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2 years ago
in Religion VS Science on Jeff Bristow dot COM
As an agnostic, I agree with virtually everything you say. I even believe that a higher power likely controlled the construction, if not the rules of the observable universe as we know it.
But to blatently claim that a god, of which 0 proof is given, is fact is absurd. For all you know, god is a fat alien kid, and our universe is a high school chem lab experiment in a petri dish.
You have a faith in what you beleive in. I applaud that. No doubt it has dictated how you have lived your life. Hopefully, you'll never lose that faith and everything you have believed in will be true.
But ... since you have no proof of that faith, stop acting and preaching to others as if it was fact. It is not fact by your standards or mine. It is faith.
Good luck with that by the way...
But to blatently claim that a god, of which 0 proof is given, is fact is absurd. For all you know, god is a fat alien kid, and our universe is a high school chem lab experiment in a petri dish.
You have a faith in what you beleive in. I applaud that. No doubt it has dictated how you have lived your life. Hopefully, you'll never lose that faith and everything you have believed in will be true.
But ... since you have no proof of that faith, stop acting and preaching to others as if it was fact. It is not fact by your standards or mine. It is faith.
Good luck with that by the way...
2 years ago
in Islamic Reformation on Jeff Bristow dot COM
My point is pretty simple, I apologize if I didn't make it clear. My belief's, as is your's, are irrelevant. You are free to believe what you like. You are free to meditate on the issues, or pray or sacrifice yourself or whatever.
Where I believe you cross the line, is in advocating that you or others like you attempt to "change" them. Bring them to god so to speak.
Muslims don't want you to tell them about god. They have their own beliefs about god. What I'm saying is, when we stop trying to change them; when we stop trying to bring democracy to them; when we stop trying to "tame the saveges"; when we stop thinking of them as savages; when we stop trying to convert them; when we leave them to live life as they see fit, in their own country -- that is when peace can actually happen.
If god truly is - the god you believe in - then what you desire will happen as god sees fit, not as you and your fellow "christians" dictate.
Where I believe you cross the line, is in advocating that you or others like you attempt to "change" them. Bring them to god so to speak.
Muslims don't want you to tell them about god. They have their own beliefs about god. What I'm saying is, when we stop trying to change them; when we stop trying to bring democracy to them; when we stop trying to "tame the saveges"; when we stop thinking of them as savages; when we stop trying to convert them; when we leave them to live life as they see fit, in their own country -- that is when peace can actually happen.
If god truly is - the god you believe in - then what you desire will happen as god sees fit, not as you and your fellow "christians" dictate.
2 years ago
in Religion VS Science on Jeff Bristow dot COM
Oh please, could that be more contrived?
First off, near the end of this story, the "christian" claims the professor has no brain. Yet we can easily determine this, by cutting him open. So the story makes a claim that he cannot have a brain, becuase we cannot observe it? Since scince may not have a way of observing the brain, WITHOUT killing the subject (yet, and not totally true either, MRI', xray, fiber cameras, aka technology is erasing this limitation slowly) that does not assert that we cannot prove he has a brain. I'd just prefer to make an assumption since A) we have proven that humans have brains B) brains control our bodies C) no human is able to live without one. this assumption is no great leap, and is made to preserve the life of our professor. So yes he has a brain.
Stupid story, based on a flawed premise.
So let's talk about morality for a second.
I kill some one, thus you would perceive me to be immoral. I'm immoral, becuase you believe that your set of "moral laws" apply to me, thus I'm immoral.
What if my "Moral laws" state that killing is an acceptable form of survival (I'm hungry, you look good to eat). Am I still immoral? What we'ere talking about here is perception. You perceive me to be immoral on a set of rules, you made up. Oh sure, you got them from god. Prove it? Morals are perception, and everyone has a different set of them. Are laws are based on a common set of morals, so as to make a common set of rules that we can live with in a society.
I could go on and on, but alas I have no time. I must continue writing code on this computer. Of course, if science were truly flawed, we wouldn't have a computer would we. Maybe god invented it?
First off, near the end of this story, the "christian" claims the professor has no brain. Yet we can easily determine this, by cutting him open. So the story makes a claim that he cannot have a brain, becuase we cannot observe it? Since scince may not have a way of observing the brain, WITHOUT killing the subject (yet, and not totally true either, MRI', xray, fiber cameras, aka technology is erasing this limitation slowly) that does not assert that we cannot prove he has a brain. I'd just prefer to make an assumption since A) we have proven that humans have brains B) brains control our bodies C) no human is able to live without one. this assumption is no great leap, and is made to preserve the life of our professor. So yes he has a brain.
Stupid story, based on a flawed premise.
So let's talk about morality for a second.
I kill some one, thus you would perceive me to be immoral. I'm immoral, becuase you believe that your set of "moral laws" apply to me, thus I'm immoral.
What if my "Moral laws" state that killing is an acceptable form of survival (I'm hungry, you look good to eat). Am I still immoral? What we'ere talking about here is perception. You perceive me to be immoral on a set of rules, you made up. Oh sure, you got them from god. Prove it? Morals are perception, and everyone has a different set of them. Are laws are based on a common set of morals, so as to make a common set of rules that we can live with in a society.
I could go on and on, but alas I have no time. I must continue writing code on this computer. Of course, if science were truly flawed, we wouldn't have a computer would we. Maybe god invented it?
2 years ago
in Islamic Reformation on Jeff Bristow dot COM
Try respect first. To assume that your "religion" is right, when it is entirely based on faith, is to automatically disrespect their beliefs.
When you say "As a Christian I see the great need for Christians to be reaching out to Muslims around the world. Only the life changing power of Jesus Christ can turn this movement around.", you make an assumption that A) they are wrong and you are right and B) that all muslims mean to harm you or others through violence.
It is this kind of arrogance, that cause the dialog to change from one of mutual discussion and understanding to one of dislike and fear.
They do not need and/or want you to change them. Is it really that hard to understand?
You are free to believe in what you want. Try to remember that that is all they want as well. Yes there are some that want to hurt you. Just as there are some in Detroit that want to hurt you as well. To group all muslims into one category, absed on the actions of a few is short sighted, and not very god-like.
When you say "As a Christian I see the great need for Christians to be reaching out to Muslims around the world. Only the life changing power of Jesus Christ can turn this movement around.", you make an assumption that A) they are wrong and you are right and B) that all muslims mean to harm you or others through violence.
It is this kind of arrogance, that cause the dialog to change from one of mutual discussion and understanding to one of dislike and fear.
They do not need and/or want you to change them. Is it really that hard to understand?
You are free to believe in what you want. Try to remember that that is all they want as well. Yes there are some that want to hurt you. Just as there are some in Detroit that want to hurt you as well. To group all muslims into one category, absed on the actions of a few is short sighted, and not very god-like.
2 years ago
in Islamic Reformation on Jeff Bristow dot COM
"Only the life changing power of Jesus Christ can turn this movement around."
Can you not see who you are part of the problem, and not the solution? You espouse virtually the same ideals as those you fear and oppose. What the world needs is less religion, not more...
Can you not see who you are part of the problem, and not the solution? You espouse virtually the same ideals as those you fear and oppose. What the world needs is less religion, not more...