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Re: Oh to be a fly on the wall of the RNC...

Scott — Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:05:14 -0000

You are a moron. Anyone who doesn't get the point of that is completely nuts.

Re: An (unexpected and unplanned) report on the health care system

Scott — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:33:37 -0000

Paul Lin??? I totally loved Uncle Arthur.

Re: In DC and “ Radicals ” Invade FRC

Scott — Tue, 08 Nov 2005 02:00:00 -0000

I think "chanting anti-abstinence slogans" is only half the story.
It's irresponsible to think that abstinence only education is going to stop teenagers from having sex.
In a dream world maybe but in this world it's irresponsible to stick your head in the sand and believe that a teenager is going to listen to a teacher tell them "never ever ever do that until you're married".
The FRC is advocating an irresponsible course of action.
The Vatican also has advocated abstinence education and forbids condom use.
It's done a heck of a job in Africa.
It's like a parent having a loaded gun in the house, telling the kids where it is, and then telling them to never ever touch it.
Its far better to train the kid how to handle the gun safely and tell them why they should never touch it.

Re: In DC and “Radicals” Invade FRC

Scott — Tue, 08 Nov 2005 10:11:16 -0000

How far does the FRC think they can push people before they react?

I've monitored their activities and statements for about 7 years now. I've seen fierce rhetoric from Gary Bauer, Janet Parshal, Ken Conner and now Tony Perkins.

The twisting of facts for political gain, the blatent lies. The taunting and gloating over various "victories" for their cause.

All in the name of Jesus.

I'm truly surprised that this hasn't happened to the FRC sooner. Eventually people get tired of being legislative punching bags.

It was evidenced in Boston a week ago and repeated in Washington DC.

The gay community is getting tired.

Re: In DC and “Radicals” Invade FRC

Scott — Tue, 08 Nov 2005 13:11:31 -0000

I think "chanting anti-abstinence slogans" is only half the story.

It's irresponsible to think that abstinence only education is going to stop teenagers from having sex.

In a dream world maybe but in this world it's irresponsible to stick your head in the sand and believe that a teenager is going to listen to a teacher tell them "never ever ever do that until you're married".

The FRC is advocating an irresponsible course of action.

The Vatican also has advocated abstinence education and forbids condom use.

It's done a heck of a job in Africa.

It's like a parent having a loaded gun in the house, telling the kids where it is, and then telling them to never ever touch it.

Its far better to train the kid how to handle the gun safely and tell them why they should never touch it.

Re: In DC and “Radicals” Invade FRC

Scott — Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:11:06 -0000

Typing too fast here Center = Council but you still get the point.

Randy, years ago you wrote a very pointed letter to Coral Ridge regarding rhetoric against the gay community.

Its been mysteriously scrubbed from the web (but can still be found if you look hard enough).

I really think its time you edit the letter and send it off to some of your benefactors.

Re: The Hitchhiker ’ s Guide to the Galaxy - A Movie Review

Scott — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 02:00:00 -0000

So long and thanks for all the fish?

Re: The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy - A Movie Review

Scott — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:11:51 -0000

So long and thanks for all the fish?

Re: Tookie To Die

Scott — Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:12:32 -0000

wow, we actually disagree on different sides.

Tookie had over 20 years of appeals and review. As a taxpayer of California, and somebody who reviewed the case of these murders (and the 4 people he was convicted of killing), I say he's had more than enough time to prove his innocence.

He's costing me tax money, he's seen many appeals and he said some very hateful things against a racial minority while he was killing and robbing them.

Justice is about to be served on this one.

Re: Tookie To Die

Scott — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:00:00 -0000

wow, we actually disagree on different sides.
Tookie had over 20 years of appeals and review. As a taxpayer of California, and somebody who reviewed the case of these murders (and the 4 people he was convicted of killing), I say he's had more than enough time to prove his innocence.
He's costing me tax money, he's seen many appeals and he said some very hateful things against a racial minority while he was killing and robbing them.
Justice is about to be served on this one.

Re: Florida4Marriage.Org Press Conference

Scott — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:00:00 -0000

So when are you getting married Randy?

Re: Florida4Marriage.Org Press Conference

Scott — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:01:01 -0000

So when are you getting married Randy?

