop? Who’s the hypocrite now?
"Regardless of what you believe a person’s role (especially a Christian’s) should be in government, it is clear that this core belief an practice of the Jehovah’s Witness organization is incorrect."
I don’t see this as being obvious…and I think you’ve done a rather poor job at saying so if you think otherwise…
"I further believe that there are few things that one can do to honor God more than taking an active role in the systems and structures that HE established, and commands us to submit ourselves to."
God commands us to get involved in our military and to go to war to kill and shed blood for the godless rulers of our country? Good luck with that one.
"One cannot pick and choose which parts of government that they like"
Why not?
"just as one cannot pick and choose which parts of the Bible they want to believe in…"
Yet you have done such a good job so far in this post doing that exact thing... Regardless, this is a straw man argument that has nothing to do with the subject matter.
1 year ago
in the truth about Jehovah’s Witness, part 2 on BibleDude.net
You must be kidding me. So what? Let's say you're right and JWs are wrong. Who cares? Is that really gonna make any major difference at all between your faith and theirs? Why spend all this time building boundary markers between yourself and them in terms of dateline interpretation? What is this gonna matter? You've said a whole lot here about what makes the JWs different from you and yet you've said nothing at all. Christianity isn't about how one interprets dates and time-lines in ancient texts.
