DISQUS

Paul Lin??? I totally loved Uncle Arthur.

You are a moron. Anyone who doesn't get the point of that is completely nuts.

Not in the eyes of certain state laws it isn't. New Mexico has such a law.
There is a reason that the statue of justice (with the scales) has a blindfold on it.

Well, legally closing your business to observe whatever day you wish is a little different than refusing to serve a particular customer.
If Chick-Fil-A decided not to serve a man wearing a Yalmulke they'd be in a world of hurt for singling out somebody because of his faith. However, closing on Sunday treats anyone with a Sunday chicken jones equally.
Here in CA, there is a chain of coffee places called Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf. Their owners are Kosher and are so strict about it that employees can't even bring in a lunch that doesn't meet Jewish dietary laws. Because the rule they set up treats all employees equally, it isn't an issue.

Do you honestly think the ADF wouldn't be all over a lawsuit if some athiest refused to serve a Baptist?

Well, if you look at the way a lot of spokespeople for the Church have acted in the past, it's not a stretch to think that's what Gloria meant.
I've met Gloria, she's a nice lady and I know she's not a homophobe in the slightest.
However, when somebody says anything remotely Christian to a gay person, the gut instinct is to assume it's going to be negative.
I don't blame people for being gun shy after the treatment they've received over the years.
Heck, there's some woman named Dwayna Litz who's coming to my town in May to evangelize to all the sinners at Gay Pride.
Her marketing ploy is to put up a big banner that says: "GOD LOVES YOU just the way you are" to draw people over to her.
(http://lightingtheway.blogspot.com/2008/03/ltw-...)
Then, after she's tricked people into getting close to her, she's going to let loose with all the anti-gay stuff.
So when Gloria Gaynor says something about leading gays to Christ whether or not she means something anti-gay or something pro-gay, it's not out of the question for gay people to be distrusting from the onset.

Not in the eyes of certain state laws it isn't. New Mexico has such a law.

There is a reason that the statue of justice (with the scales) has a blindfold on it.

I'm kind of torn on this one. On one hand, anyone who does business in a particular state must follow the rules set forth by the state to have a business license.
If the ADF goes to a higher court and gets the ruling overturned, it sets out a dangerous precident. If the courts throw out the law they wont throw out just the sexual orientation part, they'll throw the whole thing out. Meaning, if another photographer in the future decides that his or her (fill in the blank) faith does not allow them to do business with somebody of another (fill in the blank) faith, it'll be legal for them to do it.
The other half of me says "fine, find another photographer" and publicize why you had to. Leave the court system out of it entirely and let the court of public opinion handle this business owner.

Well, legally closing your business to observe whatever day you wish is a little different than refusing to serve a particular customer.

If Chick-Fil-A decided not to serve a man wearing a Yalmulke they'd be in a world of hurt for singling out somebody because of his faith. However, closing on Sunday treats anyone with a Sunday chicken jones equally.

Here in CA, there is a chain of coffee places called Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf. Their owners are Kosher and are so strict about it that employees can't even bring in a lunch that doesn't meet Jewish dietary laws. Because the rule they set up treats all employees equally, it isn't an issue.

Do you honestly think the ADF wouldn't be all over a lawsuit if some athiest refused to serve a Baptist?

Well, if you look at the way a lot of spokespeople for the Church have acted in the past, it's not a stretch to think that's what Gloria meant.

I've met Gloria, she's a nice lady and I know she's not a homophobe in the slightest.

However, when somebody says anything remotely Christian to a gay person, the gut instinct is to assume it's going to be negative.

I don't blame people for being gun shy after the treatment they've received over the years.

Heck, there's some woman named Dwayna Litz who's coming to my town in May to evangelize to all the sinners at Gay Pride.

Her marketing ploy is to put up a big banner that says: "GOD LOVES YOU just the way you are" to draw people over to her.
(http://lightingtheway.blogspot.com/2008/03/ltw-...)

Then, after she's tricked people into getting close to her, she's going to let loose with all the anti-gay stuff.

So when Gloria Gaynor says something about leading gays to Christ whether or not she means something anti-gay or something pro-gay, it's not out of the question for gay people to be distrusting from the onset.

I'm kind of torn on this one. On one hand, anyone who does business in a particular state must follow the rules set forth by the state to have a business license.

If the ADF goes to a higher court and gets the ruling overturned, it sets out a dangerous precident. If the courts throw out the law they wont throw out just the sexual orientation part, they'll throw the whole thing out. Meaning, if another photographer in the future decides that his or her (fill in the blank) faith does not allow them to do business with somebody of another (fill in the blank) faith, it'll be legal for them to do it.

The other half of me says "fine, find another photographer" and publicize why you had to. Leave the court system out of it entirely and let the court of public opinion handle this business owner.

Phil seemed a bit harsh. However, I know you didn't write that article but do you know why they left out the rest of the information the APA gave?

Phil seemed a bit harsh. However, I know you didn't write that article but do you know why they left out the rest of the information the APA gave?

The base hates Lieberman. Putting him on the ticket would motivate them even more than they are now to get to the polls.

Both McCain and Lieberman are heavy supporters of a war that 65% of the country wants us out of within the next year.

Do you really think it would be wise for the GOP to put them on the ticket together?

I say go for it. A Lieberman/McCain ticket would energize the base of the Democratic party beyond belief.

Betcha he's a liberal!

Betcha he's a liberal!

I know what the word means in the dictionary, however I would like Mike to define for me what he considers "indoctrination".
It strikes me as a scare word, sort of like "agenda". When you explain what concepts are behind the word you are using, a lot of people say "well that doesn't sound so bad".
If a gay teacher happens to mention their partner is that indoctrination?
Is it indoctrination when a straight teacher does the same?
I'd really honestly like to know what concepts are offensive enough to use that particular word.

Explain "indoctrination" to me if you could.

I know what the word means in the dictionary, however I would like Mike to define for me what he considers "indoctrination".

It strikes me as a scare word, sort of like "agenda". When you explain what concepts are behind the word you are using, a lot of people say "well that doesn't sound so bad".

If a gay teacher happens to mention their partner is that indoctrination?

Is it indoctrination when a straight teacher does the same?

I'd really honestly like to know what concepts are offensive enough to use that particular word.

Explain "indoctrination" to me if you could.

It's a moot point at the moment. Campfield's bill failed.

It's a moot point at the moment. Campfield's bill failed.

Well I'm glad you've heard Ken's testimony, Randy, but it seems to me that most of us haven't.
I don't think jumping into bed with Scott Lively or claiming that he was speaking in Latvia for the White House is something Jesus would have done.
I'm sure he's sincere in his beliefs but I also think he needs to articulate them in a more Christian way.
People don't come to Jesus because of threats (like he's issued against Microsoft) and they sure don't like people who associate with frauds like Scott Lively.