Re: Ex-Gay Organization’s Billboards Defaced in St. Louis

Scott — Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:00:00 -0000

Is there any proof that a gay group is behind the vandalism?
I see paint balled billboards all the time for things as silly as Country Crock butter.
Why a press release without any proof?

Re: Ex-Gay Organization’s Billboards Defaced in St. Louis

Scott — Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:02:46 -0000

Is there any proof that a gay group is behind the vandalism?

I see paint balled billboards all the time for things as silly as Country Crock butter.

Why a press release without any proof?

Re: Merry March - Headed to Los Angeles and IN

Scott — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:00:00 -0000

Oh I'd simply love to see you out here, Randy. Are you at BIOLA?

Re: Merry March - Headed to Los Angeles and IN

Scott — Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:02:03 -0000

Oh I'd simply love to see you out here, Randy. Are you at BIOLA?

Re: E-Mail Activism 101

Scott — Wed, 15 Mar 2006 02:00:00 -0000

I appreciate that they don't send bulk messages like the AFA does.
It makes it so much easier for me to contact groups and offer opposing views.

Re: E-Mail Activism 101

Scott — Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:03:14 -0000

I appreciate that they don't send bulk messages like the AFA does.

It makes it so much easier for me to contact groups and offer opposing views.

Re: No to Hate Crimes - Yes to Dignity & Respect

Scott — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:00:00 -0000

By the way, I've researched this quite a bit and hate crimes laws have already been reviewed by the Supreme Court and found to be quite constitutional.
http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/comm/free_spee...

Re: No to Hate Crimes - Yes to Dignity & Respect

Scott — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:35:15 -0000

Interesting post but you never identified who gets "more justice".

If everyone has a sexual orientation, then everyone is covered.

So who's losing here?

Re: No to Hate Crimes - Yes to Dignity & Respect

Scott — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:01:53 -0000

Re: Friday “ Fame ” Factor

Scott — Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:00:00 -0000

After 9 years in radio in Los Angeles, I can't even begin to list the people I've met.
Some were nice, some were cold, I will say that Dawn Wells was one of the nicest people I've ever met in my life.
Keanu Reeves was nice.
Rodney Dangerfield was a jerk.
Tammy Faye Messner (Baker) was seriously THE sweetest person on the planet. I had the pleasure of actually witnessing her talk to Jessica Hahn for the first time ever since the scandal. Tammy was a guest on our show and Jessica, who was a friend of the show called in to apologize. We made headlines with that show (Access Hollywood ran the tape and interviewed us).
I also met ever 90210 kid right when the show was first coming on. They all came to us to promote it. Every single one of them was nice. Luke Perry was a bit quiet but I think it was just because he was more shy than anything else.

Re: Friday “Fame” Factor

Scott — Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:40:17 -0000

After 9 years in radio in Los Angeles, I can't even begin to list the people I've met.

Some were nice, some were cold, I will say that Dawn Wells was one of the nicest people I've ever met in my life.

Keanu Reeves was nice.

Rodney Dangerfield was a jerk.

Tammy Faye Messner (Baker) was seriously THE sweetest person on the planet. I had the pleasure of actually witnessing her talk to Jessica Hahn for the first time ever since the scandal. Tammy was a guest on our show and Jessica, who was a friend of the show called in to apologize. We made headlines with that show (Access Hollywood ran the tape and interviewed us).

I also met ever 90210 kid right when the show was first coming on. They all came to us to promote it. Every single one of them was nice. Luke Perry was a bit quiet but I think it was just because he was more shy than anything else.

Re: Everyday Thoughtcast for May 4, 2006

Scott — Wed, 10 May 2006 03:00:00 -0000

Come on Randy, you love to swim. It's a great pool too with a wonderful patio.
I love mid-century modern houses.
If you're going to come all the way to Palm Springs, I don't want you to miss a thing. I was born there and get there every 6 weeks or so.
If Exodus is coming, I want to make sure to roll out the welcome wagon.

Re: Everyday Thoughtcast for May 4, 2006

Scott — Wed, 10 May 2006 11:03:03 -0000

Randy, like Daniel, I am looking very forward to seeing you in Palm Springs in September.

I spend quite a lot of time out there visiting friends and we're all quite willing to show you how fun the Desert can be.

Re: Everyday Thoughtcast for May 4, 2006

Scott — Wed, 10 May 2006 13:27:21 -0000

Well the Follies is a good start.

More popular with the cotton top crowd but a lot of fun just the same.

I may just throw a pool party/BBQ at the house I stay at.

Of course you're all invited. It'll be around 115 degrees and probably muggy so make sure to bring a suit because its much more comfortable in the pool.

Re: Everyday Thoughtcast for May 4, 2006

Scott — Wed, 10 May 2006 15:43:01 -0000

Come on Randy, you love to swim. It's a great pool too with a wonderful patio.

I love mid-century modern houses.

If you're going to come all the way to Palm Springs, I don't want you to miss a thing. I was born there and get there every 6 weeks or so.

If Exodus is coming, I want to make sure to roll out the welcome wagon.

Re: Monday Open Thread #1 - Fantasmic Style

Scott — Tue, 23 May 2006 03:00:00 -0000

You have to see Fantasmic at Disneyland, it's a much better presentation.
I had the (dis)pleasure of working at Disney for opening night, it was a total nightmare but a great show.

Re: Monday Open Thread #1 - Fantasmic Style

Scott — Tue, 23 May 2006 12:08:59 -0000

You have to see Fantasmic at Disneyland, it's a much better presentation.

I had the (dis)pleasure of working at Disney for opening night, it was a total nightmare but a great show.

Re: Blogswarm Alert - Hastert, Jefferson, FBI and the President

Scott — Thu, 25 May 2006 03:00:00 -0000

I think Jefferson should resign, period.
I also think Hastert is trying to keep precident being set because I have no doubt that there are larger skeletons in Republican closets so if they allow the FBI to investigate Jefferson (a Democrat), it opens the door to all sorts of digging.
I'm all for digging on both sides of the aisle. I've had it with this congress.

Re: Blogswarm Alert - Hastert, Jefferson, FBI and the President

Scott — Thu, 25 May 2006 19:16:40 -0000

I think Jefferson should resign, period.

I also think Hastert is trying to keep precident being set because I have no doubt that there are larger skeletons in Republican closets so if they allow the FBI to investigate Jefferson (a Democrat), it opens the door to all sorts of digging.

I'm all for digging on both sides of the aisle. I've had it with this congress.

Re: The President was 10 feet away

Scott — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 03:00:00 -0000

Yep, it's an election year. Props for being a prop! I noticed that Lou Sheldon was none too happy about the event.

Re: The President was 10 feet away

Scott — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:43:23 -0000

Yep, it's an election year. Props for being a prop! I noticed that Lou Sheldon was none too happy about the event.

Re: Press Conference and Phelpsianites

Scott — Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:00:00 -0000

I have my idea on how to defend marriage. I'd like to see a law passed in several states that reads as follows:
"Marriage in this state shall consist of only a first time married couple excluding the death of a spouse. Any marriage performed that involves a divorced person performed in any other state or territory shall be invalid in this state"
I'd love to see all of you marriage defenders join me in this. Who's with me? Let's defend marriage!

Re: Press Conference and Phelpsianites

Scott — Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:26:27 -0000

I have my idea on how to defend marriage. I'd like to see a law passed in several states that reads as follows:

"Marriage in this state shall consist of only a first time married couple excluding the death of a spouse. Any marriage performed that involves a divorced person performed in any other state or territory shall be invalid in this state"

I'd love to see all of you marriage defenders join me in this. Who's with me? Let's defend marriage!

Re: Worn Out

Scott — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 03:00:00 -0000

Ann basically insulted 9/11 widows (again). It's all over YouTube I think.

Re: Worn Out

Scott — Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:04:13 -0000

Ann basically insulted 9/11 widows (again). It's all over YouTube I think.

Re: Washington DC - Day 3

Scott — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:23:20 -0000

You're right Steve, this amendment would never be ratified by the legislatures of California, New York, Mass., Connecticut, Rhode Island, etc.

However, if it ever did pass, it would only take 38 other states to force their version of morality on the rest of the country. I have a feeling the federal version of this amendment is dead and everyone endorsing it knows this.

Time is definatly against the FMA crowd, polls show it, history shows it, common sense shows it but for now it drives up donations and gives them a hope of holding on to the power they enjoy at the moment.

Re: Washington DC - Day 3

Scott — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 03:00:00 -0000

You're right Steve, this amendment would never be ratified by the legislatures of California, New York, Mass., Connecticut, Rhode Island, etc.
However, if it ever did pass, it would only take 38 other states to force their version of morality on the rest of the country. I have a feeling the federal version of this amendment is dead and everyone endorsing it knows this.
Time is definatly against the FMA crowd, polls show it, history shows it, common sense shows it but for now it drives up donations and gives them a hope of holding on to the power they enjoy at the moment.

Re: Hurripoll

Scott — Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:00 -0000

Lucky (?) for you guys that you at least get a weather service warning that a hurricane is coming.
I don't have that luxury with an earthquake.

Re: Hurripoll

Scott — Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:01:25 -0000

Lucky (?) for you guys that you at least get a weather service warning that a hurricane is coming.

I don't have that luxury with an earthquake.

Re: The Day After Roe v. Wade

Scott — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:00:00 -0000

I don't think the Republican Party wants to see Roe v. Wade fall anytime soon. If it did, it would be a disaster for them.
Fundraising would drop for sure, they wouldn't have something they've been using for 30+ years to divide the electorate and the backlash would be scary for them.
The Roe debate is simple lip service to rally the troops.

Re: The Day After Roe v. Wade

Scott — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:17:38 -0000

I don't think the Republican Party wants to see Roe v. Wade fall anytime soon. If it did, it would be a disaster for them.

Fundraising would drop for sure, they wouldn't have something they've been using for 30+ years to divide the electorate and the backlash would be scary for them.

The Roe debate is simple lip service to rally the troops.

Re: Off to Phoenix

Scott — Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:18:56 -0000

Just you wait until you visit me in Palm Springs in September.

Not only is it around 115, it gets very humid at times. Plus it smells bad if the wind is coming off of the Salton Sea in just the right direction.

Re: Off to Phoenix

Scott — Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:51:36 -0000

It's quite beautiful in the off season. I prefer Spring/Fall.

Summer can be horrible. This time of year it's dry and hot, August/September/October it's hot and humid because of the monsoon season. Storms come in off of the Gulf, blow through Texas/NM/AZ and land in Palm Springs.

No, I don't live there, I live in Long Beach. I just weekend there very often. One of my good friends has a great 3 bedroom vacation home with a pool that he lets me use whenever I want to.

Re: Off to Phoenix

Scott — Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:00:00 -0000

It's quite beautiful in the off season. I prefer Spring/Fall.
Summer can be horrible. This time of year it's dry and hot, August/September/October it's hot and humid because of the monsoon season. Storms come in off of the Gulf, blow through Texas/NM/AZ and land in Palm Springs.
No, I don't live there, I live in Long Beach. I just weekend there very often. One of my good friends has a great 3 bedroom vacation home with a pool that he lets me use whenever I want to.

Re: Fred Phelps ’ god Hates Me

Scott — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:00:00 -0000

I don't think they pretend to dress up their hatred.
Fred has pretty much stated that in public.

Re: Fred Phelps’ god Hates Me

Scott — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:13:03 -0000

I don't think they pretend to dress up their hatred.

Fred has pretty much stated that in public.

Re: New Orleans

Scott — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 01:47:14 -0000

I'm curious. You've used the term "group think" a fair amount of times in your postings on this blog, but you've never showed anyone how you and your ex-gay friends are not involved in the same activity. All I've heard is a monolithic message from all of you (sans any scientific proof).

Also, when you become an ex-gay (celebate, "straight", priest, monk, married spokesperson who gets caught in a gay bar, HIV+ poster boy who gets caught having unsave sex with men, etc.), when do they make you re-register as a Republican?

Does ex-gay mean you're automatically Republican? (no group think there of course)

Are you straight Randy? I know you're not "gay identified" but seriously, when you walk through the mall and you're looking at the crowd, who floats your boat? We all need somebody to love, the question is who makes Randy Thomas complete?

Jesus is a great answer but he's not going to do your laundry or answer his cell phone when you're stranded on the road with a flat.

Seriously, do you really think you'd make your living this way if your family didn't approve?

How much longer can you hang on with this? When your parents are gone do you really think you'll be happy?

You claim to be called to be celebate but either way your parents will never have grand kids from you. So why are you torturing yourself to please them?

By the way, I am SOOOOOOO looking forward to seeing you in Palm Springs. We've been e-mailing and conversing online for more than 3 years now and I really think it's about time.

Daniel, Wayne and I already have a place to stay with a pool and a BBQ and you're still more than welcome to come over for ribs and a refreshing dip in the swimmin' hole.

Re: New Orleans

Scott — Mon, 14 Aug 2006 03:00:00 -0000

I'm curious. You've used the term "group think" a fair amount of times in your postings on this blog, but you've never showed anyone how you and your ex-gay friends are not involved in the same activity. All I've heard is a monolithic message from all of you (sans any scientific proof).
Also, when you become an ex-gay (celebate, "straight", priest, monk, married spokesperson who gets caught in a gay bar, HIV+ poster boy who gets caught having unsave sex with men, etc.), when do they make you re-register as a Republican?
Does ex-gay mean you're automatically Republican? (no group think there of course)
Are you straight Randy? I know you're not "gay identified" but seriously, when you walk through the mall and you're looking at the crowd, who floats your boat? We all need somebody to love, the question is who makes Randy Thomas complete?
Jesus is a great answer but he's not going to do your laundry or answer his cell phone when you're stranded on the road with a flat.
Seriously, do you really think you'd make your living this way if your family didn't approve?
How much longer can you hang on with this? When your parents are gone do you really think you'll be happy?
You claim to be called to be celebate but either way your parents will never have grand kids from you. So why are you torturing yourself to please them?
By the way, I am SOOOOOOO looking forward to seeing you in Palm Springs. We've been e-mailing and conversing online for more than 3 years now and I really think it's about time.
Daniel, Wayne and I already have a place to stay with a pool and a BBQ and you're still more than welcome to come over for ribs and a refreshing dip in the swimmin' hole.

Re: World Magazine Reports Mainstreaming of Homosexuality is Helping Others Find Freedom From It

Scott — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:01:37 -0000

It could probably be argued that a majority of the 60% first time attendees aren't gay themselves, just straight people interested in Exodus for other reasons.

The more out and open gay people are, the more likely people who fear and don't understand gay people would be motivated to attend a conference in hopes of combatting a "homosexual agenda".

Re: World Magazine Reports Mainstreaming of Homosexuality is Helping Others Find Freedom From It

Scott — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:01:37 -0000

It could probably be argued that a majority of the 60% first time attendees aren't gay themselves, just straight people interested in Exodus for other reasons.
The more out and open gay people are, the more likely people who fear and don't understand gay people would be motivated to attend a conference in hopes of combatting a "homosexual agenda".

Re: Hutcherson Family Harassed

Scott — Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:50:11 -0000

Well I'm glad you've heard Ken's testimony, Randy, but it seems to me that most of us haven't.

I don't think jumping into bed with Scott Lively or claiming that he was speaking in Latvia for the White House is something Jesus would have done.

I'm sure he's sincere in his beliefs but I also think he needs to articulate them in a more Christian way.

People don't come to Jesus because of threats (like he's issued against Microsoft) and they sure don't like people who associate with frauds like Scott Lively.

Re: Hutcherson Family Harassed

Scott — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:50:11 -0000

Well I'm glad you've heard Ken's testimony, Randy, but it seems to me that most of us haven't.
I don't think jumping into bed with Scott Lively or claiming that he was speaking in Latvia for the White House is something Jesus would have done.
I'm sure he's sincere in his beliefs but I also think he needs to articulate them in a more Christian way.
People don't come to Jesus because of threats (like he's issued against Microsoft) and they sure don't like people who associate with frauds like Scott Lively.

Re: State Lawmaker: Ban “Gay Talk” from Classroom

Scott — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:14:17 -0000

It's a moot point at the moment. Campfield's bill failed.

Re: State Lawmaker: Ban “Gay Talk” from Classroom

Scott — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 01:14:17 -0000

It's a moot point at the moment. Campfield's bill failed.

Re: State Lawmaker: Ban “Gay Talk” from Classroom

Scott — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:00:40 -0000

Explain "indoctrination" to me if you could.

Re: State Lawmaker: Ban “Gay Talk” from Classroom

Scott — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:56:19 -0000

I know what the word means in the dictionary, however I would like Mike to define for me what he considers "indoctrination".

It strikes me as a scare word, sort of like "agenda". When you explain what concepts are behind the word you are using, a lot of people say "well that doesn't sound so bad".

If a gay teacher happens to mention their partner is that indoctrination?

Is it indoctrination when a straight teacher does the same?

I'd really honestly like to know what concepts are offensive enough to use that particular word.

Re: State Lawmaker: Ban “Gay Talk” from Classroom

Scott — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:00:40 -0000

Explain "indoctrination" to me if you could.

Re: State Lawmaker: Ban “Gay Talk” from Classroom

Scott — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:56:19 -0000

I know what the word means in the dictionary, however I would like Mike to define for me what he considers "indoctrination".
It strikes me as a scare word, sort of like "agenda". When you explain what concepts are behind the word you are using, a lot of people say "well that doesn't sound so bad".
If a gay teacher happens to mention their partner is that indoctrination?
Is it indoctrination when a straight teacher does the same?
I'd really honestly like to know what concepts are offensive enough to use that particular word.

Re: Randy Thomas At The Oscars

Scott — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:00:07 -0000

Betcha he's a liberal!

Re: Randy Thomas At The Oscars

Scott — Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:00:07 -0000

Betcha he's a liberal!

Re: I Want McCain/Lieberman

Scott — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:11:50 -0000

I say go for it. A Lieberman/McCain ticket would energize the base of the Democratic party beyond belief.

Re: I Want McCain/Lieberman

Scott — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:52:40 -0000

The base hates Lieberman. Putting him on the ticket would motivate them even more than they are now to get to the polls.

Both McCain and Lieberman are heavy supporters of a war that 65% of the country wants us out of within the next year.

Do you really think it would be wise for the GOP to put them on the ticket together?

Re: APA: No Consensus On Cause of Homosexuality

Scott — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:16:40 -0000

Phil seemed a bit harsh. However, I know you didn't write that article but do you know why they left out the rest of the information the APA gave?

Re: APA: No Consensus On Cause of Homosexuality

Scott — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:16:40 -0000

Phil seemed a bit harsh. However, I know you didn't write that article but do you know why they left out the rest of the information the APA gave?

Re: Christian Photographer Fined for Refusing Gay Wedding

Scott — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:28:28 -0000

I'm kind of torn on this one. On one hand, anyone who does business in a particular state must follow the rules set forth by the state to have a business license.

If the ADF goes to a higher court and gets the ruling overturned, it sets out a dangerous precident. If the courts throw out the law they wont throw out just the sexual orientation part, they'll throw the whole thing out. Meaning, if another photographer in the future decides that his or her (fill in the blank) faith does not allow them to do business with somebody of another (fill in the blank) faith, it'll be legal for them to do it.

The other half of me says "fine, find another photographer" and publicize why you had to. Leave the court system out of it entirely and let the court of public opinion handle this business owner.

Re: Christian Photographer Fined for Refusing Gay Wedding

Scott — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:19:28 -0000

Well, if you look at the way a lot of spokespeople for the Church have acted in the past, it's not a stretch to think that's what Gloria meant.

I've met Gloria, she's a nice lady and I know she's not a homophobe in the slightest.

However, when somebody says anything remotely Christian to a gay person, the gut instinct is to assume it's going to be negative.

I don't blame people for being gun shy after the treatment they've received over the years.

Heck, there's some woman named Dwayna Litz who's coming to my town in May to evangelize to all the sinners at Gay Pride.

Her marketing ploy is to put up a big banner that says: "GOD LOVES YOU just the way you are" to draw people over to her.
(http://lightingtheway.blogspot.com/2008/03/ltw-...)

Then, after she's tricked people into getting close to her, she's going to let loose with all the anti-gay stuff.

So when Gloria Gaynor says something about leading gays to Christ whether or not she means something anti-gay or something pro-gay, it's not out of the question for gay people to be distrusting from the onset.

Re: Christian Photographer Fined for Refusing Gay Wedding

Scott — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:26:01 -0000

Do you honestly think the ADF wouldn't be all over a lawsuit if some athiest refused to serve a Baptist?

Re: Christian Photographer Fined for Refusing Gay Wedding

Scott — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:23:01 -0000

Well, legally closing your business to observe whatever day you wish is a little different than refusing to serve a particular customer.

If Chick-Fil-A decided not to serve a man wearing a Yalmulke they'd be in a world of hurt for singling out somebody because of his faith. However, closing on Sunday treats anyone with a Sunday chicken jones equally.

Here in CA, there is a chain of coffee places called Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf. Their owners are Kosher and are so strict about it that employees can't even bring in a lunch that doesn't meet Jewish dietary laws. Because the rule they set up treats all employees equally, it isn't an issue.

Re: Christian Photographer Fined for Refusing Gay Wedding

Scott — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:28:28 -0000

I'm kind of torn on this one. On one hand, anyone who does business in a particular state must follow the rules set forth by the state to have a business license.
If the ADF goes to a higher court and gets the ruling overturned, it sets out a dangerous precident. If the courts throw out the law they wont throw out just the sexual orientation part, they'll throw the whole thing out. Meaning, if another photographer in the future decides that his or her (fill in the blank) faith does not allow them to do business with somebody of another (fill in the blank) faith, it'll be legal for them to do it.
The other half of me says "fine, find another photographer" and publicize why you had to. Leave the court system out of it entirely and let the court of public opinion handle this business owner.

Re: Christian Photographer Fined for Refusing Gay Wedding

Scott — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:11:00 -0000

Not in the eyes of certain state laws it isn't. New Mexico has such a law.

There is a reason that the statue of justice (with the scales) has a blindfold on it.

Re: Christian Photographer Fined for Refusing Gay Wedding

Scott — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:19:28 -0000

Well, if you look at the way a lot of spokespeople for the Church have acted in the past, it's not a stretch to think that's what Gloria meant.
I've met Gloria, she's a nice lady and I know she's not a homophobe in the slightest.
However, when somebody says anything remotely Christian to a gay person, the gut instinct is to assume it's going to be negative.
I don't blame people for being gun shy after the treatment they've received over the years.
Heck, there's some woman named Dwayna Litz who's coming to my town in May to evangelize to all the sinners at Gay Pride.
Her marketing ploy is to put up a big banner that says: "GOD LOVES YOU just the way you are" to draw people over to her.
(http://lightingtheway.blogspot.com/2008/03/ltw-...)
Then, after she's tricked people into getting close to her, she's going to let loose with all the anti-gay stuff.
So when Gloria Gaynor says something about leading gays to Christ whether or not she means something anti-gay or something pro-gay, it's not out of the question for gay people to be distrusting from the onset.

Re: Christian Photographer Fined for Refusing Gay Wedding

Scott — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:26:01 -0000

Do you honestly think the ADF wouldn't be all over a lawsuit if some athiest refused to serve a Baptist?

Re: Christian Photographer Fined for Refusing Gay Wedding

Scott — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:23:01 -0000

Well, legally closing your business to observe whatever day you wish is a little different than refusing to serve a particular customer.
If Chick-Fil-A decided not to serve a man wearing a Yalmulke they'd be in a world of hurt for singling out somebody because of his faith. However, closing on Sunday treats anyone with a Sunday chicken jones equally.
Here in CA, there is a chain of coffee places called Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf. Their owners are Kosher and are so strict about it that employees can't even bring in a lunch that doesn't meet Jewish dietary laws. Because the rule they set up treats all employees equally, it isn't an issue.

Re: Christian Photographer Fined for Refusing Gay Wedding

Scott — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:11:00 -0000

Not in the eyes of certain state laws it isn't. New Mexico has such a law.
There is a reason that the statue of justice (with the scales) has a blindfold on it.